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The Arsonist Next Door | 4: The Bait

Thu, 22 May 2025

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The only hope of ending the arson spree for good is to lure the arsonist out of hiding. Law enforcement sets a trap they’re certain he won’t be able to resist. Binge all episodes of The Arsonist Next Door, ad-free today by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access. From serial killer nurses to psychic scammers – The Binge is your home for true crime stories that pull you in and never let go. The Binge – feed your true crime obsession. A Sony Music Entertainment and Novel production. Find out more about The Binge and other podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What is the main premise of the arson investigation?

280.322 - 293.55 Ken Williams

By this point, it's safe to say that James Hibbard is really feeling the heat. I'll never forget a column in the Arizona Republic slamming the interview, which said, the next time this guy burns down a house, it's Hibbard's fault.

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294.05 - 300.174 Trent Crump

Other reporters in town, probably a little bit more law enforcement friendly, were now starting to bash him.

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301.468 - 321.12 James Hibbard (Reporter)

Rival newspaper, the Arizona Republic, published an editorial that said, quote, if you meet with an egocentric fire starter, you become part of his gang. You not only spread his message for him, you let him walk away, Zippo in hand. In the face of all this, the pressure on James begins to take a toll.

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323.504 - 341.333 Ken Williams

Every morning I would wake up with this pit in my stomach, this dread of wondering if he burned down another house, if he hurt someone during the night. Because if that happened, look, I would still be able to defend what I did professionally, but privately as a human being, you know, I would have felt horrible.

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342.438 - 365.902 James Hibbard (Reporter)

This experience had a lasting impact on James. He was blamed from all sides for prolonging the arson investigation. But looking back on it now, it's clear that that's not really what happened. Because back at the task force HQ, investigators are starting to see a silver lining in James's interview. Was there anything in that article that helped you guys?

366.482 - 369.623 Rob Handy

Oh yeah. There were things in there that we felt were probably truthful.

370.293 - 373.014 Trent Crump

The more information you have, the better off you probably are.

373.734 - 375.254 Rob Handy

We dissected every word of that article.

376.454 - 392.057 James Hibbard (Reporter)

And there is a lot to dissect. The arsonist told James that he's a management professional with an advanced degree. He has a healthy income and works in downtown Phoenix. Plus, the whole piece is littered with James' impressions of the guy.

Chapter 2: How does James Hibbard's interview affect the investigation?

882.547 - 884.287 Unknown Speaker

I don't know who came up with that concept.

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884.627 - 893.43 Rob Handy

But whoever did, it was a great idea. We started penciling it out on a whiteboard. How does this look? What can we do? All of us felt like this has got a good chance of working.

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894.11 - 902.76 James Hibbard (Reporter)

The idea is this. stage a fake construction site and see if they can get the arsonist to come to them.

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903.501 - 912.507 Trent Crump

Let's rent some heavy equipment. Let's get a sign going. We need a property, we need fencing, we need this, we need that. Let's make this thing look like a construction site.

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913.166 - 931.498 James Hibbard (Reporter)

— In the aftermath of James Hibbard's interview, with CSP's line about that second Lee Benson fire being personal, they know exactly where to set this thing up. Just around the corner from Lee Benson's house, one of the neighbors has offered to help. He owns an undeveloped lot just around the corner from Lee.

932.138 - 937.442 James Hibbard (Reporter)

This neighbor agrees to let the task force stage the beginnings of a construction site on his property.

937.462 - 942.385 Rob Handy

— While we were doing that, the tech people at the FBI were setting up surveillance cameras in the desert for us.

942.947 - 949.653 James Hibbard (Reporter)

They also set up a big metal shipping container in the desert close by with monitors to watch the surveillance footage live.

950.054 - 959.503 Rob Handy

Cameras that were transmitted over the cell frequency then were very new and they weren't real advanced. So we had to have people sit in these connex boxes and watch cameras all night, every night.

Chapter 3: What ethical dilemmas does James face as a journalist?

1146.221 - 1154.043 James Hibbard (Reporter)

After all those false leads, countless dead ends, and who knows how many sleepless nights, Rob feels like things are really starting to fall apart.

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1154.622 - 1165.525 Rob Handy

We were missing important things. And in hindsight, that was my fault. At the time, I didn't realize that. I was mad at everybody else. I just said, how many more ways can we fuck this thing up?

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1166.005 - 1167.045 Trent Crump

And I said, hey, it's only 9.30, Rob.

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1167.145 - 1174.587 Rob Handy

And I said, what? And he said, there's infinite ways we can F this thing up. And then everybody laughed, and the whole temperature came down.

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1175.834 - 1192.71 James Hibbard (Reporter)

The team takes a couple days to recover, and then they regroup. They're hopeful that with a few adjustments, they can lure the arsonist back to the construction site again. So the cameras stay up, and now they're pointing in the direction of the fake construction site.

1193.571 - 1195.974 Rob Handy

Several weeks went by, no activity on the cameras.

1196.761 - 1213.179 James Hibbard (Reporter)

After monitoring the cameras for weeks, at considerable expense, Rob and his team are beginning to lose hope. They're just about ready to take the whole operation down and try something else. But before they move on, they've got one last idea up their sleeve.

1214.901 - 1217.985 Rob Handy

We decided to come up with a sign to try to entice him again.

1218.775 - 1227.044 James Hibbard (Reporter)

a sign with a big colorful drawing of a gaudy mansion, just to make it super clear exactly what type of house would be going up on this property.

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