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Ep. 2148 - The Epstein File Release FIASCO

Fri, 28 Feb 2025

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The Trump administration announces the imminent release of new Epstein files…only to tell us nothing new; President Trump dissociates from the release of the Tate brothers; and Keir Starmer visits the White House. Click here to join the member-exclusive portion of my show: https://bit.ly/3WDjgHE Ep.2148 - - - Facts Don’t Care About Your Feelings - - - DailyWire+: Join us for Backstage Live, March 4, at 8:30 PM Eastern—we’ll watch President Trump address Congress, then stay tuned for unfiltered, no-BS reactions you won’t get anywhere else. Watch at https://dailywire.com Now is the time to join the fight. Watch the hit movies, documentaries, and series reshaping our culture. Go to https://dailywire.com/subscribe today. Get your Ben Shapiro merch here: https://bit.ly/3TAu2cw - - - Today's Sponsors: PureTalk - Switch to PureTalk and start saving today! Visit https://PureTalk.com/SHAPIRO Balance of Nature - Go to https://balanceofnature.com and use promo code SHAPIRO for 35% off your first order as a preferred customer, PLUS get a free bottle of Fiber and Spice Tax Network USA - For a complimentary consultation, call today at 1 (800) 958-1000 or visit their website at https://TNUSA.com/SHAPIRO The Candle Club - Find my exclusive collection at The Candle Club: https://bit.ly/3EWprzL - - - Socials: Follow on Twitter: https://bit.ly/3cXUn53 Follow on Instagram: https://bit.ly/3QtuibJ Follow on Facebook: https://bit.ly/3TTirqd Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3RPyBiB

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this episode?

0.389 - 20.24 Ben Shapiro

Folks, we have a jam-packed show for you here today. Vivek Ramaswamy will be joining us later to talk about his Ohio gubernatorial run. We're going to do like a full breakdown of the Oscars. I made a full breakdown. I actually slogged through virtually all of the Best Picture nominees on your behalf. So we'll go through all of those and we'll get to everything related to Ukraine and Doge.

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20.38 - 39.772 Ben Shapiro

But we begin today with... Basically what appeared to be some sort of Geraldo Rivera reveal of the Epstein files. Y'all remember that episode of Geraldo Rivera in which he tried to open Al Capone's vault and then he did and there was nothing inside? Well, it was basically that. And this has led to a bunch of speculation that secretly somewhere the Epstein files are still there.

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40.313 - 58.392 Ben Shapiro

And that actually the lack of justification for more material being out there is demonstrated by the lack of material. This sort of stuff is annoying. I want all the Epstein files out there. Every single bit of it. All of it. As much unredacted as humanly possible. The only parts, theoretically, that should be redacted are things to protect the victims.

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58.612 - 77.695 Ben Shapiro

Certainly nothing to protect the allegations against perpetrators. I want to know exactly who Jeffrey Epstein was, who was opping him, because the question of how he made his money is a serious question, and why he was basically allowed by law enforcement to gallivant around performing atrocities against young women on behalf of powerful men.

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78.396 - 94.603 Ben Shapiro

with his girlfriend, Paramore, and co-conspirator Ghislaine Maxwell and all the rest of this. But that did not happen yesterday. And I got to say, I think that these distractions are really not great for the Trump administration. They're really not. The Trump administration has very serious work. I keep saying this because it's important.

95.524 - 119.013 Ben Shapiro

I want the Trump administration to be highly successful, and there are important things to do. We need to rebuild the American economy and unleash its dynamism. We need to get our debt under control. We need to cleanse DEI from all aspects of the federal government. We need to reshape America's foreign policy around rising threats like China. There's tons to do and not a lot of time to do it.

119.613 - 137.597 Ben Shapiro

And so these sorts of shiny object distractions that don't materialize into anything, I think that they are a problem. And I think that, again, they lend credence to the opponents of the Trump administration, which I don't want to happen. Well, yesterday was kind of a bleep show, frankly, when it came to the Epstein file. Basically, it is now Friday.

137.757 - 150.543 Ben Shapiro

On Wednesday, Pam Bondi, the attorney general of the United States, had announced that she would be releasing some new Epstein files, that there would be new files showing names that we hadn't seen before, materials that we hadn't seen before. Here she was explaining.

152.024 - 158.827 Jesse Waters

You said last week that you have the Epstein files on your desk. When can we see them and what's taking so long to release them?

Chapter 2: Why was the Epstein file release considered a fiasco?

335.242 - 353.005 Ben Shapiro

I want the answers the same as you. And unlike the JFK assassination, where, by the way, it was Lee Harvey Oswald, unlike the JFK assassination, where there's a plethora of video, forensic, and documentary evidence available, in the Epstein case, we really don't know what the hell happened. We still don't know any of the key questions. Who was running him if he was an op?

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353.446 - 368.815 Ben Shapiro

What exactly he was doing? Who are the people on the island? What kind of tapes he had? All those are unanswered. So I understand why there is so much dyspepsia over the Epstein case. But if you're going to do a reveal, that means you better have some goods, right? Something better come out. And it didn't come out yesterday. And I think people are right to be angry about it.

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370.136 - 384.362 Ben Shapiro

I think that it is bizarre to release it to social media influencers as opposed to releasing it to many journalists. I'm not talking about journalists on the left. I'm talking about journalists on the right. I mean, the Washington Free Beacon has a bunch of excellent investigative journalists. We at The Daily Wire have investigative journalists.

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384.382 - 402.785 Ben Shapiro

We have like people who we hire, who we pay to actually go through documents at a legal granular level to do this sort of stuff. Or you could just release all of it online and have us all peruse it. I mean, that would be the best way to do this is so that we could all see it. The kind of release strategy was weird. And then when it turned out there was nothing in it, then the repercussions began.

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403.725 - 422.621 Ben Shapiro

So the repercussions began with a letter from Attorney General Pam Bondi to Kash Patel over at the FBI. And now Pambandi is claiming that Kash Patel is essentially having the wool pulled over his eyes by underlings who may be getting rid of documents. Again, I'd love to see the evidence of this. If that's true, that's a criminal offense.

422.641 - 436.153 Ben Shapiro

I mean, destroying relevant criminal documents would be a criminal offense and people should go to jail for it. So if we're going to make those sorts of allegations, you shouldn't just throw them out there. Short a letter saying, quote, Dear Director Patel, before you came into office, I requested the full and complete files related to Jeffrey Epstein.

436.513 - 450.661 Ben Shapiro

In response to this request, I received approximately 200 pages of documents, which consisted primarily of flight logs, Epstein's list of contacts, and a list of victims' names and phone numbers. I repeatedly questioned whether this was the full set of documents responsive to my request and was repeatedly assured by the FBI we'd received the full set of documents.

451.181 - 464.509 Ben Shapiro

Late yesterday, I learned from a source the FBI field office in New York was in possession of thousands of pages of documents related to the investigation and indictment of Epstein. Despite my repeated requests, the FBI never disclosed the existence of these files. When you and I spoke yesterday, you were just as surprised as I was to learn this new information.

464.529 - 480.921 Ben Shapiro

So this is her saying, someone, someone out there in FBI land is covering things up. It's not your fault, Cash. It's not my fault, AG Pambondi. It is the fault of these unspecified members of the New York office of the FBI who are destroying documents or hiding things, which again, Criminal offense. People should go to jail if that is true.

Chapter 3: What was the involvement of social media influencers in the Epstein file release?

2359.07 - 2367.374 Vivek Ramaswamy

And that's one way where I hope to set the standard for the rest of the country, the Ohio standard, we could call it, for the way the rest of the states, I think, need to catch up as well.

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2367.754 - 2384.063 Ben Shapiro

Vic, one thing that's distinguished you from a lot of other Republicans is your focus on economic dynamism, on innovation. That's a really important thing for the Republican Party. It's also a really important thing for the Midwest. There's sort of been this model that's been applied by really a lot of sort of blue governors in the Midwest that's regulate and subsidize, regulate and subsidize.

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2384.643 - 2401.212 Ben Shapiro

You heavily regulate and then you subsidize all of your political friends with taxpayer dollars. And somehow this is supposed to bring jobs back or spur particular friendly industries. And what you're talking about is something different, which is take the shackles off of American industry in places like Ohio, and you will get naturally an incredible level of growth.

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2402.112 - 2420.44 Vivek Ramaswamy

That's exactly right. And I say that the reason to flash and burn the regulatory state and over bureaucratization and regulation and taxation isn't because that's a more important objective than standing for American workers and manufacturers. It is because it is the best way to lift up American workers and manufacturers. And

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2420.6 - 2439.77 Vivek Ramaswamy

And I'm keen to make sure that our Republican Party doesn't make some of the mistakes as Democrats have made in these blue states in the Midwest as well. The right answer isn't to foster greater dependence on the government and justify that with a new victimhood culture. The right answer is to find a path to independence from the government. That's actually true compassion.

2440.171 - 2460.069 Vivek Ramaswamy

That's not cruelty, that's compassion. Things like work requirements for Medicaid, for welfare. That's even in the long run been good for the people who receive it. It's not good to be dependent on the government permanently in this handout welfare state that leads to depression, anxiety, fentanyl, suicide, opioid usage, as we've seen in so much of this part of the country.

2460.489 - 2468.358 Vivek Ramaswamy

And so it's really good for nobody. And the left has made that mistake for years, and we've been good at calling that out, and we should, and we've won. We won decisively in November.

2468.999 - 2482.804 Vivek Ramaswamy

I think for that victory to mean what it should in the long run, I think we in the Republican Party, in the conservative movement, in the pro-American movement, owe it to ourselves to stick to the principles that made America great the first time around.

2483.324 - 2499.195 Vivek Ramaswamy

And there I see President Trump doing a great job in Washington, D.C., downsizing that federal government, taking aim at the tax rates, taking aim at the type of things that have held back the American economy. But we got to stay true to that North Star rather than getting distracted in other directions, I would just say.

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