Something You Should Know
When to Take a Risk or Play it Safe & Why You Need More Muscle
Mon, 14 Apr 2025
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Chapter 1: Why do airplanes still have ashtrays despite smoking bans?
Chapter 2: Can airplane doors be opened mid-flight and what do wing lights signify?
But over time, they have a mix of good and bad meals, and they drop the duds, and they add the good new one into the rotation. And so as a result, their ratings creep up over time. So exploring...
pays off in the long term but we kind of know we kind of have the realization that it comes with a risk and it means that sometimes we're going to get worse results so you may you may decide to go somewhere new on vacation and you realize that by taking a chance that you may end up with a crummy vacation so it's natural to feel that um that that worry or that that resistance to exploring.
And I think, you know, one solution is to try and zoom out at rather than thinking about how am I going to enjoy this week? It's like, will I be glad in a year or, you know, in a year from now that I took a chance and maybe discovered something that will make my future vacations even better.
So I imagine everybody has heard this idea that, you know, people on their deathbed say, That looking back, they wished they had taken more risks. They wished they had asked that girl out. They wished they had taken that job in that other place or that they had explored a little more. You know, I don't know if that's true or not.
I think we have an intuition about that, right? You look back and you say, boy, I wish I'd asked her to dance more likely than you are to be worrying about, oh, I can't believe I asked her to dance and she said no. The things we did that didn't turn out don't generally stick with us as much as the things that might have been.
The scientists who study decision theory and who try to understand what is the optimal way of making decisions They have an approach. It's called the upper confidence bound algorithm, which is a complicated name. But the basic advice that they come up with based on the mathematics is that you should make decisions based on what has the best realistic upside.
What has the chance of turning out really well? If you're choosing between a job that's stable but kind of boring and not what you're interested in, Versus the job that maybe is a little more uncertain, maybe has a lower starting salary, but has a pathway towards your dream job. Their advice is, you know, all else being equal, take a chance on the job that has the bigger upside. Because...
Again, to your point, when you're sitting on your deathbed, or even a year or five years from now, you're going to look back and say, boy, I'm glad I took a chance on something that had a great possibility of paying off, even if it didn't work out, compared to never knowing whether it might have worked out.
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Chapter 3: When should you take a risk versus playing it safe in daily life?
There's always that wondering about the road not taken. No matter what you do, you didn't do that other thing, and I wonder what if I had.
That's the human condition. We can't split ourselves in two and know how both options would have turned out. So I think the advice is to choose optimistically, to go for the thing that you think will be best, recognizing that A, it might not turn out, and B, you'll never know if you had chosen the other path. Maybe it would have turned out to be great, but this is the human condition.
So it does seem, and I think I put myself in this category of, I don't want to look back and wonder what if. I don't want to regret. I've got plenty of those that I don't want to keep doing that. And so avoiding regret drives a lot of the decisions I make. And I imagine a lot of people are like that.
If we want to think in terms of minimizing regret, which believe it or not, mathematicians have a definition of regret, which is the difference between basically what you got and what you could have got if you had a crystal ball and have been able to make perfect decisions. To minimize regret, you do best if you choose optimistically, if you're more willing to take a chance.
Not a reckless chance, not a, oh, if I invest all my money in lottery tickets, there's a chance I might be a billionaire. That's not a good decision. But when there's a realistic chance of a good upside, if you're in a position that you can make that gamble without exposing yourself to terrible problems, it's probably a good idea to give it a shot.
Because who doesn't have one of those regrets, whether it was, you know, the high school dance or whatever. One of those, if only I had asked her out or if only I had gone to that thing. And you'll never know. So you'll always regret it. And if you had to do it over, you probably would do different.
Yeah, and we will always have those regrets. It would be impossible to live a life with none of those regrets. But boy, if you can try out some of those things after all, I think in general, you're happy you did, even if it puts you through a little bit of awkwardness or some uncertainty in the moment.
But in the research of looking how people make these decisions, What about personality? I mean, there do seem to be some people who are very cautious, and the stress of trying something new might be overwhelming, and maybe they're better getting that same old hamburger at the restaurant.
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Chapter 4: What is the explore-exploit dilemma and how does it affect our decisions?
Yeah, I mean, this goes back in part to what we were talking about earlier with the idea of an explorer's gene, that some people really are wired to enjoy uncertainty and novelty more than others. And there's also, I think, we have to recognize that even within a given individual. I'm very exploratory in some aspects, and I like my routines in other parts of my life.
And so there are times, depending on the context, where I might be more exploratory. And the example that springs to mind for me is, There's all this research on when should you take a parking spot versus... This is part of the exploring research. When should you grab the parking spot you see versus keep driving towards your destination and hope you get a parking spot that's closer to you?
And you can do all these sophisticated calculations about, well, how many... What is the rate of empty parking spots? How far are you from the destination? But for me... I hate parallel parking under pressure with cars behind me, and I don't mind walking.
So if I see a parking spot that's really wide and I can go in front ways rather than backing into it, I take it, and I don't care what the math says. And to your point, that's my anxiety about parallel parking that makes it worth taking what I've got rather than gambling that there'll be something better down the road.
So we're talking about our desire to explore and try new things versus our tendency to want to just stick with the tried and true. My guest is Alex Hutchinson. He's author of a book called The Explorer's Gene. Why we seek big challenges, new flavors and the blank spots on the map.
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Chapter 5: How does regret influence our willingness to take chances?
If you invest in R&D, three years later, you're still not sure whether the product's going to pan out. You don't know whether it's going to be success or failure. So the feedback is less direct. And I think that applies in personal lives, too, that taking a chance, we don't always know as clearly. We don't see the effects right away.
Whereas sticking with what you know, you know what you're going to get, and you get this positive feedback. So that leads us maybe to... to not learn as well as we should about those times when we took a chance and it paid off. So I think it requires sort of being aware of that and stopping and thinking, okay, what are the things that were meaningful in my life?
What are the decisions I made that I'm really happy I did? If you ask me to list the five best decisions I made, do I look back and say, I'm really glad I just stuck with the tried and true and didn't try out this other thing? I think for most people, that's not the case.
As I listen to you talk, I wonder, psychologically, what is it that makes somebody want to be more of an explorer versus somebody who wants to not explore so much? And even within the same person, some days you want to try something different on the menu, and some days you just want to go with what you know you like.
You know, there's an area that I found really interesting in psychology called the effort paradox. Because when we talk about exploring, we often end up telling these tales of, you know, explorers who crossed the ocean or whatever, and three quarters of them died of starvation, and it's very hard.
And even in our own conversation right today, we've been talking about exploration, but we've been talking about taking a risk and the possibility of failure.
And so there's a tendency, I think, to think about exploration or about the challenges we might face as a price you have to pay for the occasional, for the payoff that, yeah, it's going to be hard if I try and do this thing, but, you know, there's a chance it's going to lead to something good. So it's worth putting up with the difficulty.
And what the effort paradox says is that's the wrong way to think about it. That in fact, if something is hard, if running a marathon or climbing a mountain is hard and That's actually part of the attraction. We do it because it's challenging, because the feeling of doing something challenging makes it feel meaningful to us.
And so that is a different way of thinking about the challenge, that we shouldn't run away from things that are hard, but we should realize that whether it's running a marathon or whether it's having kids or whether it's buying furniture from Ikea, sometimes doing things that are hard actually is kind of the point and is what makes it feel good.
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Chapter 6: What psychological factors influence our tendency to explore or stick to routines?
I think we can answer that on a few different levels. And I think if we go deep enough, what we're really saying is that Being curious about the unknown, always wanting to know what's around the next corner or what's over the horizon has been good for us as a species, that it's helped us to survive. It's helped us to find new resources and figure out better ways of doing things.
So we explore fundamentally because it helps us learn about the world. Now, when I'm on vacation, I'm not necessarily like, I really need to know what's around that corner so I can learn about the world and propagate the species. I... over time we've evolved so that exploring feels good.
It feels fun to resolve, to find an area that I don't know something about, to find an area of uncertainty and to resolve that uncertainty, to learn about the world. So I think in the modern sense, in the proximate sense, we're driven by curiosity because it's fun, because it feels good, because we enjoy it.
But the underlying reason is because that's a good thing for a species to have is the desire to learn about the world.
And is there therefore some evolutionary deep satisfaction that exploring gives you because it's kind of worked its way into us or no?
I think so. And I think, you know, When I talked to one of the psychologists who works on the effort paradox about this, we got into talking about the meaning in life, which is a heavy topic, right? And so I was like, I don't know what meaning is. What does it mean to say that something is meaningful?
And he said, well, when you ask people whether an activity like having kids or going on a trip or something... They can't articulate what they mean by meaningful, but they can answer whether something was meaningful or not. And I think meaning is, it's a big word, it's a heavy word, and it's a very imprecise and hard to define word.
It's something that we get from undertaking adventures and explorations and opportunities to discover new things that we don't get necessarily from sitting on the sofa and watching a documentary about someone else going and having an adventure.
Well, that is really interesting that people know what's meaningful, but they can't tell you what it is. But they know what it is, but it's unspeakable.
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Chapter 7: What drives human curiosity and the desire to explore?
If I was to generalize, I would say no, I don't think people think about this a lot. Even when I started to dig into this literature and the science and ask people about it, There are some scientists in the world who are thinking very carefully about it, but most people, they say they're not analyzing their decisions.
People, especially as we get into adulthood, and we're all busy and we're all trying to pay the bills and take care of the family and all that. In a sense, we're trying to minimize decision fatigue. It takes some energy to stop and think about, why am I making this decision? Is this the right decision?
Am I considering what could be if I did something different, or am I just trying to get through the day? It's understandable, but I think a little more introspection on how and why we make our decisions is probably a good thing.
Lastly, anything else about this whole idea of exploring that you think people would be fascinated to know?
You know, I think there's a bunch of research on how exploring changes across the lifespan. And we naturally explore less as we get older, and that makes sense, because we know more about the world, so we don't need to explore as much, and we... have less time left to enjoy it, to be brutally frank about it.
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Chapter 8: Why do challenging experiences feel meaningful to us?
There's less value in discovering something new at my age than there was when I was eight years old and would have had an extra four decades to enjoy whatever that thing is. So there's a tendency to kind of accept this slide of this gradual decrease of exploration that makes sense. One of the researchers I spoke to, I asked a lot of researchers, like, should we be trying to explore more?
And he said, you know, this decline in exploration is natural. But what you have to remember is that unlike a million years ago when we were evolving, if you're 60 years old, you've probably got a good, you know, and if you're lucky enough to be healthy, you've got a good two or three decades more of living and enjoying things.
So you need to still be exploring because we live a long time now and we have the opportunity to keep discovering new things. So that's a message that really struck home for me.
Well, I find this helpful because sometimes I think I play it too safe. And then other times I think, why did I do that? That seemed pretty risky at the time. But everybody's different, and not everybody is the same in all situations, and it's really good to get this perspective from you. Alex Hutchinson has been my guest.
He's a columnist for Outside Magazine, and he's author of the book The Explorer's Gene, Why We Seek Big Challenges, New Flavors, and the Blank Spots on the Map. If you'd like to read his book, there's a link to it at Amazon in the show notes. Thanks, Alex.
Thank you, Mike. I really appreciate you having me on.
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