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Something You Should Know

What Your Doctor Doesn’t Tell You & How to Unlock Your True Voice

Thu, 03 Apr 2025

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Online retailers make it pretty easy to return items you purchase if you are not satisfied. But what happens to those items? Are they just put back in the system and sold to someone else? This episode begins with the surprising answer. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/30/business/online-shopping-returns-liquidators/index.html Just because you can get a medical test for something you are concerned about doesn’t mean you should. That’s according to my guest Dr. Suzanne O’Sullivan. She is a consultant neurologist and clinical neurophysiologist and author of the book The Age of Diagnosis: How Our Obsession with Medical Labels Is Making Us Sicker (https://amzn.to/41Re7Or) . Listen as she explains how medical tests can cause undue anxiety and lead you down a rabbit hole of worry that may be unwarranted. Just because you have a symptom doesn't always mean it needs a diagnosis and treatment. You talk to people all day long. Are you good at it? Do you consider yourself a strong verbal communicator? For those of us who are not 100% confident in how we speak, I have Michael Chad Hoeppner in this episode with some great suggestions to improve your verbal skills. He is a communications expert who has coached presidential candidates, CEOs, and Ivy League deans. He is author of the book Don’t Say Um: How to Communicate Effectively to Live a Better Life (https://amzn.to/441pK6I). On the front of every man’s suit or sport jacket, there are buttons. So which ones do you button and which ones do you leave open – and when? Listen and you will hear what Esquire magazine has to say on the topic. https://www.esquire.com/style/mens-fashion/advice/a33367/how-to-button-suit-jacket/ PLEASE SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS!!! FACTOR: Eat smart with Factor! Get 50% off at https://FactorMeals.com/something50off TIMELINE: Get 10% off your order of Mitopure!  Go to https://Timeline.com/SOMETHING INDEED: Get a $75 sponsored job credit to get your jobs more visibility at https://Indeed.com/SOMETHING right now! SHOPIFY:  Nobody does selling better than Shopify! Sign up for a $1 per-month trial period at https://Shopify.com/sysk and upgrade your selling today! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What happens to returned online purchases?

03:48 - 04:14 Mike Carruthers

They even pay for the return shipping sometimes. And you might think those items are just repackaged and resold to someone else. And that does happen sometimes. To be sure, Amazon, Target, and Walmart resell a portion of return products themselves. Amazon has Amazon Warehouse, a marketplace for used and refurbished products. Similarly, Walmart lists refurbished electronics on its website.

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04:15 - 04:41 Mike Carruthers

and sometimes resells return products in its store's clearance section. But in many cases, the math just doesn't make sense to repackage and relist those items. So a lot of those items are sent to liquidation warehouses, which then resell those items to smaller retailers to resell to other consumers. But what surprised me is that a lot of stuff just gets thrown out and ends up in a landfill.

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04:41 - 05:07 Mike Carruthers

There are some interesting reasons for that. For example, the product might be discontinued. The store doesn't even sell that product anymore. Or it isn't cost-effective to repackage and resell it to anyone. One estimate is that 25% or more of returned items get tossed out and end up in a landfill, and stuff like inexpensive clothes and returned underwear all fall in that category.

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05:08 - 05:33 Mike Carruthers

And that is something you should know. There is an assumption, I think, when it comes to your health care, that if something seems wrong, you should have it looked at so you can get a diagnosis. Because early diagnosis of an illness is a good thing. It allows you to treat something early, and just generally getting an early diagnosis is always better.

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00:00 - 00:00 Mike Carruthers

Well, maybe, but there is another side to that coin, as you're about to hear, from Dr. Suzanne O'Sullivan. She is a consultant neurologist and clinical neurophysiologist and author of three previous books. She has a new one out called The Age of Diagnosis, How Our Obsession with Medical Labels is Making Us Sicker. Hey doctor, welcome to Something You Should Know. Thanks for having me.

00:00 - 00:00 Mike Carruthers

So I think it's widely believed, it's conventional wisdom, that early diagnosis is a good thing. So explain this alternate view you have.

00:00 - 00:00 Dr. Suzanne O'Sullivan

Yeah, so I think that there's some fairly sort of there's some received wisdom, which is that earlier diagnosis are always for the better. If you catch a diagnosis early, you'll promote long term health. You know that the more health conditions you recognise, the more treatment you give, the more you promote long term health of the population.

00:00 - 00:00 Dr. Suzanne O'Sullivan

And those assumptions, you know, they make a huge amount of sense. One can understand why we think that way. However, when we look at the statistics of diagnosis, we see something that suggests those assumptions may actually be quite problematic. So for several decades now, we've really been focused on diagnosing lots of things at earlier stages.

00:00 - 00:00 Dr. Suzanne O'Sullivan

So, for example, we have screening programmes for cancer. that detect very early cancers. We have screening programs for learning problems that are detecting milder forms of problems like autism and ADHD. Now, if the assumption that early diagnosis and recognizing mild conditions was to our benefit was correct, We should be seeing the downstream effects of all that improved diagnosis.

Chapter 2: Should you always get medical tests for symptoms?

09:44 - 09:57 Dr. Suzanne O'Sullivan

So we did not know for a very, very long time what the inside of the healthy body looked like. We were not able to genetically test mass numbers of people until the last 10 years. So what we have is...

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09:59 - 10:28 Dr. Suzanne O'Sullivan

sort of we've got all these new types of technology that allow us look inside the healthy body in a way that we never have before and we're detecting things that were always there that we didn't know were there so for example if you look at autism studies of people you will often find that they have small abnormal cells that didn't progress there was a study in detroit of men and they found that 45 of men in their 50s had prostate cancer at the time of death

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10:28 - 10:46 Dr. Suzanne O'Sullivan

their deaths were for things other than prostate cancer and that those numbers were substantially higher as men got older. So huge numbers of men have early cancer cells that never caused them in their prostate, that never caused them health problems. We didn't know about them because we didn't have the means to look for them.

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10:46 - 11:06 Dr. Suzanne O'Sullivan

So now that we're finding them, we're kind of acting on the assumption that all of them will progress because we simply don't have the knowledge base yet to know what factors make cancer cells grow in some people, but they don't grow in other people. How do you tell a serious cell that will progress from one that doesn't? So these cells have always been there.

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00:00 - 00:00 Dr. Suzanne O'Sullivan

And the difference now is we have the technology and the ability to see them.

00:00 - 00:00 Mike Carruthers

So I get that. That's really interesting. And I've heard, too, that there are many men, as they age, get prostate cancer and that many men die with it, but far fewer men die of it. That it's just there because you live long enough, you're going to get it.

00:00 - 00:00 Dr. Suzanne O'Sullivan

Precisely. And, you know, a lot of countries don't do prostate screening because of the problems of overdiagnosis of prostate cancer. So some estimates would be that if you screen a thousand men for prostate cancer, you won't save any lives, but you will over-treat 10 to 20 men for prostate cancer who didn't need treatment because these abnormal cells in the prostate are so common.

00:00 - 00:00 Dr. Suzanne O'Sullivan

The difficulty is that if a man presents for screening of his prostate and abnormal cells are found, how is he to react to that? Because it's very frightening to learn that you have abnormal cells. And there are watchful waiting programmes that suggest we don't have to overreact when this sort of thing is found.

00:00 - 00:00 Dr. Suzanne O'Sullivan

But that can be very hard to do on an individual level if you don't know ahead of time that these things exist.

Chapter 3: Can early cancer diagnosis sometimes be harmful?

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00:00 - 00:00 Mike Carruthers

So, doctor, I think there's this general perception that if you have something wrong, if something doesn't seem right or you see something or feel something, the advice is go to the doctor, get it checked out. And the underlying assumption there is so you know what it is, what the diagnosis is, and therefore you can treat it. But then you also hear doctors say things like,

00:00 - 00:00 Mike Carruthers

Well, we'll keep our eye on it. And I don't like that. That sounds very noncommittal, very vague. I don't want to keep my eye on it. I want to fix it.

00:00 - 00:00 Dr. Suzanne O'Sullivan

Well, I mean, with regard to sort of if somebody notices a symptom and goes to the doctor, we do. You know, I'm certainly not advocating that they don't do that. The distinction I'm making is between us as a scientific and medical community seeking out patients who are asymptomatic. So I'm talking about asymptomatic cancers and asymptomatic hypertension patients. and asymptomatic prediabetes.

00:00 - 00:00 Dr. Suzanne O'Sullivan

If we work really hard to try and find loads of asymptomatic people at risk of problems, we overdiagnose. But obviously, symptomatic disease is a completely different thing that does need to be taken more seriously. However...

00:00 - 00:00 Dr. Suzanne O'Sullivan

When it comes to things that come to a doctor and how one should approach that, very often the time is a better answer to medical problems than bunches of scans and loads of blood tests. You know, medicine and diagnosis is still a clinical art. Tests need to be put into a clinical perspective.

Chapter 4: Why might overdiagnosis be a problem in healthcare?

25:38 - 25:58 Dr. Suzanne O'Sullivan

Feeling a need to label things immediately to satisfy the patient isn't necessarily the best type of medicine. And very often, things disappear. I'm sure you already know this, but doctors don't have the answer to everything. We don't know what causes every ache and pain. We don't know why people go through various transient symptoms.

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25:59 - 26:07 Dr. Suzanne O'Sullivan

Once we've ruled out through the history and examination anything serious, often the safest strategy is just a series of meetings and time to think.

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26:08 - 26:29 Mike Carruthers

This is a part of medicine that I don't think people think much about, that sometimes having too much information is a problem and a lot of this we're just not that good at yet. I've been speaking with Dr. Suzanne O'Sullivan. She is a neurologist and author of the book, The Age of Diagnosis, How Our Obsession with Medical Labels is Making Us Sicker.

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26:30 - 26:37 Mike Carruthers

And there's a link to her book at Amazon in the show notes. Dr. O'Sullivan, thank you for explaining all this, making it much clearer.

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