Shawn Ryan Show
#188 Leigh & Robert Bortins - Why Parents Are Ditching Public Schools for Homeschooling
03 Apr 2025
Leigh Bortins is the founder of Classical Conversations, a global homeschooling program rooted in classical, Christian education. With degrees in aerospace engineering and ministry, she blends analytical rigor with deep educational vision. A mother of four and grandmother of three, Leigh’s passion for home education began with homeschooling her own children. She’s authored several books—including The Core, The Question, and The Conversation—that guide parents through the classical trivium. Robert Bortins, CEO of Classical Conversations, was homeschooled by Leigh and now leads the organization with a bold vision for educational reform. A mechanical engineering graduate and entrepreneur, Robert champions faith-based, family-led learning, helping over 125,000 students across 50 states and 30 countries thrive through critical thinking and community. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: https://ShawnLikesGold.com | 855-936-GOLD https://AmericanFinancing.net/SRS | NMLS 182334, nmlsconsumeraccess.org https://trueclassic.com/SRS Upgrade your wardrobe and save on @trueclassic at trueclassic.com/SRS ! #trueclassicpod https://ZipRecruiter.com/SRS https://ExpressVPN.com/SRS https://hometitlelock.com/SRS Go to https://hometitlelock.com/srs and use promo code SRS to get a FREE title history report so you can find out if you’re already a victim AND 14 days of protection for FREE! And make sure to check out the Million Dollar TripleLock protection details when you get there! Exclusions apply. For details visit https://hometitlelock.com/warranty https://Hillsdale.edu/SRS https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/SRS | Download the app today and use code SRS Classical Conversations Links: Special Offer For SRS - https://info.classicalconversations.com/shawnryan Classical Conversations - www.classicalconversations.com Leigh’s Website - https://leighbortins.com Robert’s Website - Robertbortins.com Podcast - www.Refiningrhetoric.com X - https://x.com/TheRobertBshow Education Independence - https://chooseeducationindependence.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Horace Mann was the primary evangelist for the public school system. He wanted to get rid of Christianity, and he wanted to get rid of individualism and capitalism.
Over the last hundred years of state education, parenting's kind of been drummed out of us. And the UN, since the 1930s when it got to be big after the war, has the same agenda as Horace Mann because the UN wants this voucher system to occur because they knew with the shekels come the shackles.
Lee and Robert Bordens, welcome to the show.
Thanks for having us. Yeah, Sean, thanks for having us.
I've been looking forward to this for a while. So we were kind of talking off camera just a little bit, but I've been really looking forward to this. My wife and I have little ones, and it seems like every day we're trying to decide what we're going to do with the schooling. Are we going to do public school? Are we going to do private school? Are we going to do homeschool? And I think both of us,
Well, I don't think. I know both of us lean way more towards the homeschooling. We have a lot of friends that do homeschooling, and where we live here seems to be somewhat of a homeschool mecca. But it's also kind of a...
it's kind of a daunting task, you know, it's, it's maybe not, it's intimidating, you know, the, it's intimidating to us, the, the time commitment, the socialization, are we going to do it right? All those kinds of things. And so, So anyways, my wife and I, she never sits in on interviews. This is the first one ever she's sitting in on because we're so interested in this.
So I just want to say to both of you, thank you for coming. And like I said, we've really been looking forward to this conversation. So I appreciate it.
Yeah, I'm glad to be here. And you brought up the issues that people want us to address all the time. So it's kind of universal that over the last hundred years of state education, parenting's kind of been drummed out of us. And the confidence that I can teach you reading, writing, arithmetic, that it doesn't take an expert to do it, I mean, just isn't there anymore in our culture.
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