302 | Chris Kempes on the Biophysics of Evolution
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Sean Carroll's Mindscape: Science, Society, Philosophy, Culture, Arts, and Ideas
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Welcome to the Mindscape Podcast. I'm your host, Sean Carroll. Have you all heard about the centimeter-long bacterium? I had not heard about this until this podcast, as you will discover, but just a couple years ago, scientists found a kind of bacterium called Thiomargarita magnifica, which can grow up to a centimeter in length, okay? It's a tiny little tube-like thing, so it's not a spherical centimeter-long thing, but That's very creepy to me. I don't want any centimeter-long bacteria climbing around anywhere near where I am. And I bring this up because I did – Chris Kempis, today's guest, introduced me to the possibility during this podcast. I had never heard about it. But it shows sort of two sides of a certain coin for a bacterium that is about the size of a coin. One is what we will be talking about in the podcast are the existence and usefulness of physical constraints on biological organisms and their evolution. So biological organisms are embedded in the physical world.
They obey the laws of physics, and therefore they need to use good old sensible, allowed physical mechanisms to survive, to metabolize, to eat, to move, all of these things. it should be unsurprising that the existence of the laws of physics will provide constraints on what kind of architectures and morphologies and sizes are allowed in the realm of living organisms. And of course, you can apply this idea, you can actually do it quite quantitatively and specifically, to simple organisms like bacteria. And under some very reasonable assumptions, you can derive the smallest size of a bacterium possible and the largest size of a bacterium possible. And these thio margarita guys are way larger than the largest size possible.
Of course, that turns out because they violate some of the assumptions you made. They're actually not like one big blob. They're almost like sausage links kinds of things glued together to make a long tube to grow to that centimeter size. But it's both an illustration to me of the power of physical constraints in biology because you can't do anything. You got to obey the laws of physics, but also the cleverness of biology and figuring out ways around what you thought were physical constraints. So in today's conversation, we're talking to Chris Kempis, who is a faculty member at the Santa Fe Institute, a biophysicist, I think that's safe to say, or a physical biologist, maybe. And the theme running through Chris's work is applying these physical constraints to life in all of its forms. So starting from viruses to bacteria, but we will also be talking about the transition from prokaryotes to eukaryotes, right? The existence of nuclei and other substructures in cells that are characteristic of eukaryotic life.
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