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S31 E5: The blip | The Banned Teacher

Fri, 10 Jan 2025

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The desk in Jeanie McKay’s teenage bedroom had 56 notches: one for every time she had sexual intercourse with her music teacher. It would become evidence years later, when Walker was found guilty of professional misconduct and banned from teaching. During his statement, he referred to his former student as a “blip.”

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Chapter 1: What happened in Jeanie McKay's teenage bedroom?

548.794 - 556.878 Jeannie McKay

And he'd be drinking alongside of us, and we'd all be rip-roaring and driving, of course, back to band practice.

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557.458 - 563.661 Julie Ireton

At this point, the teacher was in his early 30s, twice Jeannie's age. his third school in four years.

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564.161 - 570.443 Jeannie McKay

He would then be sharing the rude literature in the back in the band room, like the storage room.

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571.143 - 572.863 Julie Ireton

He was showing them Penthouse magazine.

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573.564 - 590.789 Jeannie McKay

And it was just really, really risque. And so the inner circles got smaller and smaller until he was certain he could make moves on people. And he'd be very, very touchy-feely, huggy with all the girls and all buddy-buddy with the guys.

591.669 - 596.692 Julie Ireton

One night after band practice, she remembers the teacher gave the girls a special send-off.

613.43 - 613.67 Jeannie McKay

Yeah.

Chapter 2: How did Jeannie keep track of her experiences?

614.23 - 637.71 Jeannie McKay

And it was just so exciting. It was just so grown up. And we were so young. It was so naive, so very innocent. And it was, you look back and you realize that's so inappropriate. And at the time it was just so cool. He was able to really twist your thoughts.

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638.791 - 647.276 Julie Ireton

Jeannie now sees the progression. Drinking, pornography, suggestive comments, French kisses, then sex.

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649.097 - 662.124 Jeannie McKay

I remember realizing that if I wanted that, it was possible. And so, yeah, that happened. Mm-hmm.

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664.976 - 673.68 Julie Ireton

It was after a band practice, the Royals. The Royal Regiment of Canada Band, the same one he had taken Anne-Marie to a couple years earlier.

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674.36 - 700.415 Jeannie McKay

And we went parking in his car down, I think it was as the waterfront area was being developed. And we ended up making out in his back seat. And that's when it happened the very first time. Yeah. Yeah. What a, what a hideous human to take advantage because there I was a young, you know, hormonal kid.

701.416 - 724.957 Julie Ireton

She wasn't equipped to see it then, but she now realizes she was groomed. He provided dinners, drinks. There was special treatment during class and after school. Sex often happened in the back of a car. It was routine and continued for two years. Jeannie now knows the teacher kept her away from those who might have condemned it or reported what was happening.

726.138 - 744.988 Jeannie McKay

He would control people with absolute sarcasm. And it turned out, sadly, it turns out that he was controlling my brother that way too, to try and prevent him from telling anybody. And I didn't really learn much about this until recently.

745.789 - 753.433 Julie Ireton

Her younger brother was also in the Markham school band. He died a few years ago. Jeannie now sees it all so clearly.

755.014 - 783.184 Jeannie McKay

It's creepy. It's really creepy. Yeah. I had a circle of people that I hung with that I was friends with. But I didn't have a bosom buddy by any stretch. Didn't have a boyfriend. Didn't have those kinds of relationships that... That would have maybe made it harder for him to get to me because we would have talked about it and maybe a parent would have found out.

Chapter 3: What evidence became crucial against the banned teacher?

2652.745 - 2667.396 Unknown

Wednesday, May 14th, 1980. Mr. Walker is coming on strong. He keeps saying stuff like, oh, you should hear about the dream I had about you, or sometimes it's really hard to hold back. Some of the stuff he says really scares me, though.

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2668.497 - 2672.3 Julie Ireton

This gets bigger than either Anne-Marie or Jeannie ever imagined.

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2678.729 - 2683.471 Anne-Marie Robinson

I think his whole teaching career was blippity blip blip, blip after another, right?

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2684.392 - 2691.755 Unknown

And then he said to me, I don't care what anybody thinks and kissed in front of like all the rest of the band members that were there.

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2691.775 - 2703.02 Unknown

I think that's one of the many things I learned after finding other victims is how out in the open it was. Everybody knew everything that was going on, but nobody did anything.

2705.802 - 2730.542 Julie Ireton

The Band Teacher is investigated, reported, written, and hosted by me, Julie Ireton. Alison Cook is the story and script editor, producer, sound designer, and mixer. Felice Chin is our executive producer and story editor. Eve Saint-Laurent is our legal advisor. Thanks to CBC senior producer Liz Hoth for recording the interview of Jeannie McKay and helping with logistics in British Columbia.

2731.102 - 2757.451 Julie Ireton

Jennifer Chen, Amanda Pfeffer, and Jen White provided valuable production advice. Special thanks to the folks at CBC Podcasts for their support. And the managing editor of CBC Ottawa is Drake Fenton. If you want to binge the whole series, subscribe to CBC True Crime Premium on Apple Podcasts. Just click on the link in the show description or binge listen for free by logging in to CBC Listen.

2762.27 - 2772.618 Julie Ireton

If you or someone you know has been sexually abused, community resources can help. Reach out to a trusted person, sexual assault centre or rape crisis centre in your area.

2780.143 - 2784.987 Unknown

For more CBC Podcasts, go to cbc.ca slash podcasts.

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