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“They Want CHAOS In The Streets"– Ron Paul On Empire Collapse, Censorship & The WAR On Liberty | PBD Podcast | Ep . 565
Mon, 24 Mar 2025
Dr. Ron Paul joins Patrick Bet-David for a powerful discussion on government overreach, economic collapse, Libertarianism, and the fight for freedom. They dive into inflation, the Federal Reserve, Trump, Musk, and the future of America in a rapidly changing world.-----👕 GET THE LATEST VT MERCH: https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": https://bit.ly/41rtEV4📰 VTNEWS.AI: https://bit.ly/3OExClZ🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: https://bit.ly/4g57zR2💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time!ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.
Chapter 1: What is Ron Paul's perspective on government intervention?
What you're talking about is so little. This is a big problem and you think you're going to change things?
Congressman Paul.
Why don't we just open up the Constitution and read it?
Do you think President Trump and Musk are making progress in shrinking the government today?
I am not expecting the budget deficit to shrink this year nor the next year because there's too many people who have become dependent on it. So there'll be an emergency this year, believe me.
Has the enemy of the state changed and evolved from what it was in the 70s, 80s, 90s to who it is today?
The people that run our universities are not on our side. The education of our founding fathers is unbelievable. And there were no universities to brainwash them.
If the situation and the scenario happened that you're claiming, to get it to the levels that you'd like it to get to, it's a massive disruption to the system, no?
The damage has already been done. Bubbles have to burst. You better be prepared because that would probably cause a civil war.
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Chapter 2: Are Trump and Musk making progress in government reduction?
Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. A handshake is better than anything I ever saw. It's right here.
My son drives that. I don't think I've ever said this before. Today we have somebody who has developed, and he may not even know it, I'm sure he does, thousands of disciples of his because of what he's taught over the years.
And every time he speaks, I was just sharing a story with Dr. Ron Paul earlier about what you and I, the first time we sat down together in Houston, and that stuck with me till today. It's an honor again to have you on the podcast, Dr. Ron Paul. How are you doing, sir?
Thank you very much, Patrick. Good to be with you again.
It's great to have you on here. So question, with everything that's going on right now, with all the policies that we're seeing, where you're seeing the deals happening with the Panama Canal and BlackRock, or Doge, Elon talking about the $100 billion in savings, or the tariff wars between Canada and China and U.S.
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Chapter 3: How does Ron Paul view the current economic and moral state?
and Mexico, with everything that is taking place, what are you most excited about and optimistic about, and what are you most concerned about?
Oh, boy. You know, the individual issues that you mentioned are secondary for me to the philosophy that motivates people to do things. So if somebody is a socialist or somebody is a libertarian, who motivated them? What have they read? Who has influenced your ideas? So I think right now what we're facing basically is the late recognition of how much trouble we're in.
And, of course, they're once again saying, well, yeah, there's too much cover. We have to cut waste, fraud, and abuse. Well, I've heard those terms all the time over the years. Nothing really happened. But I think this time it's different because it's bigger. There's sort of a conclusive end coming because of the bankruptcy.
And I used to talk about, well, there's a moral bankruptcy and a financial bankruptcy. And I would talk mostly financial because I was more interested in the monetary system and the debt.
But lately, I think I have been moved, not that I think there's a big difference between it because you can't separate the two, but I think the moral bankruptcy is what exists and has existed throughout all of history, good versus evil and the whole thing about natural law versus government law and all these things. These are the big pictures And where do people fit in on this?
I try to simplify and say, well, are you an interventionist or not? And I can talk to you about where you want to intervene. Oh, yeah, I want to intervene and do this and that. Well, my view is that we as individuals, and especially if you're in government, you should be a non-interventionist other than to deal with people who are aggressive and causing trouble.
for telling people how to live, what to do, how to spend their money, how to draft kids and send them around and start wars and without declaration, all this stuff. There's a lot of interventionists. And guess who I think it is? I think there's just only two parties you ought to worry about, Republicans and Democrats, because they accept these principles.
But that doesn't mean I can't see the difference. And in some places, you know, there definitely is a better movement. They all talk about now, oh, you've got to cut the spending, cut the spending. But I think it's coming to a climactic end. I think $36 trillion or something. And then I hear schemes like, oh, all we have to do is buy a couple of crypto, and they're going to go up in value.
We're going to pay off the national debt. Well, that's just grabbing at straws on solving the problem, because the problem is a moral approach to committing oneself to non-aggression. I'm not going to use force. But everything government does is the use of force, and that has to be designed. There will be some force. We have a national defense and things like this.
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Chapter 4: What are the foundational principles of Libertarianism according to Ron Paul?
That's endorsing 100% of the principle that they should be involved in either some type of social program that's helping the very wealthy, the pharmaceuticals or the military-industrial complex. So once you commit to that principle, then we're in trouble. But if you're looking for one item,
I mean, I go back to the item that motivated me to get involved in the details of it, and I would think that if you didn't have this privilege of the very few people who are involved to be able to create the worldwide reserve currency, the dollar, and that would be our Federal Reserve, I mean, that's how everything is paid for. And that is the most immoral thing in the world because it's a debt.
I mean, it's a tax. It's a tax. It's a wicked tack on the middle class and the poor because they print the money, devalue the currency, and that is a tax, a tax on the people. And they try to balance this. And we just had a meeting this week with the Fed, and they're talking about technicality. oh, this and that and that. And none of that is possible. You can't know those things in economics.
And so I just get a biggest charge or disgust, too, with all the talk about, what should interest rates be? Ron, what would you do? What would you do with interest rates? Well, I wouldn't try to, you know, decide, because the interest rate is so important. It tells you the price of money and whether the activities that the people are participating in are wise decisions or not.
So I think it's that big picture that I want to see, and I would still go if you had the one thing. Some people ask me this, and I'll say, well, this has changed. One law, the Federal Reserve cannot buy government debt. And because they buy the debt, there's a guarantee, and we're wealthy and all that.
I also recognize that if I was there and I did that and no more government purchase of debt, you better be prepared because that would probably cause a civil war.
Do you think the philosophies of the libertarian—you would still consider yourself a libertarian today, yes? Would you consider yourself a libertarian?
Yeah, I use the word, but there are ways to qualify. Even within the Libertarian Party, there are libertarian-leaning type or conservative-leaning. Yes, but I still call it libertarians is the best term that I use, although because some people think that's a negative term. I frequently will use freedom and liberty, but libertarian, as soon as they put the IAN on there,
People are saying, oh, you're just a libertarian. So I use it. But I know if you said, do I call myself a libertarian? I do.
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Chapter 5: Can the U.S. government structure handle Libertarian philosophies?
I think it's wonderful that young people will look at it that way, but it's terrible. I still think it can be boiled down to what was readily apparent through all of history of natural law and government law. Even before we had civilization, there were a lot of rules. The main rules of natural law, you can't lie, cheat, steal, or kill. That's been known from way back.
That was even before they had printing presses. They knew those were the laws. They were done perfectly. But as a natural law, people know that, and they know it now, but they overcome it by justification. Oh, but we need it. Somebody is going to be poor, and they won't have any food. Yeah, I am convinced that
If you want to have the maximum amount of peace and prosperity, you want to have the most minimum amount of government, because there's this tendency that people who accept the idea that you can use force and not be something that's immoral, they would go ahead and do it. So that's why governments grow, and you can't shrink them. They will end themselves, just like the war is ending.
So you said governments grow and you can't shrink them? I don't really. Do you think President Trump and Musk are making progress in shrinking the government today?
I think what they're doing philosophically and calling all this to our attention is the most important because it's already, look at the resistance they're getting. And so, yes, you could have something here and there. But the approach right now, I said, well, maybe it'll work with the Department of Education. It isn't to just shrink it. It's that
get it out of the federal government, at least that would be moving in one direction, and put it all on the states and say, oh, wouldn't there be terrible education and all this? And I just don't buy into that. I think the bigger it is, the more centralized it is. And if you can't do it at the city level, you go to the state level. They think that doesn't work because there's too much corruption.
So they go to the federal government. Oh, then they go to the UN and NATO and say, well, the world is too complex. You can't let people make those kind of decisions. We have to have smart people go to these international organizations and sort things out. All it does is lead to the bad guys taking over.
I think what Musk is doing is great, but I see it as an educational thing because, quite frankly,
uh i am not expecting that budget uh deficit to shrink this year nor the next year because there's too many people who have become dependent on it they they want they want it and there'll be some pain and suffering and that's the where the real problem is so you think it's going to take a couple years nothing 2025 and nothing 2026 no budget cuts
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Chapter 6: How has public awareness shifted on issues like war and economics?
And we're still participating in wars all over the world. And we say, well, yeah, but no Americans died. But our bombs are killing people, whether it's in Ukraine or the Middle East or Yemen. It's all our bombs. And that's a moral issue because the people sit by and say, I don't even know where Yemen is. I don't care. and I want to know whether my Social Security check is coming.
So that's going to exist, and that's not going to go away. But I think the philosophy of a lot of people outside our university system, whether it's the Mises Institute or the other various groups, because there's a lot of good groups, I think that... I think there's a big positive thing.
When I went to, even in the last two or three decades, when I went to Congress in 1976, I mean, they looked at me and they never, what are you doing? You're... two of you up there voting. You're voting with a radical left-wing person.
But they didn't understand the philosophy of liberty and why, if you're going to have liberty, you can't have it in one area, social-sexualism, but not in economic things. And I think that philosophy is alive and well. And when I go to college campuses, and the ones I went to campaign, I was excited about what is there and is still there.
And I think you even mentioned a positive thing when we started. There's a lot of people, and I don't hardly understand it, because there's a lot of people still talking about some of those issues I talked about 10 years ago. So I'm very optimistic about that, but realistic about about was this an easy battle? No, it is not.
The reason why I said are you optimistic is because you said you're going to see there's going to be an epidemic or there's going to be something that someone's going to need money for us to print money. Florida, you said, watch, there's going to be a situation for us to spend money. That's what you're saying, right?
Because that'll keep coming and that'll keep being our problem. And I don't think non-interventionism is far enough along to stop all that because we're too slow. We finally stopped wars like Vietnam. We finally stopped COVID. But we need to stop that before they start. The founders understood it.
How do you do that?
Well, I think probably read the education of our founding fathers. It's unbelievable. And there were no universities to brainwash them, basically. And they also took—they didn't have the system. They didn't go to government schools. But, boy, I'll tell you what, I am impressed with the education they achieved. And historically, they do something about it.
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