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"There’s A Second Bullet" – OpenAI Whistleblower's Parents REVEAL New Evidence & Autopsy BOMBSHELL | PBD Podcast | Ep. 567
Wed, 26 Mar 2025
Patrick Bet-David interviews Poornima Ramarao and Balaji Ramamurthy, the parents of OpenAI whistleblower Suchir Balaji, who was found dead under suspicious circumstances. They share Suchir's life story, the details of his case, and shocking new evidence that brings into question the official narrative of Suchir's death. A powerful conversation on AI ethics and accountability.------👕 GET THE LATEST VT MERCH: https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": https://bit.ly/41rtEV4📰 VTNEWS.AI: https://bit.ly/3OExClZ🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: https://bit.ly/4g57zR2💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time!ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.
Chapter 1: What is the official story behind Suchir Balaji's death?
Wait, the cops are talking to each other saying this is a homicide scene?
It looks like a homicide scene. The most strangest thing is that officer who comes, goes inside the crime scene, touches his gun box, everything with bare hands without any gloves. He's already contaminated the crime scene.
I can't imagine you don't want to talk about this to anybody because you constantly relive in it. You want to find out exactly what happened because you want justice.
Who's against him? Who would kill him? Why?
In the AI space right now, it's extremely competitive. It's like the Oklahoma land rush times a thousand. Everybody wants to own the AI revolution.
The only person in his life ever Suchir was not happy about was Sam Altman. So Suchir knew something.
Wow. Okay. I think if this technology goes wrong, it can go quite wrong.
People who are suicidal, they become isolated. Everybody who he went with said he was happy. He didn't show any signs of depression. He was not withdrawn. I was always hoping that I will talk to people about my son's accomplishments. But unfortunately, he did become famous through a tragic death.
But the fact is, they have ignored there is one more door in the back and that doesn't have the camera. Anyone could come in easily.
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Chapter 2: What new evidence have Suchir Balaji's parents discovered?
Is he still with OpenAI? No, he left. He's also left.
He left.
But he doesn't want to talk to anybody.
I believe instead of blaming something, I would think he's busy with his own startup. He just started SSI, his own startup. He's probably very busy with it. If he knows, he might be open to talk. But one thing which I shared in Tucker's interview as well, December 15th or so, when he went to an AI summit or some conference, Ilya had security guards around him, armed gunmen around him. Why?
He's scared of his life. Why is that? Who is against him? Who would kill him? Why?
Well, you know, one could argue and say, you know, in the AI space right now, it's extremely competitive. People are recruiting each other. And it's like the Oklahoma land rush times a thousand. Everybody wants to own the AI revolution that is taking place. So, you know, and I'm sure it's not the safest situation to be, especially when you have that kind of content and information.
So how much time did your son spend time with him, the chief scientist?
I think it's one of his assignments, maybe a few months, a year or so. Suchir worked on different assignments. First assignment was web GPT research paper. That might be working closely with Ilya. And then he worked on feeding the training data. That is the most frustrating experience for him. And then he tuned up the chat GPT and made it work very efficiently and faster.
That's a significant contribution by Suchir.
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Chapter 4: How did Suchir Balaji's career evolve at OpenAI?
Yeah, we got the official CT scan images. We requested them release the CT scan images. Then we have an overseas consultant doctor. We shared with him. And he exposed all these things. Then what we wanted to do is we wanted to confirm from two other doctors in US. We have the information from two other radiologists. And these people haven't seen any of the autopsy pictures.
They don't know anything. We just gave the autopsy. We just gave the CT scan and asked them to give an opinion.
What conclusion did they come up with?
They came up with, radiologists said there are two potentially. I would not say, they say, but I still want to take my words. Be very cautious because credibility of what we say will be lost. This is not something we are saying, but corresponding to what the radiologists say, I've shared a picture of tongue. A tongue has abrasions all along the side and the tongue has a hole in the center.
Go back to it. Oh, I'll put that picture you're trying to get up. Go ahead. Yeah.
Yeah. Why would there be a hole in the tongue? Why there are perforations and abrasions on the edge of the tongue?
The tongue shows extensive laceration and discoloration over the margins. By the way, this is very tough to watch. If you're watching this, you can't see what we're looking at. It's very disturbing to watch. With a centralized, nearly oval-shaped defect at the distal of... So what are they saying this reveals to you?
This looks like a hole in the center, right? The blue circle is made and the edges are abrasions or the wound injuries. How can, if a gun is shot here, right? This is the bullet. How can the tongue have a hole? How can there be abrasions? We're looking for answers. We're not coming to any conclusions yet. We want FBI to investigate and we're looking for answers. Why there is wound?
Why the cheekbone is broken? You can imagine like what we have gone through. Why the cheekbone is broken? They haven't mentioned that in their autopsy report. What level of cover-up is this? Is this incompetence? Is it negligence? Is it on purpose? We don't know.
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Chapter 7: What are the implications of the alleged second bullet evidence?
What I did was I took the Venmo receipts of how many times Suchir has met his friends over the period. Tons of times he's met with them. I checked his Google mail. And there are tons of strangers he's meeting as well. That was the last conversation I had with Suchir.
are you meeting any strangers because we believe in astrology my sister pointed out until December 15th there is kind of like there are some signs that you know he should be careful I told him you know what it shows like in isolation or in hospital something grave like that are you meeting any strangers He said, yes, of course, I'm meeting strangers.
I told him to keep low profile till December 15th. And he writes in his journal, my mom said, I'm going to do that.
He writes in his journal that mom told me to keep low profile until December 15th.
Yes.
Wow. Okay. So you're calling, two rings, and then hangs up, goes to message, okay? And then at this point, this is now November 23rd, right? The next day. So what happens next after that? At what point do you get... Because I'm assuming your relationship as a mother, when you call your son, he's calling you back fairly instantly. It's not like he's going to take his time to call you back.
Always. You know, if he's outdoor packing or biking or something, then he calls back in the evening when he gets back home. All day he didn't call me today. Then I wasn't really worried. Our usual call time is Saturday morning, 11 o'clock or 12 o'clock or Sunday. This has been going on since he started at Berkeley. So next morning, 12.15, I called him.
next day he didn't answer i started that time i was really anxious because whole day i haven't heard from him there has been tons of emails and again i sent another message email message usually what happens is if he doesn't pick up the phone because he's busy my email always gets response and i sent him a email no response i left a voicemail no response by evening my anxiety grew very high
Then Monday, what I did was I went and knocked on his door.
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