Not Gonna Lie with Kylie Kelce
Kylie & Michelle Obama on Prom at The White House, Destined Girl Dads & Roster Height Lies | Ep. 15
Thu, 20 Mar 2025
Kylie’s back for a brand new episode of Not Gonna Lie presented by Liquid Death and starts things off by reacting to the news of NGL winning its first-ever award for “Best Emerging Podcast” at the 2025 iHeartPodcast Awards (1:44). Then, Kylie gets into the realities of late pregnancy and the most popular at-home labor induction methods based on a TikTok she doomscrolled upon (2:45). Plus, it’s a doomscroll double feature because a photo of baby Kylie, all 12 lbs 1 oz of her, has resurfaced and Kylie shares her theory on second kids being built “sturdy” (5:35). After that, Kylie debuts a new segment tentatively called “Charity and Yap” until Queen Emma thinks of something better. Kylie shares that she and Jason have something very special up for auction at this year’s 2025 Night of Too Many Stars event benefiting the NEXT For Autism organization (8:45). Kylie’s then joined by the woman she claims she may have the “least business” talking to in the entire world, former First Lady, Michelle Obama (13:10). Kylie asks Mrs. Obama about her brand new podcast “IMO” that she hosts with her brother Craig Robinson and why they wanted to start the show together. Mrs. Obama and Kylie then get into the benefits of being a girl dad (19:52) and the realities of raising teenage daughters at The White House (21:20). Mrs. Obama talks about the importance of making sure her daughters were prepared for the world once they moved out and what it was like when they were doing regular teen things like learning to drive and going to parties. Kylie shares how much she appreciated Mrs. Obama’s “Let’s Move” campaign and asks her about partnering with the NFL on it, the changes to school lunches that resulted from it and why that cause was initially so important to her (28:47). Lastly, since they’re both exactly 5’11”, Kylie asks Michelle Obama about her feelings on growing up as a tall girl and the two of them bond over guys lying about their heights in their dating years and now being proud to wear heels (36:40). As always, make sure you tune into More Sh*t Monday on the Not Gonna Lie YouTube channel for exclusive clips from Kylie’s longer conversation with Michelle Obama. . . . Support the Show: Liquid Death: Go to http://liquiddeath.com/kylie for $2 off any 2 six-packs! Liquid Death is available nationwide anywhere you shop for water or iced tea Michelle Obama’s new podcast “IMO” is available now on YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts! Donate to NEXT For AUTISM: https://nextforautism.org/ ‘Night of Too Many Stars’ Tickets: https://www.ticketmaster.com/night-of-too-many-stars-benefits-new-york-new-york-03-31-2025/event/3B00616FE4A61D78?CAMEFROM=cfc_beacontheatre_EML_PRE_241209_3650239&utm_campaign=241210_BT_NOTMS_PRE&utm_medium=eml&utm_source=sfmc Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What award did 'Not Gonna Lie' recently win?
Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie, Wave Original, brought to you by Liquid Death. Yep, sounds scary. It's not. It's just the most outstanding hydration in a crisp can. Nice and cool. They also have iced teas. Just saying. I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey. I'm tall. I'm an Aries. I'm pretty sure. And I'm officially a minivan driver. Yep. It happened. Do I look pleased? It's actually a really smooth ride.
And the girls are so excited about the fact that the doors open without anyone touching them. And they can climb in and out by themselves. The positivity surrounding it is annoying. Including my own. I don't want to talk about it. I'm not ready. Whatever. Whatever. Coming up on today's episode, I was inspired by a TikTok that perfectly sums up being 38 weeks pregnant.
So I'm going to share my personal late pregnancy challenges in Doom Scroll of the Week. Then I'm going to be joined by someone I may just have the least business talking to in the entire world. The former first lady, Michelle Obama. We also have some NGL Award news. Not Gonna Lie has officially won Best Emerging Podcast at the iHeart Podcast Awards. You see, I told you guys to vote for Caleb.
But thank you so much. I am honored. I will say as much as I was rooting for Caleb, Our whole team at Not Gonna Lie and Wave, they deserve this recognition. So this is not a me thing. This is my team thing. Queen Emma, Queen Nicole, Greg, Brad, they're the people who won this award. So I really... Yeah, it's them. It's not me. I'm just the talking head.
Chapter 2: What are the realities of late pregnancy according to Kylie?
Moving on, this week I doom-scrolled my way to the perfect TikTok that sums up what it's really like to be 38 weeks pregnant. And as someone who is currently right in that area, let's just say this hits. From John Hartman1 on TikTok, Queen Emma, roll the clip.
I just cut my underwear off. That's perfectly logical.
First of all, he thought he was doing something by trying to expose her and her really honestly smart and logical decision. Okay. He thought that he was going to be like, Oh people, this is absurd. And I haven't got, I didn't dive into those comments, but I'm going to let you know my own comments. Power to you, girl.
You can always get another pair of underwear, but the idea of having to bend over to get it down past your knees, we're not doing some wiggle nonsense to get them down without really getting them over your knees, right? There have been some ridiculous times that I've had during pregnancy that are similar to this. I can't say that I've ever cut off my underwear.
But I have had times where I will disappear and come back in like a robe or a dress and Jason will be like, why did you just change your clothes? And I have to explain to him that the feeling of anything touching my belly is in a restrictive way, AKA a band from pants or underwear is too much to bear. This is also right around the time as women that we start Googling ways to induce labor.
That's right. I've said it multiple times to anyone that I've spoken to. I'm doing sprints next week. You can't stop me. Fortunately for all the listeners, I have asked my OBs about the most common methods, stuff like drinking herbal teas, eating dates, acupuncture, spicy food. Oh, how I wish. I will say my OBs have explicitly told me no castor oil.
So if that comes up on your induction suggestions, the ways to induce labor at home, opt out. I'm going to tell you the reason I was told not to do that. Very simple. A simple explanation. I'm not going to get into it. You know what I mean. I was told it makes labor messy. Ain't nobody got time for that. We're not doing that.
Before I wrap up this segment, you're getting a doom scroll double feature because I doom scrolled my Instagram so hard. I landed on a photo of me that seems to have resurfaced. I posted this years ago, uh, but an Instagram account at Kelsey brothers just reposted it with the caption. You think Travis and Jason are impressive. Meet baby Kylie. That's me. Uh, that's legitimately me. Um,
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Chapter 3: What charity event are Kylie and Jason involved in?
when I posted this photo, I posted it with the caption a couple of weeks ago, my grandmother asked me, mind you, my grandmother at this point in her life had dementia. Uh, how big were you when you came out? I told her that I was 12 pounds, one ounce and showed her the picture. And she laughed and said, I knew you were huge. Thanks meme. Uh,
I weighed 12 pounds, one ounce when I came out and this photo is not distorted. That is genuinely how round my face was and how little visibility I had. I have been told that at the time of my delivery, the doctor who delivered me, I was his largest baby he had ever delivered. I have since been dethroned by a 14-pounder. I'm not bitter. I'm a little bitter. I want to talk to that mom, really.
I want to make sure she's okay. My parents, I don't think, were very surprised that I came out that large. My sister was 9'5 and broke her collarbone on the way out. So the minute they told my mom that I was going to be bigger, my mom said, just... That's a forward exit. That's an exit. I want you to just slice me open. I'm pretty sure that Jason, I don't know about Travis.
I'm pretty sure that Jason was six pounds, some ounces. He was a little bit early. I want to say, I'm going to get this wrong, but I've heard conflicting stories from Jason, Donna, and Ed. So I'm just going to go with the average. I would say he was about two weeks early. Don't quote me.
I don't know about Travis either, but I do know that Travis was definitely like the chunk in all their baby photos was definitely like the chunkier kid, which clearly he stretched, he stretched out and same. So that second kid, uh, we're, we're built tough. Um, I, we had the same situation with Ellie. Why it was eight, seven. Ellie was eight 13 and she was just built tough. sturdy.
And I swear that it was the universe trying to make sure that she could survive Wyatt. And I'm never gonna, I stand by that. And that does it for Doom Scroll of the Week. You guys know that I'm very passionate about charitable efforts.
We've been trying to make sure that we can tie those into, not gonna lie, and I'm not gonna lie, the best we could come up with for a segment name in a pinch was Charity and Yap. That's right, I'm about to yap about a charity that I feel very strongly about, an event that is called the Night of Too Many Stars. And alongside that is an auction. Jason and I have submitted an auction item.
You can actually win, I don't know if it's winning, but you can win an opportunity to go to dinner with Jason and I in Philadelphia. And if anyone knows about the food scene in Philadelphia, at the very least it might be, you might be having dinner with two very dull individuals, but the food is guaranteed to be outstanding wherever we choose.
Um, the event night of too many stars is a live comedy show benefiting autism programs, uh, all throughout the country. It benefits the foundation next for autism started by the Smigel family in New York. Um,
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Chapter 4: How is Michelle Obama's new podcast 'IMO' different from her past work?
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I cannot believe I'm saying this right now. Michelle Obama, welcome to Not Gonna Lie. Hey, Kylie, look at you. No. I'm not going to lie, Mrs. Obama, this is a pretty surreal moment for me. I feel like we manifested this a little bit. I think so. That's how it works, right?
Yes.
But I have always been such a fan of just sort of the way that you carry yourself and it in sort of the election cycle and where it hit in my life. Yeah. It was like the first time I was able to register to vote at 18. Wow. Was the first election that I was able to vote for your husband. But then seeing you as a powerful figure alongside him as a partner was like such...
an outstanding image of like female empowerment. And I just remember that at like 18 years old that it sits in my brain really heavily. So I'm so excited to get to talk to you. I wanna start off by talking about something that you just announced and I'm so excited for you. You have a brand new podcast with your brother Craig called IMO.
Yes, I'm following in your footsteps. I mean, you're killing the game out here.
I don't know about that, but we're just, we're winging it.
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Chapter 5: What are the challenges of raising teenage daughters in the White House?
But this is a bit different because it's a lot more free flowing, you know, IMO it's, it's in my opinion. So, I mean, I think a lot like you, it's like folks have, you're finding they have a People are always looking for some kind of answers because I think we think someone's got wisdom out there. And it just it's it eases our minds, I think, if we can just talk about this stuff.
Now, how far apart in age are you and your brother?
We're about a year and a half. So we're really... That's so awesome. Yeah, we're close. We've been close from the very beginning. And, you know, we also just lost our mom about a year ago. And so it's kind of strange that we are now the elders, you know? I mean, when you lose... both your parents and we were, we lost our dad earlier.
We, I, we were both in our twenties when my dad died and my mom has held it down for us through all these crazy parts in our lives. You know, the white house years, um, you know, she got us through those years. Um, uh, but when you lose your, your parent, you know, you're always kind of wondering what on earth do I know?
I I'm just now feeling kind of like an adult that knows something, you know, and I. Does it not feel like it's all of the wisdom that she has imparted on you? It's there. But until you activate it, you don't realize that it's just been there forever. Brewing all along. I find that I'm having that conversation with the girls now. I mean, my girls are, you know, they are adults.
They're living on their own. If you can believe that going from these little girls that people saw on the stage at the first inauguration. they're grown women in the world. But a lot of our conversation now is like, when do you feel like an adult? When does it happen? They think like, is there the magic switch that makes you say, yeah, I'm adulting? And I was like, no. Yeah, I haven't.
It's not there.
I still, I still on my fourth child, I'm like, How am I old enough to have four kids?
You know, and when you leave the hospital with that baby, you think, are you guys for real? You're letting us? No one's going to monitor this. You're going to let us get in a car with this precious baby? Yes. I think the sadness or the postpartum that I felt with my kids really came from like you love these babies so much. Immediately you're connected and you think, oh, my God, all you have is me.
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Chapter 6: How did the 'Let’s Move' campaign impact school lunches?
That's right. He and Barack need to talk. That's it. Now, you, of course, raised your daughters in the White House. Yes. I don't know about you, but my kids draw on the couches, the walls, the stairs, everywhere. Did you have any moments in the White House where your girls were true kids and you were like, oh, crap?
Yeah, but well, because, you know, they spent they've lived in the White House longer than they lived anywhere. I mean, you really they grew up in the White House. All right. So you that you're thinking the little years, like when you have full control, the younger years when you have control in the. the worst thing that they do is write on a wall, draw on surfaces. Yeah.
My, my kids were teenagers in the white house. I mean, those years were just like, okay, you want to go where and do what? And there's prom and you've got to learn how to drive and you have to be normal and you're going to a party and was there alcohol and you have agents and now you have a boyfriend and, uh, And trying to do all that, right, and allow them to be normal kids, right?
Just, you know, just the process of making sure they knew how to drive when they have been driven by men in armored cars with guns, you know, because they had full details their whole life. Right. And so I'm trying to make sure because at the end of this eight years, they don't that, you know, they don't continue to live that life.
So when we entered, I'm thinking, how do I make sure that they're normal and ready when this is all over? Right.
Right.
And they have to get on a bus and make their own plane reservations and live in an apartment and have decent friends and be sane in the world. And you start realizing that in the teen years because I wanted to give my girls enough rope to live and be normal teenagers. But I was also worrying about them turning up on page six because they were doing what normal kids would do.
Without that many eyes on them. Without that many eyes on them. And they grew up in with social media, which was different from any other of the younger kids who had grown up in the White House. When you think of Chelsea and Amy Carter and even the Bush daughters who were in college. But it was really Chelsea and Amy who were kids. But there wasn't social media. Right.
There weren't cameras everywhere, you know, every party that they'd go to, you know, we'd have to build a real community of trust around them so that because I didn't want them sitting home on Saturday night, not understanding what it was like to be out and. have a life before they went to college. Right. Right. So it was really those years, you know, the stressful ones.
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Chapter 7: What do Kylie and Michelle Obama discuss about their height and dating experiences?
the really your kids and they've already been in, you know, they've already served their time. Right.
In very formative years. And you were very tactical about how you approach that. And so to then do it again would be, you know, it would be unthinkable.
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And for all the Not Gonna Lie listeners, that's right, bargains. They're giving $2 off any two six-packs. Just go to liquiddeath.com backslash Kylie for details. One of the reasons you're someone I look up to so much is because you're the perfect example of a woman making a name for herself beyond what her husband does for work.
So I'm such a supporter of your Let's Move campaign and the work you did to promote healthy eating and exercise for kids because... Obviously, being someone who was physically active growing up, I really saw a point in eating healthy, fueling your body and focusing on just moving. Why was that cause so important to you?
Well, I experienced the challenges in this environment of fast food and more sedentary lifestyles and all that my generation of parents were facing that was new, that was leading to a childhood obesity crisis. And it was was real. And I saw it early on as a as a working mom with my husband traveling. You know, he was a state senator when the kids were little. Then he was a U.S. senator.
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