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What changes are happening with Normal Gossip?
way more gossip in the world and way more positive feelings toward gossip, like a pendulum is kind of swinging. So I think when I started the show, my relationship with gossip was still like a little tentative. I kind of came into it as like, oh, you know, here's this thing that I love that people say is bad. Here's this way that I view it that I want other people to view it.
And that really has changed. I And I think now I think about gossip all the time. I've thought about it constantly for so long, right? Like I wrote a whole book about it and it's like the only thing I've been able to think about for years.
So I think my relationship with it now is much more professional, first off, but I'm also just inundated with gossip now because every single person who I ever meet is like, here's a little morsel. Would you like it? And so I am eating.
I cannot wait for people to know even more that they can tell me gossip after this moment. Yeah, hell yeah. I also love how you say the pendulum has swung since the show started as if the show was not part of the pendulum swinging. Kelsey, I wonder why the pendulum has swung so much. Maybe because there's a show that has taught the importance and joy of gossip.
Yeah, I mean, I do think that that's probably true on some level. It is funny that now I feel like, I mean, don't read the comments, etc. But we do get criticism sometimes for people who are like, why are you talking about the importance that gossip has in the world? Everybody already knows this. And I'm like, well, all right, one, not everyone. Two, like, that wasn't true when we started.
And I think it's hard. It has been often hard for me to remember that like, The culture has changed and we were part of that change. And I'm happier for it because the stories are fucking better, right? Like people are going straight to Cam on TikTok with the craziest shit you've ever heard, which is mama mia, what a gift, you know?
How many story times on TikTok have been influenced by normal gossip? We'll never know, but I will say safely a million. Yeah. Speaking of, a little birdie told me you had some gossip for me.
Oh, my God. I do. Okay. So I know this girl, right? Well, I don't know her. A friend of a friend knows her. And she has this terrible boss, right? Like, he's the kind of guy who, like, never wears shoes in the office. Ew. Yeah. And, like, brings his dog in even though people on his staff are allergic. Rude. Yeah. And this is, like, gross tech company, right? So she, like, works all the time.
She's miserable. Yeah. And one day they're like, hey, we need you to run out and get champagne because it's your boss's birthday. And she's like, okay. So she goes to the grocery store. She's in this, like, huge rush. And the checkout clerk is, like, trying to gab with her, right? Like, he's like, you know, how's your day? How's it going? And she's, like, flustered.
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