In the second episode of Andrea’s coverage of the Jesika Jones case, she’s joined by Derek Jones, Jesika’s then-husband. Derek bravely tells the story of how he and Jesika met, their home life, and the decline in their daughter's health. Talking to Derek gives listeners insight into the manipulative nature of perpetrators, not only with their victims, but also with everyone around them, and the mental toll of coming to terms with such a monumental breach of trust. Stay tuned for part 2 of their conversation, coming next week. *** Links/Resources: Preorder Andrea and Mike’s new book The Mother Next Door: Medicine, Deception, and Munchausen by Proxy Click here to view our sponsors. Remember that using our codes helps advertisers know you’re listening and helps us keep making the show! Subscribe on YouTube where we have full episodes and lots of bonus content. Follow Andrea on Instagram for behind-the-scenes photos: @andreadunlop Buy Andrea's books here. To support the show, go to Patreon.com/NobodyShouldBelieveMe or subscribe on Apple Podcasts where you can get all episodes early and ad-free and access exclusive ethical true crime bonus content. For more information and resources on Munchausen by Proxy, please visit MunchausenSupport.com The American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children’s MBP Practice Guidelines can be downloaded here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What background does Derek Jones provide about his relationship with Jesika?
Um, but I'm like, Hey, this is your final shot. So, um, I went back and then the youngest starts getting sicker. And November 2021, I should be, that's when the youngest went into the hospital the first time for seizure-like symptoms. And that's where everything started falling into place. of things happening.
She started, you know, becoming a kid over the next couple months after that, that I didn't recognize. It was, that's my daughter, but she's completely different now.
How so?
Sleeping all the time. just less vocal just it's hard to even explain it's as a parent when you see your kid like and something's off you can tell and I knew something was off in it but it was like and that's where by saying like that like it was my kid but it wasn't like it was off like she wasn't her normal self and it just kept getting further and further from her normal self
And so she was going back and forth to the hospital and the ER.
And did she have, to your knowledge at this point, did she have like a diagnosis or just like she's having these symptoms and we don't know what's wrong with her?
She was having these symptoms. They couldn't figure it out, but they wanted her to start. She would send, you know, she'd be like, hey, she's having seizures. I'm going to take her to ER. I need you to come home and stay with the kids. So I'd leave work, come home, and first couple times they didn't know.
So they started telling her, hey, when you witness these episodes, please record it and send it to us or bring it into her next doctor's appointment so we can view it.
Right, because part of the problem with things like seizure disorders is they can put them on, you know, the machine you were talking about before with the older child. They can put them on an EEG for observation in case they happen to have a seizure during that time. But it's very, it can be really hard to catch it.
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Chapter 2: How did Derek and Jesika meet and begin their relationship?
Yeah, it's not, hey, one set standard, you know.
But something, in the video when you saw it, something was happening.
Something. She was laying on the couch shaking. You know, she was getting to the point where she was having these episodes of peeing on herself more. It was, like I said, her health was declining. And you get more and more concerned as a parent. You're like... Something's got to be done. You know, we need to figure something out. If it's not this, it's got to be something.
And a week or two after that video, she ends up having more seizures. She's like, hey, I called the emergency number. They want me to take her in when you get home because she's had a couple today and she's real lethargic right now. okay, I'm rushing home. She takes her up there. They end up admitting her for a day or two to observator. Then I was like, did you show them the videos?
She's like, yeah, they see it. They said those are small ones, but she never had one in there. They ended up, they're like, hey, we're going to send her home and do a 72-hour EEG at home where she's more relaxed, more comfortable, where if
you know where they've been happening so maybe we can catch one there so here she comes home she has to keep this backpack on her for three days has her you know all the stuff on her head all gauzed up and they'd even went in and done a mri i think Was it an MRI of her brain? They had to put her to sleep and do two tests to her while she was asleep.
They put her to sleep and everything, which that was hard to witness the first time because she started shaking a little bit, you know, when she went to sleep. And so 72 hours, they go back in, take it all out or take it all off. Next day, they say it's going to take like two days to get the full readings of everything for the doctor to look at it. She calls me when they get it.
She said they saw a few little ones on there because we had a button every time we thought we'd see one, we had to hit it. You know, we're supposed to hit it. And she was supposed to, I believe, log it all. Also, every time she thought she saw one in that 72 hours. And supposedly she was doing all that on her phone.
Jessica was supposed to do that.
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