In this episode, Garrett and Payton delve into the mysterious case of Jermain Charlo. After she goes missing, her final known moments are captured on camera, sparking a sluggish police investigation that ultimately leads to heartbreak. Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources: DailyMail.com - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13962375/video-missing-mom-jermain-charlo-missoula.html Uncovered.com - https://uncovered.com/cases/jermain-charlo KPax.com - https://www.kpax.com/news/mmip/missing-woman-jermain-charlos-family-pleased-with-national-spotlight-on-the-case#google_vignette TheSun.com - https://www.the-sun.com/news/12656616/jermain-charlo-missing-48-hours-michael-defrance-mmiw/ CBSNews.com - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jermain-charlo-search-michael-defrance-investigation-montana-timeline-48-hours/ DailyMontanan.com - https://dailymontanan.com/2023/05/02/judge-jermain-charlos-ex-boyfriend-guilty-of-illegal-firearms-possession-false-statements/ GreatFallsTribune.com - https://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/2021/08/05/ex-boyfriend-jermain-charlo-appears-federal-court/5499952001/ Oxygen.com - https://www.oxygen.com/true-crime-buzz/jermain-charlo-missing-person-case-focus-of-new-podcast-series IndianLaw.org - https://indianlaw.org/issue/ending-violence-against-native-women#:~:text=More%20than%204%20in%205,2%20have%20experienced%20sexual%20violence GBVLearningNetwork.ca - https://gbvlearningnetwork.ca/our-work/issuebased_newsletters/Issue-25/index.html RollingStone.com - https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/stolen-jermain-podcast-connie-walker-interview-1157200/ NewYorker.com - https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-the-southwest/is-there-hope-for-the-missing-and-murdered-indigenous-women#:~:text=(The%20Bureau%20of%20Indian%20Affairs,Natives%20that%20have%20gone%20unsolved.) KatieCouric.com - https://katiecouric.com/news/why-are-indigenous-women-going-missing-and-cases-ignored/ Vogue.com - https://www.vogue.com/article/connie-walker-stolen-the-search-for-jermain-podcast NativeHope.org - https://www.nativehope.org/missing-and-murdered-indigenous-women-mmiw?utm_term=missing%20and%20murdered%20indigenous%20women&utm_campaign=MMIW+-+Search&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_tgt=kwd-499968175672&hsa_grp=144380966783&hsa_src=g&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_mt=b&hsa_ver=3&hsa_ad=646853914079&hsa_acc=3651624507&hsa_kw=missing%20and%20murdered%20indigenous%20women&hsa_cam=19633980915&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAoae5BhCNARIsADVLzZcTrF8h2a9Pj6QNIFV3W0ILrzdntgZMcCiRZRil4CP_TmonKKBAnp0aAtP0EALw_wcB Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What happened to Jermain Charlo?
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And I'm Garrett Moreland.
And he's the husband.
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You got your 10 seconds?
No, I don't. But I will think of one right now. Peyton and I took pictures basically for the first time together since we got engaged. Eight years, eight and a half years, nine years, somewhere between eight and nine years. We're both on the same page about that. So no harm, no foul. Aber ja, es ist schon lange her, seit wir Fotos gemacht haben. Und Peyton und ich haben Fotos gemacht.
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Chapter 2: Why was the police investigation slow?
Also, die Familie verliert nicht Hoffnung während all dieser Dinge. In der Zwischenzeit, in diesen zehn Tagen, haben sie die Dinge in ihre eigenen Hände genommen. Sie haben Bilder gelegt, Flyer gehalten. Oh mein Gott. ist eigentlich eine Stunde entfernt von dem, wo sie letztens gesehen wurde, also wo soll man suchen?
Leider war das nicht das erste Mal, dass eine nativistische Frau von der Flathead-Reservation weggegangen ist. Also vermutlich haben viele dieser Menschen, die sich suchen wollten, diese Länder schon vorher geklemmt.
Außerdem möchte ich nur klarstellen, wir sind im Jahr 2018.
Ja.
Das ist nicht die 1980er, das ist nicht die 1990er, es ist 2018.
Yeah, we should know better by now. It's insane.
So, the search doesn't produce any results. There is still no sign of Germaine. But the police have already been working on some theories about what happened when they got 10 days later, when they decided to start looking at it. For starters, they feel pretty confident that this wasn't a runaway situation, especially since, as we know, Germaine is a mother. She left two little boys back at home.
So that's when they jumped to other possibilities. Either Germaine disappeared due to some drug-related crime, someone she knows is involved in her disappearance, maybe she was trafficked.
At first, police say they have good reason to investigate the human trafficking angle, because Detective Guy Baker, the one who is officially now taking on Germaines case, says they have some information about people coming from out of state into Missoula to traffic girls.
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Chapter 3: What details are known about Jermain's last night?
Now, Michael admits, yes, he was out with Jermaine that night. And after they left the bars, they got into his Dodge pickup truck. So this is more than police have learned this entire time. They now are getting from Michael where Jermaine went when she left the camera. He says he drove her three minutes down the street to a little grocery store called the Orange Street Food Farm.
This is just before 1 a.m. Germaine apparently told him she was meeting a friend named Cassidy who lived right around the corner there and she was planning to actually spend the night at Cassidy's house. So Michael drops her off and he says she hopped out and that was the last time he saw her.
But when police look into this Cassidy person, they can't find anyone by that name that Jermaine knows, which is extremely suspicious for one very good reason. And it's because Michael and Jermaine had a pretty dark past. So when police start looking into their relationship, they find an old report from April 14th of 2013.
It was filed in Sanders County, which the reservation is on just outside of Missoula. And according to these documents, Michael hat Jermaine drei Mal in 2013 auf diese Nacht geschlagen. Oh mein Gott. Er hat also verurteilt, dass er verurteilt wurde. Er hat keine Zeit im Gefängnis verbracht. Stattdessen wurde er verurteilt und 40 Stunden Domestic Violence-Treatment gegeben.
Ja.
Es gibt so viele Leute, die sich sofort über etwas verärgern und es ist ein Schlag, ein Schlag, Gewalt, etwas auf diese Linien. Und es ist einfach schrecklich.
Das ist, weshalb es wichtig ist, emotionale Regulierung zu lernen. Es ist verrückt, einfach direkt zu Gewalt zu gehen.
Nein, wir lösen keine Probleme mit Gewalt. Ende der Geschichte.
Ja, also er ist auch gesagt, dass er nicht ermöglicht ist, irgendeine Feuerwehr zu besitzen. Okay. But this is just the tip of the iceberg. With such few consequences, the abuse continues. The following year, in June or July of 2014, it happens again. This time, Jermaine and Michael have a fight at her aunt's house.
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