Elizabeth and Jeff were best friends. They did everything together, from early-morning runs to late-night karaoke sessions. They came up with secret code names for each other and went on undercover missions in their neighborhood. They fought, and made up, and fought some more.Beneath their playful dynamic, an attraction was growing between them, but Elizabeth never wanted to risk the friendship by exploring it. Then Jeff got sick, and things changed. In this episode, the story of a once-in-a-lifetime friendship, from the very beginning to the very end.This episode is adapted from Elizabeth Laura Nelson’s 2025 essay Friends for 16 Years. Lovers for One Night.Here’s how to submit a Modern Love essay to The New York Times.Here’s how to submit a Tiny Love Story. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.
Chapter 1: How did Elizabeth and Jeff's friendship begin?
Chapter 2: What were some fun activities Elizabeth and Jeff enjoyed together?
Whatever he would say, actually, I would just echo it back to him. Oh, actually? Really? Actually? Then he would get mad.
Then we'd both be mad. But no matter how much he might annoy her, no matter how much they might annoy each other, Elizabeth always forgave Jeff.
He just had the goofiest grin. It was just so joyful and a little bit mischievous. Like there was always a little twinkle in his eye. And we had this relationship where I could say anything. I could joke about anything. There was no topic off limits.
Underneath all that teasing and joking, Elizabeth told me there was a pole, an attraction between the two of them, but they were never quite ready to explore it. They waited and waited and waited.
I just thought that we had time. I just thought we had forever to work it out.
They waited until it was almost too late. From The New York Times, I'm Anna Martin. This is Modern Love. Stay with us. Elizabeth Laura Nelson, welcome to Modern Love. Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. It's really great to have you in the studio. Put a face to your essay. We're here to talk about you and your friend, Jeff. How did you and Jeff meet?
Jeff and I met through my ex-husband, Tom. He said, I met this guy. He's so great. He's an artist. He's a dad. His daughter's right in between the ages of our two daughters. So they were friends, and Tom would always come home, and he would have something to tell me about, oh, you know, Jeff doesn't buy his daughter toys. He makes them. He whittles them.
wooden toys for her and you know oh for for bedtime story he's reading her the hunchback of notre dame and he he really just really liked him and i talked about him a lot and how did jeff go from being tom's friend to being your friend I'm trying to think when we started hanging out, just the two of us. I guess it was when we started running.
We lived really close to Prospect Park, so I decided I was going to take up running. And I think I was talking about that at dinner one night with Jeff and Tom and the kids. And Jeff said, oh, I want to start running. I'll start running with you. He was totally game. And we would text each other. You know, I'm leaving in five minutes.
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Chapter 3: Why did Elizabeth hesitate to explore romantic feelings for Jeff?
Not really, only if we were in private, because they were our secret code names. Sorry. Right?
Yeah.
No one could see. No one could know.
When you got divorced... Did that change? How did that change your friendship with Jeff? Did it change your friendship with Jeff?
Yeah, I don't think it changed it. We maybe became closer just because I was single, right? I had maybe more time. I had time when I wasn't with the girls, when they were with their dad. So it probably deepened our friendship more. Yeah. So there's a little bar called Shenanigans. What?
Shenanigans Irish Pub. Do you know it?
Yeah, I do. So they have karaoke on Saturday nights. And we would go sing karaoke. We would sing Up Where We Belong, which is the theme song from An Officer and a Gentleman. Well, it all comes back to that movie, does it not? The two of you, that was your song. That was our song. That was our song. Can you sing a little bit? Oh, yeah, yeah. Love lift us up where we belong.
Yes, this one.
Where the eagles cry.
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Chapter 4: What was the significance of karaoke in their relationship?
He said, you look great. You're amazing. At one point, you maybe can't put this on there. We'll see. I was on top of him. And I said, look at my stomach right now. You're not even noticing this. Do you see? It's like punched down bread dough. And he said, if my dick is in you right now, I'm not seeing anything else. It feels amazing. You look amazing.
I mean, it's so, but it's, what a dick. deeply and playfully intimate thing to do. And I don't actually mean like the sex act of it all. I mean the like, you felt insecure about your body and you were voicing that to him in a pretty vulnerable and open way. Like, do you see this? How do I look? And you trusted him to be able to hold that.
But then also like, the fact remains that Jeff is an opinionated, he's an actually guy, right? And you were,
bumping against each other so tell me about like was there kind of like a classic fight between the two of you he loved to talk about religion that was the main thing is that I go to church a lot I'm pretty into pretty into God I'm a Jesus freak. But I'm not, I don't love to talk about it. It feels very personal to me. And I definitely don't like to debate about it.
I'm not interested in defending my beliefs to anyone or even explaining them particularly. It's just kind of my thing. And Jeff, I think he was very curious about spirituality and faith and And really wanted to know. But the way that he would ask me about it came out in this very teasing slash challenging way. And it really felt like he just wanted to make me mad.
And I would say, Jeff, I don't want to talk about this. This is not fun for me. But he loved to argue. He loved to play devil's advocate just to kind of get someone to debate with him. And he would just pick on me until I told him to fuck off. Was he good at apologizing?
No. I could have guessed that. Even though he was saying this kind of like ostensibly dumb and hurtful thing, were you able to be like, this person still... Knows me and sees me and this doesn't matter as much.
I think toward the beginning of our friendship, yes. And toward the end, no. And that's where the fight started to feel more serious. It was like... How can I do this? That's not visual. But when they're two parallel lines and they get closer together and further apart and closer together. And that's what I assumed would keep happening throughout our lives.
That there would be these times where we, you know, the paths were diverging a little bit and then we would come back together. Even toward the end, it's hard to jump, but when we were fighting, when we weren't speaking, I knew that we had this deep connection that was never, ever going to go away.
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Chapter 5: How did a life event change Elizabeth and Jeff's dynamic?
Chapter 6: What unique code names did Elizabeth and Jeff use?
Yeah, yeah. So we were at Shenanigans, had too much to drink, went back to his place, which is a block away. And I was lying on the couch and he was playing guitar. He was teaching himself how to play the guitar from YouTube videos. Also a big Jeff thing, YouTube anything. He's like, there's a YouTube video on that. Actually, there's YouTube. Actually. So he was teaching himself to play guitar.
And he was playing Blackbird, classic beginning guitar song. And as he was playing and I was laying on the couch in my drunken state, I felt sick. And I started to feel this vibe that like... Oh, my God. Is Jeff going to try to kiss me? Is there going to be like it was, you know, when the air in the room changes. So I quickly got up, bolted to the bathroom.
And I'm, you know, then it was the holding the hair and I'm puking.
Okay. So you did not kiss. I know exactly what you mean by the air in the room changes. It becomes... or I don't know what the right word is. It's like sharper. There's a shift. What about that shift was so... Had you never thought about it before?
I had thought about it only in that my friends had suggested, you know, you're such good friends with Jeff, don't you think? Maybe. And I was always stridently, no, absolutely not. Why? Why? I didn't look at him and think, like, oh, he's so hot. And he was my best friend. And once you make things romantic with somebody, like, it's going to change your friendship, your relationship.
And I just didn't want to do that. You didn't want to risk it. I didn't want to risk it. But I always had the feeling that I could at any time. I knew that he was game. Even when he was dating somebody, even when he was the most in love, I knew. And I would kind of think, like, I could just snap my fingers and he would drop her for me. I just knew. The glint in your eye. I mean, how did you know?
We had, okay, when I was, so I was very nervous to start dating again and to have sex again with a new person, right? It had been years since I'd been with somebody new. I was very nervous and I went over to his apartment one day and I said, Jeff, we have to have pretend sex and you have to tell me the truth about my body. What does pretend sex mean?
Like, I stripped down to my underwear and he rolled out his yoga mat. And he said, should I take off my clothes? I said, no. He took off his shirt anyway. He loved to take his shirt off. And, yeah, we just got down. I did all these, like, went through a little Kama Sutra of different positions. And I would say, okay, look here. See how my stomach is hanging right now? What about this?
What about that? What about this cottage cheese on my thigh?
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Chapter 7: How did their arguments shape their friendship?
Chapter 8: What was the pivotal moment that changed their relationship?
Like I can't, you know, it's like, I don't care if I'm mad at him. But then I would be so turned on that I had to just take care of it myself. Yeah. So I would masturbate and then get up. By the time I was like having my coffee, I was like, you know what? It's fine. I don't need to call him.
I handled it. Yep. I mean, when you would go through these periods of not talking, sometimes really extended periods of not talking, did you worry about your friendship ending? Like, did it ever feel that way?
It didn't exactly, only because we always kind of went in and out of hanging out every day and we'd be caught up in our separate things. So I never, never thought that we wouldn't come back together. I felt like I was his person. I was his just life partner, just doing life together, including when we were mad at each other.
Mostly me mad at him, but... I also think there was an element of that the tension was building between us, that I think the pretend sex was sort of a... The pretend sex and the sex dreams, it was kind of all heading toward this, our friendship is becoming something else.
During a time when you and Jeff were not talking... He took a turn for the worse. Can you walk me through what happened?
So it was the end of May, May 29th, and our friend Ellison texted me a screenshot of a text from Jeff saying he was in the emergency room at Cedars-Sinai. I didn't even know he was in Los Angeles. We had not been in touch for some time. And Ellison said, why don't you give it a day or two? I will find out what's going on. I'll let you know. And I said, okay.
And then I think maybe five minutes later, I text him. I was not going to be able to wait. I texted him. You know what? Actually, I could...
i could can i pull up you have it i can totally pull them up here okay okay yeah may 29th hey blue falcon do you copy i hear you're in the hospital red sparrow i fear the worst my comrade what are they saying are they keeping you in the hospital when are you supposed to come home And Jeff said, well, everything went sideways so fast.
I came here feeling more or less okay, but everything got worse day by day until I couldn't really function. And there was some more about how he was feeling. And then I wish I could say I'm not scared.
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