David Razowsky joins this episode to reveal how the principles of improvisation go far beyond the stage—transforming the way we communicate, lead, and build relationships in business and life. As the former artistic director of Second City and a coach to some of the biggest names in comedy, David has spent decades mastering the art of presence, adaptability, and deep connection. In this conversation, he breaks down why improvisation isn’t about being funny—it’s about being fully engaged in the moment. He shares powerful insights on how reading body language, responding to energy shifts, and embracing uncertainty can help anyone become a stronger communicator, a more effective leader, and a better decision-maker. David doesn’t just teach improv—he teaches awareness. He reveals why most people fail in communication (hint: they’re too focused on themselves), how to instantly build rapport, and why business leaders, sales professionals, and entrepreneurs need to ditch rigid scripts in favor of real connection. Whether you’re leading a team, pitching an idea, or negotiating a deal, this episode will challenge you to rethink how you show up in every interaction. David’s raw, unfiltered approach will change the way you communicate—and ultimately, how you succeed. Key Takeaways: * Why improvisation is the ultimate skill for leadership, negotiation, and personal growth. * The secret to reading the room and responding to people in real-time. * How to break free from rigid scripts and build authentic connections. * The role of body language, tempo, and micro-expressions in communication. * Practical exercises to sharpen your adaptability and presence. Head over to podcast.iamcharlesschwartz.com to download your exclusive companion guide, designed to guide you step-by-step in implementing the strategies revealed in this episode. KEY POINTS: 2:11 - Connecting Emotionally: David explains why true connection starts with emotional presence. Whether in business, leadership, or personal interactions, people respond to authenticity—not scripted responses. 6:01 - Meet Them Authentically: David highlights the importance of meeting people where they are instead of forcing an agenda. He shares how adaptability and active listening create stronger relationships and better outcomes. 12:15 - Overcoming Fear: Fear stops people from taking risks, speaking up, and engaging fully. David reveals how improvisation helps break through hesitation and teaches confidence in uncertainty. 16:10 - Embrace Your Failures: Mistakes aren’t roadblocks—they’re the path to mastery. David discusses why failure is essential for growth and how shifting your mindset around it can accelerate success. 17:42 - Kinesthetic Response Explained: Your body reacts before your brain does. David introduces the concept of kinesthetic response—how small physical shifts reveal what people are truly thinking and feeling, and why recognizing these cues is a game-changer in communication. 39:01 - Importance of Presence: Being fully engaged in the moment is a superpower. David explains how presence leads to better conversations, deeper connections, and more effective leadership. 44:44 - Body Language Importance: Communication isn’t just about words—body language, micro-expressions, and nonverbal cues shape every interaction. David shares how to read and respond to these signals for more impactful communication.
Chapter 1: What is the transformative power of improvisation in communication?
Welcome to the I Am Charles Schwartz Show. In this episode, we dive into the transformative power of improvisation with David Rosowski, a renowned improv coach, former Second City artistic director and author of The Subversives Guide to Improvisation. David has worked with some of the biggest names in comedy, from Steve Carell and Stephen Colbert to Amy Sedaris and Chris Farley.
But his insights go far beyond the stage. Improvisation isn't just about being funny. It's about presence, awareness and the ability to connect deeply with others. David reveals how mastering improvisation can sharpen communication, strengthen leadership, and even drive success in business.
He breaks down the critical skill of reading the room, why most people try too hard and fail, and how showing up authentically creates instant connection. Whether you're leading a team, negotiating a deal, or simply looking to improve your interactions, these lessons will change how you engage with the world. This conversation is raw, insightful, and unapologetically real.
If you've ever wondered how to think on your feet, make an impact and truly be in the moment, you don't want to miss this one. The show starts now. Welcome to the I Am Charles Schwartz Show, where we don't just discuss success, we show you how to create it.
On every episode we uncover the strategies and tactics that turn everyday entrepreneurs into unstoppable powerhouses in their businesses and their lives. Whether your goal is to transform your life or hit that elusive 7, 8 or 9 figure mark, we've got the blueprint to get you there. The show starts now. Hi, welcome back. I'm really excited to have Dave on the show. Thank you so much for being here.
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Chapter 2: How does emotional presence build true connections?
It's great to be here. So for a lot of people, they don't know who you are. They don't know what you do. Let's get everybody kind of caught up for the people who've been living under a rock. Who are you? What have you done?
Mein Name ist David Rosowski und ich lehre Improvisation. Ich bin bekannt und ich hasse diese Phrase. Jemand hat gesagt, dass es wie Rosowski ist, der Improvisation-Guru. Weil was ich mache, ist nicht nur Improvisation zu lernen. Ich lehre über das Bewusstsein, in dem Moment zu sein, zu verbinden, wirklich zu verbinden mit der Person, mit der du sprichst.
Ich habe ein Buch geschrieben, das nennt sich Der Subversives Guide to Improvisation, welches die Impro-Welt viel verärgert, weil ich Dinge wie sage, Improvisation ist nicht nur um Lachen zu bekommen, es geht auch darum, Menschen auf emotionalem Niveau zu verbinden.
Und wenn du anfängst, Menschen zu geben, um sie zu lachen, um sie zu lieben, dann wirst du die ersten Dinge, die du tun wirst, wegwerfen, weil sie es sehen. Sie sehen es nur ein Millionen Meilen entfernt. Die meisten Improvisationen, wie wir es vorhin schon gesagt haben, wenn die Leute nicht zu dir und mir hören wollten, sind... Die meisten Improvisationen sind Scheiße.
And it's just horrible and it's really, really hard to watch. Why? Because people are trying too hard. They're just trying too hard. Can you just for a minute be? Can you just be for a minute? Just don't worry about what the outcome is. Just be with me for a minute. So I go around the world teaching theatrical improvisation, non-comedic improvisation.
And I got to tell you, the scenes are hilarious because everybody's being honest and truthful and in the moment. A little bit about my background. I was in a place called the Second City. Das heißt, wir schreiben auf unseren Füßen, wir lernen, wie wir verbinden. Wir machen es im Moment. Und die Leute, mit denen ich arbeite, sind Leute wie Steve Carell, Stephen Colbert, Amy Sedaris, Rachel Dratch.
Ich war Coach für Chris Farley. Ich habe mit ihnen alle gearbeitet. Alle von ihnen. Endlich werde ich der Artistische Direktor der zweiten Stadt in Los Angeles. Ich habe Theatricom seit 65 Jahren gemacht. Ich habe das seit ich 10 Jahre alt war. And I am not to be screwed with, because I just love what I do. And I stopped caring. And the moment that I really stopped caring, I started making money.
Und ja, eine der Gründe, warum ich dich anbringen wollte, weil du sagst, warum reden wir über Impro? Wir impfen jeden Moment, jeden Tag unserer Leben. Und es ist um verbunden zu sein. Es geht darum, deinen Zweck zu wissen. Und es zeigt sich authentisch.
Und, du weißt, wir haben darüber gesprochen, bevor wir begonnen haben, dass du und ich uns mit einander in einem sehr spezifischen Weg kommunizieren. Es ist schnell, es ist einfach. Und wir müssen es ein bisschen hier filteren, weil... People get upset and Apple blocks things. So this is a little bit of the filtered version of Dave and I in this one.
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Chapter 3: Why is adaptability crucial in leadership and negotiation?
I started teaching, I teach every day, I teach classes every single day online. And I started, I had a beginner's class yesterday. And the same beginner's class that I have all the time. And this is it. I am going to sit in this position, whatever it's going to be.
I'm just going to sit here and you're going to look at me and you're going to assume what it is that I'm feeling in the moment that you see me. So if I'm sitting here, I've got my hand on my chin and my eyebrows are furled like this. I look concerned. So the first thing I want to do is to go, here's the thing, nothing comes out of my mouth that first hasn't been dipped in my heart. Think about it.
You look at somebody, you empathize with them, you reach them on an emotional level. You meet them where they are. You don't pull them to where you want to be, because if you pull them to where you want to be, they're not going to go. The first thing they do is like, get your hands off me. So the first thing that I teach them is read your partner. Emotionally read your partner.
Be in relationship to what you see, not what you want. Because the only source of suffering is non-acceptance. The greatest thing you could do is accept the person that's in front of you, what they're offering in that moment, but part of it isn't the end result. It's about being in the moment. You want their money. Yeah, you want their money. Get their money. Great. But you know what?
That's not your purpose. Your purpose is to make an emotional connection at the beginning and the money will come, man.
The money will come. If your goal is this, you have to eliminate their pain. If you want their profit, you have to eliminate their pain. But in order to do that, you have to, as you just said, meet them where they are. Have that conversation. What is Susie going on with right now? How is she showing?
Learning how to read those micro expressions, learning how to read body language, learning how to understand what comes out of your face. If you say banana and somehow she's triggered by banana, you've got to be able to read her body language. Oh, I said banana and her eyes crossed or she scratched her ear or whatever the heck it is. Okay, I've triggered her.
So it's, I love that you said meet them where they are. You didn't say meet them where you are and drag them through it. No!
Nein, und eines der Dinge, also ich war, als ich der künstlerische Direktor von Second City war, wurde ich von einem der beliebtesten Theatern in Chicago gefragt, Steppenwolf Theater, wo John Malkovich kam und all die, Laurie Metcalf, sie alle kamen von dort. Und ich wurde gefragt, für sie non-theatrische Improvisationen zu lernen.
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Chapter 4: What role does fear play in personal and professional growth?
Doesn't mean no. And I'm not saying that anything other than this. The word no is not going to kill you. It's a stopping point. It's a stop sign. And when you have a stop sign, you stop and you go, what are my options now? What do I have on the table now? What is it? Because all that they said was no. They didn't say, we know where you live and we know where your child goes to grammar school.
We're not going to let your kid on fire. We're not going to blow up your door. No, no. And pivot. I don't think people even know how to pivot.
I think that, so let's go to the pivot. Let's go to the pivot. When you recognize that somebody has to pivot, that moment that you pivot, you didn't expect that moment that you'd have to pivot. So what does that ask you to do? It asks you to be, it asks you to be inspired to go, how else can I look at this thing? And why am I afraid of not looking at it?
Because I don't know what's going to come next. Well, you know what? And you said it earlier. Wir improvisieren jeden Tag. Und ich weiß nicht, was früher kommen wird. Jemand, der dieses Podcast jetzt liest, könnte eine Idee haben, wie es sein wird. Und wir haben sie einfach falsch gezeigt. Absolut.
Und das ist das, was ich liebe. Wir werden einfach sein. Und ich werde dich nicht drücken, wo ich dich wollen möchte. Wir werden zurück und forth spielen. Es ist ein Tennis-Match. Aber die Leute haben nicht diese Fähigkeit. Und ich denke, du hast recht. Sie sind furchtbar. Sie sind so furchtbar, sich zu verletzen. Ich verletze mich, bevor ich aus dem Banken komme.
Ich brüche meine Zähne die falsche Art. Es ist, was es ist. Es ist das Gefühl einer Frau. Was war es? Er sagt, wenn du dich verletzt und dich verbrennst, dann bleibst du verletzt. Das ist das Gefühl. Just keep going.
For sure. Nothing that we do, nothing that we know how to do, didn't come with us failing. Didn't come with us falling. We know how to walk because we learn how to fall. That's how we do it.
I'm going to tell you, if you look at the road that brought you right here, having a conversation with me, I'm going to say there were five things that you were disappointed in that you pivoted that brought you to me.
That brought me... You have to add a zero into the back of that. I failed. I tell this to people all the time. The only way to succeed is to fail. You've got to fail your way to success. No one sits there and looks at their kid and says, oh, here's little Billy, and they fall down ten times, like, well, that's it, we're just going to get him a wheelchair. We don't do that.
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Chapter 5: How can reading body language enhance communication?
Not getting that deal, not having good conversations, not hitting on the girl and getting her phone number, not getting the job. It's not going to be... And you're not going to remember it. Take it from someone who's failed a lot more than he succeeded. It is what it is. So if we've got someone... We're on two things right now, right? We've got them to say... Show up where they are.
Meet them where they are. Throw that out of the window. When you teach people, what are some of the exercises? They say, listen, these are bulletproof. These just work. These are proven. We know this works. Come hell or high water. If I've got someone who's got paralysis with this, what do you walk them through? How do you make them do whatever they're going to do?
I'll give an example. Okay, let's say... Zuerst werde ich ihnen etwas über die kinesthetische Reaktion erzählen. Eine kinesthetische Reaktion ist etwas, was physiologisch im Körper passiert, wenn ein Stimulus kommt. Ein Stimulus könnte etwas sein. Es könnte ein Geruch von Schmerzen sein. Es könnte ein Geruch von Schokoladenkuchen sein. Es könnte jemand, der deinen Namen sagt sein.
Es könnte sein, dass du einen Schuss oder einen Schuss hörst oder so etwas. Es stoppt dich in deinem Trakt. Es nimmt deinen Atem weg. Es nimmt deinen Atem weg. You know, because if one of the things that I say is when your respiration changes, it's because your inspirations change. So what I will have these people do is I'll go, all right, all right, let's do this. Let's just do this.
There's a lot. It's just way too much going on. Okay. Do you ever go to overnight camp? And I'll go, no, this is the exercise. That's how good of an actress. Have you ever been to an overnight camp? And someone will go, no, I never was. It's like, did you have friends going to the overnight camp? And they'll go, yeah. And it's like, what did you like about it?
How was that like, knowing that all your friends were going to have the summertime of going to an overnight camp? And they were just, I was distracting them. And what I'm looking for in that distraction, in that journey that they're going down, is for this, and it happens every single time, Charles, they're going to say a word that's going to stop them.
And they're going to have a kinesthetic response to something. And the first thing I do is I go, look what you just did. You were in flow. The moment that you thought that there was no product that you had to deliver or nothing that you had to show, you were yourself. Now let's talk about the audience. Did you all watch him have that kinesthetic response?
Did you all watch him bumper at that one word, whatever it was, bathing suit or whatever it was? And it's like, yeah, it's like, that's... That's our northern star. That's the moment that we go, tell me about bathing. Like, why did that bother you? And then suddenly they are affected by something. They're having a conversation that they didn't know they were about to have.
They're investing in something that they didn't think they were going to invest in. I don't mean financially. I mean giving energetically. And everybody is walking away from something with an experience that they didn't have before. So the first thing that I teach them is be aware of your body. And how do we do that? Be in flow alone. Es scheint, dass es keinen Risiko gibt. Es gibt keinen Risiko.
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Chapter 6: What practical exercises can improve your improvisation skills?
The thing that you think is really important for your negotiation, they don't fucking care. Sie konnten sich überhaupt nicht interessieren, in irgendeiner Form.
Du musst herausfinden, dass, hey, wenn du für dieses Gebäude negotierst, und in diesem Negotiationsprozess gehen wir zurück und forth, und das war ihr Gebäude, das war ihr Ding, und du sagst, hör mal, ich weiß, du willst das nicht verlassen, das war dein Mothers Legacy, ich werde sicher machen, im Kontrakt, das wir hier hinlegen, das Gebäude wird nach deiner Mutter genannt.
All of a sudden, I'm going to get that for a million dollars less than somebody else because I identified their pain. And I did that by spending the time to connect with them and read their body language and do those things. And people think, oh, improv is just for stage. No, you putz. You improv every moment of every day. None of this was prepared.
None of this was prepared. One of the goals in improvisation, in any improvisation, is to make... Ich bin sicher, dass hier ein Punkt zu treffen ist. Aber um das zu machen, was du improvisierst, sieht es aus, als ob es geschrieben wurde. Improvisiere es auf so einem Niveau, dass dein Fluss authentisch ist. Und die Weise, wie du das tust, ist, dass alles, was du sagst, aus deinem Herzen kommt.
Es kommt aus Empathie, es kommt aus dem Gefühl, das du fühlst, wenn du diese Gefühle fühlst. Und das wichtige Ding, einer meiner Mantras ist, fühle die Gefühle, die du fühlst, wenn du diese Gefühle fühlst. Was bedeutet, dass Gefühle flügelig sind.
Und wenn sie flügelig sind, wenn wir verstehen, dass sie flügelig sind, und nur, weil ich es für einen Moment behalten muss, bedeutet das nicht, dass ich es für immer behalten muss. Weil ich bereit bin, für etwas zu passieren, das mich ausdrücken wird. that is going to make me pivot, but at that moment, that's why I'm doing this.
Yes, I'm doing it for the money, but I'm also doing it to go, I'm going to connect with you and feel what you're feeling in that moment and pivot in that moment.
Und wenn du nicht verbindest und du nicht den Pivot verabschiedest, den konsistenten Pivot, dann verlierst du. Ich spreche darüber immer, dass die Möglichkeiten des Lebens nur im Leben von der Gelegenheit oder der Gelegenheit zählen. Weil es gehen wird und es wird pivoten. Du sprichst von Übungen in deinem Buch. Und ich habe Zugang zu deinem Buch und ich war durch diese.
Können Sie Menschen durchlaufen, etwas, was sie tun können, auch wenn sie gerade nur zuhören, oder dich und ich nach und nach beobachten? Was sind einige der Übungen, die Sie durchlaufen, die Menschen dazu bringen, okay, I get it. I have to know how to connect. I've never been able to do that. For whatever reason. They grew up and their dad used to beat them with a 2x4. Or whatever their story is.
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Chapter 7: How does understanding kinesthetic response improve interactions?
Sie schwingen ihre Hand in die Luft und dann sind sie plötzlich gegangen. Aber du weißt, meine Mutter war nicht da. Und dann nehmen sie ihre Hand runter und du sagst, Mutter hat sie stoppt, dass Mutter ist, wo ich in diese Konversation gehen werde.
Ja, und ich liebe, es gibt riesige Wissenschaft. Das ist nicht etwas, das wir gerade hergestellt haben. Das ist Wissenschaft. Eines meiner Lieblingsübungen, das sie mit diesem machen, ist, dass sie eine Mädchen nehmen. Sie haben keine Kinder, aber sie nehmen eine Mädchen, die hat eine Kuppe in der Hand und sie hat einen Papier. Und sie geht hoch und sagt, hey, kann ich dir ein paar Fragen stellen?
Und sie sagt, ja, natürlich. Sie sagt, kann ich das für mich halten? Sie wird ihnen die Kuppe geben und sie schreibt Fragen. Sie macht das in zwei verschiedenen Narrativen. Einer mit einer warmen Kuppe, einer mit einer kühlen Kuppe. Und dann, wenn sie fertig sind, geht die Person weg. Eine andere Person wird gehen und sagt, hör mal, wir haben Susi eingeladen. What was your general feeling of her?
How did you feel about her? When it's a warm cup, they're like, you know, we felt like she was warm and friendly and connected to us. If it's a cold cup, they're like, we felt cold and distant. Human beings are predictable. There are very specific things you can do.
And if you don't believe that human beings are predictable, go to any of your colleges or the library or the internet and look for behavioral science. We're very...
Ich denke, die Lektion da war, immer eine warme Kuppe zu tragen und es jemandem zu geben, wenn du mit ihnen sprichst. Ich denke, das ist eine Regel, die wir alle leben können, ist, nie eine Konversation mit einem Fremden zu haben, ohne dass du ihnen eine warme Kuppe von etwas gibst.
It's funny you bring that up. When I'm sitting down and I'm negotiating deals, if the deal gets stuck, and they're all going to know this now, but if the deal gets stuck, I'm like, hey, you know what, guys? I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm really hungry. Do you guys know what faux is? And they're like, what, faux? I was like, yeah. I'm like, can we just stop? I need to go eat.
And I will go take them for this big bowl of faux. And the deal will close at the table 90% of the time. My team knows when to do it. They're like, oh, you're going to close the deal now. Because it got stuck, and I need something to break pattern. Absolutely. It's a simple thing.
Und ich denke, eine der Dinge, eine der Wege, um das zu tun, ist sicherlich eine Improvisation, um sicherzustellen, dass es nicht so sieht, als ob du das tust. Und für mich ist es normalerweise etwas, wo, wenn du wirklich jemanden hörst, startest du, startest du, startest du, akkumulieren Inventar. Was ist es, über das wir gesprochen haben? Und das wichtige Ding ist, zu sagen.
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Chapter 8: Why is it important to meet people where they are?
Right. And you didn't say, wait a minute, Dave, I don't know what this is, Tabula Rasa. I watched you do that and I wasn't watching you. I didn't, I won't get that cue. And it's a cue, man. It's a cue. It's like in theater where you've got, in theater, in movies, in theater, in anything, you've got a cue. I say this, you say that.
But the important thing, another important thing is to go, let your partner finish what they're talking about. Und das ist auch eine große Sache. Bist du jemanden im Mittelpunkt ihrer Gedanken, weil du glaubst, dass du weißt, was sie sagen werden? Und der Beispiel, den ich gebe, ist, dass es eine Unterschiede in zwei Sätzen gibt.
Ich liebe, Pferde zu essen und ich liebe, Pferde aus Panten zu essen. Du weißt, du wirst jemanden wollen, der den vollen Stopp am Ende davon hat, um zu sagen, wie respondiere ich dazu?
Ja, und wenn jemand sagt, ich esse Paare aus Schuhen, dann sage ich, ähm, bist du okay da?
Brauchst du einen Hügel? Richtig. Ich esse Paare. Ich mag Paare. Und du stoppst sie da und sagst, ich mag Paare. Ich mag Paare auch. Es ist wie, nein, du hast mich nicht beendet. Ich mag Paare aus Schuhen. Richtig. Und dann hast du einen riesigen Zusammenhang von diesem Punkt.
Und was interessant wird, ist, dass die Leute, die das jetzt hören, werden sehen, dass du und ich uns alle die ganze Zeit unterrufen. And that's our dynamic. We can do that because we feel confident enough to say, oh, let me finish that. Let me go back to that because you've already done it a couple of times. Let me go back to that. Let me finish that.
I have something else I want to say because it's the way you and I communicate. I can't do this way of communicating with a lot of people because certain people, they don't play that way.
Ich denke auch, dass wenn du zwei Leute hast, die so viele Podcasts wie du und ich gemacht haben, wir verstehen, wie man ein Interview hat, wie man mit Leuten verbunden ist. Mein Podcast, das ich gemacht habe, und ich habe es stoppt, als ich angefangen habe, mein Buch zu schreiben, hatte ich 250 Gäste.
Und wenn ich mich wirklich überraschen möchte, würde ich zurückgehen zu der ersten Interview, die ich hatte mit Tom Dreesen. Tom Dreesen war ein Komedian, der für diesen Mann geöffnet hat, 17 Jahre haben wir für diesen Mann geöffnet, Frank Sinatra. Er war mein erster Mann.
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