Healing + Human Potential
The Future of Holistic Healing: Age Rejuvenation, Psychedelics + AI w/ Dr. Dan Stickler | EP 64
Tue, 26 Nov 2024
What if everything you thought you knew about health was only scratching the surface? In this episode, we explore how holistic treatment—not just the symptoms—can unlock your body’s full potential. If you’ve ever felt like traditional medicine misses the bigger picture, this conversation will open your eyes to a new way forward. I sit down with Dr. Dan Stickler, a visionary revolutionizing healthcare through the convergence of systems science, AI, and age rejuvenation medicine. He shares groundbreaking insights into therapies like plasma exchange, ketamine, and psychedelics, revealing how these tools can help reset the brain + body. Whether you’re curious about the role of AI in health care, exploring alternative medicine, or looking for a more meaningful way to approach wellness, this episode has something for you. === Join our ICF-Accredited Coach Certification Program, the Institute for Coaching Mastery, designed to help you become a highly skilled + confident coach at the top of your game, in any niche. Whether you’re Brand New wanting to shortcut the learning curve, or you’re Experienced looking to back higher fees with real value, we offer trauma-informed Trainings + Tools, Live Coaching, and a Customizable 6-figure + Beyond Signature Roadmap to take your income + impact to the next level. If you want to create lasting change in your life and feel confident in helping others do the same, while having a thriving business… Click this link to Learn More + Apply Today: https://www.alyssanobriga.com/applynow ✨ === EPISODE TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 - Intro 01:16 - Integration of Psychedelics and MDMA Therapies 02:54 Exploring Leading-Edge Therapies in Medicine 04:34 Apheresis: Removing Toxic Plasma for Healing 07:48 Using Ketamine in Psychotherapeutic Clinics 08:29 A Systems-Based Approach to Healing Through Medicine 17:03 The Institute for Coaching Mastery: A Year-Long Certification Program 19:24 Importance of Preparation Before and After Ketamine Sessions 22:01 MDMA in Couples Therapy: Historical and Modern Uses 27:51 Evidence-Based Medicine: Value and Limitations 32:52 Exciting and Encouraging Research in AI 34:32 Will AI Replace Physicians? Mindset Shifts for the Future 36:04 Psychedelics and Their Impact on the Default Mode Network 40:26 Supporting Integration After Ketamine Sessions 41:10 From Traditional Medicine to Health Optimization and Systems Biology 46:38 The Role of Spirituality in Health and Wellbeing 55:08 Embracing Uncertainty in Health Projects 59:22 Exploring Untouched Perspectives on Relationships === GUEST LINKS LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drstickler/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drdanielstickler/ Website: Apeironcenter.com === Have you watched our previous episode with Mark Hyman? Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hVBwVoSV5M ==== Alyssa Nobriga International, LLC - Disclaimer This podcast is presented solely for educational and entertainment purposes. It is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or any other qualified professional. We shall in no event be held liable to any party for any reason arising directly or indirectly for the use or interpretation of the information presented in this video. Copyright 2023, Alyssa Nobriga International, LLC - All rights reserved. === Website: alyssanobriga.com Instagram: @alyssanobriga TikTok - @alyssanobriga Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/6b5s2xbA2d3pETSvYBZ9YR Apple Podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/healing-human-potential/id1705626495
Chapter 1: What groundbreaking therapies are discussed in this episode?
you can't treat a human in a reductionistic way because we're a complex adaptive system and psychedelic experience helped to open up possibilities for me because i started looking at things and i was saying well what if instead of like oh there is no proof of that i've seen some stuff that has been very consistent
But we don't have the measuring tools because we don't know what frequency it is or what part of the electromagnetic spectrum is occurring. But you hear about these things. And so you say, well, what if? It's just like placebo effect. People talk about that like it's just placebo effect. And I'm like, are you kidding me? That's the coolest thing that I have seen in so long.
I mean, what is the magic of the placebo effect that it's so effective? I mean, when you look at brain mapping of people on psychedelics, there are massive amounts of interconnections being made. So the brain is communicating with areas that it normally doesn't communicate with. And it's looking for new pathways.
Chapter 2: How does apheresis contribute to holistic healing?
Today's guest, Dr. Dan Stickler, is a former surgeon turned pioneer in health optimization, leading groundbreaking clinical trials in human enhancement and longevity. He's breaking down what personalized healing treatment could look like and offering insights into how AI and emerging technologies will reshape the future of healthcare.
And so this conversation is really one that meets science and spirituality. I can't wait to share it with you. I know that we just had an incredible four days together with four other couples for this peer led mastermind, which was so beautiful. I fell in love with you and your wife and your love together and the work that you guys are doing in the world.
And I think you're incredibly remarkable and unique in the And you let your mind be in service to your heart. And I think that is really such a beautiful definition of a doctor to bring the balance of this work together and to treat the whole person. And so thank you for being here, first off. So grateful.
Chapter 3: What role does ketamine play in therapy?
Well, thank you for that beautiful introduction. I mean, I'm used to people running through credentials and all of that, but I love that. That was perfect.
Yeah. Yeah. And I'll share more of the credentials beforehand. And I know my audience is going to be really curious to hear about some alternative forms of and modalities of healing that you guys are working on. I'm curious, what are you working with and how is that really?
We try to delve into all of the leading edge types of therapies that are out there, even the ones... You have your evidence-based stuff, but you have stuff that you know you've seen work. Anecdotally, there's common sense behind it, and yet there's not the science to support it.
I think a lot of it is that we just don't have the available testing that can measure the responses that you get from it. I mean, just... A lot of stuff with like yoga and meditation. I mean, for years, everybody knew it worked. But how do you quantify that? And then comes along epigenetics.
And then we have scientific evidence that says, oh, okay, yes, we do have the scientific evidence that it works. And I think a lot of the modalities that we look into are the ones that are the meditation of 20 years ago prior to that. So we'll do a lot of work with that. We work with a lot of IRBs, so Institutional Review Board studies that are early access to IRBs.
Different forms of testing, different forms of intervention that we feel might be promising for moving forward. And so we'd like to really stay on that leading edge of the new and exciting therapies that are out there.
Yeah, and what are some examples of some of the therapies that you do?
Like we've been doing a lot of apheresis, which is the removal of a liter of plasma.
I did that, and I loved it. I'm going to come to your studio and your center and do it on Monday because I love it so much. All right. I felt so cleansed and clear after doing that. So just removing that old plasma, I've only done it once, but I'm a big fan.
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Chapter 4: How is AI reshaping healthcare?
Chapter 5: What is the significance of MDMA in couples therapy?
So we're taking older individuals, especially individuals with early dementia, and And we're replacing their plasma with this young plasma. We take off 40% and we give them one, two, or three liters of this young plasma. I mean, it's very impressive. And again, we can't say anything about it because it's a study in progress. And I just say anecdotally, it's pretty impressive right now.
That's exciting. Yeah. And I also know you guys do alternative forms of medicine in terms of, I think you work with ketamine, is that right?
Right. We do ketamine therapies in the clinic. Not so much from the psychotherapeutic standpoint. Most of our ketamine therapies are... designed around where people are waking up, and they're going through some existential crises. You know, what's it all mean? Why am I here? Is their purpose to any of this? And we can help guide them through that process with the ketamine therapies.
And that's been really rewarding.
And are there other modalities that you guys work with as well?
So we take a systems-based approach and that has been the key differentiator for us in the outcomes that we see. We look at the human organism as a whole and not as these individual puzzle pieces that we have to put together. You know, the people that are experts in the heart, people that are experts in the liver, and that's what they focus on.
But that's not the way the human system actually exists. We are a whole system. And so when we approach things, we want to assess where the whole system is in this moment in time. So we collect as much data as we can on an individual basis. We're getting extensive amounts of blood work. We're getting QEEG brain maps. We're getting psychophysiologic stress profiles.
So we see how their autonomic nervous system responds to five different stressors and does it return to baseline. Full-body MRIs, coronary CT angiograms, I mean, P300s on each individual. microbiome, full genome. I mean, I could go on and on with this, but it's a massive amount of data points. And we look at how all of these interact to create the wholeness of the system.
It's just like, you know, if you have somebody come in and they're early insulin resistance, they've got a little bit of high blood pressure, great deal of stress in their job, the traditional treatment is, okay, let's put them on a medication that lowers their glycemic response, let's put them on a blood pressure medication,
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Chapter 6: How can spirituality influence health and wellbeing?
Chapter 7: What are the limitations of evidence-based medicine?
So we take a systems-based approach and that has been the key differentiator for us in the outcomes that we see. We look at the human organism as a whole and not as these individual puzzle pieces that we have to put together. You know, the people that are experts in the heart, people that are experts in the liver, and that's what they focus on.
But that's not the way the human system actually exists. We are a whole system. And so when we approach things, we want to assess where the whole system is in this moment in time. So we collect as much data as we can on an individual basis. We're getting extensive amounts of blood work. We're getting QEEG brain maps. We're getting psychophysiologic stress profiles.
So we see how their autonomic nervous system responds to five different stressors and does it return to baseline. Full-body MRIs, coronary CT angiograms, I mean, P300s on each individual. microbiome, full genome. I mean, I could go on and on with this, but it's a massive amount of data points. And we look at how all of these interact to create the wholeness of the system.
It's just like, you know, if you have somebody come in and they're early insulin resistance, they've got a little bit of high blood pressure, great deal of stress in their job, the traditional treatment is, okay, let's put them on a medication that lowers their glycemic response, let's put them on a blood pressure medication,
When you look at it and you say, okay, well, this is a business executive that's working 50 hours a week, 60 hours a week, catching flights to different time zones at regular intervals, eating –
eating fast food when they can get it, getting stimulants like caffeine and all this, staying up late, going out to social dinners and drinking, giving them medication to lower glycemic response and the blood pressure medication.
It's only going to do so much.
Yeah, it's probably not going to do much there. So what we have to look at is, you know, what's their motivations?
you know why are they coming in for this how can we you know we could give them a list of a diet this is the diet you should eat okay well how are they going to do that when they're traveling like this and so you've got to look at all of these factors that will drive them to make the changes that they want to make but feel like they're incapable of doing because of the requirements of life
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Chapter 8: How do personal experiences with psychedelics shape healing?
Oh, interesting.
And it gets locked in there. That's why the medications aren't that effective with it. But what happens is when we take like a tryptamine, like psychedelics, or even MDMA will slightly disrupt this.
Ketamine does a really good job of it, but it will temporarily shake up that riverbed and the rocks get dislodged and they're trying to fall back in place, but the brain all of a sudden has this option to look at alternatives. to that pattern. Is this the best pattern? Is this working for me? And those rocks settle back in.
Some of them are going to go back into their same positions, but others are going to say, wait a second. Maybe this is a better way to look at things. And this is what we see. I mean, these default mode patterns that people have, they suddenly change after a psychedelic experience.
This is exciting because then that means that after having a ceremony or a journey, then having any type of session afterwards, then you're way more easily to be reprogrammed. Is that right?
Yeah, and Nicole Dolan did a lot of work with MDMA on this where she found – so we have this social reward window development. And this comes online I think around age nine and then kind of shuts down in the late teens, early 20s. So we're basically learning our social – that are going to kind of lock in on us. And that window of plasticity closes down.
And what she was finding is that a single dose of MDMA reopens that social reward window for up to two weeks where you have the neuroplasticity reprogram that social reward system.
That's exciting, especially if we've been in some really deeply ingrained patterns to be really intentional to reprogram those ways of being afterwards and to question our beliefs or to use affirmations or to change the environment that we've been in.
I just think about even subtle things like shifting where you sleep and where you work and just making some changes so you don't go to sleep in those old grooves.
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