Habits and Hustle
Episode 407: Michael Chernow: How to Build a Lasting Marriage, Break Free from Addiction + Why Morning Routines Matter
Tue, 17 Dec 2024
What does it take to turn life's darkest moments into stepping stones for success? In this Habits and Hustle episode, I talk with entrepreneur Michael Chernow, founder of Kreatures of Habit, to discuss how structured routines and intentional habits can transform lives. We dive into Michael’s journey from addiction to becoming a successful entrepreneur, devoted father, and advocate for healthy living. We also discuss intentional parenting, the power of morning and night routines, and the vital importance of asking for help. Michael Chernow is a transformative figure in entrepreneurship and wellness who turned his life around after battling addiction in his early years, achieving two decades of sobriety through commitment to positive habits and routines. As a restaurateur, he co-founded The Meatball Shop and founded Seamore's in New York City, scaling both concepts to six locations each, while also creating Kreatures of Habit, a lifestyle brand focused on optimized nutrition and apparel. Beyond his business ventures, Chernow is deeply committed to helping others transform their lives through fitness, nutrition, and mindset coaching, hosting The Kreatures of Habit podcast where he explores the daily habits that drive success. What We Discuss: (05:03) Nurturing Marriage Through Routine and Affection (16:15) Nurturing Intimacy Through Communication (25:09) Embracing Fear for Freedom (29:27) Developing Courage Through Commitment (33:57) Transforming Life Through Fitness and Commitment (39:33) Overcoming Addiction and Pursuing Success (42:24) Surviving Childhood Trauma and Abuse (55:57) Exploring Childhood Trauma and Healing (01:07:06) Teaching Values and Parenting Strategies (01:19:14) Morning Routine and Gratitude Practice (01:26:12) The Importance of Asking for Help …and more! Thank you to our sponsors: AquaTru: Get 20% off any purifier at aquatru.com with code HUSTLE Therasage: Head over to therasage.com and use code Be Bold for 15% off TruNiagen: Head over to truniagen.com and use code HUSTLE20 to get $20 off any purchase over $100. Magic Mind: Head over to www.magicmind.com/jen and use code Jen at checkout. BiOptimizers: Want to try Magnesium Breakthrough? Go to https://bioptimizers.com/jennifercohen and use promo code JC10 at checkout to save 10% off your purchase. Timeline Nutrition: Get 10% off your first order at timeline.com/cohen Air Doctor: Go to airdoctorpro.com and use promo code HUSTLE for up to $300 off and a 3-year warranty on air purifiers. Find more from Jen: Website: https://www.jennifercohen.com/ Instagram: @therealjencohen Books: https://www.jennifercohen.com/books Speaking: https://www.jennifercohen.com/speaking-engagement Find more from Michael Chernow: Website: https://www.michaelchernow.com/ Podcast: Kreatures of Habit Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/michaelchernow
Chapter 1: How can routines strengthen a marriage?
Not hot air. Can I curse on this thing?
I don't know. It depends on what you're going to say. Shit. Full of shit on that one. It is not full of shit. If you remember correctly, it was the same guy that did your podcast who filmed that. Remember, Mike, my normal person was not available. Yeah. And we had to use that guy that you used on your podcast who also didn't do the colors well.
And the color correction was... You know, we can point fingers all day here, Jen. But...
Speaking of, I actually have really been interested in this.
Okay, hold on. I want to put you on video. I'm going to take a little social media video. What did you say, Michael?
I've been really interested in this stuff, and I don't do caffeine anymore, anyway. And so I've got a buddy who was telling me about this that you actually introduced me to. Who was your buddy?
Who was it?
Gosh, his name is Greg. Greg Link. Greg Link. oh my god right and so he told me about he's been like telling me about magic mind and now i see it here so let's see i mean i am typically good at this shit podcast stuff hey shake it do you shake it it's delicious should i shake it just shake it this is actually my favorite shot it's great for your brain focus and being alert so here we go hmm
Oh, that is good.
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Chapter 2: What role does communication play in intimacy?
Yeah, it's a good one. It's a good one. All right, let's go. All right. Now you're going to be super sharp. I am. All right. I'm not, but that's besides the point. I've had five of those already today. Wow. Yeah, not five. I've had two. And I think two is enough. I think having more than two is kind of- I just thought that's my second. Overkill. Yeah, but I'm also drinking coffee.
And I'm also, because this is my fifth podcast today. Yeah, I don't normally do that many, but I make an exception when you come to town.
I actually do that every time. I do every single time I shoot podcasts, I line up like four to five. And I feel like for me, for whatever reason, like I feel like, I get better and better as it goes by. Even though I'm tired, I just feel like my flow is kind of there. And I just dig.
I see that. I feel like when you're tired also, your inhibitions are a little bit less. So like you'll say things more freely. You don't give a shit as much.
You look so fit right now.
I do. Right this second?
Yeah, you just look fit. You look like strong. You look good.
Like this moment.
Right now. I noticed that as soon as I saw you, I was like, wow, Jen looks good. Fit, strong.
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Chapter 3: How can fear lead to personal freedom?
Wow. Thank you. You mean when you walked into my house or just right now as I'm sitting in this chair?
No, when I walked into the house, I noticed it. And not that you aren't normally, but I was like something, I feel something. I feel like maybe she's doing something a little different. She looks strong and fit. You just look good.
Thank you. That's so, coming from you, who is the fittest. We're playing footsie. No, are we hitting on each other?
I compliment her and then she starts playing footsie with me.
Chapter 4: What strategies build courage through commitment?
If I didn't know any better, no, I'm joking. Coming from you, that's a very big compliment because you know how I feel. Michael, by the way, not to like make everyone vomit on this podcast because of the compliments back and forth, but Michael really is the fittest person you've ever seen in your life. He has like a 12 pack.
No.
Yeah. And he has amazing style. And if he was single, I'm telling you, I would be basically throwing you out to every single lady possible because you're so cute. He's very happily married. So back off, ladies.
I just did a post about how important routine is in a marriage.
Chapter 5: How can fitness transform your life?
Really?
Oh, yeah. I just did. I think it's so- No, no.
I think it is. But you just posted that just now?
Literally a second ago.
Okay. Why? Why did you post that?
Because I've been trying to share a little bit more, like when I'm thinking about like how I can be a value to other people, I'm thinking through like things that have like uniquely kind of, made me a better person. And routine, everybody hears the word routine and they're like, oh yeah, morning routine. What's my sleep routine? Routine is typically like a solo mission, right?
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Chapter 6: What are the keys to overcoming addiction?
Like this is my routine. Speaking of, there's my wife. However, routine also can apply to relationships, specifically marriage, right? And there's, you know, we have friends that we've talked to and look, I don't want anybody to feel bad about this. I don't know if this is what you do.
So anybody listening don't like kick yourself in the ass for this, but there are friends of ours that like just totally split up at night. So, you know, one of them will stay on the couch and watch their show. You know, the other one will go into the bedroom and like read and watch or watch their show. And like someone will fall asleep on the couch. The other one falls asleep in the bed.
And in my mind, I'm just like, that is a routine, but it's not a healthy one. Right. And so for us, and I think this is probably just because routine has been such a huge part of the foundation of my success and everything that with my marriage, like we have like a, like from six o'clock till lights out, it's a routine and it's not like robotic, but it's,
Chapter 7: How does childhood trauma affect adulthood?
We do the same thing pretty much every single day when I'm not traveling. And I fucking love it.
What's the routine?
Six o'clock, we have dinner every night, like clockwork.
The family does.
The whole family sits around the table and has dinner every night. I get home, I pull into my driveway at like 5.55. I do like a little, I know this sounds kind of corny or whatever, people roll their eyes, but I do a little breath work real quick just to like buffer my insane entrepreneurial, like savage thinking head into, oh wait, no, I'm actually a dad and a husband first.
And so I need that sort of little three minutes of like recalibrating. And then I pop into the house at like 5.58 and at six o'clock dinner's ready. And Donna's like an amazing cook. And so we sit down around the table. We all have dinner together every single night. And then after dinner, it's typically like some games with the kids or we just hang out until like 7.30, 7.45.
And then either Donna will put the kids down or I put the kids down. We go back and forth. And then right when we're done with that at like 8.15, the two of us cuddle and watch a show. And we do that until 9.30 and then we go to bed. And like
it's also the other really important piece of that that i think is so small however incredibly significant is touch your partner as often as you can like i make it my i i it is something that i'm cognizant of and i do it purposefully because it me it's important to me but like when i'm sitting next to my wife no matter where I am, I've got my hand on her leg. I've got my hand on her arm.
I've got my hand around my arm around her. I'm holding her hand. I'm touching her. And it doesn't mean that it's like, it's not like some like, you know, freaky deaky shit. It's like those little things. We're together almost 20 years. We're married 17 years. So like that long relationship, that long, like you can easily forget that shit. Like that, like,
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Chapter 8: What parenting strategies instill values in children?
And I think you need to be very, not you, everybody, but you have to be very cognizant and intentional of how you have a relationship just as you would of how you want your career to go. And I think you're right. People do end up forgetting. or prioritizing and taking for granted because it's just available and it's done, right? Like the goal is, oh, let's get married and have a kid.
Okay, well, then you have that. And it's like, okay, you don't date your partner anymore. Dating becomes very frivolous. Like you don't do it anymore. You do it before you get married, right? And so they always say like, you have to like, don't freak, like you still need to date your partner even when you get married, even more important, right?
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
So can you give me a couple other things that you do routine-wise to kind of keep the fire and keep the marriage intact? Yeah. Because that's a really smart one, the hand situation, the connecting thing or like hugging or touching. Because you're right, like I think people, one sits on one side of the couch and the other sits on the other. And then you go to bed.
Right. Yeah, I think... I mean, the elephant in the room, right? Like, long-term relationships, it's no surprise that, like, the sex is not nearly as intense as it was for the first two to five years, right? Specifically the first two years.
Yeah.
You know, like, you're, like, you're just ferocious and wanted, like, wanted all the time.
Most, I mean, sometimes. I mean, yeah, but you're right. Exactly. I mean. It does die out.
If there is a sexual chemistry between the two of you, and there is between Donna and I, however, like anything, once you get used to something, it's hard to keep it exciting. It's hard to just be like, I can't wait. Totally. But... A few things. One, I will say, for us, communication is just even more important than routine. Communication is paramount.
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Chapter 9: Why are morning routines crucial for success?
For instance, we were just on vacation for two and a half weeks. And when you're on vacation with someone, with kids, you're 24-7 together, and it can get tough. There are going to be moments where she gets ticked off at me, I get ticked off at her. We're together, there's no running, there's no escape, so you just got to go and battle.
And there was a couple of those, and I think that's also healthy, but I think when you feel something in your gut or your sternum or your chest that is making you just uncomfortable about your partner, whether it's something that they're doing that's annoying, whether they say something that you don't like, It's important for me, speak for me, to just voice it like right then and there.
And I know going into it, I'm like, hey dude, this is a 50-50 chance where like you are either gonna get into a fight that's not gonna be fun or you're gonna be able to somehow just like talk through this. But dude, if you hold this back, there's a good chance that it's going to explode in three days and no one's going to want to be around you, specifically the family.
So I'm very cognizant about being, I call it like upfront in your face communication because it's just like, it's not fun. It's like extreme closeup shit. You just got to do it. You have to do it. And I think it's so important. But going back to the sex piece, you know, I think sex,
having sex is so important and it's not about like, like if your relationship is built around your sex life, long-term you're fucked in my opinion, right? Like it can't be that, like it's gotta be way more than that. But understanding what time of day, especially when there's kids involved, young kids, like you have to be, you have to just like, Get it when you can.
But I also think that like, if you guys can figure out, and again, this requires conversation and communication, figure out what time of day works best to have sex. And then boom, you got to commit to once a week at minimum, right?
Is that what you guys do? You have like a time of day?
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Chapter 10: How important is it to ask for help?
No, we don't we don't schedule it or anything like that. But like, I wake up mega early. I just do. And it and it's and it's kind of great because the kids also wake up mega early. But I choose one day every like one day a week when I wake up early and I'm just like, boop, boop, boop. You know, and nine out of 10 times I get the green light and that, and that's it. And it's, and it's awesome.
And it's, we laugh about it, you know, because like that's, but I think.
What did you wake up in the morning now?
Like 5.15. It's kind of like when I'm at, when I always wake up 5.15.
Okay, kids wake up early though too now.
Our kids wake up now at like 6.30. So, but I still, again, like back to the routine piece, like my morning routine is super important to me. And it's not like, I don't hold myself to like this crazy thing anymore necessarily. Like I used to have this really... long drawn out thing specifically in COVID to like keep me from going absolutely crazy. Like I built this like crazy structured thing.
And I still, when I, when I want to do it, I do it. And when I don't, I don't. Sometimes I'll work out now. Sometimes I'll do the sauna, cold plunge, red light thing. Sometimes I'll just do prayers and pushups, you know, but like morning having a, some sort of a plan in the morning for me that gets me going, that like fires up my engine is super important.
So wait, let's just stick with the relationship and then I want to get to the routine. Because the routine is a really good piece of like your routine. I love it. And so I don't want to like, I don't want to like kind of just like go, you know, pass by it. That's a whole other section of this podcast, in my opinion.
So then you're saying if you have sex at least once a week, even if it's like routine, like you just said, like beep, beep, beep, you feel that that at least keeps you in a connecting place. And it's very, very important. Is that your...
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