Habits and Hustle
Episode 403: Cathy Heller: Why Women Should Embrace Wealth and Live in Possibility, not Probability
Tue, 03 Dec 2024
Are you living in possibility or probability? In this Habits and Hustle episode, I am joined by Cathy Heller as she shares her incredible journey from struggling artist to successful entrepreneur and author. Her story is a testament to the power of living in possibility rather than probability. We dive into her new book Abundant Ever After and discuss the importance of taking action, being resourceful, and embracing an optimistic mindset to achieve one's goals. We also discuss the stigma around women and wealth, encouraging listeners to unapologetically declare their desire for financial abundance while using it to make a positive impact. Cathy Heller is a renowned teacher, podcaster and author. She hosts one of the top spiritual podcasts, Abundant Ever After, which has been downloaded more than 45 million times. She’s a practitioner of the law of reception, and has a deep understanding of the universal principles of manifestation. Check out her new book Abundant Ever After. What We Discuss: (01:07) Friendship and Support in Success (05:01) Exploring Jewish Manifestation and Energy (11:20) Changing Energy Through Mindful Awareness (19:31) From Record Deal to Music Licensing (31:02) Breaking Free From Past Trauma (36:54) Optimism, Wealth, and Transformative Courses (45:03) Female Entrepreneurship and Authenticity (57:42) Balance Between Spirituality and Action …and more! Thank you to our sponsors: AquaTru: Get 20% off any purifier at aquatru.com with code HUSTLE Therasage: Head over to therasage.com and use code Be Bold for 15% off TruNiagen: Head over to truniagen.com and use code HUSTLE20 to get $20 off any purchase over $100. Magic Mind: Head over to www.magicmind.com/jen and use code Jen at checkout. BiOptimizers: Want to try Magnesium Breakthrough? Go to https://bioptimizers.com/jennifercohen and use promo code JC10 at checkout to save 10% off your purchase. Timeline Nutrition: Get 10% off your first order at timeline.com/cohen Air Doctor: Go to airdoctorpro.com and use promo code HUSTLE for up to $300 off and a 3-year warranty on air purifiers. Find more from Jen: Website: https://www.jennifercohen.com/ Instagram: @therealjencohen Books: https://www.jennifercohen.com/books Speaking: https://www.jennifercohen.com/speaking-engagement Find more from Cathy Heller: Website: https://www.cathyheller.com/ Book: Abundant Ever After Podcast: Abundant Ever After
Chapter 1: What is the journey of Cathy Heller?
And it's just like this like very beautiful, generous heart. Like most people, look, most people have like a competitive vibe. Yeah, true. I feel like you and I are just like so happy to see each other just like in your light, thriving. And you do that for me.
Thank you. Always. Okay. Well, this is, okay. I'm glad that that's a great segue into what I was going to say about you because A, you're right. I'm very proud of you.
Yeah.
Kathy is, wait, what? Okay. I don't even know where to begin. So Kathy is very talented and it's true that where you've come from where you were is extraordinary. Same. Thank you. This girl, when you say habits and hustle, the word hustle personified, the
funny thing is if you know Kathy and her and her work and what she does she's all about like like I said like sugar and sweet and manifestation and abundance her new book of course is called Abundant Ever After of course she's that girl who typically you know I I'm not into that like that like yeah I know like be present and all that kind of thing but
You do it like that, but inside you are the most resourceful. So resourceful. Such a driven, ambitious soul. And what you've done and how you've kind of evolved and elevated over the last God knows how many years I've known you is incredible. Literally astounding.
That's so incredibly kind. I fully receive it. I feel like I'm getting like electricity running through me, just being in your presence and hearing all those nice things. And it is really special when someone's known you the whole journey because you see the person continue to reach for who they really are. And it's really cool. And I've watched you do that too. And that's really amazing.
I think one of the reasons, and we'll talk about it today, why I get away with that with you, like the manifestation-ish sort of spiritual, like... the ease of the flow rather than the pushing is because I think you know from where it comes and you understand on some level, there's like a sincerity to it with me of what it really means to me.
And I'm going to explain it to you so that your listeners hear it. But my word for and my paradigm for how to manifest is through a Jewish lens. And Judaism is really different with what we would call the law of reception, which is what Rabbi Aaron says that's like really Jewish, than Judaism. probably what's out there in the zeitgeist about most of what people hear about the law of attraction.
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Chapter 2: How does Jewish manifestation influence wealth?
He's from Chicago. We talked about the Midwest. He's really interesting. We talked about the last good book we read. And then he gets up. It's like 45 minutes later. And he's like, I'm going to go back in there. I'm going to meet you. He hands me his card. He was the head of Apple Podcasts. I love that. He is now such a good friend of mine. And of course, he then featured me on Apple.
Of course, he then took me to New York to the podcast Upfronts. And then, yeah, a lot of good shit happened. But my point is, I know it sounds woo, but when you every moment, instead of thinking someone has the power that you don't, keep choosing yourself. You already won.
Even if he didn't walk in, even if I didn't get featured on Apple, even if Steve and I never had become friends, it wouldn't matter. It just wouldn't matter. What mattered is that I knew enough to say, this is me losing my power all of a sudden. Trying to meet the right person who can do it for me. No one can do it for you. That's what I'm saying.
I'm clipping that. How long is that? Because that's going to be the longest clip ever. It's what? Five minutes? Damn. Okay, well, I'm going to try to clip it because that is such a great story, Kathy. And this is what I'm saying. You have good energy because you bring it. You are so passionate about And you can feel it's true. To wrap it all up, the truth is you can feel the authenticity.
You're not sitting there bullshitting it. This is who you are. And that's why so many women love you and come to you for these courses or whatever you want to call them, these courses.
programs programs because like it's infectious like you give people you you make people feel like they actually have the power we do have the power and you know wrap it up the way i wrapped up what's in this book at the end i was like how am i going to close this book and i think you'll appreciate this i may have even shared this with you esther young rice who's another holocaust survivor it was such a powerhouse like it's amazing she used to speak i think on the upper west side once a week i think a thousand people would come to the synagogue to hear her she was incredible
And she said to me something just magnificent. She said her favorite prayer in all of Judaism is that in the morning blessings, which admittedly I don't do them, but I have seen this in the Siddur, so I know it's true. There's a prayer to be like a rooster. And she said it's her favorite prayer.
And she said when she was in a concentration camp, before she parted ways with her family, her father said, never forget that prayer. It makes me cry. Be like a rooster. So there she was in a concentration camp, her head shaved, be like a rooster, be like a rooster. She didn't really know what that meant. And years later, get this, she was called, George W. Bush was president.
He was going to Yad Vashem, which is a Holocaust museum, for those who don't know, in Jerusalem. He invited her to be his guest. So she gets on Air Force One. They go to Jerusalem and they have a great time and they're flying back on Air Force One. And she fell asleep and she woke. Well, he tapped her on the shoulder and he said, do you know where you are? And she's like, no.
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Chapter 5: What does it mean to embrace wealth as a woman?
It's like, what if you could just have some distance from your thoughts and And then the trick is, who am I really? Because I'm not my thoughts. And when you really find this center part of you, there's a part of you that has equanimity, wisdom. It has a capacity to just see for miles and miles, right? And so...
And that's what you start to do is you start to realize you are outsourcing your well-being all day long to what's going to happen, who you'll meet at the DMV, what good thing will happen. And when I teach people to meditate and they start to feel good again, they start to feel peace and equanimity and the lightness of being and their heart open and all that. It feels so freaking good.
I'm like, if you could feel that good. and give yourself less cortisol in those moments, which is good for you biologically, why would you wait to maybe feel good today as opposed to like plugging in, plugging in, right? That is how you start to feel better.
So it's funny because we say the same things, but we use different words to kind of get to the same, I guess, the same goal, right? I agree. What I hear you say is people need to take action. They have to do something different than they did before. Exactly. To change their state of being. Right. And so. Yes, yes, yes. Right.
So like if it's meditation for some, like I am someone who really believes that you don't need, I mean, I'm not, I can't meditate to save my life. I've tried a hundred times. It doesn't work for me in that way.
But what I realized over many years of like beating myself up for not being able to sit in the om position and try to feel my heart or whatever the wording is, my meditation is going for a run. Totally. Right? Because it quiets everything around me.
First of all, meditation has been such an abused word. That is meditation. The definition of mindfulness, right? And meditation is a byproduct of being in a state of mindful awareness, is having your own attention. Right. So a lot of monks, their meditation is making sand art. They say that an adult coloring book is a form of meditation.
There's no such thing as beating yourself up that one version of meditation doesn't work for you. I also don't want to sit and breathe in and breathe out and say a mantra.
Also, the other thing that's really cool about what you and I, I think, are more drawn to is when people are in flow state, when Tom Petty was writing a song, let's say, he's in a meditation because what they've come to find out from the science of the brain is like when you're in a creative low. you are in the present moment, right? You and I are not people that overthink things.
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