Global News Podcast
'Peace must not mean a surrender of Ukraine,' Macron says after talks with Trump
Mon, 24 Feb 2025
The French and US Presidents met to discuss the war in Ukraine on the third anniversary of Russia's invasion . Also, the UN Security Council backs a resolution calling for an end to the conflict.
Chapter 1: What are the key discussions between the US and France on Ukraine?
This is the Global News Podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Bernadette Keogh, and in the early hours of Tuesday 25th February, these are our main stories. On the third anniversary of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the US and French presidents discussed the conflict at the White House.
At the UN, the US has joined Russia and North Korea in voting down an EU resolution which condemns the invasion and backs Ukraine's sovereignty. The man poised to become Germany's next Chancellor, Friedrich Metz, says defence, the economy and what he called the unresolved issue of migration are among the key issues facing a new government.
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a potential breakthrough for people with spinal cord injuries. And the singer Roberta Flack has died. When he was last in office, President Trump considered his French counterpart Emmanuel Macron as one of his closest allies in Europe. Their friendship was on display again at the White House when Mr Macron became the first European leader to meet Mr Trump there since he returned to office.
The French president's priority was to find common ground with him on ending the war in Ukraine and ensuring that Europe plays a role in any negotiated peace with Russia. President Trump said that he wanted a deal with President Putin as soon as possible.
We're working on deals right now, transactions right now, and in particular the big one is to get the war stopped, whether it's ceasefire or direct to an agreement. I'd like to go directly to an agreement, but ceasefire will always happen a little bit quicker. And every day you're saving thousands or at least hundreds, but thousands in some cases, lives. So we want to see if we can get that done.
Up until President Biden left the White House last month, there was little sign that America or Europe was willing to try to end the war in Ukraine anytime soon. But President Macron said that so much had changed since Mr Trump took office that it was time to speak to Mr Putin.
I stopped my discussion with President Putin after Bucha and the war crimes because I considered that I mean, we had nothing to get from him at the time. Now there is a big change because there is a new US administration. So this is a new context. So there is good reason for President Trump to re-engage with President Putin.
Listening to both presidents was our reporter in Washington, Bernd Debusman.
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Chapter 2: What is the UN's stance on the Ukraine conflict?
Everyone should fight, except the sick. Because if everyone had done that from the start and not hidden, we would have had peace for a long time already.
For Ukraine, it's an impossible balance. You have the not wanting tens of thousands of deaths to be for nothing versus not wanting the losses to continue. Now US President Donald Trump has turned Western support on its head. His labelling of President Zelensky as a dictator, blaming Ukraine for the war, suggesting Russia has all the cards. They all represent a realignment, firmly with Moscow.
And Oksana is baffled.
Some people don't understand us, so they listen to Russia's position, but many people understand us. I have many friends from Europe that support Ukrainians.
Pushing his pram is Misha. Now, he's exempt from military service because of his IT job, but still feels disappointed in Donald Trump.
I'm not a warrior, I'm a civilian, but the people who are protecting my life, the life of my kid, it's unfair to them in the first place. We feel bitter, but we also need to persevere, even if the world doesn't support us as it did, I don't know, a month ago.
There is no doubting the yearning for peace in Ukraine. But if Donald Trump does not provide security guarantees to prevent Russia from invading again, then according to soldiers like Dymko, a ceasefire would not mean peace.
I'm a drone pilot in the Unmanned Systems Forces. I fly drones for Ukrainian army. What impact has all of the politics had on you personally as well as your comrades? To me personally, it doesn't change a thing. I am still willing to defend my home. I know that if the United States will pull out all of the aid that they give to us, it's going to be just more deadly.
But we are still going to stand our ground, still defend our home, still defend our family.
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