CNN host Jake Tapper's book, Original Sin, co-authored by Alex Thompson, describes a president who struggled to function: "One person told us that the presidency was, at best, a five-person board with Joe Biden as chairman." Tapper spoke with Terry Gross about moderating the disastrous Biden/Trump debate, George Clooney's op-ed calling for the president to drop out, and the White House's "cover-up" about Biden's decline.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy
Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this episode?
Chapter 2: What devastating news has President Biden received?
This is Fresh Air. I'm Terry Gross. Joe Biden got a lot of devastating news over the past few days. On Sunday, it was announced that he has an aggressive form of prostate cancer that has metastasized to the bone.
The audio was released of his interview with Robert Herr, the special counsel investigating the classified documents found in Biden's home, garage and office after leaving the White House. The transcript had previously been made public, but on the audio, you can hear how difficult it was for Biden to continue a train of thought, complete a sentence or remember basic facts.
The House Oversight Committee opened an investigation into a cover up of Biden's cognitive decline. There's also been a lot of advanced coverage of my guest Jake Tapper's new book, which was published today. It investigates how Biden's inner circle of advisors and his wife, Jill, tried to keep his physical and cognitive decline as hidden as possible.
It's titled Original Sin, President Biden's Decline, Its Cover-Up, and His Disastrous Choice to Run Again. Tapper is CNN's chief Washington correspondent and anchors two shows. On weekdays, it's the late afternoon show called The Lead. On Sundays, it's State of the Union, which is also anchored by Dana Bash.
The book's co-author, Alex Thompson, is a national political correspondent for Axios and a CNN contributor. Thompson broke several stories regarding Biden's health. Tapper has interviewed Biden many times, dating back to when he was a senator. Along with Dana Bash, he moderated the 2024 debate between Biden and Trump, which was disastrous for Biden. We recorded our interview yesterday morning.
Jake Tapper, welcome back to Fresh Air.
Thank you so much. Great to be here.
I'm really sorry, as I'm sure are you, to hear the news about Biden's prostate cancer. Does it make it awkward for you to criticize him now at this moment?
The story that we wrote, Alex Thompson and I, about President Biden's decision to run for re-election despite serious questions about whether he was up to doing the job, and then as he deteriorated a bit physically and mentally, the attempts to hide that as much as possible from the public, and even from people in the White House and cabinet officials and the like, is a tragedy.
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Chapter 3: What does Jake Tapper's book reveal about Biden's cognitive decline?
They were telling that to Democratic insiders and people raising millions for the party and Democratic members of Congress, their own cabinet, White House staffers who were being cut off, not given access. Everybody was being told the same thing. So when he came out on that stage that night, June 27th in Atlanta,
I admit, I was shocked, not by his gait, and then he had a cold, obviously, so his voice sounded even thinner and readier than ever, but his inability to form a coherent thought his inability just to articulate why he should be president of the United States.
And whether people like it or not, that's part of the job is explaining to people why they should support you and why they should get behind you.
Did it make you think like you needed to like change your questions at all since he was unable to respond to them? But it's your job to ask the questions. So like, did it throw you off as the moderator?
It didn't throw me off. I did wonder if he was going to make it through all 90 minutes. My general philosophy with debates is you work for weeks on the questions with a huge team. You go through practice debates. You go through run-throughs. And then you just basically have to stick to the script. That's how I look at it. So I wasn't going to do anything. And also, it wasn't my job to.
I wasn't about to call the fight. One of the things that I did do, Dan and I had iPads so that we could communicate with the control room during the debate. We could write on it and people would see it in the control room. And during that first really rambling answer, really disturbing, I wrote, holy smokes, on the iPad.
And I'm usually a little bit earthier with my language, but I didn't know who was back there. And Dan wrote me a piece of paper saying he just lost the election because when he said, we finally beat Medicare... Just the height of inarticulation.
And, you know, one top aide to Biden said to me, if the presidency is about two things, making decisions and communicating them, he always made good decisions, but he could never communicate them. And it got worse and worse. And I think the Biden team would dismiss the communication stuff as performative, like as if performing is a bad thing.
When, in fact, it's a huge and vital part of the American presidency, you know, certainly in the television age dating back to JFK.
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Chapter 4: How did Biden's inner circle attempt to cover up his decline?
Even if you love Joe Biden, even if you agree with every decision he made, I don't see how anybody can think that person that we just heard from and this interview is in the middle of the day is up to speed and up to the job of being president.
Is there anything else you hear in that that you want to talk about?
I just think that what's important to remember is not only did the White House attack Robert Herr for being, in their view, partisan or making unnecessary comments about the age. They were really lobbying before the Herr report was released. They were really lobbying hard for the attorney general to censor it, to cut it out, that one segment.
There were people in the Justice Department that read the Herr report before it came out and said, oh, my God, Robert Herr thinks that Joe Biden broke the law. But that wasn't the part of her report that alarmed the White House. The part that alarmed the White House was the description of him as a well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory.
And, you know, people can decide for themselves why that alarmed them so much when that was the exculpatory reason he wasn't going to be prosecuted. But then Biden gives a press conference that night. And in addition to confusing Al-Sisi saying the president of Egypt was the president of Mexico, he attacks Robert Herr for bringing up Beau Biden.
And he says something like, and I said to myself, how dare you ask about that? Robert Herr had not brought up Beau Biden.
If you were able to understand the words on the radio, you would have heard that part.
Yeah.
Where Biden just kind of brings it up himself.
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