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Es ist der Kultur-Podcast mit Jan-Richard Böhmermann und Oliver Mark-Schulz. Wir haben Sonntag, den 2.2.2025. Was für eine Woche liegt hinter uns? Mir zugeschaltet der Korrespondent Deutschlands, Jan-Richard Böhmermann. Einen wunderschönen guten Morgen.
Schönen guten Morgen, Oliver Mark-Schulz. Das ist die Kulturausgabe von Fest und Flauschig, das politische... Votant, today here on Sunday morning at Spotify. You catch me, ladies and gentlemen, and everyone in between and outside the time in Hamburg, the capital of the north, where also my dear, esteemed colleague Oliver Schulz was yesterday. We met in the lobby almost yesterday.
I came, you went, as so often. As it has been so often in life.
But today we have the opportunity to find ourselves together to recap a little bit of the last week. What kind of week was that? Who would have thought that Jürgen Hingsen flies out of the jungle camp first?
I thought all the time that Jürgen Hingsen was this strange financial criminal from the 90s. Jürgen Hags. I thought, how cool, what a cool move that Jürgen Haxen has, who has brought Dieter Bohlen around money and so on. But a later revenge from Jürgen Haxen, that he is now hanging in such a top format on the Bohlen-sender RTL. But then it was only Jürgen Hingsen.
Who became known because in 1988 he had three missed starts at the Olympic Games. I think in Los Angeles, I'm not quite sure anymore. And was actually the nation's Depp, because he competed against Daley Thompson, the American ten-fighter, who also won the gold medals in the end. And Jürgen Hengsen started at the 100-meter run three times too early. And that was really in the press for days.
That was the good old days, when the press worked on such topics for days.
No, that's true. But you have to keep in mind, Jürgen Hingsen, that he also won a few gold medals before. So he was, he was also a poster boy, he told it very freely. But that doesn't matter, no one knows that anymore.
No one knows that anymore, but nevertheless I think the idea is just right, that for a reminder for the next Jungle Camp issue, only criminals, German criminals, Dagobert, Jürgen Haxsen and also Loredana, she also has this rapper, who somehow withdrew her pension and so, only people with criminal past.
Schwester Ewa, I follow her on Instagram, she's also one of my happy places on the internet. Follow Schwester Ewa, it's always recommended.
Ewa, isn't your sister Ewa?
Schwester Ewa, exactly. First of all, of course, I think the whole Polish undertone is mega, it's very close to me, I know that from home. And she's just an insanely funny aunt. Yes, she has also changed.
Insanely funny. That she is now very much reflecting on her past and what she has done. She didn't have an easy life. And I've seen a few things from you too. It definitely seems to reflect. Nevertheless, it would be nice if they were sitting in the campfire, who withdrew the most money from whom. And yes, it's an idea. A criminal is already there, Micky Beisenherz.
Every time. Jan Köppen is also there. I wonder if Jan Köppen wears the jungle shirt that we sent him. We made a parody of the jungle camp in an edition of Lass Dich Überwachen and I had a shirt on. We washed it very freshly. I wrote him a card and sent it to him in the hope that he wears it in the jungle camp. I don't know if he wore it.
If you hear that now, Jan Köppen, dear Jan, we are old colleagues. Pull on the shirt and you'll get a repost from me.
I think yesterday they did a wordplay with something with chest and floor. It was only said to me, maybe not. I would be very happy. I would be happy again. It's awesome. Manipulate the jungle camp. If my music runs in the background again. They did that once. So I would just be happy again. Not at all because of GEMA or something. But once or twice it has already happened that there are songs.
Maybe they also changed the music editor. Jan, I don't know if you're watching, I'll tell you who the winner is for me, or from whom I believe that he wins. Either Pierre, the actor, who played with the old man, who is a... East past, well, east past, so the one who grew up in the east and always walked around naked, very free-spirited.
Or the one I like the most, Lilly Becker, of whom I didn't know that she is such a cool, sympathetic, reflective person. She makes a great impression on me. I don't ask myself, people, why I watch the jungle camp. I am forced, these are structures that I cannot influence. So, just to say that briefly, I don't switch it on anyway.
The great power of Olli Schulz ends at the podcast microphone. As soon as the microphone is off, he is a completely normal person like everyone else, completely free of power and determined to be foreign.
That's exactly how it is. Jan, let me briefly at the beginning, because I wanted to share my anger about a vacuum cleaner manufacturer with you.
What kind of agenda are you talking about today?
There are things that I didn't work off last time. Before we get to the very, very big topic, I have to talk to you about it. I actually did two years ago, exactly two years and a month ago, because many people told me, it costs a lot of money, but get yourself a Dyson vacuum cleaner.
I know exactly what's coming, man.
And then I had my dear good old ex-girlfriend, who lives with me, who visited me. I don't want to say the sum, but I thought Yes, if everyone talks about it, then it will be a good vacuum cleaner. And it was really exactly two weeks after the warranty expired, that shit went to hell and is now standing here in the corner. I don't have a vacuum cleaner. I'm here like a messi, really.
It's really, immediately, the dust is five centimeters high in the whole apartment. And I think that's so mean and so shit. Then I also bought new Birkenstocks, after I wore mine for eight years. And since they are on the stock exchange, they are just ... So the quality is no longer so good. The footbed, it's no longer so pleasant to walk around in it.
And I also ask you, why has the world become like this? That nothing for eternity, except our common podcast community and our love, Jan, is nothing for eternity, except the songs for the uncles, nothing for eternity. Why is that the way it is? Why is the world like this?
First of all, so that we can better appreciate the few things that are made for longer than for two years and one day. And I think capitalism has to be kept running. Things are no longer being repaired, I also notice that myself. And it has nothing to do with more financial means than it used to be.
So back in the day, when I used to tip off my big coin box every three weeks when it was the end of the month to order pizza, because it was the only cash. And there wasn't that much on the account anymore. I could still understand that. But then I also started to not repair things anymore.
But I still know as a child, when the stereo system broke down or these big technology devices, which really cost an incredible amount of money. Today you have Sonos boxes somewhere, you buy them for 500 euros, put them there, then they break down, then new ones are bought. Because no one knows exactly how they are repaired. Also cell phones repair very few, of course only glass.
If it's broken, it's exchanged. But such things are no longer repaired and the manufacturers check it. Just think about how perverse it is that Amazon simply throws away returns or that some weird YouTubers do return hauls where they open the returns or that you can buy return boxes from Saturn because no one is interested in the things that are quasi-new, but where a plastic seal is torn open.
That's actually perverse.
That's really perverse, when you say that about the Sonos box. I was given one three years ago and then I thought, oh cool, if it works well, then I might buy two or three for the rest of the apartment. And then I already had problems to initialize them here in my WLAN. And it's just standing around now and won't be used by me anymore.
Because I also like this, if Sonos offers something, then I would like a Sonos expert to come and arrange the apartment for me.
A technician.
Extra money, technicians. And that's the big shit. That's just a very small fraction. What are we all missing in Germany? We could do the big five today.
I think we should always do the big five. But let's develop the big five things that are basically just symptoms of a galloping capitalism that nobody actually needs. A bit abstract. But something like, for example, that things are no longer being repaired. Or that you always think, there must be more and more growth. Everything must always grow.
Every year you have to earn more money than in the previous year. This whole strange Sigma-Alpha mentality somehow ...
It's exactly the same as with the iPhone. I've had the current iPhone for a few months now. It was sent to me by contract. It now has a button on the side so that you can turn on the camera directly. If I fumble around in my pants, the camera always turns on and it just annoys me.
You know, this little shit button here, it won't be there again in the next variant because enough people complain about it. But in general, it's... I think it's totally awesome. We are slaves to this shit world.
I think it's totally awesome how our careful amateurish criticism of capitalism mixes with a bit of beginning dementia. So also our old mannerisms. I don't update my operating system on the phone anymore. I still know that exactly. We have talked about it more often, like five, six, seven years ago, shortly after this Erdogan era, when I thought at some point, okay, I have other things in my head.
That I then thought, I'm not interested anymore. software version on my iPhone. And before that was the most important thing. I watched every Apple keynote. I watched what new things were coming and thought it was totally awesome.
And then it suddenly stopped and I realized, okay, now I'm slowly getting into the Olli Schulz zone of my life.
Maybe we'll do this podcast for so long until we're both like, no, I don't have that either. How is it that we give each other tips? It's sometimes a bit like that.
I wanted to call you this week, really the day before yesterday, when I drove back from Vienna, I really wanted to have such a warm, emotional afternoon, because I I was reading around and there was this Friedrich Merz-Bundestags-Shit last Wednesday. So the first of the elections with the AfD.
And then I thought, we actually have to swear that as long as we get paid here on a professional level, we'll just keep doing it until it's no longer possible. So until one of us somehow, or maybe both at the same time, like such an old married couple, within a few hours. Oh yeah. Because I feel the same way. I think it's kind of a constant.
And since we only do it once a week, I'm really looking forward to it every time.
I'm looking forward to it too.
I'm really looking forward to it. And how reliable we are. I say then, let's meet at 9 o'clock and we'll meet at 9 o'clock. That's really awesome.
Different from before. Because you too, you have to say that, you went through the different instances of Olli Schulz with me. From sleeping a little, maybe even in the evening before, with a herb cigarette, sleeping late too late. You are now completely tidy, with very good skin, as I said to you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. As Bernd Begemann once said, constant rubble increases the shine.
And so I see that here in our show. Two sad things, very briefly. One of your role models, Max Schautzer, died at the age of 84.
Yes, one of the few television moderators who, I think, spent the last 20 years of his life off-camera career to complain about him not standing in front of the camera anymore. Was that so? Yes, he complained about it for a very long time, that somehow TV moderators with 72 are no longer so asked.
Well, he died at the age of 84 and the question is again, what did he moderate again? I don't know anymore. I don't know either. Look, it's been so long. I really don't know what Max, the Monday painters or something.
No, that wasn't... Sigi Harreis.
Sigi Harreis sounds like a tenor who appeared with Jürgen Hengsten back then.
Like a state secretary in the Federal Ministry of Transport, Sigi Harreis. Because of the connection to Azerbaijan.
What does Max Schautzer have to do with it? I really can't think of it right now.
I'm googling now, attention, the boss is still googling himself, Max Schautzer.
Unfortunately, I can't google at all, because I can only do one thing at a time, either moderating the show here with you or googling and then there's a strange silence. I just noticed that his wife's name is Gundel.
I still remember Harald Schmidt's monologue. About Max Schautzer? Yes, about Max Schautzer and that he always likes to talk about, in the long monologue conferences, especially the conferences with Schmidt, Harald comes in and talks for five hours and everyone sits there and writes with him in the hope that they can use it for the show in the evening.
2004.
He also played in the theater at the Kö. He was an actor. Exactly, he was replaced. He moderated every Sunday and was replaced in 1995 by Sebastian Daile. He commented for the ORF, the Eurovision Song Contest in 1979 in Jerusalem and for the ARD, the ESC in Rome. Look, you see, that's actually one of our predecessors.
Okay, yes, yes, yes, that's all things that have been going on for a very long time.
Then he has bad luck and bad luck and problems.
Bad luck, bad luck and problems, I still know that. Bad luck, bad luck. That was such a YouTube video format before there was YouTube, I think, where such things were shown. Exactly. I remember that. You, at the jungle camp I want the most uncomfortable person and I think he's about to fly out, although I also like to watch him fascinately, is the sports moderator Jörg Dahlmann.
who brought up topics like gender or what else can you say, can you say person of color and with Pierre together, so a insanely unpleasant, but somehow also fascinating conversation, who always asks the wrong questions, is always uncomfortable, so that's really funny. He also flew out because at some point he said at Sky, he played Japan, and today in the land of sushi, that's kind of a joke.
Where you have to laugh again when you think, man, where did that come from? And then he was also extremely upset. And he's there and he's just, well, you have to say it without saying the moral coil right away. Many, especially men, are still trapped in a world from which they can no longer free themselves. Because they don't have any friends anymore who can give them a tip or something.
And they're just there. And you can't always say that everything is completely politically incorrect. You have to say, the poor guy, man, I mean, he's... He hasn't done anything until today. It's a bit tragic. It's like a movie character.
He lacks the corrective in the personal area. There are many people who struggle with it, that the world is changing and that there are things that might improve. I struggle with it too. You will struggle with it too.
We all struggle with it.
I struggle with it just as much as everyone else. Just how long it took until I understood how funny it is. So I always thought I don't gender in the show because I just use the generic feminine. So I always say only the feminine form to annoy people. Until I found out it annoys them even more. When you're gendered. It's so crazy. People are so excited about such nonsense.
And I think it's funny how people like Jörg Dahlmann, I only noticed from him, that his girlfriend was interviewed relatively at the beginning. And that she was then asked by the moderator how Jörg was like. And then the girlfriend said, yes, I don't know exactly, I've known him for two years.
There you can sense exactly in the background how it came to the fact that Jörg Dahlmann even got into the jungle, because he poured new strength into this new relationship and his new life partner. Not that it's corrective, what you do in a stable, healthy relationship, where you know each other for a long time and where you appreciate each other, but that she sees the opposite.
Look, I have this guy here, he has a loose mouth. That's my opportunity. And he probably then also goes, no, do that with the jungle. Why? Oh, you're getting 50,000 euros.
Yes, there was a poetic saying yesterday that she probably really wants to be in the celebrity world. I don't want to go any further on that. So that was also thematized yesterday.
Yes, but that too you have to be very... cold to say, that's just a category in the show business. It attracts people to fame. They often don't even know what that means. Fame or not fame, but prominence. So acquaintance. They believe that acquaintance itself is already an achievement. And they then break away from it, that when they are known, that it has absolutely no consequences at all.
That you are exactly the same person. That you only get insanely many problems. That you are no longer anonymous and on the go. That you are with insanely ... to do a lot of projections, because people only perceive you as what you look like from the outside. And then they all fall into some weird dependencies, drugs, things. It's insanely hard to stand.
And hey, this week, the big El Hotzo interview in the mirror. I think it's great, he did it. Three months later, to give another super reflected interview. with the same journalist who did the last interview, before he disappeared, for two months. I thought it was a stable affair, incredibly good, but I have to say, also there, phew.
The photos should be good, I heard. I haven't seen them yet. There is also a photo, a photo route. Speaking of photo route, before we get to Friedrich Merz, I have to say one thing. Honestly, I know it's a election campaign. I know you try to get votes. And I also know roughly what you ... I want the smallest evil, to be honest. I'm not in any party this time.
But when I see Olaf Scholz in Auschwitz, in front of the oven, this photo, it's really bad for me. I didn't even notice that. I'm on tour right now. I'm doing Olli Schulz.
I don't even notice that. You're the little rockstar and I'm the one who's trying to... Mr. Spiegel Online, send me the photos. Let's exchange roles.
Like when Heidi and Tom don't want to do the things they usually do in bed. I don't worry about them. Olaf Scholz has been photographed in front of an oven in Auschwitz.
I'm the older one of the two of us.
I have this photo here. I don't know if that's all. Of course, only people have forwarded it to me.
No fucking way. In the crematorium in Auschwitz, a very terrible place, if you've ever been there. Just that you can get the camera out of there, just for fun, that you dare to get a camera out of these rooms. Yes, it's really tasteless for me.
And Robert Habeck's other one is not that bad, but still, of course, next to the official... Walking between the barbed wire fences in the crematorium. People, people, people.
Yes, and I think to myself... People, people.
80 years after the liberation, after this really terrible, terrible time, to fight off something like that again. I think at the moment there are just a few clear statements from people who are much more important, where everyone is struggling anyway. We can maybe after the V ... I don't even feel like talking about Friedrich Merz and what he did to get into power. That's all so absurd, Jan.
Man, be glad you're on tour. I'm sitting here, watching a lot of people, a lot of people, a lot of people. And I don't even know if we react to everything.
I have to apologize briefly. I've already done it again. I should stop with this name dropping. It's such a total self-delusion. But some things just bother me. I don't have the right opinion on some things, not even on some people. Sometimes I just find it exciting. Names that linger in my head for a week. Just to put them out in a podcast.
I really don't want to make any bad judgments about very dear colleagues who all have their dignity, who make great, sold-out programs, who are super successful. I'm really very, very far away. I swear on everything. I really have a completely foreign envy. I really absolutely have no envy of anything or anything.
I'm happy about everyone who is successful and everyone who comes back after a short struggle. I have to stop this name-dropping. I got a lot of bad news.
Because I misunderstood jokes. A small part of our podcast is also that we gossip and talk about things.
But I'm sorry, I already thought I shouldn't have done it. Because it's really such a self-denial. I don't really care, but I thought it was so funny. And I just wanted to say that it's in my head. But I had no opinion and not even a point. And then I got so many emails from, well, I'm sorry. I think everything is great. I really think everyone is really good. Really, really good.
I think everyone is good.
I like them all too.
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Du, ich habe mir gerade, das muss ich jetzt noch mal, ich weiß, wir machen so kleine Themen heute, aber es gibt so Sachen, die mir auf den Herzen liegen. Ich bin in Hamburg gewesen, einen Tag vor deinem Konzert und bin gestern zurückgekommen. Deswegen habe ich weder in Berlin deine Show gesehen, noch in Hamburg. Es ist nicht so schlimm. Nein, es ist nicht so schlimm.
Doch, ich sehe es in deinen traurigen Augen. Ich habe mitbekommen, Klaas war in Berlin dabei. Das war mega. Welchen Song hast du mit ihm gesungen? Das weiß ich nämlich noch nicht.
Costa de la Vita, that's a bit bizarre, because 15 years ago, when we were on tour together, Klaas and I, at the beginning of our careers, in quotation marks, we were on tour together and we always sang Eros Ramazzotti and Tina Turner as a gag. Costa de la Vita.
Costa de la Vita.
Yeah, but Klaas is a much better singer than I am, an excellent singer. You have to say that. He has that green Mayan timbre in his voice. And he can also sing Sinatra incredibly well. If Tom Gable doesn't continue one day, Klaas Heufel can take over the tour of Tom Gable. The German Frank Sinatra is Klaas, I think.
I think so too, even if he's wearing a suit and his hair is like that.
And he looked like he had a limoncello, a yellow shirt and this new upper body. He's doing body modulation now, isn't he?
What is he doing? Body modulation. If you do something like that with the wrong chest. That's exactly what Kim Kardashian did with her ass. That's also body modulation, I think. Maybe I'm no longer up-to-date, but I said body modulation. And that's what it's called when you're looking for a new boyfriend, when you're doing your body modulation.
Psychotherapy just for the body. Klaas sang really well and then Merlin Sandmeier was there as Jonas Schulze from the Discounter and sang Party in Bildstätten with the orchestra and I have to say, that's what I'm going to clean up for you this evening. In Berlin, right? In Berlin and also in Hamburg yesterday.
But he was also in Hamburg.
Yes, because he is a resident at the Thalia Theater, he is often in Hamburg anyway. And then yesterday evening, the people are really outflipped. That was really a short Mallorca moment. The next time were really great shows. But I had in Berlin, and I have to get into the soul of the artist briefly, I had in Berlin
There was a mojo suck up, I'll call it that, a mojo damper just before the show, where things happen, where you think, where I got angry, which rarely happens, but when you're at the end of the tour, you're thin-skinned and you're broken and so on. Everyone was a little down.
I can honestly say from our experience, the longer the tour goes, the thinner you get.
And we had our collective, I don't want to say, there was no dispute or anything like that, but everyone was a little bit, on the last block before Berlin, everyone was a little bit down. The orchestra had been in the bus all the time, sitting together for too long and stuff. And then there were somehow so, so, uh, content conversations where everyone wanted to piss off, but so...
120 minutes before the show. And for me, it's really like when I go to Lorenz and pull all the plugs out of the keyboard, like 20 minutes before the show and say, okay, let's go. Because I'm really, that takes so much energy that I was really angry on stage. And then Dominik, who makes our light, said, hello at the FOH place. I went to my manager and said, something is different.
I was really angry. I got on stage and nothing was right anymore. Everything that was so fine-tuned, where you knew that everything was good, was broken in one evening. That was completely stupid.
It's always better if you argue after the show or meet up afterwards. At the end? At the end, yes. Or also after a concert. I had it once on the penultimate tour that I unfairly fucked up my drummer. He said something to me, then I locked myself in a room with the band and immediately reflected and said, you're completely right, that was totally unfair of me. And then it was good.
But if you do that before the concert, you know? If you start talking about something like that before the concert, then you take it with you on stage.
And that's the shit. Exactly. And I really took something with me on stage in Berlin. The concert was great. It was a wonderful evening. It was also full of rattle. It's just missing so cool, so 60 cards. The people were already standing in the halls. Then it would be almost impossible.
Where was that in Berlin? In the... Max Schmeling Hall.
Oh, the Max Schmeling Hall, exactly. Yeah, it was great. There were like, I don't know, 8,000, 9,000 people, so really, really full. And still it was like, you can tell people that it was a mega concert and you think to yourself, no, that was the shittiest evening of my life.
Because you have zero checks, because of course you're in yourself and you have so much to do that you don't reflect at all what's actually going on. And that's really... That's what I have with the television recording, it's always like that, that you think every week, what was going on today, that you can't calculate at all what's going on.
But on stage, when you play live, I really have to say, I don't really have it as often as you do, it's something completely different again. And that ruins the evening, it breaks everything. It's really crazy, because it's so small, it's absolutely ridiculous, it was about nothing, about absolutely nothing, but it sucks energy completely and it makes everything...
brings everything out of the imbalance.
But that's just the way it is, when you're on the road with such a big bunch of people that you see every day, sometimes there doesn't have to be a real reason. Sometimes it's just that you're too often, and we're both not the type of people who meet people every day because they like to hang out privately with other people.
And then suddenly you're in such a big group, confronted with people that you actually appreciate, but where you also notice, hey, if we were all on an island now, we would go to the Gurgel, because every person is individually arranged and also likes to be alone. And then there are these herds and group animals, that's on tour. There are technicians, you have to consider that.
The people who are on tour with you, they are not only on tour with you, they have to be on tour with the next band afterwards. So Wilko Herrmann, then I always think so, Wilko, he belongs to me, that's mine. But no, Wilko is on tour with Matzen, Wilko is on tour with you, Wilko is on tour with him and he has to do it every time.
And the people who are always on tour, the technicians, the tour managers, the merchandisers, the whole people, they have a much tougher job. They have to stand up for such an ego wanker like us. That's what you have to say. It's not just that they go on vacation, but they do one day at home with the family and then they say, all right, I'm going on tour with Scooter for three weeks.
And then they have Scooter on their neck. And then you have to have Olli Schulz. Then you have the artist who is also very special or something. And you should pay a lot more respect to those people, because they have to do with big egos all year round.
To do with difficult people. Completely right. And I'm totally surprised. And I'm such a connoisseur. I prefer to be alone before and after. And I know it doesn't always go so well. It was definitely an interesting experience. In Hamburg the next day, it was blown away. We had a soundcheck and improvised for a quarter of an hour. Jonas sent it to me today, he recorded it.
Unfortunately, I say Fritz too often. That's why I can't post the video. While we were on stage, the result came on Friday, the second vote in the Bundestag, which he lost. Tragic.
Tragic.
Sorry, we really have to... We can do it after the break.
After the break, exactly. Excuse me.
Do you want to smear a cheese bun? Me too. Come on, I ordered myself a nice last breakfast at the hotel today. And I just signed the bill. I had to start a little later, because the room service was still coming. Sorry, a privileged... Privileged dirty bitch. Dirty bitch, but today I got myself something.
And then I look at the bill and then I see it only costs 12 euros, because breakfast is a price in mind. You just have to pay for the delivery. I was totally happy. I've always seen a lot of alpaca hairstyles from people in hotels in the last few weeks, who push these breakfast trays back and forth.
These are all 19-year-olds in their second year of education, who all have these weird curly hairstyles in the front. You know, they all look like alpacas.
I was in Hamburg the day before yesterday when you played in Berlin and I completely forgot about it. I really wanted to see Tommy Emanuel for years. He's the best acoustic guitar player in the world, I'm exaggerating. Someone who can do everything. And if you don't know him and have never heard of Tommy Emanuel, then just take a look at him on YouTube, there are incredible things about him.
This man is almost 70 years old, is really a sunshine, someone who loves what he does. As a singer, he's just a middleman, he sings two or three songs at the beginning, otherwise he just plays acoustic guitar and he just plays as if there are three acoustic guitar players on stage.
One of my favorite things on YouTube, where I always come back to it, is his performance together with Joshua Stephan. You can watch it. Tommy Emanuel and Joshua Stephan have about 3.7 million clicks. And what the two do on the acoustic guitar, that's really not from this world anymore. And of course it's all a bit pretentious, but I really love the man for what he does.
He just did a big interview with Rick Beato. And everyone who has a little love for acoustic guitar music will be able to get excited about it. That's why I'm just going to put the Beatles medley by Tommy Emanuel on our Fiddy and Bumsy list. You really have to take a look at that. In addition, a singer died that I saw live on stage. A memorable performance, that was at the end of the 90s.
Marianne Faithfull died. She was a great woman. This movie Irma Palm, I think it's called. I don't know if you've seen it. A movie where she plays the grandmother of a child who died of cancer. And she has to earn money and starts, it's an English movie, starts giving hand jobs in a... I've seen it.
I've seen it.
Damals gesehen, krasser Film gewesen, schöner Film, auch so eine geile Gratwanderung, eine bemerkenswerte Frau mit einer krassen Lebensgeschichte. Und ich packe jetzt einfach mal einen Song von ihr auf die Liste. Und zwar, warte mal, was packen wir auf die Liste? Wo ist denn hier? Ich hatte doch extra was aufgeschrieben. Genau, The Ballad of Lucy Jordan packe ich auf die Liste.
Marianne Faithfull, Rest in Peace und Tommy Emanuel mit einem Beatles Medley. Das solltet ihr euch unbedingt mal anhören. Und dann habe ich zu guter Letzt noch was gehabt. Wait a minute, what am I doing here on the list? I wanted to do something else. Oh, that's what we're doing. I heard the Housemartins again from the 80s. A band that I loved a lot, an English band.
And do you remember the bassist of the Housemartins, what he became? Fatboy Slam, right? Right, Norman Cook became Fatboy Slim and started a big career. The Housemartins with one of the most beautiful songs they made, Build, I would also like to put on the list. You have a bit of colorful music. I don't know if you still hear this list or are just happy when I mention the name.
It's an old tradition with us and I would like to keep it. That's why you have three songs to listen to when you want.
I also have a nice song that has a little story. This week I did a lot on tour. I watched videos and I looked into the SNL 50s documentary series, so Saturday Night Live, this legendary, legendary... Where is it? It's at Peacock, that's the streaming provider of NBC, and I'm a member there. I can't get in there again.
Yes, I don't know when and where it will appear in Germany or if it will even exist, otherwise I'll give you my access, I'll send it to you, you have to do it with VPN.
Or if Bifi Mike listens to the show, he sent me the Insider by Michael Mann recently. So if you come there... Bifi Mike, as a torrent, this is definitely available in Germany.
There are five documentaries in between. The first four deal with the comedians and the story of the show. And there is also a very, very, very good documentation, which is over two hours long, about the musicians who were guests at Saturday Night Live. That's a live television show, always on Saturday evening, when it's season, at NBC.
It's been around since 1975 and it's so cultural, also with us. And that was, for example, I learned in this documentary, the first television show ever. ever, in which a hip-hop group has ever appeared on national television. And it's the Funky Four Plus One, on February 14, 1981, nine days before my birth. And do you know why they only appeared there?
Because Debbie Harry from Blondie, who somehow hung out in the New Yorker, in the New Yorker artist scene, just praised them in such a way, they're so mega cool, you must, you must, you must. And then, through persistence and persuasion, she managed to get Funky 4 Plus One into the show and thus paved the way for a completely new genre.
And there you see, this television show, you can also see that in this music documentary, although it's a comedy show, That's the kind of music scene it was. Because, and I have to say that, maybe it's a little secret why we understand each other so well, why we both do both, music and comedy or music and comedy use the same mechanisms.
So storytelling is comparable to writing a song, both lyrically and musically. It always depends on the timing. Energy is incredibly important. The same joke told in 30 different places comes 30 times differently, just like music pieces that you perform live. And starting with the Blues Brothers to legendary performances by David Bowie, all at Saturday Night Live.
And I'm going to do the first hip-hop song by the Fab Four Plus One. No, I'm going to do the most well-known one, so you can listen to it a little bit. That's the Joint, Funky Four. Ah, that's from them, all right. Funky V plus one. And, um, yeah, so really a really great documentary. I would wish that someone would grab it and broadcast it. I don't know, can't the ARD do it?
Can't I call the ARD at NBC?
I don't think that's all too much, because the demand is in Germany. No, but the ZDF...
is the partner of NBC. They have some kind of partnership, I know that. There are some connections. You can't call and say, hey, watch out, we're going to get the docu in our mediatheque, guys, here it is. I swear to you, that would be the bringer. And where else is that supposed to go? That's what no one else does.
Exactly. And now one more thing about RTL. I have to say that again. Tomorrow is Sunday again. Tomorrow the jungle camp will probably only run for 20 minutes, because after that American football will be broadcast again. I have to say, these American football players on RTL give me the same vibes as wrestling on bild.de. No one will see that.
I know two or three American fans are thinking, oh how awesome, but Taylor Swift is always shown here with her boyfriend. If that's the incentive, because Taylor Swift's boyfriend is American football, NFL-like, then that's just too few people, to be honest. And nobody wants to see that. Nobody wants to see this American football shit.
And I'm so sporty, I would like to watch the Champions League. But since league games are conferences with 18 games at the same time, I'm out. I know, probably the time is getting faster and faster. Everything has to be marketed, sold. And I just stand still. We also stand still for a moment, take a short break and then talk about Fotzenfritz and many different things.
In addition, I have a book tip there about which I would like to give a book tip and a few other small anecdotes. Nice that we meet again.
Yeah, I think so too, and I'm much fitter today than I was last week, because I was still pretty sick. I'm still coughing dry every now and then, but it's not a comparison. I really had the first two weeks, I came to the Cologne show, that's really bizarre, I can't remember. That's so bad on tour, after two days, you ask yourself, where did I want to go yesterday?
I had such a fever when we were on stage in Cologne. I can only remember the lights and the stage. I can't remember anything, almost nothing. That I was in a room with people afterwards. My drugs were two Aspirin Complex and two Espresso. And then it was exactly enough for two and a half hours. That was great too. But I can't remember anything. And yesterday in Hamburg, oh, I really got it.
That's why it was a great evening, because I checked everything. In the Caller Line Arena, which is now called differently, Bernd Barclays Arena. And you know who did the catering for us? Tell me. Tim Meltzer's company did catering. Really? Yes. We had our own caterer for the first time.
So normally it's like that, you travel around and there's catering on site, but of course it's comfortable when you travel with a solid team. And then Tim Meltzer's team came along. And yesterday, of course, we were in the boss's city. Was Tim there? Tim was there, but we didn't see it because it was all sweated up and I got locked in somewhere afterwards.
And then the catering boss says, yes, today there is a calf bone. I thought, okay, then there's just, I don't know, meat pieces in sauce. And then I come in there. No, no, no, not with Tim Melcher. Then I come in there and there's just a whole leg of a young cow stretched out. How nice, half of your band must have been happy about that, right?
No, and the most awesome thing was, sorry, I have to say it briefly, yesterday, My whole family was there, because it was the Hamburg show. And it was really, I have a very big family. Everyone speaks Polish. First of all, Radek came in at a barbecue and couldn't believe that all my relatives, my mother, all speak Polish. First of all, everyone spoke Polish. I didn't understand a word.
And then they have, then yesterday the entertainment chief of the ZDF was there. And then some joke figure put all my relatives in one room during the concert with the, alone, with the entertainment chief of the ZDF. Okay. And I'll put it this way, my relatives, they talk a lot, a lot.
And Oliver Heidemann looked at me and said, after the motto, I've known Jan for 15 years, but today I really got to know him. That's nice. It was really like a group shower with pants down. He knows everything now.
And then he said to the interviewer, next time you bring your family with you.
Exactly, exactly. I would have liked to have said, we only saw each other for a short time, it wasn't funny enough for me. But it was really funny because I just wanted to hug my mother. Oh God. That's nice.
We'll take a short break, then we'll talk about different things here. Also, for example, the new three question mark movie, I saw a trailer, let me just say, that's my favorite episode, the carpal dog. Have you heard the three question marks as a child? Do you know the episode of the carpal dog? The carpal dog was really the best episode, I think, of all three question marks episodes.
Together with the silver spider and the green ghost. Fluttering mummy, fluttering mummy. Naja, die war okay. Aber Gespensterschloss war auch super. Aber mit diesen Verfilmungen konnte ich nichts anfangen. Ich hab den ersten gesehen vor ein paar Jahren. Der hatte wenig damit zu tun. Und jetzt hab ich diese knallbunten Bilder gesehen. Und dann wird da so deutsche Hip-Hop-Musik.
Kann man nicht wenigstens die alte Musik von Carsten Bohn reaktivieren? Can't you at least try a little bit? Because it's just like that, it's in the heads, the pictures that created it. There must be someone at the regime who makes sure that the atmosphere and that comes across a bit. Maybe I'll just take a picture of everything, maybe it's good.
I would be happy if the K-Partner is not a disappointment. Who has already seen it, I can't even write to myself at the moment. I don't even have a chance. Write Jan Böhmermann on Instagram.
Look, I sent you something that I recorded in Leipzig. I actually wanted to post it, but I didn't do it because it fucked me up.
And the mystery burger?
McDonald's, I'm kidding, Burger King has now passed the three question mark film start, the three question mark mystery burger. Guys, at Burger King, all burgers are mystery burgers.
Yes, really, say that again. Always. I swear to you, I drive when I'm hungry, and even if you're a vegan burger, I never stop at Burger King. It was really Günter Wallraff who made it with this RTL documentation, even a year later, where they went there again, and it was just as disgusting.
And it's just like that, you drive past this Burger King, this store, and there's nothing going on at Drive Now, there's no one left. That's really... I always think, what's keeping them alive? Probably they also get money sponsored by American Football, like RTL, so that these burger booths are still there. I can't imagine anything else.
Bivy Mike, if there's already a partner dog, please send me a stream. That would be great.
This week the BKA closed crack.to. Hey, it can't be that... After 15 years. Exactly, and the best thing is that the BKA is now destroying the pages and that now the cybercrime unit is closing down on pages where I was last time 12 years ago and closed down some cracks. If I know the pages that are closed, then you're way too late, guys, to be honest. No, and besides that, we've already won.
You're too late, you're too slow. We're going to take a short break now.
We're going to pause for 45 minutes, Jan. Yes, come on, we're really going to pause here and I'm going to put a Mystery Burger in here from Burger King. The three question marks, Mystery Burger, dude. What kind of weird marketing strategy is that?
Mystery Burger.
See you soon at Fest und Flausch, today on February 2nd, 2025.
Where is the latest shit? Where is it? Where does it happen? Where is the merger? Where is the fashion? Where is the music? Where is the architecture? Where are the magazines? Where is the inspiration? Where is augmented reality? Where is it all? Where are the Oculus Rift glasses? Where is the merger? Where is the fashion? Where is the music? Where is the architecture? Where is augmented reality?
Where is it all? Where are the Oculus Rift glasses? Where are the magazines? Where is the inspiration?
Yes, where is the inspiration? Is it still at Fest und Flauschig? Is it somewhere else? Here are Olli Schulz and Jan Böhmermann on a holy Sunday. We are in two different cities, at two different places, but mentally, intellectually and spiritually we are as always every Sunday at one place, namely here at Spotify.
With you together. We are a big family, the big podcast family. Jan, very briefly asked, you just said we should do this until we are old, until one of the two dies or we both die.
Well, I wouldn't say it's death or illness, that we stay healthy and happy for a long, long time, but I think I had a really warm attack this week, I almost called you and thought, no, you're on the road, you have private things, I don't want to disturb you with my sentimentality, but that we, because I also think, okay, we're now at Spotify, exactly ten years this year.
We've been at Spotify for 10 years.
I think we started in 2016, right? Yes, 2016. In the 10th year.
We will definitely be at Spotify for 10 years at least. Who knows what will come after that, if something will come after that. But then I thought, we are actually independent of our sales partner. I think we've been at Spotify longer than anyone else except Daniel Nicolodion. He was there on day one. He was on the merch boxes when I walked into Münzstrasse.
Are you sure he was there on the first day?
100% Daniel is the one I walked into when I walked in there personally with my Radio 1 t-shirt at Spotify and said, here, I'll take it off, give me another t-shirt. And Daniel was already there. He still looks so young. Yeah, he's still in his early 20s. I think he was 13. He was still a kid back then. He did a school internship back then.
And they just had a shortage of alternatives and gave him the same fat job at 12. He's definitely still there.
So we're still there. Otherwise, we've seen people come and go. You really have to say that. So we went in and out. We've already been in Los Angeles, in Detroit, in Chicago with some people who have now moved on like a caravan to the next streaming service.
We did that, but Elon Musk was still long-term radical. So it's...
We have not only experienced thousands of radicalization processes of prominent personalities, but also the change of leadership a lot. The cool thing is that sales platforms come and go. Paramount Plus is gone again. Disney Plus will be put together again at some point. Did I cancel Disney Plus? With Amazon Prime or Netflix. Dude, give me a full sack, I want to see everything.
With Amazon Prime you have to pay money so you don't have any monthly advertising. Yes, fuck you all, dude. Fuck you all. Honestly, first offer something here and then do shit again. That's also the course of things. Now I'm thinking about it, but it costs so much money. There are a lot of movies that I want to see at MUBI.
Is that called Mubi? Is there a Podimo subscription included?
No, but Mubi shows the art and art films and art house things and also a lot of things that I like. For example, I'm a big fan of Beatrice Dahl, a French actress, who really knows a lot of obscure films, actually only. She became known with Betty Blue in the 80s, a film that I saw with my first girlfriend in the Abaton cinema at the time.
And the flakes in my head, these pictures at the end of this film, who is also considered very limited in the meantime, I think, but I have followed her since then and have seen many films of her. She has a, so the German, oh, let's do that briefly. Can we take a quick look at the German Wikipedia article by Beatrice Dall? Can you call her up for a moment? Beatrice...
Beatrice und Dalle geschrieben, D-A-L-L-E. Vielleicht, ich weiß gar nicht, ob dir die bekannt ist. Ich hab die immer... Ups, jetzt klingelt hier auch noch ein Wecker. Die ist mir sehr, sehr für ihre ganze Radikalität immer sympathisch gewesen. Also pass auf, Beatrice Dalle.
Aber jetzt pass auf, ganz kurz muss man sagen, mehr reißerischer als dieser deutsche Wikipedia-Artikel, weil die hat ganz viele tolle Sachen gemacht. Es wird ihrer Person nicht gerecht, aber trotzdem, ich find die eine sehr bemerkenswerte, schräge Person. Lies mal ganz kurz ein bisschen was vor, das ist nicht so lieb.
At the age of 15, she moved to Paris and lived there in the punk scene. She lived in the punk scene.
How do you live in the punk scene? I don't know who that is. That's really not about her. But let's go further back.
In 1985, a photographer published a picture of her in a magazine. After that, she was discovered by director Jean-Jacques Benet and hired as the main character of his film Betty Blue. Although she gained fame overnight, she continued her bohemian life. That's not a contradiction. Although she gained fame overnight... Yes, that's a very bad article.
And in the following years, she took on film offers at irregular intervals, without being able to connect to the initial success. She didn't want to. She took on the nickname of her first husband, Jean-Francois Dalle. Later she met the French rapper Joey Star, who, as she lived on the street and was drug-dependent, was a loving relationship.
On January 3, 2005, she married the ten-year-old young man who was arrested in prison for rape and rape of freedom. In 2013, she was fired from him because he had repeatedly raped her. Who could have seen that coming? In 2013, she agreed to have beaten men herself in an interview. I raped pretty much all of my fiancés. Okay, if I didn't like something, I just slapped him right in the face.
Later, she had a long relationship with the 32-year-old young right-wing extremist Paul Bichet Gallo. Then she was sentenced to Paris for theft of jewelry in 1992. In 1996 she paid a fine of 20,000 francs for drug use. In 1999 she was taken to Miami in possession of cocaine. She was taken to Miami in possession of cocaine?
Yeah, how bad is that? Wikipedia, what's going on with you? I wonder too. But you have to read the end again.
In January 2019, that's what you mean? At the beginning of 2016 she explained in an interview in her youth that she ate a piece of the ear of a corpse with her friends while working in a corpse hall. Whatever, the guy didn't complain, he doesn't even know that I ate his ears. Yes, it's so crazy.
She has really done a lot of weird things. Whoever looks at her Instagram page, sees that she now sees herself as a protected and as a representative of Kurt Cobain. She says that she, the spirit, she is absolutely possessed by Kurt Cobain. The former singer of Nirvana, who blew her brain out with a straw in 1994. And there are also some of her K.I. recordings where they kiss.
So she's really someone who can't be touched. Still, she has an incredible amount of ... There is a film with her that says she plays the mother of a son. He is so radical and the son is violent and she tries to establish contact with him. It's about a single mother. The film was so anti-substantial. I think it was even called punk. I'm not quite sure what it was called. I saw it years ago.
And that's all such a bad, actually tearful, just on your scandals thought text. And who wants to deal with it a bit, there is at Arte, what's the matter with Beatrice Dall? There is a very nice summary of all her films. And that makes you much more fascinated. I just wanted to say briefly.
say that Wikipedia is not always just awesome, but also sometimes really focuses on things that represent you so and so. But we had that recently with the right-wing extremists, this podcast that I haven't heard of yet.
Sockenpuppenzoo, Sockenpuppenzoo, yes, highly recommended. And where we're at right now, sorry, also with my Wikipedia entry, I don't know who writes there, but it's a bit like there are some journalists from the Kronenzeitung on it, who use Wikipedia to somehow politically... Your political agenda. You can't just write things in because an article catches your eye. Everything has to be in there.
Either everything or it has to be shortened a bit. There are 70 prizes missing again. That I once ate from a foot is not in there either. I ate my foot off a corpse. It's not in there. Why is it in Beatrice Dall's room? I ate a Kite Coil last night.
The movie with the mother is called really Punk.
Yes, 2012. Punk. Super movie. So please give me a Wikipedia entry of Beatrice Dall and if you are there, please also briefly update mine a bit. And really try to get the right-wing extremists out of the article. Check it out, read it through, it's really interesting. But we were actually standing there, that I actually wanted to promise you that we are detached from our partners with whom we walk.
I think the core is... That's already, without jokes now, now watch out, now it's getting a bit pathetic, because I've never worked with someone for so long, so long. It always happened sooner or later. Me neither. There was always this group dynamic, that it was always thrashed apart, or you then realized that the other or the other is pretty much in the core and that somehow doesn't work.
And that I, well, we're both pretty much through, but just so that we can stand it. And I find that, that's totally rare, you have to be careful about it, I think.
Yes, it's a little treasure, and we can see if we don't have our own channel afterwards. And I would also like to have my own streaming service. Oh yes, great, great, very good idea.
That's certainly organized quite quickly and easily.
I'd like a little book recommendation before we get to a bigger topic. I also have a book recommendation, you do yours first. When I was driving to Hamburg, I needed a car, so I got a share now, so share. Yes, she loves me, I want... Also so'n Wagen, die man mit ner App sich holt und damit bin ich dann zum Bahnhof gefahren. In diesem Wagen. Do you believe in love after love?
Do you believe in love after love?
Sorry. Miles, car rental, just quit. Call yourselves MILFs. Honestly, it's everywhere. You can't stop that thing anymore. Besides, it makes a whole new name. And in the meantime, everyone got used to it. They made a statement at some point, please stop scratching the E at the bottom, that it says MILFs. What should people from abroad think who come to Germany or something like that?
What should they think? And I tell you, it doesn't give a shit, a lot of people laugh about it. The world doesn't always have a stick on its ass, as you might think. Just call yourselves in MILFs. Honestly, also now not because of the sexual overhaul, but everyone has brought the joke now. Everyone does it. Even I have scratched it off a few cars. No, I'm not kidding. But I want to say with that.
Hört auf, jetzt heißt der Wagen, das heißt jetzt Milfs. Das ist gut. Und ich habe jedenfalls ein Auto gehabt, macht das Auto auf in Reinickendorf. Und derjenige, der das Auto vor mir hatte, hat ein Buch vergessen. Auf dem Beifahrersitz war noch der Karton. Er hat es gerade aufgerissen, niegelnagelneu. Und ich habe mir das angeguckt.
Auf der Rückseite ist ein sogenannter Quote von Joachim Meyerhoff. Der schreibt, was für ein Debüt. Immerzu möchte man diese Eva gleichzeitig würgen und küssen. Sie geht mir nicht mehr aus dem Kopf. Ich habe vorgestern angefangen, dieses Buch zu lesen. Es ist von Angela Lehner. Die ist, glaube ich, Österreicherin. Ja, das Buch heißt Vater Unser.
Handelt von einer Frau, die durch eine Verkettung von unglücklichen Umständen in ein Wiener... Ich lese mal hinten den Text. In die psychiatrische Abteilung eines alten Wiener Spitals... And the first pages are so awesome and thrilling and so funny and pointed that I'm 100% sure that the book will read me through to the end in the next few days. I'll give you a detailed review.
I've never heard anything from Angela Lehner, but I have to say that I think that's great. I think she's already written a second book. I have to google everything, look it up, but it starts so well. But what kind of awesome...
What a great story, how a book recommendation comes about. There was a book in the rental car on the passenger seat.
Exactly, there was this book and that's really, I have a very, very good feeling about this book and would like to ask you to get it. But if you read the book by Angela Lehner, I've read 25 pages, I'm still a fan now, Vater Unser, her debut novel, and I don't care if it's Joachim Meyerhoff, who also thinks I'm really cool.
Joachim Meyerhoff, really, I look out the window, on the intersection, down at the Alster, there I met Joachim Meyerhoff the last time he was in Hamburg on the e-scooter.
I was on the e-scooter, and he was on foot, and I was like, hey Jan, hey Joachim, and he was like, oh, I always drive around with that thing, everyone thinks it's really embarrassing, and I was like, yeah, me too, and then I met him down there, he was sitting down there.
He hasn't written a bad book yet either. I don't know, you probably haven't read anything about him. But when will it be like it never was? I think it was his debut, too. I don't know if it was his debut. That's also, that's absolutely got me. And in general, he has such a great way of writing. I don't have to say that I don't like actors so much. I actually know him more as a writer.
I wouldn't know a movie where he participated, although he is definitely an excellent actor, if he can write so well. But his books are really mercilessly good. But I think it's good enough for him, he doesn't have to be applied now. But Angela Lehner ... Angela Lehner, what does that mean good?
Father Unser. Father Unser. I would like to conclude with a second literature recommendation for this week. It's about the debut novel of the internet phenomenon Kurt Prödel, or rather it's not an internet phenomenon, but behind it is of course a insanely smart young author. I'll read it briefly. Is he still that young?
He's not that young anymore and accordingly his first novel, first novels always autobiographical, a coming of age story and tells the growing up of a young man. No, a young man of his generation between online and offline world. The novel is called Klapper and the esteemed Benjamin von Stuckrad-Barre writes the following on the book.
Kurt Brödel's traveling debut novel tells of this so special time in which we are looking for ourselves to find the world instead. And suddenly someone is dead and childhood is over and that you still have to laugh on every page of the book is of course also very cool. Und es geht eben um einen jungen Sommer 2011, der 16 ist und zwischen Computerwelt und realer Welt hin und her switcht.
Zitronen-Eis-Tee-Counterstrike-Kollega-Punchlines. Klapper erzählt von Freundschaft und davon, wie anstrengend das Erwachsen zwischen Online- und Offline-Realitäten ist. Ich habe das Buch noch nicht gelesen, weil ich diese Woche da die Energie nicht zu habe. Caroline Wahl schreibt, so berührend, so lustig, so absurd und so gut geschrieben, die Geschichte ist ein Schatz.
And I just want to recommend it unreadingly and I got it sent to me. Is it one of the screenshots? It's one of the screenshots. But really, you have to say, everything these three people touch, both Susi and Dax and Kurt, is to be supported.
Apart from their music, everything they do is awesome.
And you know, music is like jokes. It's absolutely a matter of taste.
Absolutely, which was not a matter of taste, but really an absolute misstep, because Friedrich Merz, who tried to find a transition with the AfD, to come to power, and it was really a nightmare, or rather, it was actually not surprising when you looked at the last few years, what Friedrich Merz has done, and how much he just fights for the Chancellor title, I'll say that, like Diego Maradona back then for the world championship title, it was really unbelievable, and then to say again and again, I'll just start directly, Jan,
We will not work together with the AfD. After he only got enough votes with the AfD to pass a new law, it is really absolutely absurd. We just talked about it briefly in the break. I'll tell you one thing anyway, that he couldn't get through that now is a short small partial victory maybe.
And the feeling that there might still be enough people, but it's not the people, it was the Bundestag that voted. And I'm really scared about the 23rd vote, because I know that there are enough people out there who think very populist and say, now I will vote for the AfD. I also believe that we here in our podcast don't have any listeners who have to change their mind or anything else.
I think we have a stable audience of people, but there are a lot of people out there, your relatives, for example, or friends, acquaintances, distant ones, who think the same way. Now I ask you, as a great sociologist of our time, what can we do, Jan?
So first of all I want to start with the self-quotes. I wrote on June 26, 2023 at Mastodon, Friedrich Merz, so one and a half years ago, Friedrich Merz wears exactly the right mixture of idleness, thin nerves, desire for recognition, hunger for power and indifference in order to lead the CDU in coalition with the AfD as chairman. As for the topic, I don't know much about politics.
If you think about yourself, in the end it's a matter of human knowledge. If you are reasonably good at appreciating people properly, then you also know what Friedrich Merz is up to. And you seem to me a bit like a poker player who sits in a high stakes game and has a 2 and a 7 on his hand and just plays like he has two aces and there are two aces. And the game is actually already after the
The first opening of the three cards went completely for him. And this week, if at least something had gone wrong, if at least something else had gone wrong than the pure show effect. Because even, there were two votes this week. On Wednesday there was an application, that is, an application or a request to the federal government.
The Bundestag urges the federal government to act politically in these and those points. That was nothing more than a wish, a wish from the Bundestag to the federal government. absolutely not legally binding, so a show entry anyway.
For this show entry, which has absolutely no legal consequences, to buy the approval of the AfD, of the right-wing extremists, to open it up and say, so they vote now, who of course were happy like the Snow Kings. You look at the voting result here, the only ones who cheered are the dirty fascists on the right side of the parliament, the people who do not even care ...
who had to do nothing for it, who had to do nothing for it, because simply Friedrich Merz, and that is of course the great failure of the traditional parties, that there is now such a character and I wonder why the CDU, there are also a few reflected, still good people in the team. To be honest, it's not always bad to be conservative.
There are enough people who have looked at Friedrich Merz over the years and said, no, this shouldn't be our next chancellor candidate like the last few times before. There has to be someone who is a little more stable in his attitude and is not so biased to become chancellor. I think that's the bad thing.
I think the big personal injury for Friedrich Merz First of all, the fact that he was flogged twice by a woman, in brackets, Angela Merkel. The day after that, she immediately reported to the word, also pressed him again. But politically, he sees himself in a crutch and really believes that the Union is too liberal, too much in the middle, under Angela Merkel.
And that's why the AfD could arise from the right of the Union. According to this logic, he says, we have to become more right-wing again to make the AfD smaller. Of course, that doesn't work at all, because if you say, I do what the AfD does, then of course the people don't vote for you, but directly for the AfD. People who think that's good.
We have already discussed this a thousand times, a thousand times smarter people have already discussed it. All research indicates that if you speak the rights out loud, the rights will become stronger and not the party that speaks the rights out loud. And then they really managed to get this five-point plan through, which brings absolutely nothing.
And then the next day he noticed, I was on the day when that happened, on Wednesday, I drove from Vienna to Berlin. I drove right in front of Konrad Adenauer's house, in front of the CDU headquarters. Huge demonstration. Everything was full of bulls, all side streets were blocked. When did it happen that after a parliamentary decision, people were so upset?
And I was there, there were no left-wing extremists, there were normal people, friendly atmosphere. There were just people who said, are you crazy? Who somehow lost the last bit of hope to bourgeois parties, who really... For a tactical maneuver that doesn't even make sense. Even the AFD has asked themselves. There are voices from the AFD who don't know what to do.
So the problem is really, it makes absolutely no sense strategically. Friedrich Merz is someone who has a bad hand in a poker game. There are three cards covered. He has nothing and he still plays on and acts as if he had the awesome ace in his sleeve. Then continue on Friday. And then it got a bit more difficult, because then it was about this, just the name, the power limit law.
What, just the name of this law, just this compositum to bring into the world, is absolutely despicable and reduces people to streams. And then it was about a law that wanted to be decided, and then that went wrong. Then he didn't get a majority for it. The law would never have, that's what you have to say, could never have been passed, because the Federal Council would have opposed it.
Also that, so a pure show-off. And now he really has two absolute fog bombs, It was an absolute debate that he had actually. And then he really leads in his speech in the Bundestag this Telegram, this Telegram myth of group rape, of asylum seekers against German women. That's really... The most disgusting conspiracy theory... Wait, why? Telegram is doing this? No, no, no.
Friedrich Merz, as a justification for why these laws are necessary, said that there would be group rapes in Germany. That would be an imminent problem. And there is neither a criminal statistic that proves this, nor is there any other evidence that this is really a real problem. This is pure fear-making. And this is really... fire-threatening, insane.
Well, if the problem is also, we had that last time, where we are actually of the same opinion, what I always have, overwhelmed security authorities, no matter if it's the SPD or the CDU, who are not supported and who are not somehow, and if the topic is not taken on by the traffic light, even in the last three years, because there are enough people out there who move this topic.
And if then either Friedrich Merz in a populist way or the SPD, I'll say, There's no reaction at all. Then it's all wrong. There has to be a way to deal with it in a healthy way. And there has to be someone who talks about it clearly and says, look, the statistics are like this and that. And of course we have to be careful with people who are conspicuous. We have to invest more money for that.
For that we need security agencies that work. And that's the big dilemma, why the AfD is getting stronger and stronger. Because there is no right way to deal with it.
You know, the principle of the AfD is to talk about a threat situation that does not really exist, which ideally relies on sins, which you can blame for, in brackets, people with migration history. Just like when you say, we have a huge problem in Germany, there are people in Germany who are afraid of the jabberwocky. We have to do something against the jabberwocky.
The problem is, there is no jabberwocky. And if you now start to pass laws against the jabberwocky, then it absolutely does not help at all. The stupid thing is, in the case of the AfD, it is not about a fictitious figure jabberwocky, but about real people, about minorities. Just like saying, we now have to limit the rights of trans people.
Because you say, I'm afraid that in my sports competition my daughter will be overshadowed by a trans woman who used to be a man and has completely different conditions and therefore wins. That's such a micro mini mini mini mini mini. It's a tiny, tiny, tiny problem that it doesn't make any sense at all to pass any laws because these are really micro, micro, micro cases.
And that's just the game with the fear of people. And that's what Friedrich Merz is playing with now. He's buying the right-wing extremists. And that is absolutely dangerous. And I really, I have the feeling for the first time, it's enough now with the mauling words. I think it's totally great that in the last year, obviously networks were created at the demonstrations.
That such demos, like now, today, for example, in Essen, 14 o'clock, green middle, like the whole the whole weekend. Spontaneous demo in Berlin, 13,000 people. Then on Thursday, last Thursday, in front of the CDU headquarters, that the networks from last year are there. And to be honest, that's the only thing that matters.
And I think without the demonstrations, the vote would have gone differently on Friday. Of course there are sensible people, also in the Union. And there are also insanely many sensible people who because they say, we now have a chairman, that's the way it is now.
But you could have acted earlier anyway, you couldn't have stood up for Friedrich Merz as chancellor candidate. Too late, too late.
And even the people, now really as a democrat, even the people who have agreed with the CDU are not lost souls. strategic, tactical reasons why they then agree. There are the uprights who have remained, Antje Tillmann for example, the Erfurter CDU member, who even voted against it. There are people who were not there at the second vote, Helge Braun from the Merkel faction.
But the majority, the reasonable majority, are just not in the right spectrum, not with the right-wing extremists.
Look, the other consideration would of course be, will Friedrich Merz really hold on to the presidential candidacy, to the election, or will he even withdraw next week? I don't know. In no case will he step back.
Yes, but the thing is, in the end, and that's just the shit, in the end the AfD simply wins more and more votes and stability.
And that's what worries me the most, or rather the darkest prognosis, which I hopefully don't want to have implemented into the truth, but ...
Friedrich Merz is like a poker player with a nasty blade, who plays along even though he knows from the beginning that he can't win this game anymore. But he has a pistol in his pocket and if he loses, he just shoots everyone at the table and then leaves as the winner. That's exactly the thing, that's Friedrich Merz's strategy and he's surrounded by ...
I don't know, technocrats like Carsten Lindemann, the general secretary, really someone who sits in a talk show and where there is absolutely nothing of soul, a political machine, just like Jens Spahn, of people. Also awesome, this awesome coordinated action together with the Springer media on Wednesday at the voting.
Then the initiative Neue Soziale Marktwirtschaft really coordinated with the Konrad-Adenauer-Haus, presumably, a demonstration at the Brandenburger Tor for the economy, because that's the big problem where you have to do something now. And the economy will then, if they all vote with the AfD, it will get better. Is that the idea then?
So according to the motto, we don't even have to report on the vote. We have such a little fog grenade here that our friends from the initiative Neue Soziale Marktwirtschaft with a demonstration, so that no one is interested in this disaster in the Bundestag. And then the Bild newspaper really reported on it on Wednesday.
You look at the Bild newspaper these days and you just notice the fires from all corners. The opinion is fixed before the article is written. And therefore again an appeal to people who want to inform themselves. Put on media where the opinion of the medium is not already fixed before an event happens.
I had to block it on my cell phone, Bild.de. I was told by a higher authority within the family that I should stop because it's also a reflex that you often just look up to see these headlines at all.
From a higher authority.
Yes, and they banned me now and now I had to block it. It's like that. And it's not just that I don't have social media right now, but also no Bild.de anymore.
Which is good, because it's also nonsense and yet it's always a reflex when I'm somewhere, even when I'm alone somewhere and people recognize you, look at something and then you go to Bild.de and then I ask myself why actually, because it's easy, because there are four letters and a DE behind it, I can remember.
Where is the anger, you want to know. But also a medium that makes people angry and what should excite people so that they get scared. And fear, you know, fear, completely right, everyone fears something, but fear is targeted. Fear is diffuse and you don't know what to do.
And both the Union and the AfD, as well as the Bild Springer Medien, as well as, by the way, you have to say, Berliner Zeitung, äh,
Wenn du ein Medium bist, wenn du eine Zeitung bist, wo vor dem Schreiben des Artikels feststeht, in welche Richtung der Artikel gehen soll, weil das Besitzer-Ehepaar, das Millionärspärchen, diese Zeitung benutzt als Instrument, ihre eigene Meinung in die Welt hinaus zu propelieren,
Then you're nothing more than a billionaire like the former Bild editor-in-chief, who for some Koblenzer through-the-wall Verte Union billionaire somehow makes the Hofschreiberling, makes the Hofschreiberling. It's really, go, go, look at the media where there is an opinion pluralism in the, in the editorial offices, where journalists with different opinions sit in one editorial office.
By the way, that's always the public legal roundabout. Of course, these are media like Spiegel, like Die Zeit, like the Süddeutsche Zeitung, like the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. Of course, there is also a slightly more conservative newspaper, but a lively editorial office where people are arguing about right and wrong, about truth, about loyalty to facts. That is totally important.
And away from these politicized... Um, PR media, so really, you can, in these days, look at the Bild newspaper and you know exactly why there is this publishing house. No, I don't want to look anymore.
I want to free myself from all bad and evil, that's important for the soul, because it's no use. When you look at it, you know, how many years have we been doing this podcast, 13 years, 12 years, how often do we talk about the mechanisms in the Bild newspaper, the Springer publishing house, it's a topic that always comes back. We don't have the power to turn them off, unfortunately.
Because you've already thought a few times that it might be possible at some point. But somehow they are of course so financially set up and everything around it, that you can always get upset about it. But maybe sometimes pure ignorance is just that. Pure ignorance can sometimes win, I think. And that's why I'm not reading that right now.
The people are not bad. The people are just poorly informed. Sometimes. And you can do something about it. And of course it's very time-consuming and tedious. But I really think, to be honest, That was the feeling on the stage. The times of complaining are over and you can only say, people, get organized. If you're in a union, great. If you want a party, great.
If you want to organize civically, network, great. If you get to know people in the neighborhood, you don't have to turn the big wheel. You can also make small changes. It's time to organize. And to get together and get to know each other and maybe a little bit, I'll say, to change the language, to show the little things to each other a little bit milder and to look for the big common.
But did you also look at the tact of Sarah Wagenknecht in all these situations in her speech, how she wants to keep everything a little bit open? Of course, on the one hand against the AfD, on the other hand, but then also says, of course, if no one else does it except the AfD, who else should we be? It really was such an opportunistic, calculated, bad performance, in my opinion.
Sarah Wagenknecht and her whole shitty party are supposed to go fuck themselves and I agree with Linus Volkmann, the left-wing AfD. And that's exactly what it is. You have people who have recently sat in the refugee council, who have engaged in social work and now seriously in the Bundestag, out of pure greed for power or out of, I don't know what, insane strategic reasons, Yeah. You can't.
I don't know.
How? How is that supposed to work? But everyone knows that. That's the problem. The problem is that everyone else is performing very poorly. It's a very, very difficult time right now.
The most important thing is that we... Yeah, but chill out, guys. Chill out. Don't be afraid. Don't be afraid of loud, big letters in newspapers and loud-spoken politicians. Don't be afraid. Fear is completely clear, but don't be afraid. And the only thing that helps is getting to know each other, organizing, networking, doing things together, acting.
Now we're both eating here right now.
It's very unfriendly. Yes, it's unfriendly, but it also needs energy. Let's call it a day for today. One more thing. Do you have to do something else?
I just wanted to point out something. The closing music is already running in the background. Do you remember the controversy between Magnus Carlsen and Hans Niemann? With the bad flag? Yes, with the alleged, which was never really pointed out. Hans Niemann then has Magnus Carlsen, the undisputed best chess player of our time, who is currently playing for St. Pauli. Did you notice that?
Yes, I saw that he was picked up in the club. He is Magnus Carlsen for the FC St. Pauli chess game, yes.
And then there's also a photo, I think, or somewhere where he walks around with this dead head thing. I mean, that's just a very elitist other world. I think that's somehow mega cool. I played FC St. Pauli, I played a concert in the clubhouse once, it was nice. I celebrated my birthday on October 15th at the St. Pauli game. I've always, because I grew up in Stellingen,
I also had a lot of sympathy for the HSV. But if Magnus Carlsen will play here in Hamburg again, if there is a possibility to come by, because I have been with a chess app for about three years, that's also something I would like to do with you. You don't play chess at all, do you? I played it for a really long time, for a few years.
If I send you an app and we play one move per day,
Or every two days. It's not about who's smarter or whatever, it's simply about a connection and chess is just so much fun. I really love it. And I also have phases when I'm better. I'm currently playing a lot against people I'm superior to. That's why I'd like to play against someone I think of. No, I'm really good at playing poker. We can meet there.
But chess is too exhausting for me. Poker is not my thing at all.
I'm not good at blackjack. I would like to go to a casino again. But it's always so obsessed with gambling and things like that. I was with Heinz Strunk once. He's a regular casino-goer. I've been in my life two or three times. But I like the flair in the casino. I just don't like to lose a lot of money. That's not my strength. But after this show, I'll send you an app. You download it.
And then we can talk to each other every now and then. Then you're in contact without having to write.
But isn't that enough if we just write as usual or call each other every now and then?
Let's do that. Do me a favor, too. You have to maintain a relationship and I wish I could.
I have to pack my suitcase for the last time right now, because I'm going to Essen right now. Tonight is our last concert in the Gruger Hall. We'll record on Saturday morning. And if you listen to this podcast, I'll lay down in the bathtub and calm down a bit. And the stupid thing is, I have to start working again tomorrow on Monday, because Friday is the first ZDF magazine broadcast.
I don't even have time for a tour hole or something like that. It goes on really hard. But the nice thing is to pack the last suitcase. So really now to put on the things again and then not have to go anymore. And next time I'll unpack the suitcase at home. I'm really looking forward to home. I'm really looking forward to home. I'm really looking forward to dinner tonight.
I'm going to waste the rest of my energy and so on. Everyone is looking forward to the last concert. But I'm also looking forward to the tour being over. Really, it is. I can totally understand that. I know exactly, now I know exactly why you've always been like that from the middle of the tour. Because it's just exhausting.
Yes, and you have a lot of nerves. In fact, it's like this, if we both get into each other, if you remember last year, I was always on tour. I was always on tour, I was always overwhelmed.
You're the only one who has this change of place and you always think it doesn't matter to you, but everyone who has already taken a four-hour train ride knows that it still does something to you. You're in your ass in the evening. And then you have to adjust your energy level really precisely. You're just done in the end. And I'm really looking forward to the end.
It was a really, really, really great time. Thank you very much to everyone who was there and so on.
And we'll definitely do it again. And for 129 euros you can buy the DVD at Jans' shop.
Half an hour cut. No, we have cut in Stuttgart. At the end of our ZDF Magazine season, shortly before the summer holidays, there are for everyone who couldn't be there because they were sick or didn't feel like it. Or there is the whole thing again to watch. At least a little cut. And I'm sure we'll be back, because it was really, really, really, really, really, really great. Hey, one more thing.
When I was in Vienna, I was invited by the German ambassador. I felt like a Goethe Institute student. And then I was in the residence of the German ambassador and we talked about Austria. We only talked nicely about Austria, but it was really a whole ... He had serviettes where the Bundesadler was stuffed on it. Oh. He had a serviette, there was the Bundesadler on it.
I then danced and sang in front of him. I also had a trumpet troupe with me and showed him how Germany sounds. It was a bit of a folk show. And then I drove back home in an hour. But it was very nice. It's a Bremer. The ambassador is a Bremer. That's why the connection came.
Jürgen Haxen died last year, by the way, in March. That's why I would say the show today is called Jungle King Jürgen Haxen.
Very good idea. Although body modulation wasn't bad either.
Body modulation for everyone.
Body modulation for everybody. Body Modulation for Everybody. All right, I'll write it down for you right away. How it's written, I'll write it down for you right away. Body Modulation for Everybody. Guys, that was Fest und Flauschig for today.
Thank you for listening.
Next week I'll be back in my usual studio. Olli is still in his man cave, in his studio, and we'll try to ensure a little stability, which we can ensure, like every Sunday. Thank you for tuning in. Have a nice Monday, have a nice week. Go up on the stepper, put on my pants, give your favorite man a slap.
a little bit of what I like, that's Leipzig, always hug your neighbors and network and organize yourself. It's no use.
Exactly, that's how we do it. Until next time, have a nice week. Thanks for listening. Bye. Bye.