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Oliver Mark‐Schulz

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And they're just there. And you can't always say that everything is completely politically incorrect. You have to say, the poor guy, man, I mean, he's... He hasn't done anything until today. It's a bit tragic. It's like a movie character.

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We all struggle with it.

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Yes, there was a poetic saying yesterday that she probably really wants to be in the celebrity world. I don't want to go any further on that. So that was also thematized yesterday.

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The photos should be good, I heard. I haven't seen them yet. There is also a photo, a photo route. Speaking of photo route, before we get to Friedrich Merz, I have to say one thing. Honestly, I know it's a election campaign. I know you try to get votes. And I also know roughly what you ... I want the smallest evil, to be honest. I'm not in any party this time.

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But when I see Olaf Scholz in Auschwitz, in front of the oven, this photo, it's really bad for me. I didn't even notice that. I'm on tour right now. I'm doing Olli Schulz.

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Like when Heidi and Tom don't want to do the things they usually do in bed. I don't worry about them. Olaf Scholz has been photographed in front of an oven in Auschwitz.

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I have this photo here. I don't know if that's all. Of course, only people have forwarded it to me.

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Es ist der Kultur-Podcast mit Jan-Richard Böhmermann und Oliver Mark-Schulz. Wir haben Sonntag, den 2.2.2025. Was für eine Woche liegt hinter uns? Mir zugeschaltet der Korrespondent Deutschlands, Jan-Richard Böhmermann. Einen wunderschönen guten Morgen.

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And Robert Habeck's other one is not that bad, but still, of course, next to the official... Walking between the barbed wire fences in the crematorium. People, people, people.

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80 years after the liberation, after this really terrible, terrible time, to fight off something like that again. I think at the moment there are just a few clear statements from people who are much more important, where everyone is struggling anyway. We can maybe after the V ... I don't even feel like talking about Friedrich Merz and what he did to get into power. That's all so absurd, Jan.

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Man, be glad you're on tour. I'm sitting here, watching a lot of people, a lot of people, a lot of people. And I don't even know if we react to everything.

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Because I misunderstood jokes. A small part of our podcast is also that we gossip and talk about things.

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I like them all too.

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Du, ich habe mir gerade, das muss ich jetzt noch mal, ich weiß, wir machen so kleine Themen heute, aber es gibt so Sachen, die mir auf den Herzen liegen. Ich bin in Hamburg gewesen, einen Tag vor deinem Konzert und bin gestern zurückgekommen. Deswegen habe ich weder in Berlin deine Show gesehen, noch in Hamburg. Es ist nicht so schlimm. Nein, es ist nicht so schlimm.

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Doch, ich sehe es in deinen traurigen Augen. Ich habe mitbekommen, Klaas war in Berlin dabei. Das war mega. Welchen Song hast du mit ihm gesungen? Das weiß ich nämlich noch nicht.

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I think so too, even if he's wearing a suit and his hair is like that.

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What is he doing? Body modulation. If you do something like that with the wrong chest. That's exactly what Kim Kardashian did with her ass. That's also body modulation, I think. Maybe I'm no longer up-to-date, but I said body modulation. And that's what it's called when you're looking for a new boyfriend, when you're doing your body modulation.

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But he was also in Hamburg.

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I can honestly say from our experience, the longer the tour goes, the thinner you get.

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It's always better if you argue after the show or meet up afterwards. At the end? At the end, yes. Or also after a concert. I had it once on the penultimate tour that I unfairly fucked up my drummer. He said something to me, then I locked myself in a room with the band and immediately reflected and said, you're completely right, that was totally unfair of me. And then it was good.

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But today we have the opportunity to find ourselves together to recap a little bit of the last week. What kind of week was that? Who would have thought that Jürgen Hingsen flies out of the jungle camp first?

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But if you do that before the concert, you know? If you start talking about something like that before the concert, then you take it with you on stage.

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Where was that in Berlin? In the... Max Schmeling Hall.

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But that's just the way it is, when you're on the road with such a big bunch of people that you see every day, sometimes there doesn't have to be a real reason. Sometimes it's just that you're too often, and we're both not the type of people who meet people every day because they like to hang out privately with other people.

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And then suddenly you're in such a big group, confronted with people that you actually appreciate, but where you also notice, hey, if we were all on an island now, we would go to the Gurgel, because every person is individually arranged and also likes to be alone. And then there are these herds and group animals, that's on tour. There are technicians, you have to consider that.

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The people who are on tour with you, they are not only on tour with you, they have to be on tour with the next band afterwards. So Wilko Herrmann, then I always think so, Wilko, he belongs to me, that's mine. But no, Wilko is on tour with Matzen, Wilko is on tour with you, Wilko is on tour with him and he has to do it every time.

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And the people who are always on tour, the technicians, the tour managers, the merchandisers, the whole people, they have a much tougher job. They have to stand up for such an ego wanker like us. That's what you have to say. It's not just that they go on vacation, but they do one day at home with the family and then they say, all right, I'm going on tour with Scooter for three weeks.

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And then they have Scooter on their neck. And then you have to have Olli Schulz. Then you have the artist who is also very special or something. And you should pay a lot more respect to those people, because they have to do with big egos all year round.

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I was in Hamburg the day before yesterday when you played in Berlin and I completely forgot about it. I really wanted to see Tommy Emanuel for years. He's the best acoustic guitar player in the world, I'm exaggerating. Someone who can do everything. And if you don't know him and have never heard of Tommy Emanuel, then just take a look at him on YouTube, there are incredible things about him.

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This man is almost 70 years old, is really a sunshine, someone who loves what he does. As a singer, he's just a middleman, he sings two or three songs at the beginning, otherwise he just plays acoustic guitar and he just plays as if there are three acoustic guitar players on stage.

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One of my favorite things on YouTube, where I always come back to it, is his performance together with Joshua Stephan. You can watch it. Tommy Emanuel and Joshua Stephan have about 3.7 million clicks. And what the two do on the acoustic guitar, that's really not from this world anymore. And of course it's all a bit pretentious, but I really love the man for what he does.

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He just did a big interview with Rick Beato. And everyone who has a little love for acoustic guitar music will be able to get excited about it. That's why I'm just going to put the Beatles medley by Tommy Emanuel on our Fiddy and Bumsy list. You really have to take a look at that. In addition, a singer died that I saw live on stage. A memorable performance, that was at the end of the 90s.

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Marianne Faithfull died. She was a great woman. This movie Irma Palm, I think it's called. I don't know if you've seen it. A movie where she plays the grandmother of a child who died of cancer. And she has to earn money and starts, it's an English movie, starts giving hand jobs in a... I've seen it.

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Who became known because in 1988 he had three missed starts at the Olympic Games. I think in Los Angeles, I'm not quite sure anymore. And was actually the nation's Depp, because he competed against Daley Thompson, the American ten-fighter, who also won the gold medals in the end. And Jürgen Hengsen started at the 100-meter run three times too early. And that was really in the press for days.

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Damals gesehen, krasser Film gewesen, schöner Film, auch so eine geile Gratwanderung, eine bemerkenswerte Frau mit einer krassen Lebensgeschichte. Und ich packe jetzt einfach mal einen Song von ihr auf die Liste. Und zwar, warte mal, was packen wir auf die Liste? Wo ist denn hier? Ich hatte doch extra was aufgeschrieben. Genau, The Ballad of Lucy Jordan packe ich auf die Liste.

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Marianne Faithfull, Rest in Peace und Tommy Emanuel mit einem Beatles Medley. Das solltet ihr euch unbedingt mal anhören. Und dann habe ich zu guter Letzt noch was gehabt. Wait a minute, what am I doing here on the list? I wanted to do something else. Oh, that's what we're doing. I heard the Housemartins again from the 80s. A band that I loved a lot, an English band.

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And do you remember the bassist of the Housemartins, what he became? Fatboy Slam, right? Right, Norman Cook became Fatboy Slim and started a big career. The Housemartins with one of the most beautiful songs they made, Build, I would also like to put on the list. You have a bit of colorful music. I don't know if you still hear this list or are just happy when I mention the name.

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It's an old tradition with us and I would like to keep it. That's why you have three songs to listen to when you want.

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Or if Bifi Mike listens to the show, he sent me the Insider by Michael Mann recently. So if you come there... Bifi Mike, as a torrent, this is definitely available in Germany.

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That was the good old days, when the press worked on such topics for days.

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I don't think that's all too much, because the demand is in Germany. No, but the ZDF...

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Exactly. And now one more thing about RTL. I have to say that again. Tomorrow is Sunday again. Tomorrow the jungle camp will probably only run for 20 minutes, because after that American football will be broadcast again. I have to say, these American football players on RTL give me the same vibes as wrestling on bild.de. No one will see that.

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I know two or three American fans are thinking, oh how awesome, but Taylor Swift is always shown here with her boyfriend. If that's the incentive, because Taylor Swift's boyfriend is American football, NFL-like, then that's just too few people, to be honest. And nobody wants to see that. Nobody wants to see this American football shit.

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And I'm so sporty, I would like to watch the Champions League. But since league games are conferences with 18 games at the same time, I'm out. I know, probably the time is getting faster and faster. Everything has to be marketed, sold. And I just stand still. We also stand still for a moment, take a short break and then talk about Fotzenfritz and many different things.

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In addition, I have a book tip there about which I would like to give a book tip and a few other small anecdotes. Nice that we meet again.

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And then he said to the interviewer, next time you bring your family with you.

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We'll take a short break, then we'll talk about different things here. Also, for example, the new three question mark movie, I saw a trailer, let me just say, that's my favorite episode, the carpal dog. Have you heard the three question marks as a child? Do you know the episode of the carpal dog? The carpal dog was really the best episode, I think, of all three question marks episodes.

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Together with the silver spider and the green ghost. Fluttering mummy, fluttering mummy. Naja, die war okay. Aber Gespensterschloss war auch super. Aber mit diesen Verfilmungen konnte ich nichts anfangen. Ich hab den ersten gesehen vor ein paar Jahren. Der hatte wenig damit zu tun. Und jetzt hab ich diese knallbunten Bilder gesehen. Und dann wird da so deutsche Hip-Hop-Musik.

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No one knows that anymore, but nevertheless I think the idea is just right, that for a reminder for the next Jungle Camp issue, only criminals, German criminals, Dagobert, Jürgen Haxsen and also Loredana, she also has this rapper, who somehow withdrew her pension and so, only people with criminal past.

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Kann man nicht wenigstens die alte Musik von Carsten Bohn reaktivieren? Can't you at least try a little bit? Because it's just like that, it's in the heads, the pictures that created it. There must be someone at the regime who makes sure that the atmosphere and that comes across a bit. Maybe I'll just take a picture of everything, maybe it's good.

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I would be happy if the K-Partner is not a disappointment. Who has already seen it, I can't even write to myself at the moment. I don't even have a chance. Write Jan Böhmermann on Instagram.

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And the mystery burger?

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Yes, really, say that again. Always. I swear to you, I drive when I'm hungry, and even if you're a vegan burger, I never stop at Burger King. It was really Günter Wallraff who made it with this RTL documentation, even a year later, where they went there again, and it was just as disgusting.

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And it's just like that, you drive past this Burger King, this store, and there's nothing going on at Drive Now, there's no one left. That's really... I always think, what's keeping them alive? Probably they also get money sponsored by American Football, like RTL, so that these burger booths are still there. I can't imagine anything else.

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Bivy Mike, if there's already a partner dog, please send me a stream. That would be great.

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You're too late, you're too slow. We're going to take a short break now.

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With you together. We are a big family, the big podcast family. Jan, very briefly asked, you just said we should do this until we are old, until one of the two dies or we both die.

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I think we started in 2016, right? Yes, 2016. In the 10th year.

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Ewa, isn't your sister Ewa?

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Are you sure he was there on the first day?

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And they just had a shortage of alternatives and gave him the same fat job at 12. He's definitely still there.

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We did that, but Elon Musk was still long-term radical. So it's...

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With Amazon Prime you have to pay money so you don't have any monthly advertising. Yes, fuck you all, dude. Fuck you all. Honestly, first offer something here and then do shit again. That's also the course of things. Now I'm thinking about it, but it costs so much money. There are a lot of movies that I want to see at MUBI.

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No, but Mubi shows the art and art films and art house things and also a lot of things that I like. For example, I'm a big fan of Beatrice Dahl, a French actress, who really knows a lot of obscure films, actually only. She became known with Betty Blue in the 80s, a film that I saw with my first girlfriend in the Abaton cinema at the time.

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And the flakes in my head, these pictures at the end of this film, who is also considered very limited in the meantime, I think, but I have followed her since then and have seen many films of her. She has a, so the German, oh, let's do that briefly. Can we take a quick look at the German Wikipedia article by Beatrice Dall? Can you call her up for a moment? Beatrice...

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Insanely funny. That she is now very much reflecting on her past and what she has done. She didn't have an easy life. And I've seen a few things from you too. It definitely seems to reflect. Nevertheless, it would be nice if they were sitting in the campfire, who withdrew the most money from whom. And yes, it's an idea. A criminal is already there, Micky Beisenherz.

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Beatrice und Dalle geschrieben, D-A-L-L-E. Vielleicht, ich weiß gar nicht, ob dir die bekannt ist. Ich hab die immer... Ups, jetzt klingelt hier auch noch ein Wecker. Die ist mir sehr, sehr für ihre ganze Radikalität immer sympathisch gewesen. Also pass auf, Beatrice Dalle.

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Aber jetzt pass auf, ganz kurz muss man sagen, mehr reißerischer als dieser deutsche Wikipedia-Artikel, weil die hat ganz viele tolle Sachen gemacht. Es wird ihrer Person nicht gerecht, aber trotzdem, ich find die eine sehr bemerkenswerte, schräge Person. Lies mal ganz kurz ein bisschen was vor, das ist nicht so lieb.

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How do you live in the punk scene? I don't know who that is. That's really not about her. But let's go further back.

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Yeah, how bad is that? Wikipedia, what's going on with you? I wonder too. But you have to read the end again.

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She has really done a lot of weird things. Whoever looks at her Instagram page, sees that she now sees herself as a protected and as a representative of Kurt Cobain. She says that she, the spirit, she is absolutely possessed by Kurt Cobain. The former singer of Nirvana, who blew her brain out with a straw in 1994. And there are also some of her K.I. recordings where they kiss.

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So she's really someone who can't be touched. Still, she has an incredible amount of ... There is a film with her that says she plays the mother of a son. He is so radical and the son is violent and she tries to establish contact with him. It's about a single mother. The film was so anti-substantial. I think it was even called punk. I'm not quite sure what it was called. I saw it years ago.

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And that's all such a bad, actually tearful, just on your scandals thought text. And who wants to deal with it a bit, there is at Arte, what's the matter with Beatrice Dall? There is a very nice summary of all her films. And that makes you much more fascinated. I just wanted to say briefly.

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say that Wikipedia is not always just awesome, but also sometimes really focuses on things that represent you so and so. But we had that recently with the right-wing extremists, this podcast that I haven't heard of yet.

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The movie with the mother is called really Punk.

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Yes, it's a little treasure, and we can see if we don't have our own channel afterwards. And I would also like to have my own streaming service. Oh yes, great, great, very good idea.

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I'd like a little book recommendation before we get to a bigger topic. I also have a book recommendation, you do yours first. When I was driving to Hamburg, I needed a car, so I got a share now, so share. Yes, she loves me, I want... Also so'n Wagen, die man mit ner App sich holt und damit bin ich dann zum Bahnhof gefahren. In diesem Wagen. Do you believe in love after love?

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Sorry. Miles, car rental, just quit. Call yourselves MILFs. Honestly, it's everywhere. You can't stop that thing anymore. Besides, it makes a whole new name. And in the meantime, everyone got used to it. They made a statement at some point, please stop scratching the E at the bottom, that it says MILFs. What should people from abroad think who come to Germany or something like that?

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What should they think? And I tell you, it doesn't give a shit, a lot of people laugh about it. The world doesn't always have a stick on its ass, as you might think. Just call yourselves in MILFs. Honestly, also now not because of the sexual overhaul, but everyone has brought the joke now. Everyone does it. Even I have scratched it off a few cars. No, I'm not kidding. But I want to say with that.

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Hört auf, jetzt heißt der Wagen, das heißt jetzt Milfs. Das ist gut. Und ich habe jedenfalls ein Auto gehabt, macht das Auto auf in Reinickendorf. Und derjenige, der das Auto vor mir hatte, hat ein Buch vergessen. Auf dem Beifahrersitz war noch der Karton. Er hat es gerade aufgerissen, niegelnagelneu. Und ich habe mir das angeguckt.

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Auf der Rückseite ist ein sogenannter Quote von Joachim Meyerhoff. Der schreibt, was für ein Debüt. Immerzu möchte man diese Eva gleichzeitig würgen und küssen. Sie geht mir nicht mehr aus dem Kopf. Ich habe vorgestern angefangen, dieses Buch zu lesen. Es ist von Angela Lehner. Die ist, glaube ich, Österreicherin. Ja, das Buch heißt Vater Unser.

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Handelt von einer Frau, die durch eine Verkettung von unglücklichen Umständen in ein Wiener... Ich lese mal hinten den Text. In die psychiatrische Abteilung eines alten Wiener Spitals... And the first pages are so awesome and thrilling and so funny and pointed that I'm 100% sure that the book will read me through to the end in the next few days. I'll give you a detailed review.

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I think yesterday they did a wordplay with something with chest and floor. It was only said to me, maybe not. I would be very happy. I would be happy again. It's awesome. Manipulate the jungle camp. If my music runs in the background again. They did that once. So I would just be happy again. Not at all because of GEMA or something. But once or twice it has already happened that there are songs.

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I've never heard anything from Angela Lehner, but I have to say that I think that's great. I think she's already written a second book. I have to google everything, look it up, but it starts so well. But what kind of awesome...

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Exactly, there was this book and that's really, I have a very, very good feeling about this book and would like to ask you to get it. But if you read the book by Angela Lehner, I've read 25 pages, I'm still a fan now, Vater Unser, her debut novel, and I don't care if it's Joachim Meyerhoff, who also thinks I'm really cool.

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He hasn't written a bad book yet either. I don't know, you probably haven't read anything about him. But when will it be like it never was? I think it was his debut, too. I don't know if it was his debut. That's also, that's absolutely got me. And in general, he has such a great way of writing. I don't have to say that I don't like actors so much. I actually know him more as a writer.

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I wouldn't know a movie where he participated, although he is definitely an excellent actor, if he can write so well. But his books are really mercilessly good. But I think it's good enough for him, he doesn't have to be applied now. But Angela Lehner ... Angela Lehner, what does that mean good?

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Maybe they also changed the music editor. Jan, I don't know if you're watching, I'll tell you who the winner is for me, or from whom I believe that he wins. Either Pierre, the actor, who played with the old man, who is a... East past, well, east past, so the one who grew up in the east and always walked around naked, very free-spirited.

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Apart from their music, everything they do is awesome.

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Absolutely, which was not a matter of taste, but really an absolute misstep, because Friedrich Merz, who tried to find a transition with the AfD, to come to power, and it was really a nightmare, or rather, it was actually not surprising when you looked at the last few years, what Friedrich Merz has done, and how much he just fights for the Chancellor title, I'll say that, like Diego Maradona back then for the world championship title, it was really unbelievable, and then to say again and again, I'll just start directly, Jan,

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We will not work together with the AfD. After he only got enough votes with the AfD to pass a new law, it is really absolutely absurd. We just talked about it briefly in the break. I'll tell you one thing anyway, that he couldn't get through that now is a short small partial victory maybe.

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And the feeling that there might still be enough people, but it's not the people, it was the Bundestag that voted. And I'm really scared about the 23rd vote, because I know that there are enough people out there who think very populist and say, now I will vote for the AfD. I also believe that we here in our podcast don't have any listeners who have to change their mind or anything else.

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I think we have a stable audience of people, but there are a lot of people out there, your relatives, for example, or friends, acquaintances, distant ones, who think the same way. Now I ask you, as a great sociologist of our time, what can we do, Jan?

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who had to do nothing for it, who had to do nothing for it, because simply Friedrich Merz, and that is of course the great failure of the traditional parties, that there is now such a character and I wonder why the CDU, there are also a few reflected, still good people in the team. To be honest, it's not always bad to be conservative.

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Or the one I like the most, Lilly Becker, of whom I didn't know that she is such a cool, sympathetic, reflective person. She makes a great impression on me. I don't ask myself, people, why I watch the jungle camp. I am forced, these are structures that I cannot influence. So, just to say that briefly, I don't switch it on anyway.

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There are enough people who have looked at Friedrich Merz over the years and said, no, this shouldn't be our next chancellor candidate like the last few times before. There has to be someone who is a little more stable in his attitude and is not so biased to become chancellor. I think that's the bad thing.

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Well, if the problem is also, we had that last time, where we are actually of the same opinion, what I always have, overwhelmed security authorities, no matter if it's the SPD or the CDU, who are not supported and who are not somehow, and if the topic is not taken on by the traffic light, even in the last three years, because there are enough people out there who move this topic.

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And if then either Friedrich Merz in a populist way or the SPD, I'll say, There's no reaction at all. Then it's all wrong. There has to be a way to deal with it in a healthy way. And there has to be someone who talks about it clearly and says, look, the statistics are like this and that. And of course we have to be careful with people who are conspicuous. We have to invest more money for that.

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For that we need security agencies that work. And that's the big dilemma, why the AfD is getting stronger and stronger. Because there is no right way to deal with it.

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That's exactly how it is. Jan, let me briefly at the beginning, because I wanted to share my anger about a vacuum cleaner manufacturer with you.

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But you could have acted earlier anyway, you couldn't have stood up for Friedrich Merz as chancellor candidate. Too late, too late.

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There are things that I didn't work off last time. Before we get to the very, very big topic, I have to talk to you about it. I actually did two years ago, exactly two years and a month ago, because many people told me, it costs a lot of money, but get yourself a Dyson vacuum cleaner.

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Look, the other consideration would of course be, will Friedrich Merz really hold on to the presidential candidacy, to the election, or will he even withdraw next week? I don't know. In no case will he step back.

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And that's what worries me the most, or rather the darkest prognosis, which I hopefully don't want to have implemented into the truth, but ...

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I had to block it on my cell phone, Bild.de. I was told by a higher authority within the family that I should stop because it's also a reflex that you often just look up to see these headlines at all.

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Yes, and they banned me now and now I had to block it. It's like that. And it's not just that I don't have social media right now, but also no Bild.de anymore.

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Which is good, because it's also nonsense and yet it's always a reflex when I'm somewhere, even when I'm alone somewhere and people recognize you, look at something and then you go to Bild.de and then I ask myself why actually, because it's easy, because there are four letters and a DE behind it, I can remember.

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And then I had my dear good old ex-girlfriend, who lives with me, who visited me. I don't want to say the sum, but I thought Yes, if everyone talks about it, then it will be a good vacuum cleaner. And it was really exactly two weeks after the warranty expired, that shit went to hell and is now standing here in the corner. I don't have a vacuum cleaner. I'm here like a messi, really.

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I want to free myself from all bad and evil, that's important for the soul, because it's no use. When you look at it, you know, how many years have we been doing this podcast, 13 years, 12 years, how often do we talk about the mechanisms in the Bild newspaper, the Springer publishing house, it's a topic that always comes back. We don't have the power to turn them off, unfortunately.

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Because you've already thought a few times that it might be possible at some point. But somehow they are of course so financially set up and everything around it, that you can always get upset about it. But maybe sometimes pure ignorance is just that. Pure ignorance can sometimes win, I think. And that's why I'm not reading that right now.

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But did you also look at the tact of Sarah Wagenknecht in all these situations in her speech, how she wants to keep everything a little bit open? Of course, on the one hand against the AfD, on the other hand, but then also says, of course, if no one else does it except the AfD, who else should we be? It really was such an opportunistic, calculated, bad performance, in my opinion.

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How? How is that supposed to work? But everyone knows that. That's the problem. The problem is that everyone else is performing very poorly. It's a very, very difficult time right now.

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Now we're both eating here right now.

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I just wanted to point out something. The closing music is already running in the background. Do you remember the controversy between Magnus Carlsen and Hans Niemann? With the bad flag? Yes, with the alleged, which was never really pointed out. Hans Niemann then has Magnus Carlsen, the undisputed best chess player of our time, who is currently playing for St. Pauli. Did you notice that?

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And then there's also a photo, I think, or somewhere where he walks around with this dead head thing. I mean, that's just a very elitist other world. I think that's somehow mega cool. I played FC St. Pauli, I played a concert in the clubhouse once, it was nice. I celebrated my birthday on October 15th at the St. Pauli game. I've always, because I grew up in Stellingen,

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I also had a lot of sympathy for the HSV. But if Magnus Carlsen will play here in Hamburg again, if there is a possibility to come by, because I have been with a chess app for about three years, that's also something I would like to do with you. You don't play chess at all, do you? I played it for a really long time, for a few years.

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Or every two days. It's not about who's smarter or whatever, it's simply about a connection and chess is just so much fun. I really love it. And I also have phases when I'm better. I'm currently playing a lot against people I'm superior to. That's why I'd like to play against someone I think of. No, I'm really good at playing poker. We can meet there.

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I'm not good at blackjack. I would like to go to a casino again. But it's always so obsessed with gambling and things like that. I was with Heinz Strunk once. He's a regular casino-goer. I've been in my life two or three times. But I like the flair in the casino. I just don't like to lose a lot of money. That's not my strength. But after this show, I'll send you an app. You download it.

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And then we can talk to each other every now and then. Then you're in contact without having to write.

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Let's do that. Do me a favor, too. You have to maintain a relationship and I wish I could.

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It's really, immediately, the dust is five centimeters high in the whole apartment. And I think that's so mean and so shit. Then I also bought new Birkenstocks, after I wore mine for eight years. And since they are on the stock exchange, they are just ... So the quality is no longer so good. The footbed, it's no longer so pleasant to walk around in it.

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Yes, and you have a lot of nerves. In fact, it's like this, if we both get into each other, if you remember last year, I was always on tour. I was always on tour, I was always overwhelmed.

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And we'll definitely do it again. And for 129 euros you can buy the DVD at Jans' shop.

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Jürgen Haxen died last year, by the way, in March. That's why I would say the show today is called Jungle King Jürgen Haxen.

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Body modulation for everyone.

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Exactly, that's how we do it. Until next time, have a nice week. Thanks for listening. Bye. Bye.

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And I also ask you, why has the world become like this? That nothing for eternity, except our common podcast community and our love, Jan, is nothing for eternity, except the songs for the uncles, nothing for eternity. Why is that the way it is? Why is the world like this?

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That's really perverse, when you say that about the Sonos box. I was given one three years ago and then I thought, oh cool, if it works well, then I might buy two or three for the rest of the apartment. And then I already had problems to initialize them here in my WLAN. And it's just standing around now and won't be used by me anymore.

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Because I also like this, if Sonos offers something, then I would like a Sonos expert to come and arrange the apartment for me.

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Extra money, technicians. And that's the big shit. That's just a very small fraction. What are we all missing in Germany? We could do the big five today.

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It's exactly the same as with the iPhone. I've had the current iPhone for a few months now. It was sent to me by contract. It now has a button on the side so that you can turn on the camera directly. If I fumble around in my pants, the camera always turns on and it just annoys me.

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You know, this little shit button here, it won't be there again in the next variant because enough people complain about it. But in general, it's... I think it's totally awesome. We are slaves to this shit world.

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Maybe we'll do this podcast for so long until we're both like, no, I don't have that either. How is it that we give each other tips? It's sometimes a bit like that.

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I'm looking forward to it too.

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Different from before. Because you too, you have to say that, you went through the different instances of Olli Schulz with me. From sleeping a little, maybe even in the evening before, with a herb cigarette, sleeping late too late. You are now completely tidy, with very good skin, as I said to you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. As Bernd Begemann once said, constant rubble increases the shine.

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And so I see that here in our show. Two sad things, very briefly. One of your role models, Max Schautzer, died at the age of 84.

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Well, he died at the age of 84 and the question is again, what did he moderate again? I don't know anymore. I don't know either. Look, it's been so long. I really don't know what Max, the Monday painters or something.

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Sigi Harreis sounds like a tenor who appeared with Jürgen Hengsten back then.

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What does Max Schautzer have to do with it? I really can't think of it right now.

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Unfortunately, I can't google at all, because I can only do one thing at a time, either moderating the show here with you or googling and then there's a strange silence. I just noticed that his wife's name is Gundel.

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Okay, yes, yes, yes, that's all things that have been going on for a very long time.

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Bad luck, bad luck and problems, I still know that. Bad luck, bad luck. That was such a YouTube video format before there was YouTube, I think, where such things were shown. Exactly. I remember that. You, at the jungle camp I want the most uncomfortable person and I think he's about to fly out, although I also like to watch him fascinately, is the sports moderator Jörg Dahlmann.

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who brought up topics like gender or what else can you say, can you say person of color and with Pierre together, so a insanely unpleasant, but somehow also fascinating conversation, who always asks the wrong questions, is always uncomfortable, so that's really funny. He also flew out because at some point he said at Sky, he played Japan, and today in the land of sushi, that's kind of a joke.

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Where you have to laugh again when you think, man, where did that come from? And then he was also extremely upset. And he's there and he's just, well, you have to say it without saying the moral coil right away. Many, especially men, are still trapped in a world from which they can no longer free themselves. Because they don't have any friends anymore who can give them a tip or something.