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Deadly Mirage

He Said, She Said

Thu, 19 Dec 2024

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A long journey to justice begins, and ex-lovers are reunited in a courtroom.  

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3.266 - 29.51 Josh Mankiewicz

It was Friday, January 6th, 2017, when Sabrina Limon heard the knock at her door. When she answered, she saw a group of men standing there. One had a familiar face. It was homicide detective Randall Meyer. Strong hands pulled Sabrina's arms behind her back, and handcuffs were snapped onto her wrists.

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30.757 - 45.365 Josh Mankiewicz

As soon as Sabrina's sister Julie saw Detective Meyer, she dialed Sabrina's attorney, Richard Terry, in Bakersfield. He had assured Sabrina she had nothing to worry about. Now, the cops were at the door.

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46.354 - 55.14 Richard Terry

Richard, her attorney, would tell her, live your life, Brina. There's nothing. They don't have anything. You didn't do this.

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55.761 - 75.135 Josh Mankiewicz

Just as Sabrina was being placed in a patrol car, Julie says she heard the lawyer on the phone say, don't say anything. Within hours, secrets from Sabrina's past life were once again leading local newscasts.

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75.993 - 83.516 Olivia LaVoice

It is no coincidence that Sabrina Limon was arrested just days before her former lover was scheduled to go on trial for her husband's murder.

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83.996 - 91.479 Josh Mankiewicz

That's right. Sabrina's lover had turned on her. The plea deal was announced in open court a few days later.

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91.499 - 103.383 Jonathan Hearn

The defendant, Jonathan Hearn, will enter a plea of guilty in return for his bold and truthful testimony in court proceedings involving Sabrina Limon.

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109.921 - 127.937 Josh Mankiewicz

In this episode, we'll take you inside the California courtroom where two ex-lovers were brought together again for the first time in nearly three years. You'll hear what Sabrina and Jonathan had to say about each other and about the murder of Rob Lamone.

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128.698 - 135.664 Jonathan Hearn

I did express that I had done it and that everything was about to change.

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136.42 - 142.023 Sabrina Limon

I never wanted to believe that Jonathan was the one that did this. Ever.

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143.043 - 145.164 Josh Mankiewicz

Which one was telling the truth?

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145.184 - 154.588 Judge John R. Brownlee

When you evaluate the witnesses' statements, you are allowed to take into account if they lied about one thing, they might be lying about another thing.

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155.289 - 157.91 Josh Mankiewicz

Who manipulated who?

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158.75 - 164.253 Olivia LaVoice

People thought she seduced him and used sex to make him kill her husband.

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164.921 - 168.804 Josh Mankiewicz

And you'll hear what a jury of nine women and three men decided.

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169.364 - 183.954 Olivia LaVoice

The courtroom was absolutely packed. You have Rob's family and friends on one side, Sabrina's friends and family on the other side. And everyone, everyone in that room was very anxious.

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184.755 - 208.606 Josh Mankiewicz

I'm Josh Mankiewicz, and this is Deadly Mirage, a podcast from Dateline. Episode 6, He Said, She Said. On September 11th, 2017, the trial of Sabrina Limon opened in the packed Bakersfield courtroom of Judge John R. Brownlee.

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209.466 - 219.251 Olivia LaVoice

She was facing first-degree murder, conspiracy, solicitation, the poisoning charge, attempted murder, and accessory after the fact.

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220.325 - 231.051 Josh Mankiewicz

That's the voice of Olivia LaVoice. She covered the trial for NBC affiliate KGET in Bakersfield, which also live-streamed the trial online.

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232.168 - 255.516 Olivia LaVoice

People could not get enough. As soon as we started live streaming opening statements, I mean, we were blown away by literally thousands of people during the day, all day, were just glued to it. I mean, they wanted to see every single second of this. People who were typically watching soap operas now were watching this trial.

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257.432 - 277.234 Josh Mankiewicz

Everyone, it seemed, wanted to see the two lovers face off in court to hear two versions of a story that had resulted in murder. For prosecutor Eric Smith, the case was about a conniving woman who conspired with her young lover to have her husband murdered in cold blood.

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278.362 - 288.644 Prosecutor Eric Smith

Evidence will show that Robert Lamone was killed to replace him as the father to Leanna and Robin. This was their plan. This was their purpose.

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289.445 - 299.367 Josh Mankiewicz

For defense attorney Richard Terry, the case was about a confessed killer who was willing to lie about his mistress in order to avoid life without parole.

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299.867 - 306.949 Richard Terry

Everything implicated him. All of his statement implicated him. The only thing that made it now at Sabrina is, well, this was our plan.

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308.169 - 319.315 Josh Mankiewicz

In his opening statement, the prosecutor told the jury the circumstantial case they were about to hear would leave no doubt about Sabrina Lamone's involvement in her husband's murder.

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319.975 - 328.3 Prosecutor Eric Smith

She provided information about where the shop was located. She would also keep him informed of the days Robert worked in Tehachapi.

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330.441 - 339.6 Josh Mankiewicz

According to Prosecutor Smith, the plot to kill Rob Lamone was about more than romantic bliss. It was also about money.

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340.821 - 355.964 Prosecutor Eric Smith

Why? So she could get in excess of $300,000 in life insurance money. And also that she could get lifelong benefits from the railroad because Robert was killed while working at the railroad in Tehachapi.

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356.664 - 382.443 Josh Mankiewicz

As with most murder trials, the prosecutor began his case with a series of foundational witnesses. Detectives and first responders described the crime scene and the evidence recovered. Other witnesses, such as Sabrina Lamone's former friends, Jason and Kelly Bernatine, told the jury what they knew about Sabrina's love affair with Jonathan Hearn.

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383.184 - 393.787 Jason Bernatine

I told him to never contact the Lamones, stay away from Sabrina, and yeah, I said a lot of things.

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394.608 - 396.089 Prosecutor Eric Smith

Why did you speak with Detective Meyer?

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396.749 - 400.611 Kelly Bernatine

Because someone killed my friend. They needed to pay for it.

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401.572 - 414.339 Josh Mankiewicz

All of that, of course, was just the opening act. The main attraction, the reason why thousands were watching a live feed of the trial, was Jonathan Hearn, the confessed killer.

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416.86 - 420.562 Court Clerk

Good morning, sir. Can you tell us your name and spell your first and last name for the record?

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428.147 - 448.486 Josh Mankiewicz

For a few moments, there was silence in the courtroom as Jonathan Hearn stared intently at a spot on the floor about six feet in front of him. Sitting a few feet away, Sabrina Limon's long blonde hair hid her face and as she seemed to be studying the back of her hand.

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449.186 - 449.747 Prosecutor Eric Smith

How old are you?

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450.588 - 451.248 Josh Mankiewicz

27 years old.

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451.889 - 454.131 Prosecutor Eric Smith

How old were you when you were arrested November 18, 2014?

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456.614 - 461.538 Jonathan Hearn

24 years old. How old were you when you met Sabrina Lamont? 22 years old.

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462.78 - 479.19 Josh Mankiewicz

The jury was about to hear a story, the prosecutor implied, about a young man in the clutches of an older woman. In the prosecution's telling, Jonathan Hearn had been inexperienced in the ways of the world until he met Sabrina Limon.

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479.73 - 487.135 Prosecutor Eric Smith

When you first met Miss Limon, were you attracted to her? I was. At that point, had you had a steady girlfriend? No.

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488.416 - 497.626 Josh Mankiewicz

According to Hearn, he and Sabrina met for trysts anywhere and anytime they could be together. And that wasn't all.

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498.527 - 503.974 Prosecutor Eric Smith

Did Ms. Lamont send you photographs where she was naked as well through your phone, from her phone to your phone?

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504.334 - 511.323 Jonathan Hearn

Yes, sir. How regularly? I don't want to give an exact approximation, but I have direct recollection of having many.

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513.505 - 530.898 Josh Mankiewicz

And so it went, month after month, the increasingly slippery slope of infidelity. When Rob Lamone discovered the affair in the spring of 2013, Hearn said they broke it off. That resolve did not last.

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531.638 - 535.881 Prosecutor Eric Smith

Now, how deep was your relationship with Ms. Lamone, your connection in 2014?

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537.887 - 542.17 Jonathan Hearn

Very deep. We were planning to marry, so very deep.

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543.05 - 565.084 Josh Mankiewicz

For Christmas 2013, Sabrina gave Jonathan an engraved snow globe. It captured an idyllic scene, much like the future they had imagined together. In the first few months of 2014, Jonathan said they had talked about Sabrina possibly divorcing Rob, but she did not like that option.

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566.306 - 582.295 Jonathan Hearn

She expressed that the loyalty of her family and friends would most likely be with Rob and she would be seen as the bad guy. As sad as this sounds, for Rob's sake, she expressed that he would honestly rather be dead than divorced.

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583.356 - 607.309 Josh Mankiewicz

According to Hearn, talk about Rob Lamone's death had started in jest. As in, wouldn't our lives be simpler if Rob wasn't around? Then, by early 2014, he says, those late-night musings about Rob Lamone's demise had progressed from mere wishful thinking to a serious plan of action.

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608.63 - 617.838 Prosecutor Eric Smith

Did you settle on a method to kill Robert initially? Yes, I did. What was the initial method that you decided upon?

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617.899 - 636.496 Josh Mankiewicz

Poisoning. Hearn testified he and Sabrina had first planned to kill Rob with arsenic-laced banana pudding in April 2014. Jonathan said that attempt was called off when Sabrina began to fear their affair might be revealed.

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637.256 - 652.487 Jonathan Hearn

If police retrieved her phone records... If the investigator was to query her phone records and see a substantial amount of communication with someone else, that would obviously be something pretty suspicious.

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653.368 - 677.839 Josh Mankiewicz

So he said they decided together it was better to wait and put some time between Rob's murder and all that activity on their phones. Hearn said he bought Sabrina a burner phone and kept it loaded with prepaid minutes. It was while waiting for his next opportunity that Hearn said he had second thoughts about the idea of poisoning Rob.

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678.519 - 684.402 Jonathan Hearn

He thought that it might be better to just approach him directly for the killing.

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686.143 - 715.729 Josh Mankiewicz

Few things are more direct than a .45 caliber slug at point-blank range. That became Jonathan Hearn's plan. He says he spent the next few months prepping for murder. He cased the railroad shop where Rob worked in Tehachapi. He took photos and noted where the security cameras were located. He bought clothes and a mask to disguise himself, and adhesive flashing to disguise his motorcycle.

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716.912 - 727.677 Josh Mankiewicz

When Sabrina told him her husband would be working in Tehachapi on that Sunday in August 2014, Jonathan says he told her he was ready.

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728.638 - 744.406 Jonathan Hearn

She asked me if I could be detected, and so I explained that I didn't think I would be recognized. She asked me about the motorcycle, if that would be noticeable, because it did have custom lettering on it, and I explained that I was taking measures to disguise the motorcycle as well.

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746.078 - 766.947 Josh Mankiewicz

On the day of the murder, Hearn said, he arrived in Tehachapi around mid-afternoon. After parking his motorcycle in a secluded spot, Hearn said he donned an old man mask and set out on foot, walking with a limp. He was looking for the unmarked shop where Rob Lamone worked.

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767.607 - 773.27 Prosecutor Eric Smith

And when you got off your bike, what items did you have with you? A backpack with a firearm.

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774.62 - 790.951 Josh Mankiewicz

Unable to determine exactly which building Rob Lamone worked in, Jonathan said he was about to call it off and go home. Then he said he saw Rob Lamone pull up to one of those buildings in his service truck and open the garage door.

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792.212 - 800.638 Jonathan Hearn

I began walking back down towards where I had seen Robert Park and where the garage door was still open.

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802.116 - 819.925 Josh Mankiewicz

Hearn said his mind was filled with conflicting thoughts at that moment. One of those thoughts, he said, was, Thou shalt not kill. And another, God's purpose. All that stuff he and Sabrina had been saying about God wanting them to be together.

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820.788 - 829.733 Jonathan Hearn

It was inevitable that Rob needed to die for Sabrina and I to move forward with our relationship.

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830.473 - 840.218 Josh Mankiewicz

And so, just before he stepped into that shop to murder his romantic rival, Jonathan Hearn said he paused to pray.

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842.682 - 857.47 Jonathan Hearn

I remember sort of praying about the conflict that arose out of that purpose, but essentially it felt like I was approaching something that inevitably had to be done.

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859.011 - 870.717 Josh Mankiewicz

Rob Lamone was sitting in the office when Jonathan Hearn entered through the open garage door. Hearn told the court that when Rob Lamone saw him, he came out of the office to meet him.

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871.894 - 877.298 Jonathan Hearn

We briefly spoke. I don't have distinct recollection right now.

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877.699 - 879.72 Prosecutor Eric Smith

What distance were you from Rob when you spoke?

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882.022 - 882.803 Jonathan Hearn

Within 10 feet.

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883.163 - 885.705 Prosecutor Eric Smith

Were you wearing the mask at that time? I was.

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887.506 - 912.913 Josh Mankiewicz

What must Rob Lamone have been thinking in that moment? A stranger standing in his railroad shop on a Sunday afternoon, wearing an old man mask. And that voice... Did it sound familiar? Did Rob know who he was talking to? We will never know. Just as we may never know what those two men said to each other in those final seconds.

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913.813 - 936.358 Josh Mankiewicz

According to Jonathan Hearn, Rob turned his back on the masked man and walked to the kitchenette area in the rear of the shop. He opened the fridge and grabbed a Gatorade. Hearn said he intended to shoot Rob then. but the silencer on his gun was wedged in the corner of his backpack. and he could not get the gun out of the bag.

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937.499 - 959.496 Jonathan Hearn

At some point he turned around. I fired the first shot from within the bag. At what angle did you fire the first shot? It was a very steep upward directed shot just because the trajectory was affected by the fact the end of the gun was still stuck in the corner of the bag that I was holding.

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960.117 - 962.179 Prosecutor Eric Smith

After you fired the first shot, what happened to Robert?

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963.676 - 966.237 Jonathan Hearn

He fell seemingly mortally wounded.

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967.797 - 991.662 Josh Mankiewicz

Hearn said he walked to the office and ransacked it. He also took a laptop in hopes of making investigators think Rob's death was the result of a robbery and that maybe Rob was collateral damage. As he was headed for the door, Hearn said an unsettling thought suddenly popped into his head. What if Rob Lamone was not dead?

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992.859 - 1012.331 Jonathan Hearn

I really didn't want to leave him if he wasn't entirely dead. So I went back around the backside of the truck and quickly fired one more shot at him and then closed the garage door behind me and ran from the facility.

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1013.272 - 1021.317 Josh Mankiewicz

As soon as he could, Hearn said, he found a place to change out of the clothes he'd been wearing and strip the adhesive flashing from his motorcycle.

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1022.278 - 1025.801 Prosecutor Eric Smith

Were you feeling happiness, elation, excitement?

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1026.261 - 1041.053 Jonathan Hearn

Immediately leaving, probably fear, regret. Later on, I guess a feeling of relief that what had been in the works for so long was finally done.

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1041.073 - 1060.374 Josh Mankiewicz

Hearn told the court that by the time he got to the Four Corners intersection at Kramers Junction, his motorcycle was running on fumes. He had to stop for gas. Of course, the prosecutor knew that part of the story well. He had it on video. and played it for the jury.

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1061.235 - 1067.68 Prosecutor Eric Smith

Do you recognize the motorcycle entering to the gas pumps? I do. Who's on the motorcycle? I am.

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1068.34 - 1072.383 Jonathan Hearn

What are you wearing? Shorts and a sleeveless t-shirt.

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1073.104 - 1088.636 Josh Mankiewicz

Jonathan Hearn said he hadn't taken his cell phone on that trip to Tehachapi because he didn't want investigators looking at the GPS tracking feature and learning where he'd gone. According to Hearn, he called Sabrina as soon as he got home.

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1089.312 - 1112.789 Jonathan Hearn

What did you tell her? She was worried. She hadn't heard from either of us and had been trying to call both of us and referring to both me and Robert. And she wanted to make sure I was okay. And I did express that I had done it and that everything was about to change.

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1113.85 - 1157.625 Josh Mankiewicz

Everything was about to change. That might very well have been the truest thing Jonathan Hearn has ever said. As the trial entered its third week, its focus changed as well. This would be Sabrina Limon's turn to take the stand. For the better part of three weeks, defense attorney Richard Terry sat beside Sabrina Limon and listened to the prosecution's case. It had been brutal.

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1158.625 - 1171.808 Josh Mankiewicz

Photos of his client hugging her now dead husband. Intimate details about their marriage. Hours of cringeworthy phone conversations between Sabrina and her lover.

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1172.805 - 1177.048 Jonathan Hearn

I love you. I love you. I love you. To the end of the world, I love you.

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1177.688 - 1185.894 Josh Mankiewicz

I love you back. All of it topped off by Jonathan Hearn's assertion that she had been his partner in crime.

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1186.554 - 1188.956 Prosecutor Eric Smith

What did Sabrina tell you she wanted you to do?

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1189.676 - 1194.619 Jonathan Hearn

With respect to Rob, to kill him. When you hear Jonathan's statement, what do you think?

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1195.36 - 1213.431 Richard Terry

Basically, it sounded like a load of crap, to put it mildly. That's Sabrina Limon's attorney, Richard Terry. She was nowhere involved in the murder of her husband. It was a deal that he cut to get himself out from underneath being convicted and life without the possibility of parole.

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1214.511 - 1243.513 Josh Mankiewicz

Terry saw it this way. Jonathan was at the rail yard. Jonathan had his hand on the gun. Jonathan's gun. Jonathan admits being the murderer. And there's absolutely nothing on the wiretaps where Sabrina admits to knowing about or taking part in Jonathan's plan to kill her husband. So then, how does Jonathan get the deal? And Sabrina is looking at maybe life in prison.

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1244.474 - 1263.817 Josh Mankiewicz

The way attorney Terry saw it, Sabrina Limon was a victim of circumstance. A high school dropout who'd married young. A people pleaser who went with the flow. And when her husband suggested sex with other couples, well, she'd always been a team player.

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1264.717 - 1273.482 Richard Terry

She just doesn't make waves and she kind of goes with it. And I think with Jonathan, he fulfilled a need that was missing in her relationship with her husband.

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1273.562 - 1291.174 Josh Mankiewicz

In other words, it was fun to have this open marriage, but it was also nice to have somebody who was totally devoted to you and not dating anybody else. Right. In many ways, Richard Terry's defense began with his cross-examination of those who had turned on Sabrina, like Jason and Kelly Bernatine.

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1291.827 - 1304.137 Josh Mankiewicz

And when your husband, Jason, was present... He got them to admit that, yes, they too had had sex with Rob and Sabrina. Here's how Terry's cross-examination of Kelly Bernatine went.

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1304.677 - 1314.825 Richard Terry

Did you and Ms. Lamone and her husband and your husband engage in sexual activity together?

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1314.845 - 1315.766 Kelly Bernatine

Yes, we did. Okay.

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1316.426 - 1324.572 Richard Terry

Now, when your husband wasn't present... How often were you having sexual relations with Robert Lamont?

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1325.473 - 1326.033 Kelly Bernatine

I was not.

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1326.994 - 1331.936 Richard Terry

Did you ever have sexual relations with Robert Lamont where it was just the two of you?

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1332.356 - 1332.577 Kelly Bernatine

No.

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1333.057 - 1336.699 Richard Terry

Is there some reason in particular that you really want to get Sabrina?

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1338.36 - 1339.26 Kelly Bernatine

Because she killed Rob.

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1340.381 - 1342.842 Richard Terry

Wow. She didn't kill anyone, did she?

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1343.862 - 1344.583 Kelly Bernatine

I believe she did.

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1345.282 - 1349.143 Richard Terry

And because of that feeling, you want to get Sabrina, right?

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1349.283 - 1351.064 Kelly Bernatine

I believe she should pay for his murder.

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1352.184 - 1353.785 Richard Terry

Because you believe she was involved.

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1353.985 - 1354.245 Kelly Bernatine

Yes.

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1354.265 - 1360.547 Richard Terry

And that's because you care about her husband so deeply, right?

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1361.347 - 1363.347 Kelly Bernatine

I believe I cared about him more than she did.

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1364.588 - 1370.03 Josh Mankiewicz

When cross-examining Jonathan Hearn, Richard Terry questioned his religious sincerity.

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1370.69 - 1384.054 Richard Terry

You previously testified that you didn't really believe or you really weren't a true Christian. Is that right? Yes, sir. In other words, you mouthed the words.

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1384.595 - 1387.176 Jonathan Hearn

Is that right? That would be a good characterization.

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1388.337 - 1397.262 Josh Mankiewicz

Was all that religiosity intended to fool Sabrina into thinking of him as more virtuous than her husband?

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1397.882 - 1404.686 Richard Terry

With regards to your faith, were you using that to deceive Ms. Lamone also?

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1405.618 - 1416.541 Jonathan Hearn

Ms. Lamone had the distinction of knowing that I was involved in an extramarital affair, so perhaps she was less deceived.

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1417.202 - 1424.844 Richard Terry

Well, the whole time during the course of your relationship, you were constantly making references, biblical references, were you not?

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1424.924 - 1441.83 Jonathan Hearn

Sir, in the time that we've had these wiretaps was a pretty narrow time. perspective of our relationship, which went all the way back to 2012. I think back in 2012 and 13, you would have heard less references to God.

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1444.291 - 1464.515 Josh Mankiewicz

Though Jonathan testified he and Sabrina had emailed with each other about their plan to kill Rob, Richard Terry questioned why investigators had found no evidence of that. After all, they'd recovered his internet searches on arsenic poisoning and on railroad death benefit payouts.

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1465.716 - 1475.384 Richard Terry

I would assume, since they did so much work to get those web searches, that they would have turned over these emails you deleted, right?

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1476.745 - 1477.726 Jonathan Hearn

If you would like to assume that.

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1478.306 - 1486.253 Richard Terry

Well, wouldn't that make sense to you? If they actually existed? That they would present them here? Yes, sir.

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1488.231 - 1489.072 Jonathan Hearn

That would seem reasonable.

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1490.573 - 1519.827 Josh Mankiewicz

After calling several of her family members to vouch for Sabrina's good character, Richard Terry then made a bold but risky move. The defense attorney's gamble was that given the chance to compare Sabrina's story with Jonathan's, at least one juror might find Sabrina's version more credible. more sympathetic, so he called his client to the stand.

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1520.407 - 1526.452 Kelly Bernatine

Richard Terry started by leading Sabrina through a brief review of her life with Rob Limone. Did you have a group of friends that you regularly partied with?

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1526.472 - 1526.532 Josh Mankiewicz

Yes.

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1542.967 - 1547.71 Richard Terry

Were these groups of friends that you went on adult-only vacations with?

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1548.37 - 1548.65 Sabrina Limon

Yes.

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1549.311 - 1553.353 Richard Terry

Were Jason and Kelly Bernatine one of these couples?

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1554.074 - 1561.618 Josh Mankiewicz

Yes. As the years passed, Sabrina said she felt less special to the man she'd married.

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1562.819 - 1577.726 Richard Terry

Rob kind of got hooked on watching porn on the computer? Yes. Did you feel like At that point in your marriage with Rob, did he become kind of overly fixated with sex, in your opinion?

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1578.767 - 1579.007 Sabrina Limon

Yes.

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1579.027 - 1581.229 Richard Terry

Let me ask you this, were you?

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1582.11 - 1582.33 Sabrina Limon

Yes.

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1585.332 - 1609.775 Josh Mankiewicz

Nevertheless, Sabrina said she felt trapped and controlled by the swinging lifestyle. Her marriage, she said, had become emotionally unsatisfying. Then came Costco, and the day she met Jonathan Hearn... Jonathan was something different, she said. A straight arrow type, smart and curious. The kind of guy who could talk about anything.

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1610.755 - 1619.837 Sabrina Limon

He was like nobody I'd ever met before. He was very, very intelligent. I felt like I was with the human dictionary.

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1620.278 - 1627.099 Richard Terry

Did he talk about his faith a lot to you during those time periods that you were talking to him?

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1627.779 - 1630.46 Sabrina Limon

You know, not in the beginning, no.

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1631.3 - 1634.962 Richard Terry

Let me ask you this. Did you go to church on a regular basis?

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1635.983 - 1636.963 Sabrina Limon

Not at that time, no.

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1638.884 - 1666.988 Josh Mankiewicz

As the relationship progressed, becoming sexual, Sabrina said she and Jonathan also became more spiritual. They coped with their guilt over the cheating, she said, with prayer. Jonathan quoted the Bible to her, encouraged her to memorize certain verses. Sabrina was all in with that. Though in hindsight, she said, Jonathan used religion to manipulate her.

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1667.888 - 1689.398 Sabrina Limon

He knows what he's doing and everything that he does. Jonathan controlled me through carrying his Bible with him everywhere that he went and using that to guilt me, but also make me feel safe and secure and like I was doing right, I guess, even though I knew there were definitely things I was doing wrong in my life.

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1690.646 - 1699.834 Josh Mankiewicz

To hear Sabrina tell it, she was satisfied with the double life she was leading with two different men. And she saw no reason to change that.

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1700.655 - 1702.817 Richard Terry

Did you and he discuss having a future together?

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1703.657 - 1718.35 Sabrina Limon

Yes. I played into dreams and life with this guy, but had a life of my own as well. So it's hard to explain today, that's for sure.

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1719.457 - 1721.058 Richard Terry

In your mind, the best of both worlds?

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1721.658 - 1724.359 Sabrina Limon

Yes, I had the best of both worlds, but not really.

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1725.279 - 1727.7 Richard Terry

Did you discuss leaving Rob with Jonathan?

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1729.24 - 1731.521 Sabrina Limon

Yes. I guess I did, yes.

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1732.821 - 1736.682 Richard Terry

Was that part of the playing into the fantasies?

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1737.623 - 1737.863 Sabrina Limon

Yes.

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1739.083 - 1742.404 Richard Terry

Were you at any time seriously really considering leaving Rob?

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1743.665 - 1743.865 Sabrina Limon

No.

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1744.885 - 1745.265 Richard Terry

Why not?

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1746.425 - 1747.906 Sabrina Limon

I couldn't imagine my life without Rob.

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1749.997 - 1750.197 Richard Terry

Why?

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1750.217 - 1752.437 Sabrina Limon

Because I loved him.

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1754.618 - 1768.421 Josh Mankiewicz

Sabrina said she'd been devastated when Rob died. In those darkest of days, she said, she felt Jonathan was her rock. Somebody she could cling to. Someone who would take care of her and the children.

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1769.501 - 1781.776 Richard Terry

Now, when Detective Meyer contacted you, he asked you, if you or Rob were involved in any extramarital affairs. Is that right?

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1782.476 - 1783.016 Sabrina Limon

Yes, he did.

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1784.056 - 1786.257 Richard Terry

And you told him no. Is that right?

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1786.637 - 1786.897 Sabrina Limon

Yes.

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1787.457 - 1787.717 Richard Terry

Why?

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1788.557 - 1799.859 Sabrina Limon

Because I was embarrassed, and I just felt like that was an embarrassing, personal, private lifestyle that I didn't want known.

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1801.399 - 1804.68 Richard Terry

Were you trying to protect your husband's reputation somewhat?

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1804.98 - 1805.22 Sabrina Limon

Yes.

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1806.269 - 1806.489 Richard Terry

Why?

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1807.21 - 1813.776 Sabrina Limon

Along with my own, because that's not how I wanted Rob to be known at all.

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1814.737 - 1829.211 Josh Mankiewicz

Sabrina said she not only lied to investigators about her lifestyle, she said she had lied about her affair because Jonathan had told her they'd both be in for a world of hurt if investigators ever found out about it.

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1829.969 - 1845.915 Sabrina Limon

He had told me that, you know, just the dangers of what could happen when an affair is exposed, how the police think and how they work. So he kind of, he just started scaring me, I guess, with how it could be portrayed.

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1846.775 - 1848.896 Richard Terry

Lead back to him, you?

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1849.936 - 1878.484 Josh Mankiewicz

Yes, him and I. According to Sabrina, she never discussed killing Rob with Jonathan. There'd never been any poison pudding plot. And she had never imagined Jonathan would ever want to harm Rob. Yes, she admitted, she had told Jonathan where Rob worked, but only in passing as a small part of a larger conversation. And yes, she had told Jonathan Rob would be working in Tehachapi that day.

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1879.338 - 1908.352 Josh Mankiewicz

And that was only because Tehachapi days were long days for Rob, and typically a time when she and Jonathan could meet up. Her defense against all those accusations was a familiar one to any follower of true crime. Yes, I lied to my husband about the affair. Yes, I lied to police about it too. But murder? I never thought of it. And you can trust me on that.

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1909.525 - 1916.887 Josh Mankiewicz

Even after investigators told her they suspected Jonathan of killing her husband, Sabrina said she didn't believe it.

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1917.828 - 1929.452 Richard Terry

When you were talking to Detective Meyer, you still continued to not believe that Jonathan was the one who killed Robert. Why were you still denying that Jonathan could have done this?

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1930.592 - 1939.075 Sabrina Limon

I guess my guilt of being in a relationship with him. I didn't want it to be him at all. I don't know.

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1942.361 - 1956.147 Josh Mankiewicz

According to Sabrina, Jonathan Hearn had used the shame she'd felt for her days as a swinger to manipulate her. During his cross-examination, prosecutor Eric Smith questioned that.

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1957.188 - 1960.289 Prosecutor Eric Smith

Jonathan Hearn controlled you. That was your testimony yesterday.

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1960.669 - 1962.47 Sabrina Limon

No, Jonathan Hearn was controlling.

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1962.49 - 1966.712 Prosecutor Eric Smith

Okay. Now your husband controls you. That's your testimony today.

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1966.892 - 1968.313 Sabrina Limon

No, my husband was my husband.

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1968.553 - 1971.154 Prosecutor Eric Smith

Okay. Do you make decisions on your own at any point?

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1973.886 - 1977.509 Sabrina Limon

Yes, I sure do. Apparently many bad ones.

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1993.442 - 2020.708 Josh Mankiewicz

On the morning of October 3rd, the jury got the case. They had spent the better part of three weeks listening to testimony. And they had heard the confessional testimony of Jonathan Hearn, the man who murdered Rob Lamone in cold blood. And they had seen the dead man's widow up close. At mid-morning, they sent a head-scratching note to the judge saying,

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2021.553 - 2029.282 Josh Mankiewicz

Jurors wanted to see that sparkling snow globe Sabrina had given Jonathan for Christmas, nine months before Rob's murder.

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2030.063 - 2038.093 Judge John R. Brownlee

It puzzled me then and puzzles me now, except that clearly the jury saw the snow globe as a symbol.

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2038.962 - 2045.386 Josh Mankiewicz

That's Michael Fleeman, the true crime reporter who would later write a book about the case titled Better Off Dead.

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2046.026 - 2067.238 Judge John R. Brownlee

But the jury seemed to fix on the snow globes. Well, why would she give him this present? Why it was inscribed, it was a Christmas present, it sat at his house for months. If she was being played by him, you know, if she was the victim here, she was the damsel in distress, and he was the puppet master, why would she give him this nice present? You know, that's all I can think.

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2069.918 - 2091.117 Josh Mankiewicz

A few hours later, another note, this one asking if the attempted murder count in the list of charges pertained to the poison pudding plot. Yes, the judge replied, it did. Then, a little after 4 p.m., the jury sent one last note. They had reached a verdict.

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2093.311 - 2106.235 Judge John R. Brownlee

Yeah, I was surprised at how quick the verdict was. At the very least, I would have thought the jury would have gone through the wiretaps a little more carefully. But no, it was essentially a one-day deliberation.

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2107.335 - 2112.516 Josh Mankiewicz

Because it was late in the day, the judge delayed announcing the verdict until the next morning.

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2113.137 - 2123.663 Court Clerk

Good morning, everyone. Good morning. Nice to see you all back. You received a note yesterday at 4.10 p.m. that we have completed all of the verdict forms. Madam Foreman, is that correct?

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2123.843 - 2124.363 Madam Foreman

That's correct.

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2124.383 - 2127.944 Court Clerk

The verdict form does appear to be in order. Madam Clerk, please.

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2128.825 - 2139.727 Madam Foreman

The people of the state of California plaintiff versus Sabrina Limon, defendant. First count. We, the jury, find the defendant, Sabrina Limon, guilty of murder in the first degree.

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2144.108 - 2164.782 Josh Mankiewicz

Sabrina Limon dropped her head as the clerk read the remainder of the verdict form. Guilty of premeditation. Guilty of conspiracy. Guilty of accessory. But on the attempted murder charge in the poison pudding plot, the jury found her not guilty.

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2165.743 - 2176.005 Josh Mankiewicz

There had been no physical evidence presented that would have supported Jonathan Hearn's claim that Sabrina Limon had put arsenic-laced pudding in her husband's lunch.

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2176.765 - 2179.706 Court Clerk

Madam Foreman, is that your true and correct verdict as to each count? It is.

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2182.145 - 2197.932 Josh Mankiewicz

After the jury was dismissed, Sabrina Limon cried softly as she was shackled and led away. Outside the courthouse, family and friends of Rob Limon gathered and spoke with the assembled media.

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2198.493 - 2202.835 Chris Wilson

I have to thank the 12 jurors for listening to the evidence.

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2203.435 - 2205.676 Josh Mankiewicz

That's Rob Limon's sister, Chris Wilson.

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2206.336 - 2218.443 Chris Wilson

I'm excited. I'm relieved. It's just been a long three years. It'll never bring my brother back, but it'll bring justice.

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2220.563 - 2239.247 Josh Mankiewicz

It was an emotional moment for the sisters, who had not only lost a brother and a sister-in-law, they had also lost contact with their niece and nephew, who were living with Sabrina's sister, Julie. Here's Rob's sister, Lydia Marrero. I love my niece and nephew. I send out my love to them.

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2242.141 - 2247.504 Chris Wilson

We hope to see them one day and tell them all the great stories we have of their father.

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2248.364 - 2257.868 Olivia LaVoice

I could not imagine Sabrina's family and Robert's family being on even remotely good terms.

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2258.589 - 2260.97 Josh Mankiewicz

That's crime reporter Olivia LaVoie again.

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2261.87 - 2299.482 Olivia LaVoice

I think so much of what went down in this case had to do with... what Rob Lamone's family wanted. To them, Jonathan Hearn wasn't the one who betrayed them and Rob Lamone, right? The betrayal for them was with Sabrina. So if you're Sabrina's family, you could imagine how they might look at Robert's family and think, yeah, you guys are... a huge part of why she's in there.

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2301.523 - 2312.692 Josh Mankiewicz

On November 16th, 2017, almost two years to the day after he was arrested and charged with murder, Jonathan Hearn was back in court for his sentencing.

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2313.213 - 2317.316 Court Clerk

The defendant does qualify for punishment in the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

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2317.556 - 2333.345 Josh Mankiewicz

With Rob Lamone's sister sitting just a few feet away, Hearn read a long statement he'd composed while waiting for his sentence to be handed down. The calm and unflappable demeanor he had worn like a coat of armor at trial was gone.

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2333.365 - 2341.73 Jonathan Hearn

I have evoked God's name and yet behaved exactly opposite of his dictates. I have sinned.

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2343.171 - 2353.297 Josh Mankiewicz

In comments addressed to the court, to Rob Lamone's family, to his own family, and also Sabrina's family, Jonathan Hearn begged for forgiveness.

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2354.133 - 2382.82 Jonathan Hearn

I am aware that for my crimes, anything short of death is really merciful. Yet for my sin, I truly do deserve much worse. I have wept and struggled searching for adequate words to express my repentance. It seems like saying I'm sorry to you all will never be enough. And so speaking on borrowed and undeserved breath, I offer you my

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2383.7 - 2406.446 Jonathan Hearn

brokenhearted and genuine apology, knowing that it cannot compare to the grief that I've caused all of you. To Robert's family and his dear friends, I'm so sorry. I'm sorry for stealing your brother, your friend, your beloved relative, and taking your joy from you.

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2407.574 - 2435.768 Josh Mankiewicz

When all was said and done, the judge sentenced Jonathan Hearn to the agreed upon 25 years and four months. However, not long after Jonathan began serving his sentence, the California legislature passed a new law giving youthful offenders the opportunity for early parole. In Jonathan Hearn's case, that means he could be released from prison before his 40th birthday.

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2437.324 - 2469.999 Olivia LaVoice

Essentially, the law says if you are under the age of 26 at the time of your offense, you are eligible for parole after serving a full 14 years. It's possible he'll be denied parole, but... Based on everything that we know about what they're looking for at parole hearings, he's checking all the boxes for being a model inmate.

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2471.22 - 2497.61 Josh Mankiewicz

In February 2018, Sabrina Limon was sentenced to 25 years to life for her role in her husband's murder. An appellate court upheld her conviction in 2022. And last year, the California Supreme Court denied her petition for review of the case. Neither Sabrina nor Jonathan responded to our requests for an interview for this podcast.

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2501.29 - 2528.459 Josh Mankiewicz

So ends a story that began more than a dozen years ago in a busy shopping aisle at Costco. An ordinary day, except for the fateful meeting of two strangers. If not for the unique makeup of those two people and the astounding number of bad choices they made, their story might well have ended right there. A closer reading of the Bible might have been useful back then.

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2529.78 - 2564.282 Josh Mankiewicz

It's the book of Hosea that talks about how mistakes from the past can cause those who made them to reap the whirlwind. Sometimes the lessons from scripture and from real life are one and the same. Deadly Mirage is a production of Dateline and NBC News. Tim Beecham is the producer. Ryan Drew, Kelly Laudeen, and Marshall Hausfeld are audio editors. Carson Cummins is associate producer.

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2565.263 - 2581.466 Josh Mankiewicz

Adam Gorfain is co-executive producer. Paul Ryan is executive producer. And Liz Cole is senior executive producer. From NBC News Audio, sound mixing by Katie Lau. Bryson Barnes is head of audio production.

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