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The people and the waterway at the center of the Panama Canal

03 Feb 2025

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The Panama Canal has sat at the center of global trade for more than a century, connecting two oceans. The things Americans use every day pass through here, from gas to food. And now, this spot is also at the center of President Trump's global expansionist agenda.Secretary of State Marco Rubio has just wrapped up a trip to Panama where he told the President that if China's influence over the canal isn't curbed the United States will take measures to protect its rights.Trump's threat to take back the Panama Canal has the potential to reshuffle global politics. We're meet the people and the 51-mile waterway in the middle of it all.For sponsor-free episodes of Consider This, sign up for Consider This+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.orgEmail us at [email protected] more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

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0.526 - 17.231 Ari Shapiro

When President Donald Trump started talking about taking back the Panama Canal right around Christmas, there was a lot of reaction from people in Panama. Diplomatic but firm statements from the president, chants, an American flag burning in the streets, and also memes. We get angry.

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18.271 - 20.212 Jessica Salado

But it's also funny, because come on.

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20.532 - 43.25 Ari Shapiro

That is Joel Diaz and Jessica Salado. They're members of the super popular Panamanian satire group called El Gainazo. That name refers to the black vultures that are all over Panama City. Now, the vulture is definitely not the national bird, but unlike the majestic harpy eagle that is on Panama's crest, the vultures are actually part of people's everyday lives. Here's Jessica.

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43.692 - 58.282 Jessica Salado

What El Gallinazo does is that it's like a translator of very important and serious news, but in a Panamanian slang. So everyone can be informed, but entertained at the same time.

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58.544 - 80.769 Ari Shapiro

We met the team at El Gallinazo's offices in Panama City, and we came here to find out how Trump's threats are resonating with the people who could face the most severe consequences if he follows through. And we're here at a time when Panama is in the global spotlight. U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio just wrapped up a visit to deliver and perhaps clarify Trump's message about the canal.

81.129 - 82.23 Joel Diaz

We love controversial content.

82.891 - 95.887 Ari Shapiro

So this for us is like a goldmine. One of the group's illustrators is Esperanza Villalobos. She recently drew an image of President Trump as a baby pointing at the Panama Canal and crying, I want that one.

96.147 - 107.859 Esperanza Villalobos

I think it's funny because we're looking at our politicians and we believe that our politicians are low material, IQ, intelligence, whatever.

107.899 - 108.961 Ari Shapiro

You think your politicians are dumb.

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