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Chapter 1: What was the significance of the White Lives Matter shirts?
All right, guys, now it's time for a conversation that so many of you have been waiting for. Candace plus Ye. I guess it kind of starts with a time machine. I got to take you guys in a time machine back to October 3rd, 2022, a day that will live in infamy. Me and Ye premiering shirts at his fashion show, which read White Lives Matter. Definitively a moment I will never forget.
We broke the internet. There's no other way to say it. And people just couldn't believe how could a black person say white lives matter? We can only say black lives matter. And it's just interesting to see how the media sort of paints a narrative and there's absolutely no truth to it. I mean, what really happened is Ye called me and he asked me to simply be at his show.
Chapter 2: How did the media react to Ye's statements?
Never asked me about wearing any shirts. When I was there, we were backstage and he sort of held up the shirt and he was really in the creative process. There were tons of models running around and he just said, I need you to wear this. And I said, sure, because I knew instantly what he was trying to do and what he meant. Shortly thereafter, though, everything changed.
And obviously, aside from people being angry at us wearing the shirts, then it shifted into this conversation about Ye and his anti-Semitism. And I can say definitively that it was the toughest moment in my entire career. I had never felt more pressure externally from the media and from friends for me to condemn Ye. I didn't take the bait.
I didn't take the bait because, as I have said many times, Ye had opened up to me about some things that were happening in his life. And you're going to hear in this conversation what those things were. And you can understand how someone would feel if they were subjected to the things that Ye was subjected to. I, of course, wanted the world to hear it back then.
I had invited Ye to come on my podcast at the time, and he was slated to come on. But the evening before, I found out that that was not going to be a possibility. The network that I was on didn't think that I was the right person to interview him because of our friendship issues. And he was really upset. He was very upset. He essentially said that my voice was being controlled.
Chapter 3: What was the toughest moment of Ye's career?
And something overtook me in that moment. And I said, look, Gay, I obviously cannot overrule this at all. If I had my own platform, I would obviously host a conversation with you. But I don't have that right now. I do not have that right now. But what I... do have is a camera. I have a friend who knows how to run a camera and we can just record this moment and we can lock this in a time capsule.
And one day I will have my own platform and I will premiere this conversation. And that day is today. When I say that it was a tough moment, you were even looking at me when I watched this conversation back, you can just see it on my face. I was postpartum. There are very few times, I'm not a crier. I definitely am not a crier.
That's not how I express emotions, but I remember going through this period and there was a moment when, because I was postpartum, Ladies know you have that moment where your hair sheds postpartum.
And I remember dealing with the press cycle with Ye, dealing with friends and followers who said they wouldn't support me ever again unless I came out and condemned him, making a decision not to condemn him and standing in the shower and my hair was falling out in clumps. And I just said, please, God. And I was just crying hysterically, have mercy on me. Please just have mercy on me.
Chapter 4: Why was the podcast interview with Ye canceled?
I just need to get through this moment. I'm a breastfeeding mom. I can't take any more. My show's just gone five days per a week. Make it stop. Make it stop. And now I look back on that and I just think everything happens for a reason. And whatever inspired me to say, let's just put on a camera, turn on a camera here and record and have a conversation and lock it up in a time capsule.
It was because that was exactly what needed to happen at that time. And a better moment for people to hear what Ye was thinking and what he had to say is right now. So guys, I invite you to listen to this conversation. Candice plus Ye. It was recorded on October 17th, 2022. I hope you like it.
I'm happy. Happy to do it tonight.
Yeah. So, yeah, it's better than doing it in the morning. I'm obviously not the best morning person. We were talking about doing a God cast for a while, actually. This works. Why did the, like, word God cast come to you?
Chapter 5: What personal challenges did Candace face during this time?
We're on a podcast. It had God in it.
Okay. So it wasn't an ego thing. People say, oh, yay, yeezus. God casts. Is there any messaging in that?
Just the more we could say God, the better. The more we could say God in the media, the better.
Yeah, I agree. So I think one of the things that's the most interesting I want to dive in this way is people don't actually understand. There's there's something about you and I coming together that the media can not stand. Like it is, it's actually fascinating to me. I called you super stressed out like three nights ago. It's just like, what the heck am I going through right now?
Like it's another like level that you graduate into when we're talking about yay and we're talking about the media. I don't think people understand when I say the attacks. come from every angle, every side, every regard. They'll attack you on your children. They'll attack me and my relationship. They'll go after family members. My dad called me stressed from Hawaii.
Wow.
Yeah. He called me stressed from Hawaii.
Well, it's so funny that you said, you remember I talked about the gray hat and the, um, the gray hat hitting your table. Um, Read the last text from my dad out loud. We talked about the miracles. Read out loud the last text.
That's wild.
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Chapter 6: How do Jewish executives influence the media?
in Hollywood the whole time I was there. People were telling me, you need to behave. You cannot wear a red hat. You cannot talk to Candace. You cannot say how you feel out loud. Today, they took down my Drink Champs. They took it off of whatever platforms, YouTube, Drink Champs, Revolt. And they also took me off of the Balenciaga sites. And I just looked at my girl and said, yo, I'm so happy.
I'm so happy. Like, I'm so happy because I have this freedom from beholding to these brands that say, we only rock with you under these conditions. Like, we can have you be a Black person, but only a Black person that says, that's wearing a Black Lives Matter t-shirt.
Which at this point, now that I've worn a White Lives Matter t-shirt, I'm totally fine with wearing a Black Lives Matter t-shirt as well, because all lives matter. But even all lives matter, Would have, you know, I cut what I'm saying, this train of thought.
No, no, you're making perfect sense to me. I had two thoughts today. The first, well, I had a lot of thoughts today. I didn't just have two thoughts today, just to clarify. But I was thinking earlier about when is the first time that I heard Ye was mentally ill, right? So I grew up on your music. Obviously, everybody knows, like, you know.
Like when you first were spinning through the wire, you know, and you had a remarkably long career in the public sphere and nobody had ever called you mentally ill. Right. And now, no matter what you say, when you don't exist under. I would just call it Hollywood terms.
Their number one rebuttal, if you have an idea, you're saying things like, well, he's mentally ill and he already said he was mentally ill because he said it on this podcast. And therefore we don't have to listen to anything else that he has to say because he rephrased mentally ill.
And so I actually researched when is the first time that the public sold us this and correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was in 2017. that they said that you went to the hospital and you were bipolar and that- It's 2015. Sorry, pardon. 2015 when Trump was- Yeah, about to.
Right when Trump got elected- I went to the hospital less than a week after that because the entire time while he was running, people told me that my life would be over. I would be on the wrong side of history. You know, like literally people threatened my life and told me, me, I did not stand up and say, hey, this is what I believe in. And that's who I am. That's who I am.
That's what my character is. So I think that... They made you think that... Yeah, it's like how people, they said the reason why I couldn't be on Daily Wire is the Israelite comment. And every Black person is fine with calling ourselves Black and being called Black. But when I bring up the idea that we're Jew because we are from Africa... the Bible is set in Africa, then it's challenging.
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Chapter 7: What are the implications of the White Lives Matter slogan?
People got to put some respect on the fact that I'm actually brave enough to say this out loud. Like that's what's lit. That's what God is inside of me. That's why I feel so good to be used. You didn't get me to a point. Y'all call me so many names. You've disrespected me for three years. Forbes wouldn't call me a billionaire.
It is important if people are calling me crazy to be like, oh, but I'm a billionaire because it's like, it's not me being classist. It's just me fighting against that saying, okay, you're calling me crazy, but I must be doing something right now. I'm not doing something. I'm doing it. everything right and then to reach to the concept, the idea of being the richest Black person ever.
And we're just at the beginning of, you know, George Farmer was so elated by the response that we were getting. And then Elon Musk was retweeting what's going on or tweeting about what's going on today. And it hit Bloomberg and it's top trending. And I said to my chief of staff, give me a plane. I'm going to Nashville right now. And the feeling is right.
Then we went to a restaurant and the restaurant literally had all the same letters of the name my mother gave me. It was K-A-Y-N-E. So that's another, it's like you're talking about your dad with Hawaii. And I had to, you know, you guys saw that. You saw me hand the phone over, like David Blaine. I couldn't have written that. My dad is like, because the funny thing is, where is your dad in Hawaii?
Because I have this feeling like, let's go to Hawaii because... I made really good music in Hawaii. And I just want to go to Hawaii and actually do what Jewish people love the best out of me is make music and make people really happy.
That's interesting because I think what's missing in the conversation and the media trying to spin what you're saying is that you are talking about an industry where there are Jewish executives. And that's the first time I've actually heard you say Jewish executives. And I think before...
The way that they were trying to sort of callously interpret it was that you meant every single Jewish person in the entire world. The personal wealth industry has this power. But you live, I mean, you have lived for a very long piece of your life, at least in Hollywood. And what is weird to me and where I'm trying to play catch up is that there was a piece in the L.A. Times written by a
Stein, and he said, who runs Hollywood? Come on, man. And he's a Jewish guy, and he wrote about how all the executives in Hollywood were Jewish. And that piece wasn't called anti-Semitic. But yet now, if you say that part, if you say that a lot of the executives, especially in music, I thought this was something that people knew. I've heard this in Jay-Z's music before.
So I was very surprised that there was this... Oh my God, how dare he say this? And it's anti-Semitic for him to say this. And how can you say that, you know, I think what you're talking about is that every piece of what you have created has been owned by a Jewish executive and that there are a lot of, there's a disproportionate amount of Jewish executives in Hollywood.
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Chapter 8: How can artists express themselves freely in today's media landscape?
So they're doing, I mean, from every single angle, just trying to see if they can break that. you and I have any type of a relationship, which is fascinating because the same thing happened last time. And that was like the whole Blacksit thing. Except you took the bait that time.
And then... That's my never again. Like I say, Kamala's our never again because you are what... black people want it Kamala to be. You're exactly, so thank you very much media for prepping the culture to be able to see what we really need. And I mean, it's just such a godsend. I'm just it's I'm just it's just hitting me right now that we started that we absorbed this platform.
And, you know, what we're going to be able to do with it is incredible.
The question I want to ask for fun. Do you believe that you have bipolar? Who told you you were bipolar? And when were you told that? I was told that by.
a Jewish doctor, and the information was put out by a Jewish Hollywood trainer to the Jewish media. And actually the day when they put me in the hospital, I had started reading the Bible really heavy and rewriting Bible verses. And when the Jewish trainer saw, and you're looking like, well, that sounds pretty bipolar.
But the Jewish trainer saw that, put me in the hospital, and then said, and then put it in the press.
The press being TMZ broken?
Yeah. I don't remember. I was in the hospital, right? Why were you in the hospital? Exhaustion.
Yeah. I was going to say, you don't sleep much. I mean, we don't sleep much.
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