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Behind the Bastards

It Could Happen Here Weekly 182

Sat, 17 May 2025

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All of this week's episodes of It Could Happen Here put together in one large file.  The Irish Far Right/Neo-Nazi Movement Trans Fiction, Trans Sports The Refugees Fleeing South Africa's "White Genocide" The Gang Reviews Andor Season 2, Ep. 7-9 Executive Disorder: White House Weekly #16 You can now listen to all Cool Zone Media shows, 100% ad-free through the Cooler Zone Media subscription, available exclusively on Apple Podcasts. So, open your Apple Podcasts app, search for “Cooler Zone Media” and subscribe today! http://apple.co/coolerzone  Sources/Links: Trans Fiction, Trans Sports https://victoria.monster/  https://thepointmag.com/criticism/entering-history/  The Refugees Fleeing South Africa's "White Genocide" https://support.iraplegalinfo.org/hc/en-us/articles/360057039031-What-is-the-U-S-refugee-resettlement-process  https://welcome.us/explainers/us-refugee-admissions-program-suspended-until-further-notice-welcome-corps-terminated  https://www.rescue.org/press-release/irc-responds-termination-state-department-grants-refugee-resettlement-program  https://2021-2025.state.gov/refugee-admissions/  https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/addressing-egregious-actions-of-the-republic-of-south-africa/  https://www.nytimes.com/article/afrikaner-refugees-trump-south-africa.html  https://za.usembassy.gov/refugee-admissions-program-for-south-africans/  https://www.episcopalchurch.org/publicaffairs/letter-from-presiding-bishop-sean-rowe-on-episcopal-migration-ministries/ Executive Disorder: White House Weekly #16 https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/waltham-mass-ice-arrest-boy-left-alone/ https://www.flgov.com/eog/news/press/2025/governor-ron-desantis-highlights-floridas-leadership-immigration-enforcement  https://support.iraplegalinfo.org/hc/en-us/articles/360057039031-What-is-the-U-S-refugee-resettlement-process https://welcome.us/explainers/us-refugee-admissions-program-suspended-until-further-notice-welcome-corps-terminated https://www.rescue.org/press-release/irc-responds-termination-state-department-grants-refugee-resettlement-program https://2021-2025.state.gov/refugee-admissions/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/addressing-egregious-actions-of-the-republic-of-south-africa/ https://www.nytimes.com/article/afrikaner-refugees-trump-south-africa.html https://za.usembassy.gov/refugee-admissions-program-for-south-africans/ https://www.episcopalchurch.org/publicaffairs/letter-from-presiding-bishop-sean-rowe-on-episcopal-migration-ministries/ https://www.aclufl.org/en/press-releases/new-report-reveals-alarming-conditions-florida-ice-detention-centers https://english.elpais.com/usa/2025-04-01/inhumane-conditions-and-death-at-miamis-krome-migrant-detention-center.htmlSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Chapter 1: What is the far-right movement in Ireland?

2499.969 - 2517.721 Caller 4

One of the ways that we have been, like, depersonified via transgender is through a, you know, a massive attack on trans, like trans women in sports. And this has led to, you know, like the acceleration of the broad scale attack on all of us being able to exist as people.

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2518.321 - 2537.755 Caller 4

And with me to talk about this is someone who has written a book that is about this and also kind of not about this in a lot of ways. And that is Victoria Zeller, who is a writer, author, writes about the Buffalo Bills for our friends over at Defector sometimes. And is the author of a new book, One of the Boys, out today when you're listening to this? Wow. Crazy. Wild. Yeah.

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2539.156 - 2558.044 Caller 4

Yeah, it has synced up like this completely on purpose. We were 100% planning this from the beginning. Hello, thank you for having me. Yeah, I'm excited to have you on. So you would think that the question that your book, One of the Boys, asks is, what if a trans girl played football? But the actual and more important question it asks is, what if a poster could write fiction?

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2558.564 - 2570.509 Caller 4

And the answer is that it fucking rips. Thank you. This book rules. Genuinely, I think this is the best written group chats I've ever read in a book. It riffs. It's so good.

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2571.09 - 2596.01 Caller 3

I am very passionate about group chats. You know, I mean, like posting is writing. Hello, audience. If you don't know me, my name is Victoria. I'm online. You may know my Twitter or blue sky accounts at Dirtbag Queer. I'm like largely posting about football when football is in season. I kind of just post about random shit these days. But, uh, yeah, I've allegedly written a book.

2596.03 - 2613.76 Caller 3

Uh, the weird thing about writing a book is that I feel like I've just totally blacked out actually writing it. And I'm like, that's crazy. Who did that? Couldn't be me. But yeah, in terms of how I would very quickly pitch one of the boys, high school senior named Grace comes back to her high school football team.

2614.12 - 2635.93 Caller 3

She quit over the summer because she came out as trans because her teammates want to make a push for a state title. And it's like trans coming of age, Friday Night Lights, handshake meme. But also when I was like... big picture thinking about what I wanted to do with this. I wanted to tell kind of a like traditional high school sports story, but through an outsider lens.

2636.17 - 2656.884 Caller 3

Like if you think about the average like high school football story, you think like, well, what we're going to do is we're going to win state. We're going to get the scholarship and we're going to get the girl. And I wanted to sort of like deconstruct those three things by making the protagonist trans and making the protagonist a kicker instead of like a linebacker or a quarterback or whatever.

2657.564 - 2660.886 Caller 4

and that is who I am. Yeah, and this book rips.

Chapter 2: How does the Irish far-right compare to other countries?

2880.048 - 2887.272 Caller 3

So I really only have to, like, get the audience to understand kicking and what happens when Grace is on the field. I don't have to get into, like...

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2888.252 - 2914.064 Caller 3

what a football team that like never passes the ball like is doing on a technical level we don't have to do all that i give you just enough that if you are a sicko you're like yeah baby what like this rules this is the sickest offense of all time um but also yeah but also like you know trying to uh trying to help the queer kiddos understand that like

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2914.884 - 2924.766 Caller 3

Running the ball is the official football position of the working class, of the proletariat, you know.

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2924.786 - 2944.849 Caller 4

Okay, we're going to get more into the class dynamics of football in a second, but the place I kind of want to start in terms of, like, you know, talking about the parts of it that aren't just ball is... So, in a lot of ways, this is a book about scriptlessness, which is something that I think... I don't know.

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2945.209 - 2951.172 Caller 4

We've been seeing a sort of resurgence of trans... Well, not resurgence, but a kind of like surgence? Emergence?

2951.332 - 2952.332 Caller 3

Is that the right word? Emergence.

2952.432 - 2967.631 Caller 4

There we go. There we go. There we go. Yeah, of trans literature. And I think this is a very interesting angle to take on it. And it's... You know, when I say scriptlessness, it's about the ways in which trans women in particular don't have, you know, sort of examples and paths to like follow, right?

2967.671 - 2984.226 Caller 4

There's not like a, you're supposed to go from A to B to C. This is like what you're doing with your life. And you have to just figure it out because suddenly you're you and you just have to, you know, there's no rails, there's no guides, you just have to do it. I think the Zapatista line about it is the road is made by walking.

2985.067 - 2992.199 Caller 4

Can you talk about how, like, having to just figure this shit out influenced the way that you write Grace and the way that you sort of write this book?

Chapter 3: What are the recent developments in anti-immigrant protests?

6136.734 - 6139.555 Caller 11

And does she think Carrie is too good for Mr. Big?

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6139.775 - 6149.359 Caller 9

She had inexplicable feelings. Got it. It is the human being that can't explain to her friends why somebody that might be beneath her is dictating sex.

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6150.32 - 6158.068 Caller 11

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6161.031 - 6173.701 Unnamed Guest 2

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6174.662 - 6187.61 Unnamed Guest 2

All of May is Mental Health Awareness Month and on the Psychology of Your 20s podcast, we are taking a vulnerable look at why mental health is so hard to talk about and all the science and psychology behind some of life's hardest moments and transitions.

6188.19 - 6210.176 Unnamed Guest 2

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6210.683 - 6222.465 Unnamed Guest 2

So this Mental Health Awareness Month, take that extra bit of care of yourself and your brain. Listen to The Psychology of Your 20s on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

6224.69 - 6234.934 Bob Pittman

Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. On this week's episode of Math & Magic, I'm sitting down with the one and only Bobby Bones. We're exploring the power of audio.

6235.494 - 6255.305 Bobby Bones

The word on the street then was, he's too country for pop. But then once I got to country, it was, he's too pop for country. So I kind of never really had a place to fit in, but that's exactly how and why I fit. I just embraced that. Like, yeah, I don't fit into one specific hole. I think that is what endeared me to listeners.

Chapter 4: What factors are contributing to the rise of far-right groups?

6326.821 - 6351.283 Molly Conger

Since then, the United States has not admitted any refugees. In February, the United States terminated its cooperative agreement with refugee resettlement agencies, which meant that even refugees who had arrived weren't getting the assistance that they previously got. However, on the 12th of May, the United States admitted 59 Afrikaner refugees from South Africa.

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6351.303 - 6373.355 Molly Conger

And concurrently, Donald Trump told the press that what's happening was a genocide of the white people. He said it wasn't because they're white. He said if it was black people, he would do the same thing. I mean, there are several genocides impacting black people right now, and they are not getting refugee admissions to the United States. Apparently, These people are being genocided.

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6373.475 - 6378.039 Molly Conger

So Molly, can you explain what's going on here? How the genocide happened?

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6378.647 - 6394.923 Caller 21

Sure. I mean, the short answer to that question is it is not happening. It is not real. It is not a thing that is happening or, in my opinion, really could meaningfully happen under the conditions that they're talking about. So, again, like you said, they have terminated all refugee resettlement programs.

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6394.983 - 6413.925 Caller 21

So people coming from active war zones, active ongoing genocides, people fleeing political persecution all over the world. They don't deserve our help. They don't need our help anymore. Right. But these people, these people from South Africa are uniquely experiencing the worst thing that can happen to a person, I guess, which is white genocide.

6415.25 - 6432.956 Caller 21

So white genocide, I think, is often sort of used interchangeably with great replacement theory. So the white genocide conspiracy theory and the great replacement theory, I think they're hand in hand. They're very similar. There's a lot of overlap and they're used interchangeably. But white genocide is much more specific and it's a more recent iteration on the theme.

6433.716 - 6445.13 Caller 21

It comes from a mid-90s book written in prison by a neo-Nazi terrorist named David Lane. David Lane notably coined the 14 words we know. You know, you know, you know, the 14.

6445.17 - 6445.81 Robert Evans

We don't need to say him.

6446.731 - 6469.683 Caller 21

He had a lot of anxiety that if we don't do something, white people will become extinct, will be pushed out of existence by immigrants who are outbreeding us. You know, there's this sort of concurrent belief that pornography, which is, you know, in their minds, something that is a Jewish tool of oppression of the white race that is causing us to do things. it's diluting our bloodline.

Chapter 5: How is the refugee admissions process impacted?

10482.938 - 10503.325 Caller 4

And this is a tension that is kind of worked out over season one of like, Dejah Miro is a character who in a conventional show is a hero, right? Like she is like the cop that's willing to work outside of the restrictions of the thing in order to get the job done. Yeah. And you get to see what that actually is in real life, which is she's just fucking torturing people.

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10504.045 - 10523.671 Caller 4

And, you know, she's torturing people and when she gets offered a chance to do the genocide in order to do her advancement, she gets that. And I think part of what's going on with Cyril is like, Cyril's whole thing is that he has been trying to be this cop And then he has this moment where he's like, oh, shit, none of that's, like, real.

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10523.751 - 10537.522 Caller 4

The actual thing that it means to be this cop isn't just this, isn't this, like, I dress up in my clan's clothes. And he gets this in season one, too, where he, like, actually goes into the field and it's just, like, everyone's fucking dying around him and he's shell-shocked and things are exploding.

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10538.042 - 10550.33 Caller 4

And it's like he's getting that here again where it's, like, his, like, thing where he's been cultivating this, like, intelligence person. And then he sees it and it just, like... Mm-hmm. it just sort of, it, it, it rips away the facade.

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10550.37 - 10562.813 Caller 4

That's like, that is the facade of how, like on a kind of macro level, like how we, how film and television and how American media thinks about like spies and thinks about cops. Sure.

10563.233 - 10579.107 Caller 4

And, and you see that the actual brutal reality of it, which is like through, through the eyes of this person who, who, who like through, through, through this sort of like media stuff has always wanted to become this person is like, oh, you're just doing a genocide. The one part of being a cop that I can do is like choking my partner. Mm-hmm.

10581.775 - 10606.636 Garrison Davis

So my interpretation of kind of his ending moments is that, number one, I don't really feel it is necessarily that he undoes all the progress. I think that there's this animal moment when he sees Cassian that just overrides that because nothing else about his life makes sense anymore. He's completely lost any sense of sanity. And Cassian makes sense. Fighting him makes sense. And so he does it.

10607.256 - 10626.844 Garrison Davis

And we do see he has a chance to shoot him and he hesitates and he lowers the gun just a bit and then he's immediately shot. And in that moment, number one, one of the themes of this is that like everyone has their own rebellion. There's an argument you can make that him not doing that was his last little act of that.

10627.324 - 10648.205 Garrison Davis

There's an argument that maybe he would have tried to engage him in conversation or monologued or whatever, but he didn't get the chance. We just don't know. We'll never know. And he's kind of contrasted with Rylance in that Rylance does get the chance. To see who he is and have it be not enough and then become enough. Cyril gets the chance to see who he is. And he does.

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