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14 Years & 19 Meds: Why Laura Delano Stopped Years Of Psychiatric Drugs & Went “Unshrunk” + Paleovalley’s Autumn Smith – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 484
Sat, 24 May 2025
“The more I suffered, the more medical treatments I was convinced I needed, but the more treatments I received, the more I suffered,” writes Laura Delano, author of the memoir UNSHRUNK. At age 14, Laura Delano was diagnosed with bipolar disorder and prescribed mood stabilizers and antidepressants. Despite academic and athletic success, she struggled with rage and despair. Over 14 years, she received multiple diagnoses and 19 medications. But her condition worsened and was deemed “treatment resistant.” Delano chose to stop medications, challenging psychiatric norms and exploring an unmedicated life, and details the results – and her critique of the mental health and pharmaceutical industries – in her memoir Unshrunk, available now at https://amzn.to/3YWgWfg Important: suddenly stopping a psychiatric medication can have harmful side effects. Always consult a trusted health professional before starting or stopping medications. Laura Delano is the author of Unshrunk: A Story of Psychiatric Treatment Resistance, a speaker, and consultant. She founded Inner Compass Initiative, a nonprofit helping people navigate psychiatric diagnoses, drugs, and withdrawal. A leading voice in the movement away from medicalized mental health, she supports individuals and families globally with the withdrawal journey and life post-psychiatry. More at https://x.com/lauradelano and https://lauradelano.com Autumn Smith is the co-founder of Paleovalley, a company focused on nutrient-dense foods. She advocates for rethinking meat consumption and promotes the benefits of bone broth and tallow through Paleovalley’s offerings. More at https://x.com/paleovalley and https://drdrew.com/paleovalley 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • ACTIVE SKIN REPAIR - Repair skin faster with more of the molecule your body creates naturally! Hypochlorous (HOCl) is produced by white blood cells to support healing – and no sting. Get 20% off at https://drdrew.com/skinrepair • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: Why did Laura Delano stop taking psychiatric drugs?
Later in the hour, we're going to bring back Paleo Valley's Autumn Smith. And I have a really interesting story to tell you all about what happened at the airport with a agricultural sniffing dog. I'm sure Autumn will like that. First up, however, though, we're going to talk to Lauren Delano. She is the author of Unshrunk, a story of psychiatric treatment resistance. She's a writer, a speaker.
She's active at the Brownstone Institute. And she was rendered what you call iatrogenically ill. The medical system made her ill. And she has a really interesting story to tell us. It's interesting. Sometimes I walk by the Museum of Psychiatry that the... What's the name of the Scientology group has put together? I think they have a point. There's been some excesses here.
And I worked in a facility for 30 years, which was like a museum of some of that stuff. So we'll get into all that, the controversies. First, I have something to tell you about former President Biden. Stay with us. Our laws as it pertains to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopath started this.
He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time.
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Chapter 2: What was Laura's experience with psychiatric treatment?
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Chapter 3: What are the dangers of stopping psychiatric medications?
I remember prostate cancer being a sleepy illness that we just would tell people, you'll die of something else or you're going to die of this thing. Nothing we can do about it. Now, thanks to Michael Milken and the Prostate Cancer Foundation, it is a highly treatable condition. And there is a bit of controversy here, so let me try to parse things out.
First, Nicole Sapphire, who I respect and love immensely, has gone on the record saying that they would not have done a PSA on a man of President Biden's age, which I disagree with in the strongest terms. It's possible... He and his doctors may have elected not to do it. I doubt it. It's routine care. I know there's a little controversy around it. Of course, I'm well-versed in that.
But a president of the United States is going to get a yearly PSA. That's just what's going to happen. Then the fact that they said they found a nodule. We found a nodule. Oh, lo and behold, there's metastatic disease. No, that did not happen. You don't really even do the digital rectal exam anymore. We follow the PSAs. What is that there, Caleb, you're putting up?
I can't quite read these things sometimes.
oh it's a post from matt walsh that was talking about the topic about biden suddenly having cancer which doesn't make sense that it just seems like the timing is strange because they waited until days before that big book is coming out
Right. For sure, the time, but I'm telling you clinically, it does not work like this. It just doesn't show up like that all of a sudden. It's usually, it can present about 2% of the time, maybe even 4% of the time it can present in a more advanced state, but usually it's an aggressive tumor that kind of gets away from you.
Over the course of a year or two years or five or seven years, hard to predict. He has a grade nine of Gleason scale. I had a grade six, which is a low grade. I actually went on active surveillance. It's possible they put him on active surveillance. There's a lot of possibilities here.
The point is they are being extremely obscure and not giving us the details and none of what they're saying really makes sense. Now, you could ask the question, oh, isn't he entitled to his own confidential health care? I disagree.
I think if somebody is getting into the pilot seat of an aircraft and I or other physicians see some degree of impairment or concern about that person's ability to fly the aircraft, not only do we have a right to ask questions, we have an obligation to get on that and figure out what's going on.
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Chapter 4: How did Laura's early experiences shape her views on mental health?
And we need to be able to discuss it and talk about it. And physicians need to have opinions about it. My opinion, I'm giving you now. This is my opinion. I'm entitled to it. And it's no longer okay for people to shut up people who have opinions and expertise. You can take the opinion, leave it, do what you will with it. I have an opinion. I will be offering it.
So the thing that concerns me is we've seen him decline over the last two years rather significantly. And one of the things that happens with metastatic disease, the first line of treatment is something called androgen deprivation therapy. That is where we block the testosterone, essentially. We used to actually castrate men with this. But now we do androgen deprivation therapy, ADT.
Side effect of ADT is cognitive slowing, sometimes frank dementia, falls, muscle wasting. If somebody's Parkinsonian, they're more likely to fall. All the things we have seen over the last couple of years could be explained on the basis of androgen deprivation therapy. By the same token, there's a lot of controversy about the Autopan and should he have used it and did he know what was going on?
Parkinsonism makes you lose the ability to write your name very often. They would have a perfect defense there just by saying, you know what, the president no longer could sign his name, so he had to use the auto pen. He approved every single one of these pardons, say. We don't know what happened.
I don't believe he was impaired to the point of commitment or that a legal system would find him unable to take care of himself. But clearly, he was significantly diminished. And if indeed the antigen deprivation therapy had been initiated, we should know that because it explains the continued decline. So... Whatever is going on here, there is my opinion. I don't treat the man.
I don't know what's going on. I'm trying to read the tea leaves that they give us. But it is rather disgusting that a president does not open the books on their health care. I think that needs to be a standard. I think every president should take a Montreal cognitive inventory. I know President Trump has done that a few years in a row. He should do it publicly. We should see it being done.
That is my opinion. Susan, am I clear enough? Any questions about this?
Yeah, you're totally clear. I just feel like he could have helped educate other men to get prostate cancer awareness. Oh, that is another point. Yes, thank you, Susan. Correct.
Which is absolutely the opportunity to say this, that every man over 50 every year should be getting a PSA. If you have a first-degree relative, that should begin at age 40. If one of your first-degree relatives has prostate cancer or certain Norwegian descents. And here's the bigger thing. Joe Biden claims to be a man concerned about the African-American community's well-being.
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Chapter 5: What role does socioeconomic status play in psychiatric care?
That's an old world way of thinking about this. The fact is African-American men, we are doing a very poor job of adequately screening them so they don't have more advanced disease. Genetically, they're more prone to presenting with more advanced disease. So the screening needs to be as vigorous as it can possibly be so that more people
advanced grade of tumor doesn't become a more advanced stage of tumor the grade is the gleason score the stage is whether it's localized or spread okay so they didn't do that and doesn't that speak volumes about their what they're really concerned about very interesting very interesting all right we're going to switch gears uh have i now have i said enough susan you susan was worried about what people were saying about me online and my position these days is it is my opinion the
I'm entitled to my opinion. I do research on this. I am a patient, and I've treated it for 30 years. What the hell if I'm not entitled to an opinion in the United States of America? It is really, it's over, everybody. We've got to start speaking up.
Five years ago.
Three or four years ago, I was saying it's time to be courageous. I was shocked I was having to say that. Now I'm at the next stage, which is speak up, speak loud, have your opinion. Fine, let's debate it. But don't let people push you down for having an opinion, especially when your opinion is based in tons of experience. Give me a break. Speaking of experience, Laura Delano.
Was this striking back again? A story of psychiatric treatment resistance unshrunk. Writer, speaker, consultant. She founded Inner Compass Initiative. It's a non-profit helping people navigate psychiatric diagnoses, medication withdrawal. Leading voice in the movement away from medicalization of mental health. She supports families and particularly their withdrawal journey for medication.
X.com, Laura Delano, one word, D-E-L-A-N-O and lauradelano.com. Laura, good to see you. Welcome to the program.
Thanks, Dr. Drew. It's great to be here.
So I think we should start with your story and what happened to you. It's rather dramatic. I don't know if I'm taking the wind out of the sail of unshrunk by asking for that, or if there's a way you can tell the story that will entice them to want to read it even more. But what happened to you and how did you end up where you are?
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Chapter 6: What are the challenges of tapering off psychiatric medications?
And so that eventually led me to begin.
It sounds, by the way, that just sounds like, let's just call that, I think it has a name, let's call it adolescence.
Yeah, seriously.
That's what adolescence is.
Yes.
Right?
But you see, Dr. Drew, this happened at a very opportune moment in the history of adolescent psychiatry. This was in the mid-90s. So you probably recall there was this huge push at the time to take angry, irritable, despairing kids and give them a bipolar diagnosis. And so that's what happened to me at age 14. Mm-hmm.
And so what, you know, was in retrospect, I see a very typical, if intense version of adolescence. You know, I was cutting myself and I eventually was talking about and thinking about death. And, you know, I was an extreme teenager. I needed help and my parents were overwhelmed. So I ended up getting this diagnosis within an hour of meeting a psychiatrist who I'd never spoken to before.
I just poured out all my pain to her and she concluded I had this incurable mental illness called bipolar disorder and that began what was a nearly decade and a half relationship with the mental health industry. And with each passing year that I invested more and more deeply in this idea that I was sick and that my difficulties were all symptoms of this illness.
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Chapter 7: How can mutual aid help those dealing with mental health issues?
I was declared treatment resistant because I was basically the story, you know, was I was just so sick that even all these, this great treatment and all these great hospitals, because I was going to the top doctors at the top institutions in New England, you know, even all of that wasn't able to help me.
And so that story of treatment resistance led me to... Let me ask a really challenging question.
And I don't mean this to out the system or be pejorative because I want us to be as balanced as possible. But it just occurs to me, and particularly in the 80s and 90s, did your parents have a lot of money? Because the psychiatric system, yeah, the psychiatric hospital business back then was primarily directed towards private resources, people who had money. And I noticed...
When I first started working in a psychiatric hospital in 1985, there were only two populations of people there. There was the very rich and the very poor. And to some extent, they had common issues, which is kind of interesting just by itself. But...
The middle, the system wasn't interested in them because they were insurance patients or Medicare patients and they could only stay in three or four days. And what are you going to do in three or four days? Well, the patients paying cash would stay for a month and we could really help them.
It's such a good point. And I often say, I do think socioeconomics is a huge piece of the puzzle here when it comes to struggles just generally and when it comes to the power that the American mental health industry has over our society today. And because I had access to the best of the best, I was going to McLean Hospital, New York Presbyterian. I was seeing Harvard Medical School.
professors for consultations, we believed all the more deeply in everything we were being told because who would we be to question these leading experts? And so at the same time, we went so deep in because I think of this faith we had in all of these top doctors. But when I did eventually kind of have my awakening, you could say, and I realized that
this story of incurable mental illness needing lifelong treatment is just a story and it's actually one that's not based in much scientific evidence. And I eventually decided to come off all of these.
Let's flip to that. Let's flip to that right now because that's a good place to do that, which is something I've complained about forever on the addiction literature side is the time horizons of the research. The medication research for psychiatry The treatment research and addiction medicine, I would say never goes more than six months. Never is a reasonable thing and often goes six weeks.
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Chapter 8: What are the implications of psychiatric drug research?
And that's sort of what happened with psychiatric meds.
Totally. And I had no idea that the average length of a psychiatric drug trial was six to eight weeks when I was started on these drugs. And I also had no idea that there's zero evidence base for polypharmacy. These drugs have never been, you know, the safety and efficacy of these drugs have never been studied in combination with one another. And yet...
There I was on multiple psychiatric drugs for well over a decade. And I just assumed, I just took for granted, if my doctors are prescribing me this, this way, there must be an evidence base for it. Otherwise, they wouldn't do it. And of course, you know, I eventually learned the hard way that's not true.
If you don't mind, Laura, I want to, this is so interesting to me because I lived it and you did too. And we lived it from different sides of the table. And I want to kind of parse this out as carefully as we can. So forgive me for interviewing me for interrupting you. But the two things I noticed is...
psychiatry back then, because I was there when that all was happening, would run to the newest pharmaceutical agent. I mean, I was shocked as soon as this stuff was coming out. The next day, I would see patients being given it. And at the time, I looked at it rather carefully because it's so different than general medicine where you have to see a track record and then everybody starts using it.
And I thought, and at the time, what I thought I was seeing, and I think it's still true, is that psychiatrists didn't, For a lot of patients, they didn't have a lot to offer and they were desperate to do something. And to me, that was just a sign that whatever they had was really kind of not working. So they were just running to the next thing. So that's sort of one thing.
I don't know if you've noticed that. And then the other is the combo thing. You're right about the combo research, but the combo now, I would say we're now 30 years later. It does have some track record to it when appropriately applied. So I'm going to defend combination therapies a little bit, but your point is well taken.
So what do you think about this idea of them rushing to the latest pharmaceutical agent?
I completely agree. And in many ways, I feel for the tough position that we've put psychiatrists in over these past 30 decades that the psychopharmaceutical revolution has taken hold. The more prominence these drugs have come to play in... the treatment of struggling people, the, you know, the smaller the toolbox that psychiatrists have at their disposal.
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