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Chapter 1: Who is UAP Gerb and why is he considered knowledgeable in UFO research?
Maybe you should interview me.
I'm here with Sammy UAP Gerb, who runs, I think, my favorite channel on YouTube that covers UFOs. Literally, the information density of your channel is second to none. It's drinking from a fire hose of mind-blowing facts. I think any 15-second clip from any one of your videos could beget its own entire video. on various other channels that are kind of slower and less fast-paced.
I'm just so impressed by you, and I'm grateful to call you a friend, and I'm really excited to have this conversation. We had another conversation, and it looks like that might go up on my WAP. this channel where we're trying to like foster really cool kind of community engagement, have conversations that kind of take it to the next level when it comes to UFOs.
But this follow up should get crazier because UFO world has gone nuts since we last spoke. So it's an honor to have you here, man.
Yeah, thanks so much. I'm happy to be back. I mean, we recorded last time in November. Since then we had the hearings. We had like the soul foundation. We had Jake coming forward. We've had so much to touch on. So like you and I talked about, got this back together because a ton of new topics to touch on old stuff to revisit new information. It's been an exciting time.
It's been a crazy time. I don't even know where to start. Maybe we start with the Jake Barber story. So we're in unprecedented territory where we have somebody coming out, a UFO whistleblower claiming firsthand knowledge, saying that he retrieved an egg-shaped craft and then a video coming out of that may have been a little hyped up and anticlimactic. Yeah.
But if you listen to him, a lot of what he says is just extremely internally consistent with, you know, people like Michael Herrera, who you've done a great, great piece on and a lot of other accounts when it comes to, you know, UFOs and crash retrievals. It kind of indicates Stephen Greer as well. And so it's kind of hard to poke holes in actually just the core details of the story.
But yeah, what's your what's your take on this whole Jake Parber phenomena?
To start the video on the News Nation special isn't even that wasn't taken by Jake. And I think that was rather rushed and overhyped. Just like you said, you know, Dr. Nolan came up beforehand, said people would be very happy with this. I don't think anybody was happy with that. But the whole Jake story for me goes back to investigating Michael Herrera.
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Chapter 2: What are some stories of UFO whistleblowers and their experiences?
Right.
So you're saying so way against this Peru case. And then just for the audience, Michael Herrera is this case in Indonesia with this Marine unit.
Yes.
And they see this sort of I guess he calls it Vanta black. Yeah. Eight gone shape that which Jake Barber describes as well. Craft hovering above the treetops. He kind of closes in on it. And then this like. really elite paramilitary unit then basically takes his whole unit into sort of custody and kind of reprimands them.
And then he thinks that this whole thing is part of some sort of psionic asset trafficking scheme where UFO legacy programs are actually taking people in third world countries like Indonesia back to the U.S., in order to summon Kraft. I mean, the whole thing.
Well, initially he thought it was human trafficking. And we'll get into this in a few minutes. It was when he gave his testimony, when Michael Herrera gave his testimony at the 2023 Stephen Greer National Press Club show, that's when Jake Barber was sitting in the audience and said, I know about this and contacted Michael.
We back-channeled it. That was us. We back-channeled that. That was you. That was me.
Oh, my God. But in Michael and Jonathan's encounters, so Jonathan said he saw an extraterrestrial craft or a non-human intelligence craft. Michael has stated, unlike the error report, which lies about this, that he saw a human-made craft. However, there are some similar elements in both aspects.
The crash recovery team in Jonathan's story, some of them wore DOE-lettered rain jackets, and there were other seemingly military operators in black fatigues. They spoke with American dialect but featured no insignia. This was the same thing that Michael described.
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Chapter 3: What role do psionics and mental phenomena play in UFO investigations?
Yeah, 47 to 50, and that was first confirmed in 1986 to UFO researcher William Steinman. Exactly. In the majestic documents, there's an IPU report, Interplanetary Phenomena Unit report, and an IPU field order. Two documents, still disputed, but...
So those are disputed. But the Steinman thing, I believe Steinman contacted somebody in the federal government to gain more access. And they basically said the records had been deleted.
Yeah. And that it only existed in institutional memory. That's right.
But it existed. And so that is that's just so fascinating.
And, you know, I'll get back to Corso, but, you know, maybe we'll talk about the IPU documents later because that actually talks about like a crash retrieval that killed technicians at Sandia National Labs because of the danger of the crash. But so Corso worked for the Foreign Technology Division. This is not in dispute.
You can look through his official military records that said he was the chief of the Foreign Technology Division, not out of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. But the crux of his testimony is that under Arthur Trudeau in 1958 to 1962, we saw the golden age of Army R&D.
And this is where materials recovered from the Roswell crash and possibly other crashes, maybe Aztec, maybe crash at Corona, planes of San Augustine, so forth, that the U.S. Army would partner with the U.S. industry to... figure out how these technologies work and seed them back primarily to help the U S military. And secondly, help the American people if necessary.
Well, we know we never saw the American people if necessary, but it wasn't just to see the technologies.
It was also to improve upon existing technologies that, you know, there's a lot of contention here because some of these technologies were passive night vision systems and guys like Colonel John B. Alexander, who, you know, has made some lies about the majestic documents before, um, dispute this and stuff like the transistor and integrated circuit. Uh,
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Chapter 4: How are deep underground military bases involved in UFO reverse engineering?
And so and then just to add corroboration to the first thing you're mentioning with the Saarbacher Wilbur Smith connection, not only did he run, you know, research and development, you know, under under Vannevar Bush, he was head of Washington National Labs. He was just like atomic energy expert at the highest level in the US. And he was kind of scrubbed. This is Robert Saarbacher.
He was kind of scrubbed from the Internet as well. And he was known for having an IQ of 200 plus or something. Just a brilliant guy. And so he's just this fascinating character who is also very close with Thomas Townsend Brown, who's this anti-gravity inventor at the time.
You know better than anybody.
Well, in 1956, when Thomas Townsend Brown does his experiment in Paris proving the Bifield-Brown effect, and that this works in a vacuum, and I think showing some sort of interesting coupling between electromagnetism and gravity, he comes back to the U.S. and he's picked up in a black Cadillac by Robert Sarbacher, who he's very, very close to. And so there's a lot of connection there.
And so you had a third. So Eric Walker, Robert Sarbacher, both corroboration for this sort of ESP psionic thing.
What else? And then another thing, I'm sure many viewers will know Leonard Stringfield, who's one of the greatest crash retrieval researchers, probably the greatest of all time. In the 70s and 80s, when nobody was doing this, he was researching crash retrievals. He was mainly focusing on witness testimony.
In his files, so in crash retrieval status reports one through seven, as well as when he passed on and Michael Schrat went to his archives in Cincinnati and read through the rest of his reports, he found numerous mentions of witnesses who had observed recovered UFOs and kind of cutaway diagrams accompanying the UFOs and how in certain retrieval cases, there would seem to be like a headband or a headband transceiver worn by individuals
the operators of the craft that somehow would pilot said craft. And that the same thing Corso said, right? In interviews with him, he said that the operators of specifically the Roswell craft were part of the guidance system. So it doesn't seem too far fetched when Jake talks about an asset, a psionic person being able to use their mind to, to commandeer the flight controls of a craft.
When we look at collecting data, one of the areas that we look to collect data is through a psionic asset, which is an individual who's trained in remote viewing. psychic abilities, telekinesis, that type of thing.
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Chapter 5: What is the significance of the Holloman Air Force Base footage in UFO history?
He said, I need to like, I need to know what you're doing. I said, excuse me. He said, I just talked, I just talked to Greer. And he said, you're an intelligence, like you're an intelligence asset. I said, what? So apparently this guy, when we hung up off the phone, he then contacted Greer because he was still in contact with Greer.
And he gave Greer my full name, which I would prefer if he wouldn't have done that. But that's okay. And then Greer said I was an intelligence asset. So that's my one.
And then he said you were not an intelligence. He cleared it up. Or he said you were an intelligence asset. No, Greer said I was an intelligence asset. Why is he basing that on?
Nothing.
He's just fucking saying that you're an intelligence.
Yeah. I've never talked to the guy. Yeah.
I, and, and for the record on record, you'll say you don't have a security clearance.
I don't have a security clearance. I've never been in the military. I've never been in intelligence. Yeah. Graduated with a degree in engineering and I moved to, what do you, what do you do?
Do you have like a day job or is it, or is YouTube your full time?
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Chapter 6: How do federally funded research centers contribute to UFO programs?
And yeah, I I'm with you there. And I just think it's so interesting to try and investigate how players and the government and military. package these concepts and these high energy experiments to classify them and keep them out of public view, especially when it involves kind of extraterrestrials or non-human intelligence.
And for the aero disenjoyers out there, as recently as 2024, the new aero director, John Kozlowski, said that aero is working with both UARCs and FFRDC. So that's something to glom onto. Yeah, he said that when Susan goes sitting right behind him to Gillibrand at the 2024 aero hearing. Whoa.
And then of course, when Sean Kirkpatrick left Arrow, he ran off to Oak Ridge, which go look at the FFRDC's connections there.
Totally. Yeah. Doing a lot of interesting material science there. It's not just a nuclear lab. Like they're doing a lot of frontier science at Oak Ridge.
Many FFRDCs are owned by Battelle Memorial Labs or Triad National Security LLC, which one of those three is Battelle. Battelle is really interesting. I mean, if there's any group out there that is studying actual biologics, it's probably Battelle. They run some sort of biological materials lab out of Fort Detrick and also a lot of really interesting classified work out at Dugway Proving Grounds.
Yeah. It's fascinating. Yeah. And that was always, I believe it was at the HR Cross, HC Cross. You know what I'm talking about?
This memo.
Yeah. Project Stork from Battelle. Project Stork from Battelle, where it's now clear in retrospect. And I think this is a lot due to Richard Dolan's great research that like. You had this cleaving off of the vital study of UFOs. The public-facing stuff was relegated to Project Blue Book and the Air Force.
And then all the private stuff was managed by Battelle Memorial Institute, the CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence, and was classified under the Atomic Energy Commission, which occurred later in 54. But there was a precursor called the McMahon Secrecy Act. And so it would totally make sense that Patel would have a whole lot to do with this.
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Chapter 7: What insights do UFO insiders and whistleblowers provide about hidden technologies?
Is that right?
Yeah. Yeah. It looks like a jello mold with half a ping pong ball at the top. Yep.
And so sort of a typical saucer shape or maybe what you would see in the Kecksburg crash of 1965, like a dome on top.
Yeah. Like a dome on top. And I want to pause here for a second because historically people have said that Mark McCandlish has relayed this story secondhand, which he has because he created line art of the craft, which we'll go into in a second. But, uh, This was not supposed to be published what I found.
And I was, I was told it wasn't supposed to be published by a person, but I found an original interview from, I think, 1990 with Brad Sorenson and Bill Scott of aviation week and space technology. So no longer is this a secondhand retelling. No, this is straight from Brad Sorensen, okay? This is not a secondhand encounter. This is straight from Brad, who, by the way, gave me death threats.
I don't like Brad. Not a nice guy.
Yeah, he sent you some pretty weird shots across the bow and said something about... So Mark McCandless died a sort of strange death. Right. And he said something like, I couldn't protect him anymore or something. And then... I believe the filmmaker who made this documentary, I forget what the name of the documentary is on Mark McCandlish, which is called Zero Point, something about Zero Point.
Yeah, The Hunt for... It's not The Hunt for Zero Point, but something about... Zero Point, like the story of Mark McCandlish.
That's right, something like that. I think James Allen, he died in a weird way.
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