Vani Hari
Appearances
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
It doesn't go bad on the shelf. Whereas what they're using in Canada, carrot juice, blueberry juice, watermelon juice, it has a shelf life, right? It can break down faster. It's a real food product. So it's different, right? That's number one.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
Number two, they like the advantage of using artificial food dyes because in focus groups, they've found that kids will eat more of their product when it's brighter. So they make more money. And that's the part that's sinister to me in the fact that we have the rising rates of childhood obesity and disease. We have 38% of preteens ages of 12 to 18 having prediabetes.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
It used to be zero and now it's 38%. That is unacceptable to me.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
They 100% have a financial stake in the food industry. I mean, I'm just thinking about the recent New York Times piece that said that, you know, what if ultra-processed foods aren't that bad? That one specifically was written by someone who works for like, you know, has consulted with Beyond meat, one of the most processed man-made plant-based meats that I think is complete processed garbage.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
That isn't something that we should be eating. We should be looking at how do we deploy technology so that we can do more regenerative farming and so that we can get people to eat more real food and animals, not like man-made chemicals in a laboratory to have like fake blood in it.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
I had asthma. I was in and out of doctor's offices for most of my life. I was on so many prescription drugs. When my parents would take me to the doctors, they never asked them, what is she eating? What are you feeding her? They never asked about my diet. They just put me on the next medication. And that is how I grew up.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
So when I look at these pieces that are being placed in the media, number one, a lot of times they're being placed by people who are apologists for the food industry, or they're planted by front groups. These front groups are something that I write about in my book, Feeding You Lies, where I talk about the food industry's playbook and how to unravel it.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
In there, they use these front groups that are very innocuous and they think, you see their name and you're like, wow, they sound so reputable. Like the American Council for Science and Health or the Genetic Literacy Project.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
You see these different names and you're like, oh, they just sound so scientific and they're full of experts and they're gonna tell me the truth about what's really happening and let me feel better about my processed food habit. Well, that's their purpose, is they're basically trying to be apologists for the big food and big chemical industries. And they place this with these news outlets.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
And on top of it, from the political standpoint, and this is where I feel like I'm living in the Twilight Zone, where I'm waiting with bated breath at this very moment of the first Democrat that's going to say, yes, I will confirm Robert F. Kennedy Jr. for the Secretary of Health and Human Services I'm waiting on bated breath for that. And everyone is staying on party lines.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
The same thing happened in media, where nobody would have me on, like CNN, NBC, none of them would have me on their network during the election. But as soon as the election was over, they're calling me. I'm like, this is where we're at, where we're just going to let our American kids suffer. That is something that every American should rise up against and say, enough is enough.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
Like, when are we going to say, you know what? We're not going to buy your products anymore, Kellogg's. This is not something we're going to do. And also... We say to the media, this isn't fair to our children. You need to give us real reporting.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
And this is why we have to decouple some of the big food advertising towards little children from media so that the Today Show will actually cover this and it's not just Fox and Friends.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
Well, yeah. I mean, I just said one. First of all, get the marketing towards little children, junk food marketing from little children out of the media. There's over 10,000 food additives approved for use in the United States. Europe only allows four. Simple. Go down to that number. That would make a fundamental impact on the quality of our food.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
I say instead of subsidies to big ag for GMOs and factory farms, we should subsidize regenerative farming, which will dramatically reduce the amount of pesticides being used on our food. This will help our farmers grow a much more wide variety of crops, moving away from ultra-processed foods that are made with corn and soybeans and sugar or sugar beets.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
In my early 20s, I hit rock bottom when I ended up in the hospital having to get my appendix taken out, one of my organs. At the time, they said, your appendix is something that you don't even need. It's an organ that just can come out. They made such a light situation out of it, but I started to question what the doctors were telling me, which is, why do we evolve and
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
we gotta root out the corruption from our health agencies. We've gotta stop the conflicts of interest with big food and pharma and chemical corporations. We have close to 50% of the funding of the FDA coming from industry, and they say they're not gonna criticize the food industry.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
So it's like, even if you just required the warning labels that they require in Europe on artificial food dyes, so American parents could know the harms of choosing that product and eating that ingredient,
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
They understand this. They can get it done. Just looking at RFK Jr. 's track record, how he won a historic $2.2 billion case against Monsanto and Roundup Wheat Killer, and it showed that it's strongly linked to cancer. I think seeing his determination, he's so incredibly passionate about this subject. And then when it comes to Dr. McCary, he's absolutely incredible. I mean, I've read his books.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
He understands how corrupt medicine these institutions have been. And he also understands like looking at root cause analysis from a functional medicine perspective. And so I would much rather have someone in that position that gets these issues fundamentally. And by the way, publicly supported the fact that he's not buying Kellogg's because of this situation as well. I mean, I was floored.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
I was like, yes, thank you, doctor. And it's incredible. So he gets it. He understands this.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
These are simple changes we could make today that if our governments, leaders, and agencies put the hatred for each other away and just think about American children and think about how many people are on Adderall to help these issues, how fundamentally they can change American children and help improve their lives and their teachers' lives and their parents' lives.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
having an appendix first of all, but I wanted to find answers of like what happened to my appendix of why it was about to burst. And so when I started to research really what was happening in my body, I found out that I had extreme inflammation and that was coming from my diet.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
And when I started to make changes shortly after that scare and that situation, I remember getting this one big book and in it, there was a concept in it that hit me like a ton of bricks. And it was that the majority of foods on the grocery store shelf are dead. They're not alive.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
And I was like, that's how I've felt for most of my life, like a zombie, not wanting to get up in the morning and go to school, not wanting to participate in activities and physical sport activities because I didn't have the energy because of my asthma.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
And so when I started to take the concepts in that book and apply them to my life, and I started to eat as much real living food as possible, things like fruits and vegetables and things that I would find at the farmer's market, My whole life changes. I mean, it was dramatic to the point where I lost all of the weight that I had put on as a result of this lifestyle.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
But I also started to realize a level of health that I never thought was possible. I got off nine prescription drugs. And the people around me that grew up with me, my relatives, my friends, they were like, whoa. You have made a dramatic transformation in your appearance. What are you doing? We want a piece of what you're doing.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
And they begged me actually to start a blog to share this information, to share my recipes and what I was doing and why suddenly I refused to eat candy because it had artificial food dyes. And they wanted to know the green drink that I was drinking and what was in it and how they could make it at home. And this is before, you know, we even had a Whole Foods in Charlotte.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
Back then, it was the little mom and pop natural food stores or the farmer's market. And so I had to really teach people people in my community and people around me on these new methodologies of how to take care of your health and actually look at the root cause of what's happening in your body.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
And I started to realize that there were so many people out there beyond my friends and my family that didn't know the truth about what was happening in our food supply. And I wanted to investigate it for them. And I wanted to investigate it for my own personal reasons in that there are so many products that I thought were healthy but weren't actually healthy.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
Things that I thought were good for me because of the fact that they only had 400 calories or this many fat grams or whatnot, or they had the marketing of, quote unquote, eat fresh at their fast food chain that I was eating fresh, but I found out I wasn't. And so I started to investigate these major fast food chains, major food companies, and the company started reaching out to me.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
I think the first one that reached out was a yogurt chain who I was very upset with because they were really promoting the fact that they were using organic milk for their yogurt. And I was like, this is amazing. This is so awesome. I could go to the mall and I could have this treat and it's good for me.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
But when you looked at the ingredients, they were coloring their products with artificial food dye. They were putting in preservatives and trans fats. Yes, they were starting with organic milk, but they were adding, you know, 30 more chemicals to the concoction that they put in the machines. And so I wrote about that and how duped I felt.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
And it went so viral that the CEO of the company reached out to me, pulled the marketing off their stores and apologized. Wow. And that was my first taste of activism and my first taste of, oh my gosh, my voice can make a difference. And it was probably when Chick-fil-A invited me to their headquarters after I wrote an article called Chemical Filet or Chick-fil-A.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
I showed the hundred ingredients that they have in their Chick-fil-A sandwich and how I thought they were healthier than going to McDonald's. But when I compared them to the McDonald's ingredients, they were virtually the same. And this really shocked people.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
I mean, it went so viral that the executives at Chick-fil-A invited me to their headquarters to consult on their menu items on how to make their ingredients better. And when I was taking off work to go there to consult with them instead of consulting with banking institutions, I was like, okay, something got to give here. Like this is obviously way more impactful than what I'm doing at the banks.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
And so I ended up deciding to quit my job. And when I quit my job, I was not making a dime doing Food Babe. It was literally there as a passion project. So it was something that I had to really figure out. The beautiful thing that happened after I quit my job was I was able to spend 100% of my time researching the food industry. And the first thing that I did was I was an avid traveler.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
I love to travel. It's been a passion of mine since I was a little girl. And whenever I would go to Europe or another country, I'd always feel better. I felt I felt better. I liked the food better. It tasted better. And I was like, what's going on here? Like, why is it so different?
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
And so I started to compare products that we have here in the United States to products that they sell in other countries. But the exact same products. So like a Doritos package here in the United States versus a Doritos package in Europe. And I would compare the ingredients. And I did this large experiment. and I think the title is something like how US companies are exploiting Americans.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
And I showed this stark differences between the same product that's being sold here and in other countries and how in other countries they're using better and safer ingredients. And while here they're using man-made chemical additives. And that side-by-side comparison went so viral that it was an opportunity to finally say, you know what, we need to hold the food companies accountable for this.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
You know, one of the examples in that investigation was Quaker Oats. Here in the United States, Quaker Oats was a strawberry Quaker oak pack had dyed apple pieces to make it strawberry, dyed with a red 40, an artificial food dye linked to hyperactivity in children and can be contaminated with carcinogens. But in Europe, they're using real strawberries.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
And, you know, that product, Quaker quickly got onto that and that product doesn't exist anymore, thankfully. But it was... Something that I just couldn't believe the stark differences. And so I decided to take on one of the largest food companies in the world, which was Kraft at the time. And they were serving little children mac and cheese with artificial food dyes, yellow five and yellow six.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
While in Europe, they're using paprika and beta carotene. Wow. And, you know, it was a viral petition. It was so exciting. For the first time, we were on national TV. It gained a lot of steam, like 270,000 signatures very quickly. And on April 1st, it wasn't Happy Fool's Day for Kraft that day because I took the petition to their headquarters and I demanded a meeting. And they sat down with me.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
They really did. And I sat down and I looked them in the eye and I just said, why? aren't you doing this for American children? You already have the formulation in other countries. Why are we getting the man-made additives that are linked to all of these health issues that we're experiencing? We have crazy chronic rates of disease for our kids, close to half of children on some kind of medication.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
What is going on here? And they looked at me and they said, we have to agree to disagree. And they dismissed me. And I said, you know what? I'm not gonna let up. I'm gonna keep leading the charge. I'm gonna keep educating the public. I'm gonna tell people the truth about these chemicals.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
And within six or seven months, they had to change because what happened was we were able to change the marketplace. People went from Kraft macaroni and cheese to their competitor, Annie's, who didn't use artificial food dyes. And then General Mills saw an opportunity. We're gonna buy Annie's for $800 million. And so at that point, Kraft's like, shoot, we're going to lose all our market share.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
We need to change right now. And they did, which was great. And the funniest part of it all, which just makes me laugh to this day, is whenever they told the press that they were making the change, they're like, it had nothing to do with the petition, right? It had nothing to do with the worldwide press on this issue. So I took that momentum and And I continued it and took on more giants.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
Yeah, my parents came here as immigrants in the 1960s. And when they came to the United States, they were big on adopting the American culture. And so when my dad went back to have an arranged marriage to my mother in India, and they ended up coming here to live the rest of their life, the first thing he introduced her to was a McDonald's hamburger.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
Well, shortly after taking on Subway, I ended up taking on the beer industry. I took on Starbucks. Starbucks removed caramel coloring level four from their drinks and posted their ingredients for the first time in history. They were actually hiding their drink ingredients for many, many years from the public. But
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
After I took all of those giants on, you know, I sort of receive a lot of attacks and they try to take my character down and they try to do whatever they can to get me to stop. And it was very intense. And at the time I could say I was super kind of naive about what I was doing because I was like,
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
wait a minute, if I just tell the truth and they do the right thing and these companies change, this is great for everybody, right? But I didn't realize that there's some factory that makes azodicarbonamide and now they got to be shut down and people are losing their jobs and there's money lost by these companies that have to change their formulations and all of that.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
And I'm affecting a trillion dollar industry, really, you know? And so... I was like, oh boy, I'm going up against the giants. Like this is really intense. And it was the moment that I started the Kellogg's petition, which is when my daughter saw Baby Shark cereal at the grocery store. She was two at the time.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
And I had remembered that Kellogg's said that they were gonna remove artificial food dyes. So I was like, oh my gosh, let me check the ingredients. It's 2019 now. They said they would do it by 2018. It's gotta be done by now. And this is a new product. So of course they've done it, right? They didn't.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
They started creating new products and targeting the littlest modern children of today by using the most popular toddler song, Baby Shark. And now my daughter is interested in this product that they still are poisoning us with ingredients they don't use in other countries. In Europe, in Canada, in Australia, in India, Kellogg's doesn't use artificial food dyes. Here in the United States, they do.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
And they said they would remove them. So I was like, why isn't anybody in Washington or the press or anybody holding them accountable for this commitment they made? They made Worldwide Press when they made the commitment and got the praise from it, but no one's holding these companies accountable for their actions. Their shareholders aren't doing it. Like, what is happening here?
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
And so I was like, you know what? I'm starting a petition. And so I was so glad and happy that two of my friends food fighters in this space I got connected with earlier this year, Callie Means and Jason Karp. We started working together again on how to take on big food. And it was, let's finish the job with Kellogg's. So Jason got into the fight.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
He wrote a shareholder letter, sent it to Kellogg's and saying, you know, this is unacceptable. You must remove artificial food dyes. And they were gonna have a meeting with us. but they actually reneged on the meeting because we wanted to bring some doctors to the table because they wanted to bring the Consumer Brands Association with them.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
Now, the Consumer Brands Association is the biggest big food lobby group in Washington. They're going to do whatever they can to belittle you or to make you look like your pseudoscientist or your fear mongerer. And they will use whatever they can to kind of spin the situation against you.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
And so we're like, okay, if you're going to bring the Consumer Brands Association, a huge lobbying group with you, we'll bring our scientists with us that show that these artificial food dyes are causing harm to children. They didn't like that. And so they shut down the meeting. Once they did that, they left us no decision at that point.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
And that's how I was raised on an American standard diet. We were one of the only Indian families in Charlotte at that point, Charlotte, North Carolina, where I grew up and where I live now. So everything was kind of handed to us in terms of what we should be eating. And my parents were very trusting of the American food system. And As a result, I was really sick as a child. I had eczema.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
And it was like, how can we bring the most attention to this as possible? And when I was invited to be part of the Senate Roundtable with Senator Ron Johnson, I was able to finally discuss how American companies are using better, safer ingredients for other countries and not us.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
And I was able to show the examples, not with just Kellogg's, but so many other brands on how we are systematically being poisoned here in the United States because our FDA allows it to happen. They literally just said two weeks ago, that they will not criticize the food industry. If they will not criticize the food industry, how can they hold them accountable?
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
And in the room was Robert F. Kennedy Jr. also giving testimony, and he heard my testimony, and I could tell it really resonated with him. This has been something that's been important to him, and he gets these issues. And it was such a beautiful moment because when he was giving his closing remarks, he said something so profound. He said,
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
another country was doing this to us, it would be considered an act of war. But these are our own American companies, and it's un-American.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
I think it's a couple things. So first, I think they're going to eventually change. I know they are. There's no way they're going to be able to be a viable company in the next 100 years with artificial food dyes. There's too much awareness happening. We have leadership at the highest levels bringing this awareness down. Every single mainstream news station is talking about these issues.
Morning Wire
Food Babe’s MAHA Mission | 2.2.25
It's absolutely incredible, the movement that has been created and the grassroots movement. We literally have unstoppable momentum. And so I know they're going to change. But the two reasons why they wouldn't change, well, that they are maybe putting their heads in the sand is that number one, artificial food dyes are cheaper for them to buy because it's a petroleum-based product.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Boomers and Banned Food Dyes
Hey, Charlie, I just want to say thank you so much for amplifying my voice during the Kellogg's campaign. It was absolutely incredible. The grassroots movement and to putting turning point resources out there to capture that moment, because, you know, frankly, the mainstream media wasn't there.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Boomers and Banned Food Dyes
And so it was absolutely incredible to have your organization carry our voices and look at us now, look at what we've accomplished. So thank you.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Food dye, ADHD, and Corporate Lies: How Big Food Targets Your Kids | Vani Hari
It's being inundated in just about everything that we eat. And so it's in a conventional grocery store setting. So this is something that I think we need real scientific review on. to ban these chemicals from our food supply if they warrant that, right?
The Dr. Hyman Show
Food dye, ADHD, and Corporate Lies: How Big Food Targets Your Kids | Vani Hari
And based on the scientific review that I've done personally just on, and I know you've done too on, I think there's 80 different studies that show some kind of harmful effect of dyes on children. I think that alone should warrant a warning label. And that can be implemented within six months, I think. You could ask the manufacturers to do that.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Food dye, ADHD, and Corporate Lies: How Big Food Targets Your Kids | Vani Hari
And that warning label alone would not only motivate the food companies to remove artificial food dyes from their products, but it would also educate the public on the effects of these dyes. And could you imagine every single morning you take that box of cereal and you put it on your counter or on your breakfast table or whatever. And you know everybody reads the box of cereal on the back, right?
The Dr. Hyman Show
Food dye, ADHD, and Corporate Lies: How Big Food Targets Your Kids | Vani Hari
And imagine having that warning on there every single day. those companies are not going to want that, right? And so I think that is one step towards transparency. It's one step towards education. I think that could help move the market in the right direction. The grass loophole that you mentioned, that 100% has to be closed.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Food dye, ADHD, and Corporate Lies: How Big Food Targets Your Kids | Vani Hari
We actually have to have some scientific review of chemicals that are introduced into our food supply. Someone needs to be able to say, hey, this is something that shouldn't be in our food supply, or you need to provide more safety data on this. We need to adopt that precautionary principle that Europe does.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Food dye, ADHD, and Corporate Lies: How Big Food Targets Your Kids | Vani Hari
Also, the ingredient monodiglycerides, which is a new chemical that you've seen and kind of replaced that partially hydrogenated oil, that acts very similar to those trans fatty acids and contains minute amounts of trans fatty acids. When I spoke to all of these different food scientists from Cornell University about this chemical, because I was shocked.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Food dye, ADHD, and Corporate Lies: How Big Food Targets Your Kids | Vani Hari
to see that this molecule still contains trans fatty acids, but doesn't need to be labeled as that on the label. So the food industry figured out a trick to make it so that the fats and the oils don't break down in the product by using this chemical. This is something that you'll find in bread, at the grocery store, you'll find in crackers, you'll find in just about every fast food.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Food dye, ADHD, and Corporate Lies: How Big Food Targets Your Kids | Vani Hari
It's a really kind of nasty chemical that I think that nobody should be eating.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Food dye, ADHD, and Corporate Lies: How Big Food Targets Your Kids | Vani Hari
Yeah, it does. And I think there's going to be a lot of nuance in terms of determining the levels of ultra processed food. But I think if we can give... consumers some real education about what ultra-processed means versus processed, I think that's the first step. And I own a food company called Trivani, and we make a processed bar, right?
The Dr. Hyman Show
Food dye, ADHD, and Corporate Lies: How Big Food Targets Your Kids | Vani Hari
But we use ingredients you would find in your own kitchen. Nuts, seeds, maple syrup, dates, right? That's a type of product that you want to consume, that you can recognize the ingredients, that they would be something that you would combine in your own kitchen.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Food dye, ADHD, and Corporate Lies: How Big Food Targets Your Kids | Vani Hari
not something that has the monodiglycerides and the natural flavors and like all of these other chemicals that the food industry uses to kind of trick your brain into liking a food more than you should and creating that addictive quality that has been so problematic in the rise of obesity in this country and why so many people have a problem with
The Dr. Hyman Show
Food dye, ADHD, and Corporate Lies: How Big Food Targets Your Kids | Vani Hari
That is a really interesting question. And I find it so unbelievable that they haven't done anything yet. But, you know, that day when we went there to deliver the petitions, I thought they were going to meet with us.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Food dye, ADHD, and Corporate Lies: How Big Food Targets Your Kids | Vani Hari
I thought they were going to invite us in and we were going to hand off the petitions in person, whether they talked to us or told us we have to agree to disagree, which is what Kraft did several years ago before they changed eventually.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Food dye, ADHD, and Corporate Lies: How Big Food Targets Your Kids | Vani Hari
um you know i didn't know what was going to happen but i never expected a security guard to come out and receive those petitions and no one representing actual kellogg's being there to talk to us like i couldn't believe it yes they had a security guard and so you know when we looked up into the building we saw the executives some still left in the building they actually told all of their employees to go home that day
The Dr. Hyman Show
Food dye, ADHD, and Corporate Lies: How Big Food Targets Your Kids | Vani Hari
And so nobody was going in and out of the building. And we looked up and there were still some executives in the building and they started looking down at us and they were smiling, making faces. And eventually one guy brings over a rolling whiteboard and writes, get off our lawn to all the women and children behind me that are
The Dr. Hyman Show
Food dye, ADHD, and Corporate Lies: How Big Food Targets Your Kids | Vani Hari
you know, supporting this cause and asking Kellogg's to uphold their commitment and, you know, do what's right. And it was it was such a moment of like, how stupid can you be as a corporation to do that, to Well, a group of people that truly care about changing the food system.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Food dye, ADHD, and Corporate Lies: How Big Food Targets Your Kids | Vani Hari
But also, if anything, they added fire to the to the to the movement because it was, you know, if they had sat down with us that day, they would have inoculated us in a way because we would have said, oh, they're listening. Oh, they they're they're going to take time to think about this. Maybe they'll communicate with us, whatever. Right.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Food dye, ADHD, and Corporate Lies: How Big Food Targets Your Kids | Vani Hari
But instead, they turned their back on us, told us to get off their lawn. And that's when the national boycott happened, which resulted in the numbers that you just talked about. And now, you know, what's very interesting is their stock price recently just went up and shot up all of a sudden. And I was like, wait, what's going on? There's got to be something that's happening, right?
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Well, what's happening is there are companies looking at taking it over. Private companies like Ferrero is the candy maker on the street that's looking at taking over Kellogg's. And this is actually something that happened shortly after this all was going down.
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When I was talking to a consultant in the food industry and trying to figure out what was going on at Kellogg's, they said things are so backwards there that they cannot figure out how to actually make this change without losing a lot of money.
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So one way that they would do it to be viable is actually take their company private, make the changes, and then eventually come back as a public company later on. That was one way that this consultant recommended that this could happen. And I'm like, oh my gosh, that's actually what's about to happen, I think, because this is what the market is seeing right now. And so
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I don't know what the future holds for Kellogg's. I know that they've suffered in terms of PR. They've suffered in terms of brand value. I can tell you Fruit Loops sales are down as well as all of their cereals. Most of their cereals are down. I don't know if all of them are, but I have to go back and look at the latest data, but But the majority of them are down.
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Apple Jacks, even Raisin Bran was down because people were like, you know what? We're not supporting Kellogg's because they did this to the American public because really it's about the fact that they continue to sell poisonous ingredients to children here in the United States and not in other countries. And that's the argument that nobody can argue with. And it's time for that to change.
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And everyone knows it. And the best way to get Kellogg's to respond at this point is to make sure your school does not serve Kellogg's for breakfast or any Kellogg's products, because that's you know, one of the ways that they make money because they're allowed to sell this to different schools across the nation.
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So even though you might make the choice at the grocery store, your child still could be consuming this product and other children out there that may not know the truth about these artificial dyes and how they affect their brains.
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They call it a sanitarium, which is just. Yeah, it's just such a weird name. Yeah.
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Yeah, you know, I actually wrote a whole book about this because I was so... I'm stunned at what happens when you start to tell the truth about the food industry. And, you know, you've been such an amazing leader in this movement, a hero in this movement, Dr. Mark Hyman. I mean, you know, just...
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It's so funny, I had a memory pop up just this week, 10 years ago, my book hit number one in the nation. And it said Bonnie Hari and Dr. Mark Hyman, because you wrote the foreword for that. And it was so awesome to see your name right next to mine right there. And it's just this reminder of how long we've been doing this work and how it was...
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It was leaders like you that backed me up early on and said, she's telling the truth, guys. Like, this is true, right? When everybody was trying to take me down because when I was getting big corporations to remove a lot of these chemicals from their foods, like Subway removing azodicarbonamide, which...
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Ended up getting almost every bread manufacturer in America to remove that chemical that you can find in yoga mats and shoe rubber. That, you know, when it's heated, it turns into a carcinogen. Definitely should not be in our food. But of course, they're not using it in other countries, but still using here in the United States. Still approved for use by the FDA today.
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you know, getting the artificial dyes out of Kraft macaroni and cheese, getting the beer companies to be more transparent and release the ingredients in beer, getting Starbucks to remove caramel coloring from their products and post their ingredients and getting Chipotle to go GMO free. I think that one really angered the biotech industry.
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And so they created like a paid for campaign to destroy my character anytime I was written about in any mainstream media article or I was featured on television, they would attack that TV station or attack that news outlet. When I was on the cover of a magazine, they attacked the magazine on Amazon, bringing down its rating.
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You know, they were doing so many different things like a coordinated campaign attack that was being, we found out it was being funded primarily through Monsanto. And we found out through the Freedom of Information Request Act when I
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submitted these requests to these different ex quote-unquote experts that were showing up in all of these different articles being the attack dog in them using their credentials as a professor or a phd or whatever um to say she doesn't know what she's talking about she's pseudoscientific she's a fear monger whenever they would use it was it was kind of like the basic like
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trio of arguments every time. Fear monger, pseudoscientific. She's dumb. She doesn't know what she's talking about. She doesn't have a degree. They use their credentials against me. And so then I found out that there's this sinister group
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of what they call front groups that you mentioned, you know, that sounds so reputable, like to the average bystander and person on the street, the American Council for Science and Health. Wow, that sounds so profound and so amazing, right? And they have all these doctors and then you find out that they've gotten money from every single big food, big pharma, big chem doctor
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to literally be their mouthpiece in the media and to be their attack dog because they can't be seen as the person actually attacking these activists, right? Like you can't, Kellogg's doesn't want to find out, like you don't want to find out Kellogg's is doing it because people will stop eating Kellogg's, right? But if they use these front groups,
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to do it then they can kind of get away with this these type of attacks and a lot of times these character assassinations will stop people from speaking out and i would have to say there was a moment in time in 2015 after my book hit number one and then a bunch of other accolades started to occur and and i started to get some really big momentum and getting food companies to start changing there was this just kind of snowball effect of so many food companies starting to change like
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Companies I didn't even have to petition or campaign about. I just would write about and they would change. Like, for example, Papa John's removed all artificial ingredients. You know, Subway eventually ended up removing all artificial ingredients. So many different chains just started to follow suit. And when they saw that power, they immediately unleashed kind of a gauntlet on me.
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And I just remember... kind of, you know, I just, I also, I think, you know, there was a time period where, and I don't know if I can say this, you can edit this out, but even our, our common publisher was worried of you actually being on the cover of my book as a, as a, as a forward, because, you know, I was getting attacked so much.
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You did, you held firm and that's the hero that you are because you're standing for truth. And I love that about you in the library.
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you know, having this conversation so many years later still, but it's, you know, at the time I had to kind of like look back and say, you know, and I had some amazing guidance from some amazing people that came into my life and was like, you know, they just kind of taught me the ways and they're like, Hey, did you think the evil people of the world are just going to sit back and take this?
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No, they're not. And I think this is one of the reasons why I'm so spiritually connected to Bobby Kennedy, because he's also endured this enormous attack on his character and this narrative that they've placed in the media about who he is that he's not. And, and, and that is something that I experienced and into the point where it made me at one point want to stop doing this work.
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I was very concerned. And I, I'd have to say, even when I became a mom shortly thereafter, it pushed me back from this work because I was so scared because I was getting death threats and rape threats and people driving by my house and, you know, having to have security when I went to go speak at different universities and
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And that is something that I said, OK, well, maybe I need to to take a step back and try to change the food industry some different way. And I did that by creating my own company with trying to change the food industry from the inside out. And but it's kind of like, you know, when you find your calling, it keeps calling.
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And that is you can say that that's what's happened to me in this in this realm of like why I'm back in the game and why I wanted to take on Kellogg's and why I wanted to take on this issue that, again, I've been fighting for for so long. And I think what I also figured out was that this mission is bigger than just myself.
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And when I kind of separated my body and my being and my body, Hari, from what's happening on the outside to me, that was the moment that I said, okay, this is the mission is bigger than just myself. So whatever happens to me in terms of being attacked or whatever, it doesn't matter because I can help.
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One more person not suffer the way I suffered as a child and prevent that suffering, then this work is worth it. And I started to just focus on willing. I started to ignore the haters online, which were actually a paid for group, you know, coordinated to attack me. I started to call them out by writing a whole book about it, naming names.
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Feeding You Lies.
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Taking 400,000 signatures at Kellogg's headquarters was quite the, I would say, pivotal moment in my career. When I started doing this work several years ago, over 10 years ago, I took some petitions to craft headquarters. And I was met there with maybe 10 people, right? We went there and it was such a different stage in terms of who I was met with when I went.
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You know, I think this time we definitely have a little bit more power than just the first lady. I think there's only so much the first lady could get done without being in a position of heading a department, for example, that oversees all of this, being the director of the FDA.
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President Obama, you know, back then put Michael Taylor as, you know, the deputy director of the FDA, someone who was, you know, coming from Monsanto. Yeah. There were a lot of conflicts of interest within those organizations that prevented Michelle Obama from doing what she really wanted to do.
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I think that's what makes this time so different because Bobby gets that the conflicts of interest need to be removed. And the gutting of these agencies that you're seeing where they're asking several hundred people to leave is because they want new blood in there. People that actually get these issues, that are going to be intellectually honest about these issues, that don't have...
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the sneaky ties to industry where they're going to end up going to go work for industry after they leave their four years in Washington. What's going to happen is that not only are you going to get those people that get these issues in, but they want to make it more efficient.
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I mean, health leaders from all across the country came to meet me there and speak. And as well as a thousand people on the ground, moms, children, concerned citizens, people that are fed up, have had enough
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make some of this make it so that it doesn't take 30 years to ban red three which is what just happened right when they banned it out of cosmetics 30 years ago but left it in food because the maraschino cherry industry decided to lobby lobby congress and they used the power of the alcohol industry because the maraschino cherries is what drove alcohol sales and so the alcohol industry is the one that was the most concerned about this right so they
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you know lobbied the fda to keep it in food and so like if we can prevent those things from happening to to make sure that there's common sense scientific regulations happening in our regulatory bodies then we have some hope i think back to this very simple thought we look at our life expectancy we see that it is less than every single other developing nation we see that i think we're like just we're just we're just i think a little bit uh below albania
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Yeah, I mean, but we spend the most on health care. And if we can start looking at the root cause of what's happening, I think that's where, you know, things can change. And you've talked a little bit about this just a minute ago, how this is a bipartisan effort. Really, health should not be political. But the way that the big food companies and big chem will win is if they make it political.
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And they make it so that half the country is against the other half of the country. And so if you see these fights start to break out where people are fighting against what Bobby's trying to do and Dr. Marty McCary at the FDA, and they're doing progress, right? Or they're trying to make some headway. I mean, I'm just even thinking about how
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There's already this kind of narrative like, oh my gosh, all these people got asked to leave in HHS. And it's like, what do you expect? This is a new wave of thinking. They want new fresh blood in. They want new people in. And the fact that Jim Jones just... for example, resigned.
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Citizen activists like me and we've had enough. These companies are lying to us. They're poisoning us with ingredients they've already figured out how to remove from their products. They already have the formulations. They've shown it in so many different countries.
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with the food industry doing this practice, which is using ingredients that are banned or heavily regulated in other countries in the exact same products that they use here in the United States, using safer, better for you chemicals, and using more toxic, more poisonous chemicals here in the United States in the same exact product that they sell overseas.
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That's right. He was he was head of U.S. Foods. They had Kyle right in there to take his reins. And that wasn't something that happened overnight. That was something that's been in the works for months. OK, because, again, there's this there's this amazing.
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It's funny because I'm watching these narratives take place in the media and I'm seeing how they want to make this administration look bad, but they don't know what's been happening behind the scenes.
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And behind the scenes, Bobby Kennedy has been looking at his transition team for so long and trying to work on all of the different people that are going to be in place in these different high level positions. And so the fact that they were able to, you know, announced that so quickly right after is not because they went and found Kyle and interviewed him and figured it all out.
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They've known him for a while, right? And they've been grooming him into this position. And so it's something that, again, is... I'm watching the political theater happen, but then I also have insight of what's happening behind the scenes. And so it's such a, it's such an interesting thing for me because again, politically I've been jaded because again,
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I had a lot of hope for President Obama and Michelle Obama in these issues. You know, when he said he would label GMOs, I thought he was going to do it, right? But he didn't mention it one time in the first four years. And so I, again, ran again for delegates so that I can hold him accountable for that. And so I think there's this...
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Absolutely. And so, you know, when I saw that go down, I just was like, OK, I'm not I'm not going to put my political capital behind a leader again. I'm going to work on these issues and I'm going to be an activist and I'm going to I'm going to stay out of the political game. Right.
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But I kind of got thrust back in it now because we have for the first time in history, somebody who wants to fix these issues and has made it part of their campaign. And and has been very clear about it. And it's given me more hope than I've ever had in my life. And it's made me now get back into politics.
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And again, it can be so dirty when you're watching the media try to pit everybody against each other. But this is the message I want to give out to your listeners. I want you to think through the politics. I want you to think through the politics. And I want you to think about what we're saying here.
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Americans should not be consuming these chemicals, especially when these companies have already removed them in other countries. We should not be giving Coca-Cola and Pepsi subsidies from the government for the SNAP program, for example.
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Like they should not be getting a handout from the government, from our taxpayer money, a sugary junk drink that provides no nutritional value to these lower income families. This is something that's got to stop. We've got to get out the conflicts of interest that have allowed the food companies to control our government agencies, right?
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And so Fruit Loops was a perfect example of this, the fact that They have a version of Fruit Loops in Canada and Australia and Korea and India and all of Europe that doesn't have artificial food dyes. But here in the United States, it does. And this is something that has been the crux of all of my activism since day one when I quit my job as a corporate consultant.
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Like when you look at those three things on its base value, there's nobody that can't that can argue against that, right? I mean, this is something that, and they won't try to argue.
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to become a food activist full time. It was the first investigation that I did was I compared the American products, the exact same American products that are sold here in the United States compared to those same products that are sold in other countries. And when I compared the ingredient list, I mean, I was shocked.
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Yeah. I mean, I think getting involved, becoming an activist, and I think this was what's been so beautiful about the Food Babe Army, who I call, you know, the community that, you know, not only care about their own health, but they're willing to call these companies and ask for change. They're willing to meet me at the headquarters of these companies now and meet me in Washington too.
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It's been so incredible. And I think there's, going back to what you said earlier, there's so much state legislation happening at the state level. So everybody can get involved. I think there's over 23 states that have enacted some type of introduced some type of legislation either to remove dyes or banned dyes or create warning labels.
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There's been SNAP legislation to remove Coca-Cola and PepsiCo dollars from SNAP and other junk food. There's been other legislation being discussed as well around ultra-processed foods and the European regulations. So there's stuff happening at the state level, which is so exciting because an
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You can get involved and all you have to do is call your House and Senate members locally, tell them how important these issues are. When you see some legislation being introduced and there's testimony, you can offer to testify even and give your thoughts about these issues. And I know that takes a lot of guts and a lot of courage, but it's really easy.
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And a lot of times you can just read right off of your paper. It's not that hard, right? Like you can go there and just... make your voice heard. And I think that's what's so important is that we all need to make our voices heard, whether it's at the state level or the federal level and or at the company level, like calling these companies and asking them to change goes a long way.
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And in contacting their customer support, telling them that, you know, you've had enough, creating petitions, doing all of that work, you know, is something that you can do as well. But again, locally in your school saying, okay, You know what? Kellogg's has figured out how to make these cereals better for so many other countries. We deserve the same at this school.
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I'm going to ask my school administrator to not buy Kellogg's anymore. What can we do at the local level? I think now is the opportunity to get involved more than ever because, again, of this just widespread awareness and awareness This is what happens when we have leadership at the highest levels talking about these issues.
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It gives people the courage to come forward in their own local communities to do this work as well and realize that, you know, this is not, you know, pseudoscientific or fear mongering. This is real information and this is real root cause analysis of why we're so sick. And we can start to get the chemicals out of our food and make it so that we have the
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our government dollars going towards regenerative farming and organic agriculture and making sure that we have a system that isn't going to keep us sick, that we're going to get from a system of sick care to health care, like actual health care, which is where we haven't been. And when I look at the last 25 HHSs in our history of American government, They have utterly failed the American public.
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And back then, I just remember one of the first ones I discovered was so alarming. I mean, Quaker oats, it's no longer this way. But back then, 10 years ago, it was. Quaker Oats strawberries and cream here in the United States was artificially dyed apple bits with red 40, a petroleum, you know, crude oil based dye.
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If you combine that with the trajectory that we're on in terms of the rates of chronic disease, the fact that there are 38% of preteens having prediabetes, the fact that 40% of kids have said that they have some kind of
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you know mental health issue like this is something that's got to change we have a stake in the ground now we have again leadership at the highest levels giving us the open door to attack these issues and the media thankfully is allowing us to talk about these issues in a way that has never been happened before some of the media still i have not gotten the call i just have to say i have not gotten a call
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from anybody at NBC. NBC has not covered the Kellogg's campaign, has not asked me to talk about any of the work that I've been doing, has not talked about the Senate hearing that we had that day with so many different leaders from across the nation. It was, again, four hours of non-political, non-partisan discussion about how to save humanity.
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So yes, there are networks that are still not engaging in this conversation. And that is a shame on them.
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But if you bought the same strawberries and cream Quaker Oats in Europe, it had real strawberries in it. And seeing those stark differences and what's been done to our food supply versus other countries by the same company, that's what made me so mad because it was like it was just this unethical business practice that these companies were engaging in. And
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One of the first ones that I removed from my diet was just industrial oils. So coming from genetically engineered crops like corn, soy, canola, and cottonseed. First of all, those crops are... Those seeds are designed to withstand heavy doses of Roundup, which is the main chemical in Roundup. Glyphosate is linked to cancer and is something that we should be avoiding.
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So that alone in itself is a reason. But then the way that these oils are then processed, they're extracted using chemical solvents like hexane, which... The FDA does not monitor the amount of hexane residue that remains in the product. Then they are bleached. They're deodorized because they smell awful when they've been extracted. And so they have to cover up the smell.
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And then they add other chemicals that may not end up on the label to these products. So it ends up the way that they are processed ends up being almost a rancid type product. And then. this specific type of oil is 60% of Americans' diets. And when we look at the rising rates of chronic disease, this could be a contributing factor.
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And the fact that the omega-3 to omega-6 fatty acid ratio that remains in the oil is off, you know, and one of the reasons why so many Americans are deficient in omega-3. I feel like I'm preaching to the choir here. But But it's so... People don't know this. Yeah, yeah, I know. But it's something that I feel like we've just been on this drumbeat for so long. But it's very simple.
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Replace those oils with olive oil, ghee, coconut oil, and avocado oil. If you just do that at home, cook with those oils. And I have two cookbooks where I explain how those things work and how to... use those different oils. And Mark has amazing cookbooks as well that talks about that as well. And so I'd say one of the first things you do is that.
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And that itself will eliminate so many different products off the shelf as it is. And you'll avoid your biggest exposure to GMOs. You'll avoid your biggest exposure to these other toxic chemicals that remain in these products that could be affecting your body. But then I would look at kind of, there's a group of chemicals that you find in ultra processed foods.
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And those are the artificial food diets that we've already discussed, removing those from your diet. I remember when I removed those from my diet, my skin immediately cleared up. The eczema, the went away and, and, and people have noticed that as well.
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When I found out that the European regulators back in 2010 created a warning label, a cigarette type warning label on their products that contain these artificial dyes that warned parents that said may cause adverse effects on activity and attention in children. And these food companies said, you know, hey, we don't want to put this warning label on our product anymore.
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And so then you've got, um, different chemicals like, well, what, you know, MSG, which MSG you will find, you know, it's one of the first ingredients in a chicken, like chicken sandwich, you'll find it and Doritos, you'll find it.
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Yes.
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Yeah, I detail those out in my first book, Food Babe Way, but it's also free on my website, Food Babe, if you want to go look and see what those chemicals are that-
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create that free glutamic acid component and when they combine that with salt it kind of creates that irresistible flavor that hijacks your taste buds and hijacks your brain so that you remember that flavor it's the same reason why my mouth waters when i mentioned chick-fil-a even though i haven't had it in 15 years you know and it's it's this component right it's the reason why pepsico has a robot
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a robot to mimic human taste buds right like how can we as humans stand chance against that kind of technology that is created with the combination of chemicals they're putting in our food to make that irresistible flavor yes they're trying to make their products tasty i get that right like that's a free market idea but the idea that these have now become so addictive that It's causing obesity.
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We have to do something different. To me, I opt out of those chemicals and say, you know what? I don't want my taste buds to be hijacked. I want to be able to stop when I want to stop eating something. And that's the one thing nature provides and why I preach eating whole fruits and vegetables, nuts, seeds, meats, dairy, like one ingredient foods is what everybody should be going towards.
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We're going to reformulate our products so that we don't have to warn anyone about our products. And so they should have done that for all of their customers. And, you know, That day when we went to Kellogg's headquarters to deliver those petitions, that was to signify that we no longer want American companies to engage in this practice any longer.
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Oh, it feels so good. And I think you just make such a great point that like, there's a way to talk about this in a way that will inspire more people to eat real food and whole food. And I think, you know, you don't really need to demonize any specific chemical in order to get the message across that people should be eating more whole real food, what ingredient foods.
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And that's one way I think the government can really, you know, be a leader in this, in making sure that people understand the dangers of ultra processed food, but also do it in a way that, you know, inspires people that they need to be, you know, going towards one more, you know, one ingredient of whole foods. And that could really change their diet. I mean, change their life.
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I mean, that's how I changed my life. Like, I really don't think that people can do what they are meant to do in this world until they achieve true health. And their brain becomes clear. And I think that's when that's when you find out why you were put on this earth and you go find your calling and you go do it.
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And I think that that happens when you really figure out how to put the right things in your body.
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Yeah, so I have four books. You can find all of that information on foodbabe.com. You can check out our products at Truvani.com. We have the number one plant-based protein powder in the United States right now in natural food stores. And we created a bar all with real whole foods that you can check out. It's delicious. They're more like dessert, in my opinion. And they are. They're my dessert.
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And...
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They're delicious. Yeah, you can follow me on all social media at The Food Babe.
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Definitely. Thank you.
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And I would say Kellogg's was such a great target because they also back in 2015, due to the widespread awareness of artificial food dyes, decided to remove them. They said, you know, we'll remove these from our cereals by 2018. And then when I'm, you know, I just had a baby. It was 2019.
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My daughter had just turned two and I'm going down the aisle and she picks up a box of baby shark cereal and it's by Kellogg's.
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and i look at that and i say oh gosh you know they've probably taken out the dyes by now let's let's look at this let's look at the ingredients right they said they were going to do it and i couldn't believe my eyes that they were coming out with new formulas new products to attract the new children of today using the most popular toddler songs right
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And then they still didn't take it out and they just went back on their promise. And I'm like, why isn't anybody holding these companies accountable for, first of all, lying to the public, getting all the positive press that they were making these changes and then deciding not to go forward with it and then create new serials to target children of today?
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This was something that I felt was so sinister. And this is why during my Senate testimony on September 23rd of last year, I made this the crux of my testimony because I was like, I wanted to look the leaders in the room in the eye, the senators and the other people
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members and other elected officials and Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who was running to be in a position of power under the Health and Human Services Department. And I wanted to look them in the eye and say, hey, guys, we need help. Citizen activists like me and the people that follow me and all the moms out there that want to see these changes, we've had enough. These companies are lying to us.
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They tell us they're going to do something and they don't. And then they're poisoning us with ingredients they've already figured out how to remove from their products. They already have the formulations.
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they can already do this they've shown it in so many different countries so why don't they do that why don't they do it well it all has to do with money right i mean a petroleum based dye sits longer on the shelf it doesn't break down as faster as a real food ingredient like a carrot juice or a blueberry juice but also it's a way for them to again just continue using
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ingredients that are allowed here in the united states because the fda has had created this loophole which basically allows food companies to approve chemicals themselves in these chemical companies and inundate our food supplies the reason why we have over 10 000 chemicals here in the united states and there's only a few hundred in europe that are allowed for years 338 yeah so it's it's it's so sad that we have this huge disparity in
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the amount of chemicals we're being exposed to but the but the worst part about it it's the american food companies doing this for me i feel like it's very un-american for american companies continue this practice and it's not just kellogg's you know it's general mills it's coca-cola it's pepsico doritos
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in europe don't have artificial food dyes don't have msg in them right gatorade is made with carrot and blueberry juice and here it's red 40 and we get sodium benzene and i look at cinnamon toast crunch from general mills this is something i grew up on i love that cereal and they're using a caramel color level four made from ammonia that the international for research an agency in cancer
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determined that that specific coloring causes cancer in rats. That should not be in a cereal we are giving to schools to serve children that mothers and fathers across the country are buying for their children. This is an unnecessary chemical that these companies have already shown that they can make the same product without these harmful chemicals.
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When, again, I go back to that day at the Senate, when I gave that testimony, it was like the whole room was electrified. Everybody got this issue and everybody understood that this needed to change, including the leaders in that room. And when RFK Jr. went out on the campaign trail, post that round table, it was amazing. He carried my voice. He carried the message.
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And he took it to the campaign trail and he said, hey, one of the first things I'm going to do when I'm put in a position of power is I'm going to ask the cereal companies to remove these diets. I don't know if it's going to be that easy by just asking them to do that.
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But I think with the position that he's in now and the leadership that's going to be supporting him, like Dr. Marty McCarran, who's also giving testimony that day that I got to know and saw how he wants to look at the root cause of disease. You know, I can see that this new leadership understands that these problems could probably get solved for the first time ever.
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And when I look at the rates of ADHD and how over 3 million children are on some kind of ADHD medication, that over 7 million children are diagnosed with it. So many parents are looking for answers of why their kids can't sit still in school or they're having behavioral issues or they're having learning problems. And this is the one thing that we can solve.
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We've seen that other nations are doing it and we see that they have better health outcomes as a result. And I think this is just one of the things that would be a really easy win for the American people if our government leaders could figure this out.
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Ideally, I think we would want first scientific review of all of the artificial food dyes, for sure. Because... There has been no scientific review by the FDA done, for example, on RED40 in over a decade. And we know red 40, the amount that was originally kind of tested in terms of an impact on humans was very small to the point where it's being used now.
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the chemicals that have entered the food supply are largely there only for one reason. And they're not to improve nutrition or improve our health. They're actually just there to improve the bottom line of the food industry. Because we live in a capitalistic society and our government doesn't really regulate the food system like we think they should or we are under the assumption that they are.
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I mean, there's this underlying assumption, I believe, along with a lot of people that the FDA is this big, you know, big, huge part of government that's independently testing all of these different chemicals and overseeing all of these food companies and what they're producing and what they're putting in the food supply. But they don't have the manpower to do it.
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They've never had the manpower to do it. And they don't usually act unless they're sued by a third party organization or a nonprofit or that sees some issue with some of these chemicals. And so, you know, you see right now there's big lawsuits happening. There was one very big lawsuit that happened actually with artificial flavors.
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There were seven artificial flavors that were linked to cancer, many of them found in every single candy that kids eat. And it took organizations like the NRDC and others to point this fact out to the FDA to finally get them banned. But they gave these companies two to four years to make these changes.
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So we're just going to allow these chemicals that cause cancer in our food for two to four years, even though it's been proven that they cause cancer. And so... It's, you know, we are in a situation where we don't have a lot of regulation around the food system. And once you understand that, that we don't have the regulation.
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And the worst part is when things are banned like trans fats, food companies find other chemicals that act the same way as trans fats. So one chemical that you'll see in tons of bakery bread products and other things that have to stay on the shelf for a really long time is monodiglycerides. That is actually a minute amount of trans fats in every single product.
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molecule of that and so it's still clogging up our hearts still clogging up our arteries and you know trans fats are linked to like 20,000 deaths or 7,000 deaths 20,000 heart attacks a year I mean that's from the CDC yeah but we still allow these chemicals in our in our food and even allow food chemists to come up with different ways to continue to include them which is just very frightening and
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And so once you understand that the food isn't regulated, then you also need to understand that the information that we get in the media is being largely manipulated by the food industry and front groups, groups that seem very, you know, reputable.
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like the American Heart Association or, you know, the Center for Science and Public Integrity or the International Council on Science and Health, right? Yeah, exactly. You took it out of my mouth. You hear all these organizations, you're like, oh, they're looking after our health. They care about our heart. These are organizations that are made up of doctors and specialists and experts.
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And when you look behind the scenes, you find out they're being manipulated by big industry. They're getting money from these chemical and food companies. And they're really just PR spokespeople for these food companies to continue operating by selling us food that is truly harming our health.
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And so once you recognize those two pieces of the puzzle, you kind of understand, wait a minute, so food's not regulated. The information I'm getting being told is being manipulated by the food company so it benefits them.
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not me and my health you start to realize the only thing that you can do is to take control of your health and understand what you're putting in your body and once you understand that you start reading ingredient labels and then you go aha i get it i understand why i need to eat real food
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Oh, you hit on a sore subject for me, cereal.
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Yeah, definitely. One of the most unethical companies out there right now is Kellogg's. It's a company that back in 2015, they said that they would remove artificial food dyes for children in all their cereals. And they said they'd do it by 2018. And I wondered at the time why it was going to take them three years to do it because they were already selling
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Fruit Loops and Apple Jacks and all of their famous cereals overseas without artificial food dyes. And it wasn't like they had to reinvent the formula or come up with a new recipe or anything like that or invent a new way to make something blue or red. they're already doing this to avoid a warning label that Europe requires.
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It says may cause adverse effects on activity and attention in children when a product has an artificial food dye. So they're avoiding that warning label. So they know this affects children's health. So, completely unethical. They already know how to make the products better and safer, and they're not doing it for their own citizens.
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So, not only did they not do it by 2018, it's now 2020, and they've invented four new cereals with artificial food dyes, a whole line of waffles with artificial food dyes, directly targeting children, directly targeting toddlers. You know, I have a toddler at home. You know, I have a three-year-old, and she loves that song, Baby Shark.
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And, of course, they come out with a Baby Shark cereal full of artificial food dyes. I actually started a petition. If anyone's watching this, you can go sign it. It's foodbabe.com slash baby shark to finally get Kellogg's to sign. to uphold their commitment to remove artificial food dyes and to stop making these new products that are harming our children.
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They're coming out with these products in the middle of a pandemic. We're in a situation right now where we need to take our health very seriously. If anything about the world's events today show you is that government is not going to save us. We need to save ourselves. And so and we're going to have to save our kids and we're going to have to save our families.
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And so we have the responsibility to learn about these chemicals in food and make a choice and not make a choice not to, you know, obviously buy these products and support these companies and vote with our dollars.
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But we're up against a mega PR campaign too against our health. And I'll just give you the example of Kellogg's. We'll just go on this one. When they came out with their new waffles, there was press up the wazoo. Every single mainstream media outlet reported on the fact that Kellogg's has created this new unicorn mermaid waffles for kids, right?
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But when my friend who was very famous, you know him too, Jesse Itzler, the husband of Sarah Blakely, one of the billionaire women in this world that owns Spanx, He challenged the CEO of Kellogg's to a $100,000 live 15-minute interview on Instagram. He said he'd give $100,000 to any charity of the CEO of Kellogg's choice. And not a single media report on this. Not one single...
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anything, but you watch the mainstream media report on all sorts of garbage and not interesting news, but this is like real news that could affect children's health and a debate or even an interview about these new products that they've created and no one's challenging these companies. And it's just, you know, we're in a really sad situation.
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They announced a lot of things that they say they're going to do and I haven't seen it done yet. So I'll believe it when I see it for sure. You definitely, and that's another thing. There's this assumption when these companies announce these changes that they're going to actually go ahead with them.
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A lot of times they change leadership or they realize that, oh, they'll lose too much money or, oh, people suddenly don't care about this issue anymore because it's not a hot button topic in the media anymore.
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The glyphosate issue was a very hot-button topic because of a bunch of different reports that the Environmental Working Group put out about glyphosate in food and the GMO debate at the government level. But once those issues became less important or people forgot about them, these companies think they can get away with murder.
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This is in your mailbox at home, Mark.
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Yeah. All great questions. So in the first 55 pages of food, big kitchen, I actually show you how to read labels, take you through every grocery store aisle so that you can stock your kitchen like a food, babe. And, um, everything from how do you prepare your foods to how you warm them up and everything is in this book at the beginning.
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And then, you know, of course, a hundred plus recipes with color photos for each one. So, um, Just so excited to have this book out and so happy. I know you've written many cookbooks, Mark, and this is my first one. So it's the first of many, though, because I've definitely got more recipes in me.
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But I think what's really important about reading labels is that there's this kind of three-question question.
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detox that i i talk about the end of feeding you lies and this is kind of how you start the process of really training your mind to eat real food you start with the question the first question what are the ingredients so you have to know kind of everything that you're eating and so if you sit down for a meal and you don't know the ingredients stop eating that meal and find out
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And once you read the ingredients and, and, and look at them, do you understand them all? Do, are they real food? Are they, you know, is it an apple cinnamon and sea salt or is it TBHQ and, you know, blue number one, uh, TBHQ by the way, is a very popular synthetic preservative that they use in very popular products. And, uh, you know, Reese's peanut butter cups comes to mind. Um,
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Oh, yeah. And, you know, this is actually an ingredient that negatively affects your T cells in your bodies and promotes allergies. So like if you have an allergic, just an allergy to anything, it can just increase your immune response to that allergy. And you can have a very adverse reaction. And if you eat a lot of foods with this,
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It's been linked to vision disturbances, stomach cancer, behavioral problems in children, all sorts of things. And this is a preservative that's in a lot of things. But when you read that on a label, TBHQ, you have to ask yourself, what is that? And so that leads you to the second question, which is, are these ingredients nutritious? Is TBHQ nutritious?
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Hell no, right? And so then you start to realize, like, why am I eating these non-nutritious ingredients, and maybe I need to choose something different. And then the third question you ask yourself is, where do these ingredients come from? Are they made in a laboratory, in a chemical factory? And in the case of natural flavors that you mentioned, yes, they are.
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People see the word natural and think it's coming from nature. Yeah, it starts in nature, but the way they manipulate, for example, a strawberry in a laboratory, or they can manipulate some other substance
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That comes from nature and make it act like a strawberry or taste like a strawberry or create the one millionth best part taste of something so that they can put in a product that normally would not taste good on the shelf that lasts there for, you know, nine to 12 months. They could put it in a product and it would taste like a real strawberry even though it has no real strawberries in it.
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And that's what natural flavoring is. And so it tricks your brain into thinking you're eating real food when you're not. But your body is still wondering where the nutrition from that strawberry is coming from. So you start to crave more than you should. And so natural flavors are one of the most...
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Evil ingredients, I believe, in our food supply because they trick your brain and they hijack your taste buds and they continue that craving so you eat more than you should. And with obesity, heart disease, and diabetes as our biggest issue in this country and cancer, you know, we have to take control of our taste buds.
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And the only way to do that is not to allow the food industry to control them. And so removing natural flavors from your diet is like the number one thing I think. And it's so, you know, even though there's many more chemicals that are many more, much more harmful to you. Almost 99% of the products on product shelves at the grocery store have natural flavor.
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So if you avoid natural flavor, you avoid many of those. And it's actually one of the reasons I started my company, Truvani. I just want to mention because there are so many supplement companies out there, protein powder companies and supplement companies that use these natural flavors. Yeah, yeah.
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And I wanted to create a line of products that were made from real food and non-synthetic substances. It didn't trick your brain into craving a flavor more than it should. I want people to be able to turn off their normal mechanism to crave food. And it's one of the reasons why we're doing what we're doing at True
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Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, in Feeding New Lives, I kind of go off all of the different – like uh i guess phases of things that the government has done in terms of um trying to um help you know in terms of you know when we look at the root cause and you you know this mark so the root cause of a lot of our issues is because of where our subsidies and our agriculture um
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producers are basically being given subsidies so that they produce really cheap commodities for America. And those cheap commodities like corn and soy are what make up the majority of processed foods. And so these checkoff programs actually give the corn and soy and canola industries power in the government to make decisions, whether it's something that makes a decision on
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My Plate, which the government creates to kind of give guidelines to children and schools on how their plate should look at the end of the day, if dairy should be on there or not be on there, how much of grain should be on there versus not be on there. And you've written a lot in your detox books and other books about how some of these
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The things that we make the most of, corn and soy, have been very detrimental to our health because not only the glyphosate that's sprayed on the majority of those crops that is linked to cancer, but also the fact that it imbalances your omega-3 to omega-6 fatty acid ratio in your body. Yeah.
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Yeah. So, you know, we have, and then this also happens within the meat industry too. And so there's so many different abuses in terms of the different checkoff programs. And it all stems from this one organization within the government. It's the Government Accountability Office, or it's called the GAL, the USDA GAL.
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And it basically oversights all of these checkoff programs where they allow these food companies to continue to market food to us, even though it's unhealthy.
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Yeah, exactly. And I'm thinking of another one, you know, the whole grain, the grain society too was doing that a while with, you know, by saying whole grain was heart healthy.
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38%.
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So, you know, I continued working on in the corporate world. And I remember having this really terrible boss. And he was so bad that I started not being able to sleep at night. I started to get very fearful of, you know, just going to work. And it was becoming an issue. He was very aggressive. And in the way he acted, in the way he not only managed his employees, but treated me in general.
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It was very misogynistic, if you will. And so I started to feel like kind of this this situation where I suddenly just stopped sleeping. So I went to the doctor and I just remember this moment because I sat in her, you know, she was my internist and I sat on the table and I told her, I was like, you know, I just can't sleep. I have a lot of stress at work.
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And she just asked me like kind of what's happening. And she goes, oh, okay, this is what you need. You need Ambien, you need Xanax, and you need, starts with a C, it's an antidepressant. It starts with a C, I can't remember the name of it. And I said, wait a minute, like really? Like these, you want me to take these three drugs? And I was so trusting.
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of my doctor and so trusting of the medical system that I took those drugs to get through that time period when she should have just been saying, hey, Vonnie, why don't you quit your job? You're 25 years old. Like, why don't you quit your job, right? Why don't you go look for another job? You don't need to take this mistreatment from this dude because you're making a big paycheck.
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Like, go find another job, right? But this is kind of where I think the rubber meets the road for me when I was going through that period, because that's really where my... Symbalta? Symbalta. That's it. Thank you. I was like, it starts with a C. Symbalta, yeah. And... It was around that time where I said, I don't need to be on these drugs.
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They were, first of all, making me completely numb and crazy, right? I suddenly was laying on the couch all day not doing anything, right? And it was that moment that I just said, you know, these drugs aren't for me. I need to get off these drugs, but I don't know how to do it. I found a integrative psychiatrist that also practices acupuncture, and she helped me get off of it.
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And I started learning about natural foods, and I started learning about real food. And I started learning about food in a way that I had never known before in terms of
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I started looking at ingredient labels of things that I had been eating most of my life, and I became horrified because I realized that they were man-made chemicals invented for one sole purpose, which was to improve the bottom line of the food industry, not improve my health. And so I was eating this like science experiment. No wonder I didn't feel good, right?
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And I'd gained the weight and ended up in the hospital with appendicitis, but also didn't even have any other mechanism to get through a stressful time. The only option I was given from my doctor was here you go is, you know, all of these different, you know, brain altering medications.
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And it wasn't until I made the connection that you can actually get through stressful times through meditation, through sleeping well, through, you know, eating well, from getting off of processed foods that actually make it very hard to think clearly.
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And as soon as I changed my diet from a processed food diet to a real food diet, things from earth, basic meats, cheeses, fruits, vegetables, nuts, and seeds, when I did that, everything changed. I lost all the weight. I went off nine prescription drugs.
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I started to look completely different to the point where my friends and my family around me couldn't believe the remarkable transformation to the point where one of my aunts joked with one of my cousins, did she have some work done? How long did that take? It took a period of two to three years. Yeah, two to three years. And a lot of trial and error, too.
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Of, oh, I thought this was healthy and this isn't. And there were so many time periods where I wouldn't eat a McDonald's hamburger anymore, but I'd go to Subway because it was, quote unquote, eat fresh, right? And then I found out Subway's bread had close to 50 ingredients, an ingredient in there called azodicarbonamide that you find in yoga mats and shoe rubber.
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And they don't use it in single- They can be good if you prepare them properly. You know, they don't use it in Singapore and Europe and Australia and everywhere else, but they use it here in the United States. Like, what is this chemical doing in our bread?
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Fundamentally for the food companies, it makes them more money because it's cheaper to use a chemical additive made from petroleum or coal tar or some other substance than to eat real food. And the reason why it's cheaper for them to do that is because it doesn't break down over time.
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Yeah. I mean, it's economics because it allows them to keep that bread there longer at every subway around the block, right? It allows them to have that uniformity of that product as well, which is what fast food tends to do, which is you want that same product every single time and you want it to taste the same every single time, no matter who's making it.
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Yeah, yeah. And so then I couldn't shut up about everything that I was learning.
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So I started a blog and I wanted to call it eathealthyliveforever.com. And my husband, who's the tech geek in the family, thought that was a terrible name. And so he said, he found on auction a few minutes later, Food Babe for $10. And at first I didn't want to call it Food Babe because it felt kind of foreign. I didn't feel like a food babe for most of my life.
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But I said, why don't we teach people to become a food babe? Like how to be a food babe.
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But it makes people uncomfortable in some settings, which I find so interesting. And maybe you can comment on that because it's really interesting that it makes people uncomfortable. Yeah.
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Like Senator Ron Johnson, for example, like when he announced, you know, that I was about to give my testimony.
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He's like, I didn't come up with the name food, babe. Right. He just didn't want to take responsibility for it.
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That's right. And so... Where?
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WordPress.
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In 2011.
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And I gave up television to find time to blog outside of work.
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Yeah, I gave up watching television.
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Oh, it was great. It was the best thing I ever did. So I found time to research and write and I started to just have this insatiable curiosity about all the things that I was eating and then looking at the ingredients and posting the ingredients for people to see what they were eating. And my friends and my family, like my mom and my few friends that wanted to read my blog at the time,
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But it started to reach a wider community. And I realized there's other people out there looking for this information on what they were eating. And there was a food movement starting. And it was probably when I wrote the article, Chemical Filet or Chick-fil-A, that went viral.
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And Chick-fil-A invited me to their headquarters to consult on their menu changes and ingredient changes that I finally made the decision. Why did they do that? Um... They were smart. They were smart. They rolled out the red carpet. They picked me up in a cow-wrapped car. They were really smart to try to make friends with me. More food industry executives should hear that message because...
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There's this revolving door of people who are working for chemical and food corporations and then going to serve in government to kind of uphold their interests.
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the reason why Kellogg's is suffering so bad right now is because they wouldn't let us in, right? We just recently went to their headquarters with over 400,000 signatures to get artificial food dyes and a preservative called BHT that's linked to cancer out of their cereals. And they wouldn't let us in. They wouldn't even sit down with us to take the petitions in person.
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So what is that going to do to activists? It's going to rile us up. It's going to make us mad. It's going to make us go harder. And we started a national boycott. Now Fruit Loops is down 54% in the last 12 weeks on grocery store shelves. And their stock price is down.
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Right.
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The reason Froot Loops is such a good example, they already make... other cereals without these additives for virtually everywhere else. Canada, Australia, Europe, India, you know, everywhere almost. And this has got to stop across the board. And so Kellogg's is one example of a larger problem.
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I mean, it's not, I'm concerned, number one, I think the main concern I have with Froot Loops is I don't want anyone to ever eat it again, right?
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And targeted towards little children. And the biggest profit generator for Froot Loops is actually in U.S. schools. In schools.
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I see. So it's being sold to schools and served for breakfast to our little children. And then it has chemicals in it that affect their brains. It causes hyperactivity. In Europe— you have a cigarette type warning label on any product that has artificial food dyes that warns parents that says may cause adverse effects on activity and attention in children.
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In Europe, parents get to know, have full informed consent on a product. Here in the United States, we don't have that, right? We allow our companies to just put these poisons in our food when they've already reformulated them better for other countries. And then on top of it, these carcinogens are made from petroleum and- And these are the coloring? These are the colorings, yeah.
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And just the way that they are produced create all kinds of carcinogens and other problems, immune response, allergies, other things in the human body, eczema. So one of the things that I first did when I went through my transformation is I suddenly gave up artificial food dyes. I just said, no artificial food dyes. And just that alone
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helped me transition to a better, cleaner, healthier life because the products that didn't contain artificial food dyes were few and none, right, at the time. Now there's a whole another industry being created without a lot of these chemicals, which is great. One being my company, Truvani, where we're creating products that are processed, like our bar is processed
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but it's made with ingredients you would find in your own kitchen. Dates, maple syrup, nuts, right? And that's the kind of food we should be consuming and have available to the public to eat, not food that is made with poisonous carcinogens that make, for example, let's take yellow number six that's in Cheetos. Yellow number six, there's a new study that just came out.
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They're terrible, but I grew up on them, and so many children eat them, and they're served in schools too.
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Yes, and Doritos.
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But this is what we're eating. This is what kids are getting after their soccer match. This is what is happening out there that's available whenever you go to a show or anywhere else. This is what people, I mean, you go through the airport, that's what's available.
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If these are riddled with these carcinogens like yellow six, for example, that they just showed that turn the skin of mice transparent. Like, I can't make this up. Like, this is horrifying what it's doing to animals in animal studies, but we allow ourselves to continue to eat it.
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It is really hard, but I don't think nutrition has to be rocket science either. I think the only people that have made it difficult to understand or calculate in a way has been the food scientists themselves that have created these chemicals using the same technology as tobacco companies. R.J., R. Reynolds, and Philip Morris bought up all the food companies in the early
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I mean, it's a basic question to ask, why does the Coca-Cola served here have high fructose corn syrup made from genetically engineered corn here in the United States, but in other countries, they're using real sugar, right? Like we have a seriously different set of ingredients and chemicals that we are being exposed to than other countries.
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Because they're using more natural ingredients, things that came from the earth. And I'm using my own, again, going back to this idea that it doesn't need to be rocket scientists. The food scientists have made our life complicated because all you have to do is go back to real food.
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Intuitive eating and going back to what you would find in a farmer's market is literally the first step to unleashing your grips on this industry that has harmed our health, right?
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Forever. I think about the Maasai, right?
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Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, I've been a food activist for many years, for over 10 years. And I... have been wanting to hold American food companies accountable for using ingredients that are banned or heavily regulated in other countries for a long time. I think it's disgraceful. I think it's unethical. I think it is hypocritical.
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Yes.
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You go back to real food without added chemicals.
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That's right. Yeah, or the farmer's market. You go there. And it's really that simple. It really is. It's not complicated. And, you know, I think what has been so disturbing about the American food supply is it's been engineered to get us to eat more than we should.
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Yeah, absolutely. So RJR Reynolds and Philip Morris bought up General Foods and Kraft back in the day. And what they did was they said,
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we have an opportunity now to get into the food business because there was a decrease in the use of tobacco because of the cigarette type warning labels, you know, the warning labels that they enacted and people became clear on you shouldn't really smoke tobacco, it causes cancer. And so they were looking for another opportunity to diversify their portfolio
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And so they said, well, we have all of this amazing research that we've used to hook people to tobacco. We can use the same research and the same scientists to do the same thing to food. And we're going to buy the flavoring companies too, right?
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Yeah, which is 100% true. Which parts of it?
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Well, because... Well, I mean, PepsiCo has a robot that... has mimicked real human taste buds that they use for testing, okay? And this kind of information is getting out now because we have a teenager in Pennsylvania that just filed a lawsuit.
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He's 16 years old, has non-alcoholic fatty liver disease and diabetes, and he is suing 11 of the top food companies in America for his ailments, saying that the ultra processed food diet that he was on made him that way because it was addictive in nature. And so as part of that lawsuit, they've come out with this evidence, right?
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And more is gonna be discovered in Discovery, which I'm so excited about because when I read the lawsuit, it was over, I don't know, 150 pages or something.
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And when I read it, it was like a horror movie because it showed, even though it was in the exact pictures of what kind of technology they use to addict our taste buds and our senses to food, they showed the types of technology and the brain nodes that they actually attach to rats and to humans and to... Yeah, well, people understand the dopamine system pretty well now.
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I think it's immoral that an American food company can serve a better, safer version of their product for another country and not their own citizens and how when they find out they can make a product that's safe, they don't do it for all of their customers.
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So that's where the moral dilemma comes in, right?
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38%?
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12 to 18 years old.
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It used to be zero, right? We have to look at what's happening in the food supply. We have to hold someone accountable for it or create some type of regulation or change that would prevent this from continuing to go down into the dumps, which is where we're headed because right now we're last when it comes to- Okay, let me ask you another question.
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Yeah.
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And I mean, you can say that I'm doing both in a way because I'm an activist on one side, but I also am a cookbook writer on the other, right? I've written two cookbooks where I'm teaching people how to make things faster with real food in the house that doesn't take all day, right? Right, right.
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But the problem is the way our nutritional science gets divvied to the public and decimated to the public, it's riddled with conflicts of interest. It creates a situation where, for example, you have these studies that come out and they say candy actually makes kid athletes better at their sports. you know, this was a headline that went out, right?
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And it was a study funded by Mars and, you know, the company who makes M&Ms and the other American candy companies. Well, these studies come out not because they, like, we're going to believe them and we're going to call out the bullshit for them, but it makes it so that when a mother is in the line at a grocery store,
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and their child is tugging at their skirt, grabbing those M&Ms and wanting to put them in the cart, they say, oh, it's really not that bad, right? It makes that situation so that they feel okay doing it. And that's...
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And so I've been working on this issue for a long time through petitions, through campaigns to get food companies to change because government regulators have been asleep at the wheel. They haven't held these food companies accountable. The conflicts of interest are riddled in the government that prevent them from enacting anything that would be helpful to safeguard ourselves from these chemicals.
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how probably 90% of the information that gets sent out to the American public through media, through marketing, through magazines, through wherever we're listening, TV is happening when it comes to food. The real information about how our food is full of chemicals and has been designed to make us overeat is not getting out.
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And so when you make such an interesting argument, and I love that you've delved deep into the psychology behind this, because it is true that the food companies want to make their food delicious.
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They are delicious. I mean, of course, because, but is it an unfair advantage to an American, to a human being, that a company can have that kind of technology, a robot that has taste buds.
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Right?
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We can't compete with that.
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Mothers can't compete with that. We don't even stand a chance up against that science because they're creating the one millionth best part of a taste. You know, the reason why nature is so... important for a child to eat at a very young age and allows them to become a less picky child is because, take a blueberry. Sometimes they're mealy. Sometimes they're hard. Sometimes they're juicy.
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Sometimes they're plump. Sometimes they're small. Sometimes they're big. It's different every time you have a blueberry. Whereas if you go and get a blueberry Nutri-Grain bar or some other cereal, it's the exact same time every single time. And then
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They're using the one millionth best part of a taste in a flavor component that they call natural flavor on the label, which could mean a thousand different chemicals. And if your kid grows up on that, they're going to be picky and hate real food, and they're going to end up in that 38% pre-diabetes situation that we have right now with preteens.
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Whereas if you start your child on blueberries, real blueberries... they're going to have a chance, right? And so we have to hit it from both sides. We have to hold the food companies accountable.
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We also have to educate the public the truth about the food industry, the truth about nutrition, the truth about real food, what's been done to our food in the last 50 years, how to undo that in your own home, and how to get the products out there, and how to pick the right products that are using less chemicals and additives so that you don't expose your family to this.
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And we're just at this critical phase right now where we have an opportunity like we've never had before because of the national conversation. And I have more hope now that we can actually change the trajectory of where we're headed
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than I've ever had in my entire career, and it's allowed me now to get back in the game, whereas before, again, I was worried about getting back in the game, because I have children now, right? And it was the reason why I wanted to say no to doing the Senate testimony, but I'm so glad I did, because now we have created, it's beautiful, because we've created this
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community of people, this movement of people that not only care about their own health, but they want to hold these companies accountable. They want to spread this message far and fast and wide. And it's taking over social media to the point where it's getting to people that I never thought would ever listen or understand.
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And that's the piece that I think is so important about the work that I do is I want people to wake up And so when I pick a certain company and I target some individual company for a chemical, it's not necessarily about that chemical or that company. It's about waking people up because of the injustice of what's happened to our food system.
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Well— First of all, after the Senate hearing, I couldn't believe the media, for example. We had the left-leaning mainstream media either ignore us or call us names. They called us the woo-woo caucus.
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Yeah.
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And so when I was invited to be part of the Senate roundtable with Senator Ron Johnson, at first I said no, actually, because for many years I've been off the scene. I haven't been holding the food companies accountable in that big, bold way because I became a mom. I started a food company to change the food industry from within. I took kind of a backseat to this activist role because
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100 percent. 100 percent. Because they didn't even bother to ask for comment or, you know, interview us or anything like that. They just wrote the article. And it's in The Atlantic. You know, this is.
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Yeah, they're done.
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Yeah, it makes me mad because it was one of the Christmas gifts that my father-in-law would send to us. And I'm like, great, I can read this. This is fantastic. You know, I would quote it all the time. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, that was really disappointing.
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And let me just tell you, the four hours we were there, there was not one political partisan party talking point talked about. It was four hours on how to save humanity. And Nobody wanted to cover it. It was insane. I just couldn't believe it that, like, the mainstream media just completely, you know, ignored us in a way.
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I mean, and I just—it was like the Twilight Zone. I really couldn't believe it. And I also want to say thank you to Senator Ron Johnson for allowing me— How did he get involved? Like, why did he do this? You know? I mean, I think he cares deeply about what's happened to our health in this country. And he wanted truth tellers to be there at the table telling the truth.
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And he allowed me to talk about the food companies in an uncensored way that has never been before Congress in that way ever to the point where— It was a very weird day. Yeah, I mean, and I honestly am so thankful for that because my testimony went so far and so wide. I mean, hundreds of millions of views across so many different platforms.
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And people were all of a sudden just waking up going, oh, my gosh, I had no idea these— chemicals are in American food and not other countries, and why are American companies doing this? And the questioning starts to happen in someone's mind, and they start to question what they're eating, and that's where it starts, right? That's where the change happens.
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And I do this work because I want people to never get in the position I was in when I was younger. I wanna reach them before they get to that point. I don't know if I'm successful or not.
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I feel like I'm successful in that I get the people that are starting on the verge of being sick or they're looking for change, but I'm really hoping I get to the people that haven't had to go through the trouble that I've been through. And that is what ultimately motivates me to keep my message loud and clear because I think where people start to pay attention is sometimes this situation where
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it's taken from a different point of view. It's not the, oh, you should eat healthy, you should eat more fruits and vegetables. Oh, you should look at your nutrition, you know, what the traditional route of a nutritionist or a registered dietician would have done, right? But from an activist standpoint, I think it's like, everybody wants to hold someone accountable for this mess.
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Somebody wants, there has to be a villain in this, right? And the villain right now is the food industry in a way because Again, they have put profits over people over and over and over again. And now we're in a situation when we look at the chronic disease rates, we are in a dire situation where we all have to work together, corporations and government, to try to solve this.
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And that's what I'm so excited about because after that Senate roundtable, it was like an explosion happened with our movement. I don't know if you felt that. I mean, I just felt like it was the turning point in a way. I mean, just having Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
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You could say my nurturing phase of my life became more important to safeguard my kids. And when I was an activist and I hit the national level and the national stage, I was attacked. I was attacked by the media. I was attacked by paid for scientists. I was attacked by quote unquote independent experts who were actually getting paid by the food industry.
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sit down with us and hear each one of our testimonies and him say these words to me, and I'll never forget, he said this, he said, if another foreign nation was doing this to us, it would be considered an act of war.
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When it came down to, you know, American companies using ingredients that are banned or heavily regulated in other countries, not in their own, you know, not, you know, they use a safer version for other countries and a more toxic version here. That is something that just needs to change and fundamentally stop.
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Right. Yeah, I mean, it's really interesting. You know, when we took... the petitions to Kellogg's headquarters. And I used, you know, my Senate testimony to kind of lay the framework of that petition drop because- So this was after this Senate hearing? That's right. And so I said in my Senate testimony, I said I was going there on October 15th and you should come.
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You know, I invited everybody in the room and I invited other activists and the public and they came. I mean, we had a thousand people on the ground in Battle Creek, Michigan, very hard place to get to. And we marched to Kellogg's headquarters. It was a pivotal moment in my career to see that many people care about the American food system and changing it.
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And they understood that this is a much bigger issue. But when we got to the front door and they didn't let us in, they sent out a security guard. We looked up into the building and in the window, one of the executives was still in the building. They actually told most of their employees to go home that day.
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On a whiteboard, that rolling whiteboard, he wrote, get off our lawn and showed it down to all of the women and the children and everybody who was gathering there that day. And it was all captured on film. And this really made a lot of people mad, made me mad. I had to cool off for a second seeing that sign. Like, I can't believe they don't even have the decency to take these petitions in hand.
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I mean, when I did this with Kraft, when they were doing this with Kraft macaroni and cheese using one set of ingredients here in the United States and another in other countries, I petitioned them as well, and I delivered those petitions. They invited me in. That's what you do when someone gathers that many signatures and takes them to your headquarters.
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You don't deny them entry and treat them like a terrorist, right? But since then, what's been so amazing to watch is I'm sending letters now to other big food corporations. I sent a letter to General Mills. Immediately, they responded. They didn't ignore me. And that's what I expect food corporations to be doing from this point forward because It is the biggest PR mistake ever.
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And to the point where I had to have security when I went to go speak at universities. I had people drive by my house. I had, you know, death threats, rape threats online. So that work going up against a trillion dollar industry kind of took a backseat when I became a mom and then- When did you become a mom? Almost eight years ago now.
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Right, to not listen to us, not sit down and talk to us.
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And General Mills has already created a new cereal without artificial dyes. So I think they're on their path. I think they're going to be probably one of the first to change. But again, cereal is not exactly the healthiest thing we want people to be eating.
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But this is about a bigger issue, which is getting the chemicals out of the food, making it more real, having processed foods be available but not full of carcinogens and other toxins that could be affecting your brain, affecting your body, affecting your immunity. and increasing cancer incidences. We have to look at everything, right?
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Thank you.
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Yeah. And so earlier this year, I was called upon to be part of this new kind of campaign to hold big food accountable. And my friend, Jason Karp, who was also at the Senate hearing yesterday, called me and says, Bonnie, this is something I really want to do. Let's get together and figure this out. And then we got together with Callie Means as well. And we started working together again.
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And it was like my passion was reignited. And I realized that we really have an opportunity at this point in time that I never thought was possible in my entire career with the emergence of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. taking these issues at the national level.
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Nothing, nothing like it.
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It really did. And, you know, for so much of my life, I was jaded about politics. I, you know, I was a... a Democrat delegate for President Obama in 2008 and 2012, I put him up on a pedestal. I thought he was gonna be the savior of our world. And when he got into office, I quickly realized that special interests, lobbyists, corporations,
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were controlling him and controlling the message and controlling what he could get done. And then the two-party system itself allowed him not to get much done.
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You could say it happened by accident because I was so... wounded by the truth about the food industry when I was finding it out. As a child, I grew up with two immigrant Indian parents who came to the United States and they were so trusting of the American food supply and the American way of life that my dad introduced my mom to a McDonald's hamburger.
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It was the first thing he introduced her to when they had an arranged marriage and came back to the United States and said, if we're gonna live in America, we're gonna eat like Americans. And they lived in a very poverty-struck environment in India where it was hard to get food and hard for people to eat.
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And so it suddenly became so easy and it was cheap and it was readily available to the point where, you know, my parents thought it was great that you could go and get fast food very quick. Hey. And they would give a free meal to you if you colored a drawing on Mother's Day and Father's Day. I mean, I was there at McDonald's doing that every holiday so I could get the free meal.
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And as a result, I had such terrible health issues, me and my brother. I mean, in and out of doctor's offices on – Prescription drugs nonstop throughout my childhood. Can I ask you what those were? Sure, yeah. Everything from three different medications to control my asthma, Singulair, Advair, Aburol.
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Asthma was one of them. Then to just control the situation when it would flare up, I'd be on prednisone. I'd be on antibiotics three or four times a year. Then there was the eczema medications, the costochorderoid, the cream, then there was shots in my ass. I mean, all of the things that they had to deploy to just make me feel normal, right? And I look back at my childhood,
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And I was walking around like a zombie. I mean, I didn't feel motivated to go to school. I didn't feel motivated to read, even though I had these two immigrant Indian parents that took, put a lot of emphasis on my academics because of where they were. You know, my dad's a PhD, my mom's a master. So it was, they put a lot of emphasis on that. So I think that's where I ended up going, where I went.
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But I know I could have done so much better in my early career, in my early life as a student, as a young person, if I had not been subjected to that food.
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In my early 20s, I hit rock bottom. I was working for a big six consulting firm called Accenture. They put me on the road on an expense account. I was in this situation again where I'm outsourcing my food to the corporation this time instead of to America, right? And it's nonstop. wine and dine dinners, five-course meals. I've never done anything like that before. It was so exciting.
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They would bring in droves of food, breakfast, lunch, and dinner, so that you would bill more hours to the client at these big banks I was working. And I hit rock bottom. I became depressed. I became overweight. And I had appendicitis. And when I went to the doctor the first time, the doctor said, oh, there's nothing wrong with you. You can go back and take some Advil.
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And thankfully, my parents said, you know, something doesn't seem right. You need to probably go see your regular doctor in the morning. And when I did, he was like, you have appendicitis. You need to have an emergency appendectomy right now. It's going to burst. And at that point, I went to see the surgeon, had my organ taken out of my body.
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And this whole time, the doctors are saying to me, nobody needs their appendix. Don't worry. This is something routine. You'll be fine. You're going to survive. They're trying to ease my parents' worries. And something doesn't seem right, that God would give you an organ that you don't need, first of all. Second of all, I started to question,
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first of all, why a young 22-year-old is in the hospital with this type of surgery.
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Probably 30 or 40 pounds.
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And it was that moment that I decided to take my health Seriously, and the first thing I did was research why you get appendicitis. And I found out the reason you get appendicitis is because your body's inflamed and your digestive system has become inflamed. And actually your appendix is there for a reason. It actually populates your gut with good bacteria.
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Yeah, it's a reservoir, right? Yeah, and so I started to discover all these things about my body and about the human body that I couldn't stop learning about. And I started to channel this.
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So I was a—I have a Bachelor of Science in Computer Science.
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But in high school, I was a top-tier debater. I got recruited to college to be in debate. I was number one in state three years in a row.
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It is. It is very hard. But I think my debate skills are probably what allowed me to do that because I interview well. Yeah, yeah. But back then we didn't have Google. We had to go to the library and we had to look at the microfiche and carry these big tubs of evidence around and photocopy evidence to take. And you'd have to learn both sides of the argument, affirmative and negative.
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So you learned to see the world in a whole view through these topics and debate. And so one year's topic happened to be healthcare when I was in high school. I never applied anything I learned to it to my own body, but then it suddenly came rushing back. And so I started to check out these big books on nutrition. And one of these early books that I read was called Conscious Eating.
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And in there, he talked about how the majority of foods in the grocery store shelves are dead. And I was like, that's how I felt most of my life is dead.
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Yeah, the whole center of the grocery store.
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