The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
519. If Another Country Did This to Our Citizens, It Would Be War | Vani Hari
Thu, 30 Jan 2025
Jordan Peterson sits down with author and co-founder of Truvani, Vani Hari. They discuss Hari’s personal struggles with food which led her to start the Food Babe blog, the disgraceful business practices of major food companies, how the Tobacco industry took over big food, the unimaginable progress made just recently via the MAHA movement, and where this new surge of hope leads us - should we choose to follow. Vani Hari is a food activist, a NY Times best-selling author of 4 books, co-founder of the organic food brand Truvani, and was named one of the “Most Influential People on the Internet” by Time magazine. Hari started FoodBabe.com to spread information about what is really in the American food supply. She teaches people how to make the right purchasing decisions at the grocery store, how to live an organic lifestyle, and how to travel healthfully around the world. Vani has influenced how major food giants like Kraft, Subway, Chipotle, Chick-fil-A, and Starbucks create their products, steering them towards more healthful policies. This episode was filmed on December 30th, 2024 | Links | For Vani Hari: On X https://x.com/thefoodbabe?lang=enOn Instagram https://www.instagram.com/thefoodbabe/?hl=en Website https://foodbabe.com/ Read Vani Hari’s most recent book - “Food Babe Family: More Than 100 Recipes and Foolproof Strategies to Help Your Kids Fall in Love with Real Food” https://a.co/d/1jw9Aq6
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People are fat and diabetic at rates that are criminal.
38%.
38%. I don't think I ever recovered from reading about the fact that marketing people built the food pyramid, right? Not scientists. How the hell did we get there?
There's this revolving door of people who are working for chemical and food corporations and then going to serve in government to kind of uphold their interests.
Tell me what you know about the tobacco company's purchase of the food industry. So I've been dragged kicking and screaming into the issue of nutrition, I would say. And some of that's for personal reasons, and some of it is for intellectual reasons, let's say.
I had reason in my own family to look at nutrition very carefully, because it turned out that my daughter, who had a very serious illness, Michaela, was reactive to a very large range of foods. And that was rather a shock to discover, you might say. And I've been experimenting with diet for quite a long time in a radical way, far more radically than I like. That's the first thing.
And then I would have ever expected to do. And that's had some pretty positive consequences. And I've heard from many thousands of people positive tales about the consequence of their shift in diet. And I've interviewed people like Chris Palmer who's a psychiatrist at Harvard who's been using dietary manipulations to treat intractable psychological disorders.
And I know that people are fat and diabetic at rates that are criminal. And so even though This isn't something I ever hoped I would be interested in, even that's become necessary. Now, I went to Washington a while back at the invitation of Ron Johnson to partake in a hearing there. And I met Vani Hari at that. roundtable at that discussion. And I had a chance to talk to her today.
She's the food babe. And she has a large following and is very interested in the pathologization of the American food system. And for personal reasons, as well as professional reasons, let's say, some of which are akin to the issues that my daughter faced. And so she came in today. And we had a chance to talk about, well, the hearing that we participated in jointly.
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