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Stay with us. We've got all the news you need to start your day. Indians and Pakistanis had been waiting for or dreading this moment.

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On the line with us is NPR's Dia Hadid. She covers Pakistan and India from her base in Mumbai. Dia, tell us about these strikes. They happened overnight there.

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So what kind of places was India targeting in Pakistan?

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Expecting them? Why were they expecting that?

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Now, could all this maybe quiet down or do folks there expect more military actions?

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That's NPR's Dia Hadid in Mumbai. Thank you very much.

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Joining me from outside St. Peter's Square in Rome is NPR religion correspondent Jason DeRose. Jason, so let's start by just telling us what's happening throughout the day there.

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All right, now you've spoken with one of the cardinals who will be voting. What'd you hear from him?

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Yeah. Now, what have the cardinals been talking about amongst themselves in the days leading up to today?

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Jason, you're in Rome right now, but you mainly cover religion in the United States. So what can you tell us about the relationship of American Catholics to the papacy and to that doctrine that you mentioned?

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That's NPR religion correspondent Jason DeRose in Rome. Jason, thank you.

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The U.S. Supreme Court has allowed the Trump administration to begin executing its ban on transgender military service members, at least for now. Joining us to talk about this is NPR legal affairs correspondent Nina Totenberg. Now, Nina, President Trump has been trying to ban transgender troops in the military since his first administration. What's the difference between then and now?

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All right. So what did the Supreme Court do yesterday?

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There's been a lot of back and forth in this case since 2016. That's when the Obama administration first allowed openly trans individuals to serve in the military. So how is the new policy different?

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So let me cut to the chase here. What are the chances that the Supreme Court will ultimately rule against the Trump trans ban in the military?

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When it comes to the numbers of people, how many trans individuals are in the military right now under the policy that allowed them to enlist and serve?

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So, Nina, I'm wondering, who are the plaintiffs that brought this challenge?

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So, safe to say that the Supreme Court will eventually actually rule on this?

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All right, that's NPR's Nina Totenberg. Nina, thanks.

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And that's up first for Wednesday, May 7th. I'm Amy Martinez.

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Today's episode of Up First was edited by Rylan Barton, Daniel Burke, Krishnadev Kalamur, Janaya Williams, and Alice Wolfley. It was produced by Katie Klein, Nia Dumas, and Christopher Thomas. We get engineering support from Nisha Hainas, and our technical director is Carly Strange. Join us again tomorrow. We'll be right back.

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And cardinals from around the world have arrived in Vatican City to choose the next leader of the Catholic Church. The selection process to replace Pope Francis will be done in secrecy.

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Starting in the 1950s, there was a push to get meat onto Americans' plates at every meal.

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So you would have breakfast with maybe perhaps sausage offered. You'd have lunch where it would be deli meat sandwiches. And you'd have dinner that would center over a large cut of meat.

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We'll take you there. Also, Israel formally ends its agreement with the United Nations Palestinian Relief Agency. What's the effect on ordinary people? Stay with us. You've got the news you need to start your day. Last month in Philadelphia, I went for a run. Ended up going up the rocky steps, the ones Sylvester Stallone's character runs up in triumph during the movie Rocky.

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We've reached two NPR correspondents who've been following the campaigns all this time. We'll begin with political correspondent Danielle Kurtzleben. Danielle, good morning. Hey, good morning. Okay, so how did Trump close it out?

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Yeah. And ultimately, elections are decided by who votes, not who shows up at the rallies. But how did the substance of these rallies sound?

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OK, I want to hang on to something that you mentioned there, because you said that Trump went to a heavily Latino city, Redding, Pennsylvania. Our colleague Deepa Shivaram joins us next. Deepa, good morning. Hey, good morning. And I bring you in now because if I'm not mistaken, Kamala Harris also stopped in Redding yesterday. Is this right?

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And that 19 is a critical number. It is hard to find another swing state. You can't find another single swing state to replace it. If you lose it, that's what makes it so essential. So what was that final day like for Harris?

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Well, we're talking here about getting the last few people out to vote. But, Danielle, what's known about people who have already voted?

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I really appreciate that note. 2020 was so different. It's hard to draw comparisons now. It's hard to take any clue and really know who's winning or who's going to win. But Deepa, when will we know something for real?

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And we'll use all the patience we can and get you the best information we can. NPR's Deepa Shivaram and Daniel Kurtzleben, thanks to you both.

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Hope you get some rest. And let's go overseas now to hear the sound of a rescue from the rubble.

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One of the latest moves in that war comes from Israel, which says it will stop cooperating with the United Nations Agency. NPR's international correspondent, Aya Petraoui, is with us. Aya, good morning.

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Why does Israel say it'll stop working with the U.N. Relief Agency?

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I'm trying to understand what this Israeli move means on the ground for people in Gaza.

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I want to come back to that image we began with, the image of a little girl being pulled from the rubble. A bit of good news, regardless of what side you're on in this war, humanitarian news. Are rescue workers able to operate that way all across Gaza?

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Vice President Harris finished up in Philadelphia, referring to her opponent only as the other guy.

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NPR's Aya Batraoui, thanks so much.

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Wow, the deal provides 38% raises over four years and will help the company turn the page on billions of dollars in losses over the work stoppages and safety issues. Here's Union District President John Holden announcing the results.

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Well, you get one more night of it, maybe a few. You can tune in for special coverage throughout this night on the NPR app in your local station. And we will be back here tomorrow and the next day and the next day if necessary, guiding you through it all with updates, reporting and analysis.

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And that's a first for this Tuesday, Election Day, November 5th. I'm Steve Inskeep.

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I did not know his middle name was Delight. That is... Delightful. Thank you. Thank you very much. Today's Up First was edited by Megan Prats, Roberta Rampton, Russell Lewis, Olivia Hampton, and Alice Wolfley. It was produced by Ziad Butch, Nia Dumas, and Lindsay Toddy. We get engineering support from Carly Strange, and our technical director once again in this election is Zach Coleman.

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On The Indicator from Planet Money podcast, we're here to help you make sense of the economic news from Trump's tariffs. It's called in game theory a trigger strategy, or sometimes called grim trigger, which sort of has a cowboy-esque ring to it. To what exactly a sovereign wealth fund is. For insight every weekday, listen to NPR's The Indicator from Planet Money.

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I don't think that the combination of constant threats and then wild swings in terms of how committed the White House is to those threats is likely to bring Xi Jinping to the table to negotiate. a real truce.

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The shooter, police say, chanted Free Palestine after being detained. President Trump has condemned the shooting, calling it an act of anti-Semitism. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said his heart ached for the victims.

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Yeah, so this took place right around 9 p.m. last night here in D.C. It was just outside an event for young Jewish foreign policy professionals. The event was put on by an advocacy organization called the American Jewish Committee. It was held at a local Jewish museum in downtown D.C., just under a mile from the capital.

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I'm Michelle Martin with A. Martinez, and this is Up First from NPR News. Aid is starting to trickle into Gaza after Israel lifted a nearly three-month blockade on food and other essentials. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu also says he intends for Israel to take full control of the enclave.

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Outside this event, a man was observed pacing back and forth, police said, and then a group of four people left this foreign policy professional networking event. And the man opened fire, killed two of them. And so here's the D.C. police chief, Pamela Smith, speaking to reporters about this late last night.

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And there's a video of him circulating on social media of this exact moment that the police chief described. There's a keffiyeh with him, which is the recognizable scarf of the Palestinian movement. You can clearly hear him say those words, free, free Palestine, before he is... Quickly detained by security, I mean, taken outside.

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Two Israeli embassy employees were shot to death in Washington, D.C. last night outside of a Jewish museum. Local and federal authorities are investigating.

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Police say they have intentionally identified this man as Elias Rodriguez, the 30-year-old from Chicago, they say. This early stage, apparently no prior encounters with law enforcement. And still, obviously, a lot to learn about when and why he came to D.C., whether these victims were targeted specifically.

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The FBI says they are investigating this as a possible hate crime, a possible act of terrorism.

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Well, we know that they were a young couple, a man and a woman. Israel's foreign ministry has named them as Yaron Lashinsky and Sarah Lynn Milgram. Milgram worked in public diplomacy at the embassy. Lashinsky was a researcher who focused on issues related to the Middle East and North Africa.

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And in fact, on his LinkedIn, he wrote about the importance of, quote, interfaith dialogue and intercultural understanding when it comes to these issues. Israel's ambassador to the U.S., Yehiel Leiter, told reporters a little bit about the pair.

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Obviously, just incredibly tragic situation.

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Yeah. I mean, there has been an outpouring of statements of condemnation from politicians, diplomats in the U.S. and Israel and beyond. I mean, this is an incident that involves diplomatic staff on foreign soil. It's a really big deal. You mentioned a Yahoo statement earlier. He blamed this attack on rising anti-Semitism and what he called incitement against Israel.

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He also said he had ordered an increase to security at Israeli diplomatic missions around the world. Here in the U.S., the condemnation came from both sides of the aisle. President Trump, as you mentioned, Secretary of State Marco Rubio called it a brazen act of cowardly anti-Semitic violence.

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Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said anti-Semitism is a threat to all we hold dear as a society, must be confronted and rooted out everywhere. So a lot of unity there in this response.

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You're so welcome. Moving to Gaza now, a trickle of aid has entered the enclave this morning. Israel has begun letting in aid trucks this week after its nearly three-month-long total blockade of everything from food to medicine.

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NPR's Hadil El-Shalchi is with us now with the latest from Tel Aviv. Good morning, Hadil.

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So Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu took questions from reporters last night. What did he say about Israel's stepped-up military campaign now in Gaza?

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Right. So Netanyahu went through his order for the Israeli military to mobilize this expansion of the war. He reiterated that the plan is to push all Palestinians who are in northern Gaza right now into an area in the south. And then, in fact, the Israeli military issued evacuation orders for the entire northern part of Gaza yesterday. That's at least...

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100,000 Palestinians right now, according to Gaza first responders. And we need to know, like, the South is almost entirely destroyed because of the two years of war. It has very little resources, let alone space to live in. But Netanyahu also said that he is willing to end the war with certain conditions.

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The hostages come home, Hamas lays down its arms, and... And we are implementing the Trump program. We implement the Trump plan, he said. That's Trump's proposal to displace Palestinians out of Gaza fully. Netanyahu called it a brilliant and revolutionary plan. Yesterday, NPR sat down with U.S.

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Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee, and he staunchly defended Israel's sovereign right to conduct the war as they need to. In a statement, Hamas condemned Netanyahu's pledge to Trump's plan, saying it undermined Washington's role as a, quote, mediator.

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And I'd like to mention the UN's human rights chief said that Israel's plan to force people to move under airstrikes, the methodical destruction of entire neighborhoods, the denial of humanitarian assistance, he said that all of this appears to be a push for a permanent demographic shift in Gaza. And that is against international law. And he said it is, quote, tantamount to ethnic cleansing.

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Hadil, what have we heard from Palestinians inside Gaza?

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Well, under this major international pressure, Israel finally said it would allow a, quote, minimal amount of aid into Gaza. According to the UN, about 200 trucks entered carrying some critical supplies. That's compared to 600 trucks which were crossing daily during the January ceasefire. So the UN is really calling this week's development a, quote, drop in the ocean.

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NPR's Enes Baba met a woman at the malnutrition department of a hospital in Gaza City. Elham Abdelhafid was carrying her one-year-old daughter. She can't find milk to feed her baby anymore, so she's been giving her water instead. My daughter is very thin, the mother says. She was in hospital because of malnutrition, hooked up to needles and IVs.

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I'd cry every day, my heart breaking for her, she said.

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Sahadeel, if we could turn to the fatal shooting last night in D.C., what's the reaction that you're hearing in Israel?

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There's been a string of condemnation from here. Israeli President Isaac Herzog and the foreign minister are calling or called the shooting despicable and anti-Semitic. The foreign ministry posted a statement saying, quote, may their memory be a blessing. And Netanyahu has said that he's instructed to increase security at Israeli missions around the world.

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That is NPR's Hadil Alshalchi in Tel Aviv. Hadil, thank you.

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The bill would, among other things, extend President Trump's 2017 tax cuts before they expire at the end of the year.

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And that's Up First for Thursday, May 22nd. I'm Michelle Martin.

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Today's episode of Up First was edited by Kevin Drew, Carrie Kahn, Kelsey Snell, Ali Schweitzer, and Alice Wolfley. It was produced by Zia Budge, Nia Dumas, and Christopher Thomas. We get engineering support from Zach Coleman in Washington, D.C., and Josh Savageau at NPR in St. Paul, Minnesota. And our technical director is Carly Strange. We hope you'll join us again tomorrow.

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And then it moves you through time. Music is architecture in time. If you engage in the moment with what you're listening to, you do lose a sense of the time around you.

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A lot happens in Washington every day, from the White House to Capitol Hill and everywhere in between. That's where we come in. On the NPR Politics Podcast, we keep you up to date on what happens inside Washington and what it means for you and your community. The NPR Politics Podcast. Listen wherever you listen.

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This was a secure election. That is a success story. That is something that everyone in the administration should be proud of.

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Does the idea of listening to political news freak you out? Well, don't sweat it. The NPR Politics Podcast makes politics a breeze. Every episode will break down the day's headlines into totally normal language and make sure that you walk away understanding what the day's news might mean for you.

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When Malcolm Gladwell presented NPR's Throughline podcast with a Peabody Award, he praised it for its historical and moral clarity. On Throughline, we take you back in time to the origins of what's in the news, like presidential power, aging, and evangelicalism. Time travel with us every week on the Throughline podcast from NPR.

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How the hunt for gangster Al Capone launched the IRS to power.

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The Iran crisis. America held hostage. The U.S. Embassy in Tehran has been invaded and occupied by Iranian students. The Americans inside have been taken prisoner.

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So Bishop Garrison, he comes up with this definition of political extremism, but he starts getting attacked by the right, you know, called, you know, a critical race theorist and all this stuff, which, you know, definitely he hates. He was at the center of this kind of firestorm. What happened to the report that he was supposed to file to Secretary Austin and to his recommendations?

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Late last year, they released a new investigation with NPR's Embedded podcast, called A Good Guy, about an active duty Marine who participated in the Capitol riot. My conversation about extremism in the military with Tom and Lauren after the break.

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What did the military do with that report?

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Why did it take so long for the military to address political extremism?

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I mean, it sounds kind of like a microcosm of, you know, the U.S. population at this point. But you have two of these three panelists who are deciding Sergeant Joshua Bates' future in the Marine Corps. They're pretty indifferent to January 6th. So, I mean, ultimately, what did the panel decide?

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So basically the clock ran out on his time in the military. Is that what you expect to happen with Josh, that he'll eventually just get discharged?

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We recorded this conversation before the two acts of violence involving trucks on New Year's Day. A pickup truck carrying an ISIS flag intentionally driven into a crowd of pedestrians in New Orleans, which killed more than a dozen people. And a Tesla Cybertruck filled with fuel canisters and fireworks that erupted in front of a Trump Hotel in Las Vegas yesterday. injuring passersby.

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So, I mean, it sounds like if the military does have an extremism problem, we may not know officially, at least not in the next four years. You know, tomorrow is January 6th and Congress will once again gather to certify the votes. Like, what can we expect this time, four years after that other fateful day? What can we expect for the peaceful transfer of power?

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Lauren and Tom, thank you so much for sharing your reporting today, especially about an event that now there's so many different accounts and views on it. But you were there personally. And so you saw it for yourself.

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You can hear more of this story, including lots of details in the case of Marine Sergeant Joshua Abate and interviews with military officials in Tom and Lauren's series, A Good Guy. Find it in the Embedded podcast feed. Embedded is NPR's home for ambitious, long form documentary series. I also wanted to recommend a special episode by our friends at NHPR's Document podcast.

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It follows a Capitol Police officer as she deals with the aftermath of January 6, 2021, a day that still lives in her brain and in her body.

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Both suspects died as well. Since then, law enforcement has identified the two suspects as retired and active duty service members in the Army, respectively, and are investigating the motives for both attacks. Tom and Lauren, welcome to the podcast.

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From the document team at New Hampshire Public Radio, a story of survival and resilience in the wake of January 6th, The episode is called Amelia's Thing, and you can find it by searching NHPR document wherever you get your podcasts. This episode was produced by Adelina Lansianese and Andrew Mamba. It was edited by Liana Simstrom and Irene Noguchi with help from Luis Treas and Andrew Sussman.

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On January 6, 2021, then-President Donald Trump, now president-elect once again, held a rally to dispute the election results. And then thousands of people charged into the Capitol. Many were chanting, stop the steal. Some broke windows and damaged property. Others called for the hanging of public officials like then-Vice President Mike Pence and then-Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi.

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I have a lot of questions about this investigation and about the military during the new Trump administration, the upcoming Trump administration. But I want to go back to January 6, 2021. I think most of us watched the attack on the Capitol live on TV. I was in the dentist and started seeing reports that the barriers were being broken.

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And then after I got out of the dentist appointment, I realized, oh, shoot, like, this is of another level. But you were both there. Like, you were on the grounds.

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Wow. I mean, hearing that tape about hanging them from gallows, I think some of that seems to be kind of like memory wiped, like the violent rhetoric at that time. But then also that some of these... People had military ties. Tom, you've covered the military for decades. You've been embedded with troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Was it surprising to you to learn that some of these people like attacking the Capitol were actually people in the military who are supposed to be protecting the U.S. ?

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So some of these people were veterans, right? But were there any active duty military members there on January 6th?

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Do we know why they were so represented or overrepresented on January 6th?

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When all was said and done, Four people died, 140 law enforcement officers were wounded, and there was nearly $3 million worth of damage. And the FBI soon opened what would become its biggest criminal investigation in history. And as the arrests began, something became clear. There were a lot of people with military ties in the Capitol that day.

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So you mentioned you talked to that researcher. What did he think about all this?

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In your podcast series, A Good Guy, that you did with NPR's Embedded, you look at the case of one active duty Marine who was stationed at Quantico at the time. And I guess he was there on January 6th?

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You know, I kind of don't know what to say about that. I mean, because Martin Luther King very famously died from political violence. So that was a, you know, what a scene to partake in. But Josh and his friends, they're actually active duty Marines. So they take an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Absolutely.

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how would you characterize what they were doing at the Capitol that day? Like, how does this factor into the idea of political extremism? Is Josh and what he was doing extremist activity?

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It's a fact that continues to have a ripple effect for the Pentagon, especially now, on the eve of another transfer of presidential power and as Trump continues to set up the cabinet for his second administration. Trump recently said that he might pardon some people who were convicted for crimes on January 6th, on his first day in office.

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We'll find out more about that after the break. We're back with the Sunday story. So Tom and Lauren, you've been looking at political extremism in the military since January 6th. You're seeing all these announcements of arrests and there were, you know, people with military ties among the people being arrested. I would imagine that military leadership is also seeing this in the news.

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What is their response or what are they thinking seeing some of the people in their ranks being arrested?

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Today on the show, we want to dig into the continued legacy of January 6th, 2021. Does the military have a problem with political extremism in the ranks? And what does that mean with Trump returning as commander-in-chief? NPR's Pentagon correspondent Tom Bowman and producer Lauren Hodges have been asking themselves those questions.

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China's defense minister isn't at the Shangri-La dialogue.

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Secretary Hegseth's remarks seem to echo President Trump's America's First policies, and I wonder if he said anything about that.

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Both the Biden and Trump administrations were opposed.

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Anthony, thanks so much for being with us. You're welcome, Scott.

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President Trump applauded this agreement at a steel mill just outside of Pittsburgh last night and said it would protect and even create new steel jobs in a long-struggling U.S. industry.

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But the president was light on specifics and admitted later there is no final deal yet. And here's Don Gagne joins us now from Pittsburgh. Don, thanks for being with us. Good morning. What's the reaction in steel country?

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Did the mayor talk about how his community had been hurt by the decline of U.S. Steel?

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The details are unclear, but what do people in and around Pittsburgh think about it?

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What did people in the community tell you?

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Of course, Don, it's interesting that the president has really increased trade pressure on other countries. What do his supporters say about Nippon Steel, which is, after all, a Japanese company, potentially taking over a company that was once such a cornerstone of U.S. manufacturing?

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She made the announcement on her website Friday, calling it more than a dream come true.

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NPR Music's Stephen Thompson joins us now. Stephen, thanks for being with us. Thank you, Scott. It's been a long time coming for Taylor Swift, hasn't it?

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What happens now? Is she going to put out what I'll call new versions of her originals now that she owns the master's?

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He also wants China's neighbors and allies in the region to support that effort.

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Shannon Rhodes is our acting senior supervising editor. Evie Stone is our executive producer. And Jim Cain is our deputy managing editor. Well, they're right along with Melissa as the wind beneath our wings.

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NPR's Anthony Kuhn joins us from Singapore. Anthony, thank you for being with us. Nice to join you, Scott. And how did the Secretary describe this threat from China?

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And at the security forum, he's warning Asian military officials about China. I'm Scott Simon.

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