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Yeah. No long-term outcome, but this is a fight without many wins, so take the small personal pleasures.

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Not so much. I was definitely under no illusions at this point. Nothing would functionally change. But what mattered was, you know, adding new fuel to the fire to look what looked like was a dying cause.

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I'm sure there were attempts. I'm sure some of them were successful. But I mean, I've been known to internal security undoubtedly since almost day one.

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Not at all. All my words, 100% authored by me.

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Overhead Persistent Infrared. That might be a correction. That satellite may not have been an OPR satellite after all.

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Well, number one, it's pretty striking because you're watching it from Sphinx. It's always cool to watch satellite feeds. And that's just something the general public doesn't get to see. Yeah. And then, too, just the size of it. It was immediately like, well, what the hell is that? It was in, I assume, infrared, either black hot for that one. So the white clouds around it.

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And, yeah, it's almost playful in its activities or like it was startled. But it's one of those cases where I look at it and. you know, it looks like a flying saucer, but it might be one of the things that maybe that was actually one of ours in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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had to scramble and adjust in real time. They panicked. What I have learned is that we live in a dream, a carefully constructed reality. We make use of a science that is tightly controlled and suppressed and distorted.

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You know, it's just looking at an area over the ocean is what it appears. And this thing just comes trundling along, like underneath the cloud cover comes up. And then right when it's like almost center frame, it, scoots off to the side and like tries to get out of... Like it comes into a certain way and going, oops, I'm being... Somebody spotted me. I can get out of here. Exactly.

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It was visibly... That's the feeling it had.

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Hmm. Yeah. So, I mean, I only heard that term, uh, once it was released, uh, similar stuff that I had seen on the inside and it was often labeled like a floating brain or, uh, an organic or irregular shape. So that's why it's in there. Um, so yeah, I've seen multiple instances of instances of irregular shape things that look Thematically similar to the jellyfish.

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I've never seen the jellyfish video itself. But seeing those, you know, there's an instance of their one in South Com right at our border crossing what appears to be into United States airspace. Let me get undetected from Mexico. I believe from one way or another, I can't recall the compass orientation right now, but I would assume into the U.S., which is why it was interesting.

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Yeah, that term was describing something I had seen before.

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Yes, in other contexts outside of the Middle East. Okay.

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So I've seen videos and read reports of engagements, but not... live, like we're not shooting them, but engagements where, you know, either we are trying to intercept something, um, read lots of reports on that and from other countries as well, trying to intercept these things. Um, you know, each report will have its own shape that they're chasing, but guess what they are. Uh, but then, yeah, uh,

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When there's an example in there off the East Coast, what would be classed as an engagement where we're up there protecting our airspace and encountering these things in space? Interacting with them in in a way that we would consider hostile.

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And if it was if it was anything else, you know, if we had a Russian bomber patrol that had a fighter escort and they tried to box our fighters out, force them down from the wash, the jet wash, you know, that would be a hostile engagement. Yeah. But for whatever reason, you know, we're not describing it that way internally.

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I would, you know, I'm not going to be able to say that's never happened, but I have, I've not seen them engaged, uh,

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I think I have... a good degree of confidence that the reason they're here is us. I think life, especially sentient life, is a precious thing. And I think to some, it might be a resource. I think humanity to some level is a resource for them. It's been a very painful, costly process to find allies, but I have them. There's more of us.

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I think part of it's sometimes these might be, you know, made to purpose. So, you know, if they're only making it for a specific use case scenario, they'll design it to excel in that mission. I guess we do that.

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I would not be surprised. I have not seen very large objects go in and out of the water, but I've definitely seen small to medium-sized UAPs either going into the water and disappearing or going in and out or coming out of the water. Fact. Fact.

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Yeah. So it was one of the sources where, uh, you know, we have a fantastic intelligent posture, uh, it's not as data heavy. So there's just, it's just much easier to, to move around and, and access and read through quickly. Now it's one of the shortest sections in there because, uh, in, in my mind, you know, those are, these are incidental collections, right? Yeah.

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I'm sure we are specifically collecting signals intelligence on this, but my, uh, research was, uh, not in those sort of data streams. That majority is accidental kind of capturing of... Exactly, from other countries, other militaries' activities related to this and their observations related to this. Or sometimes historic things that we acquire that happen to pop up in the SIGINT channels.

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Yeah, so the reason there's less detail there, though, is we're using those every day, we rely on them a lot, and... They're very fragile, very sensitive, and diplomatically sensitive as well.

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Yeah, NORTHCOM is a black hole. You need, I mean, just legislatively, there's legal things keeping us, the military and the IC, supposedly, from looking at the states. That's supposed to be a domestic law enforcement mission in general. You got to have a very good reason to be looking at, you know, over your neighbor's fence, basically. This is a, I think it's, you

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to prevent accidental or just curious people doing things they shouldn't in our homeland, which would actually get them in trouble. It's one thing if we're doing it in some foreign country. It's one thing if we're crossing the line and spying here without a specific mission.

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Yeah, I think, unfortunately, it's a product of our education system, a lack of curiosity in general about the world. There's a lot of arrogance in our academy, and that arrogance filters down to our citizens. We know the world. We haven't figured out. There's nothing left to discover here.

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And I think, in general, there's so much misinformation, stigma, mythology that people grow up with that lead them to just... automatically categorize any of this as just, you know, false, fake, not real, misidentified.

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Probably a very real explanation for why certain shapes, you know, are harder to observe than others. I think, you know, whether it's active camouflage and, like, the skin of the vehicle itself... That definitely seems to be in play. Or a field, like you describe. I've seen evidence of fields around crafts.

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Um, we've always been seeing these things with things like radar. Um, so it's, you know, it's part of standard operating procedures to, to deny this and to not, uh, acknowledge it. So we've been seeing it. We're just pretending not to see it. Absolutely. Our public institutions like the FAA or, um, similar, uh, in your even local context, it's, uh, not allowed to be discussed.

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And there might even be technical measures in the technology at this place that just prevents it from even popping up on a screen.

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I fly out to California and I meet with Michael Schellenberger. I told him, hey, I got a story for you. Would you like to chat with me? I had met him previously very briefly, totally something unrelated.

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Yeah, that's a dangerous dynamic to have willful ignorance on our side and their capability to at least attempt to evade detection at any time on theirs. If we are so certain they are friendly, why is this a secret?

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Well, if you're a member of the public and you are still listening to CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, or reading the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal, all of that is controlled. It's propaganda. It is shaping your life narrative, intentionally so. Yeah.

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As for the government reactions to that, I was very disappointed to see a continuation of the dismissal of these events by the Trump administration's press secretary. Um, I can guess why they decided despite the campaign promise to immediately address that issue to not, uh,

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has to do with geopolitical situations we are currently involved in, and the fact that we are living through a constitutional crisis related to this issue.

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Well, there's an infection in our security thinking, which is that, you know, we must, they're primacists. They must be on top. To admit weakness is to admit defeat. And to say you don't know what something is, a pretty big signal of weakness. There's not much humility and A lot of arrogance driving, I think, these responses more so than any strategy.

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And his work on the Twitter files defending free speech against a very pervasive and insidious censorship regime that our government, even before the Biden administration, had implemented, inspired me that he would do the right thing.

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think in the west this is the reaction that's an important distinction i cannot comment so much on why russia or china uh have have not addressed this in a different way than us but i think in the west and the five eyes alliance and its subsidiaries um you know there is a Understanding, at least, that this is not talked about at official channels, especially if you're a small kid on the block.

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You don't speak out of turn. But it also points to... I think the fact that this doesn't ultimately reside in the government anymore. This is held in an illegal internationalist regime, some sort of international cabal of sorts, mix of corporate, military, political, intelligence, and criminal interests that have come together and they have subverted us and have taken this and have made it

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the source of their wealth and power.

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I mean, it comes in waves.

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So, yes. But I make a conscious effort every day to not let fear rule my life and my deeds. So, yes, I'm scared. But this is the right thing. It's the necessary thing.

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You know, if that happens, don't try too hard. Focus on the mission.

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I trusted too much. And I did not trust myself enough. Took some... I paid some prices and... I do not doubt that there are the seeds for future costs I'll have to pay in the future.

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Well, with the job, with government, my career is dead. It has been dead for years now. I have a file on me. Even if I chose to never do any of this and just keep working, I predict that I would have found my career stunted mysteriously as soon as I would have sought to advance into what I thought was a noble mission.

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um personally it's hard to describe um you know that i've been doing this for about four years now only very recently have i had anyone to talk to um about it in outside of like you know hey can you make this meeting happen um i've had no allies That has changed. It's been a very painful, costly process to find allies, but I have them. There's more of us.

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You know, I would prefer to like maybe cut it down because it's pretty long. Right. But you get to look at it. And are you interested? The answer is yes. We're going to do a story. That's in summer of 24, I believe. Early summer, late spring. So with that in hand and knowing that I had at least tapped Sask and Sissy...

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Yes, I believe, and I think, and I could probably help someone else prove it, but lethal... Lethal action has been taken against people that tried to get the truth out. Or maybe we're just considered wildcards, not able to be efficiently controlled, no longer useful. I think once you taste the darkness, you like using it.

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Yeah, it is. I don't think it will stop being, although hopefully time is its own self. I'd like to spend that time with my wife, my family, in a cell or in the ground. But, you know, this is bigger than me. It's bigger than us. This is the fate of our people. And to me, I'm willing to pay that price.

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This is absolutely what I did not want to do.

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Well, gaming it out, there's more than me. More will come. I could say more if I wanted to. Hopefully this rises to a level of public attention that demands it be addressed in a serious way. I can't cause that alone. Other people will, but more need to come.

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And I think at this point, I'd like to say directly to the members of our military and our intelligence community, the time is now where you must choose whether you honor your oath or your orders. And if you have courage, you already know the answer. But for the rest of you, lead, follower, get out of the way. Get out of the way.

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Thought it was OK to move forward with that story and then try to talk to House with the full details. In the meantime, before that story came out, you know, it takes time to vet things. He has to look into me to find out who I am, look into the details of what I'm alleging.

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When I wrote this document, I've kind of given my state of mind and the measures I took to protect it. I'm also, you know, familiar with ways that information can be extracted that passwords and encryption don't matter. So I didn't write everything down.

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You know, talk about things getting lost in the shelf. Well, I highly doubt many members of the public read 11 pages, much less the first. But at the end, there's an interesting area. People might notice that it's out of order, too. Things are sequentially out of order. There's missing sections. And that one of that last sections says sensitive sources from mouth to ear.

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Well, exactly what it says. Those words were only spoken from my mouth to another's ear.

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It's weird going to the supermarket. Even more, it's bizarre to work in government and see legions of people who have no clue about any of this, and no clue that they are being deceived.

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I was there. I saw it. I spent years researching it. If all that I'm consulting is passage material, then we are engaged in a massive deception against our own military and intelligence community that I was a victim of. And it would have been on a scale that probably would have been its own. New story.

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Well, as a human being, I feel like I'm genuine, putting myself out there, sacrificing my future, my past, and a lot of what I have now to do this.

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So it takes months, you know, so I got some time. And that time, I for the first time get connected with David Grush. I've had a very enlightening conversation with him. And at his suggestion, he connected me with with you. And that is how we came to meet.

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It is true. And I can't think of anything more pressing for our nation to come to terms with than the fact that we have been deceived and our rights taken away to protect the privileges of an elite few. I am not going to live my life knowing that I could have helped prevent another generation of America and humanity from living in ignorance.

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The only reason for secrecy is fear and greed. And that is the paradigm that we must confront and overcome. As for the public and what their reaction might be to this information, good, bad, indifference, I think we already have our answer. It's going to be indifference. Unless... the stakes are made clear.

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There's no bandaid. There's no wound. This is not about protecting, healing. This is about power and control. This isn't about trying to save what's good.

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Yeah, I think... I think we've absolutely replicated some of these capabilities in inferior forms and oftentimes maybe disaggregated from what was at once a unitary system, but we're only able to do a small part of what that system does.

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I think the U.S. military might be allowed to use some of this technology in the national defense, but I don't think they ultimately have control over it.

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I think strategic deterrence has evolved from relying on nuclear weapons as the pinnacle. I believe we have, and others, have developed the means to maybe utilize nuclear reactions to create some very... dangerous effects through directed energy.

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Among many, but, uh, but when it comes to WMDs and relations to this technology, I think we have been successful in, um, both deriving new science that we have then suppressed to preserve a strategic advantage. And, uh, I think I probably don't want to talk too much more about deterrence.

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I think I have a good degree of confidence that the reason they're here is us. I think life, especially sentient life, is a precious thing. And I think to some, it might be a resource. I think humanity to some level is a resource for them.

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Possibly a commodity. Possibly a form of entertainment. Possibly medical-related. Think they live here? Yes. For all intents and purposes? Yes. Always? I don't know about always, but it certainly appears that they have been here for... most of recorded history. At least some element of this has been here for most of human recorded history.

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Yeah, I was asking Grush, like, I'm having a real hard time, A, meeting members themselves, and B, just even talking to anybody at house. Who's the guy to go to? And it was you. Okay. So that was the nature of our meeting.

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It's a bizarre one that I could not understand if it is a game. I think they're both just as powerful as we think, but also less. And I think there is not a single they here. Multiple? Multiple, certainly multiple factions of the same species, if not multiple species. And all the complexity that brings, which might be our best hope.

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So I have been exposed to no... direct information on the anatomy, biology, intentions, culture, politics. Never came across those files? Never came across those. I think those are all some of the deepest secrets. Right. They would be if this is correct information. What I have learned is that we live in a dream, a carefully constructed reality. We

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make use of a science that is tightly controlled and suppressed and distorted, I think we are left behind. Humans. I think normies, the normal humans, the people have been left behind us. People need to understand that we might have freedom of speech, but that has been subverted. We do not have freedom of inquiry. We are blocked from learning what we need to know just in the public world.

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We are blocked from advancing in science. We are taught false science intentionally to prevent us from learning more. We live in the matrix.

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No, I've reached out directly to institutions that claim that they are here to help UAP whistleblowers specifically, both in the process of coming forward and Any sort of stability afterwards, it's been radio silence. At best, at worst, one of those institutions has stolen my information. There is no organized help for whistleblowers. It is all controlled.

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It is all at either the special interest of industry that wants to get in on this,

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And this reality has far more to it than you have been allowed to believe. And God is real.

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Right. And just by walking into those offices or the buildings, those offices are in.

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I mean, in the moment, it just was... somber, serious, also, you know, nervous. I got like, you know, it's five minutes, but I only have probably like a minute to speak.

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So getting, yeah, getting the most important information across and also establishing my credibility as fast as possible.

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Yeah. I mean, at this point in time, I'm very... Actually, skeptical is not the right word. I did not believe that this would work in Congress, but I knew that the attempt had to be made. We had to try. We had to try.

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I knew that I alone wasn't big enough or important enough to shift the tides of history there, to shift what apparently the executive branch had decided, which was we are going to squash this. And anybody that tries to bring it up, we are going to... You know, silence, cutouts and disparage.

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I would if asked, and I did not want to do it at the upcoming hearing. Of course. Because that was very close, and I in no way felt ready to do that.

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I think it'll take quite a change in our present circumstances for anybody to ever testify under oath on this subject again in a way that would make a difference. I think they know the power of... In an open hearing, putting your hand on the Bible and swearing that you're going to speak nothing but the truth and doing so is symbolic and it's very valuable.

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And that is why I believe that they are desperately attempting to deny.

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In the halls of Congress, determining what the business of Congress is, and not even through the courtesy of a phone call to the vice president or the president, but through minions and stooges. Unelected?

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He's going to talk about Immaculate Constellation. And not just a witness on his own next to Lou Elizondo, Tim Galladet, and this guy I've never heard of before, but seems nice, Nick Gold, or Mike Gold. Mike Gold. Mike Gold. That's great.

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I mean, I knew it was going to be, you know, me and my words and my report. And because the two of you met with them the night before the hearing. Well, yeah. And I mean, I I met with Michael to give him the story. I seem like there's no mystery here why they're bringing him.

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Yeah. There was a bit of a personal pleasure, too. I, at the very least, got to see someone else be scared for once.

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not the bosses of the people who interfere in Congress, but the minions themselves because their bosses didn't tell them what was going to happen. Can you dive a little deeper into that? Well, by all appearances, both behind the scenes and in front of them, uh, The submission of this report onto the congressional record and its announcement caught people by surprise.

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Its distribution was allegedly very tight. And these unelected members on these congressional staffs that get to set the agenda for our elected leaders had to scramble and adjust in real time. They panicked.

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In the third and final part of our interview with Matthew Brown, the author of the Immaculate Constellation Report... The submission of this report onto the congressional record and its announcement caught people by surprise. Its distribution was allegedly very tight, and these unelected members on these congressional staffs that get to set the agenda for our elected leaders...