WEAPONIZED with Jeremy Corbell & George Knapp
PART 3 : Immaculate Constellation : A Whistleblower Honors His Oath - Matthew Brown
Tue, 13 May 2025
UFO Whistleblower Matthew Brown has words of advice - and caution - for the public, for Congress, and for other potential whistleblowers. In the conclusion of his massive interview with WEAPONIZED, Brown reveals how public perceptions about UAP issues are carefully managed, how "fear, greed, and willful ignorance" are employed as weapons by those who keep the secrets, and why now is the time for other insiders to step forward and tell what they know. Brown authored the Immaculate Constellation report, that was submitted to Congress months ago, based on evidence uncovered during his tenure working within the United States national security enterprise. He shares details on the types of visual evidence collected by intelligence operatives and technologies, the UAP shapes observed on classified servers, how excessive secrecy is used to stifle honest inquiry by the public and Congress, and how disclosure might unfold in the future. WATCH PART 1 HERE : https://youtu.be/ZAxI-LDrDqA WATCH PART 2 HERE : https://youtu.be/4n_bRtnIP14 WATCH PART 3 HERE : https://youtu.be/PtBVAxoHeaY GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at [email protected] ••• Watch Corbell's six-part UFO docuseries titled UFO REVOLUTION on TUBI here : https://tubitv.com/series/300002259/tmz-presents-ufo-revolution/season-2 Watch Knapp’s six-part UFO docuseries titled INVESTIGATION ALIEN on NETFLIX here : https://www.netflix.com/title/81674441 ••• For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media. Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at WeaponizedPodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is the Immaculate Constellation Report?
had to scramble and adjust in real time. They panicked. What I have learned is that we live in a dream, a carefully constructed reality. We make use of a science that is tightly controlled and suppressed and distorted.
Who are they? Why are they here? Why don't they show us what's going on?
I think I have... a good degree of confidence that the reason they're here is us. I think life, especially sentient life, is a precious thing. And I think to some, it might be a resource. I think humanity to some level is a resource for them. It's been a very painful, costly process to find allies, but I have them. There's more of us.
This doesn't stop. Right. You get to know some of these other whistleblowers who are still not public yet. Correct. But who are at least close to coming forward. Yes. Is there strength in numbers in that regard?
Chapter 2: How are UAPs managed and perceived?
Yes. And if all of us die or are imprisoned, the seeds have been planted. More will come.
I fly out to California and I meet with Michael Schellenberger. I told him, hey, I got a story for you. Would you like to chat with me? I had met him previously very briefly, totally something unrelated.
And his work on the Twitter files defending free speech against a very pervasive and insidious censorship regime that our government, even before the Biden administration, had implemented, inspired me that he would do the right thing.
logical great choice you know that was my hope is to have a lot of journalists working on this from different angles who you can trust who are honest so that's where your head's at yeah so before we have a good we have a good meeting um i i show him the document this has been cleared by state you know uh
You know, I would prefer to like maybe cut it down because it's pretty long. Right. But you get to look at it. And are you interested? The answer is yes. We're going to do a story. That's in summer of 24, I believe. Early summer, late spring. So with that in hand and knowing that I had at least tapped Sask and Sissy...
Thought it was OK to move forward with that story and then try to talk to House with the full details. In the meantime, before that story came out, you know, it takes time to vet things. He has to look into me to find out who I am, look into the details of what I'm alleging.
I know the process, George, and I know the process well.
So it takes months, you know, so I got some time. And that time, I for the first time get connected with David Grush. I've had a very enlightening conversation with him. And at his suggestion, he connected me with with you. And that is how we came to meet.
And I'm looking not to report on what you're saying initially. I'm looking to help you achieve the goal that we're all fighting for, which is getting the people asking for the information. This doesn't have to be public. It doesn't have to be a public display. This is let's facilitate these conversations. That's where we started. I'm not really doing journalism work with you.
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Chapter 3: What evidence supports UAP encounters?
Right. Right. Very public. Very public. So we kind of hid you in the in the camera crews, the way I say it, and that you were walking with us, but but getting into the buildings. But I asked each member, I said, OK, you wanted direct people. I have one here to speak with you. Everybody needs to leave the room, including the cameras. It'll just be us. Is that cool?
And each one, although they gave us wisdom along the way as we did our progression of getting you right in front of people to give them your quick testimony and some documentation. So that's what we went through. And we go in and there you are, you're sitting in front of somebody with position.
I just want to know, what did that feel like, first of all, that moment where you got to finally get to them?
I mean, in the moment, it just was... somber, serious, also, you know, nervous. I got like, you know, it's five minutes, but I only have probably like a minute to speak.
Bro, you were sweating. You were stressed. I mean, it was intense.
So getting, yeah, getting the most important information across and also establishing my credibility as fast as possible.
And I was making sure you weren't a fucking plant. To be honest, that was part of the process is making sure he'd say the same thing to Congress, to members, that he said to me, not that I didn't believe you and I had done the vetting and I was there, but I want to hear you say it, show it, so you're not trying to entrap me. I mean, honestly, that's part of my thing. Yeah.
Man, we got through that, didn't we? We did.
It worked well. It did. So you come out of that thinking, okay, all right, this is good. I made contact. We'll see where it goes. Mold? Yeah, pretty strong.
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Chapter 4: How did Matthew Brown's testimony impact Congress?
Probably CIA?
Yeah, well, certainly.
Yeah. When you hear about the lineup for the hearing that was held, you've got to be feeling pretty good about it. Oh, yeah. There's going to be a witness.
He's going to talk about Immaculate Constellation. And not just a witness on his own next to Lou Elizondo, Tim Galladet, and this guy I've never heard of before, but seems nice, Nick Gold, or Mike Gold. Mike Gold. Mike Gold. That's great.
They're thinking, all right, good, all right. It's going to come out. And we're all punked. Did you know exactly what was going to be discussed by the Schellenberger at that point?
I mean, I knew it was going to be, you know, me and my words and my report. And because the two of you met with them the night before the hearing. Well, yeah. And I mean, I I met with Michael to give him the story. I seem like there's no mystery here why they're bringing him.
There was a lot before that, too. But I mean, I have a two plus month process of prompting, trying to get something on congressional record, knowing that what your testimony was valuable. It wasn't just like spur of the moment. There is a process. It was three major meetings that occurred to validate the information that happened. that you provided to me.
It's not just like, so getting on something on congressional record is a little bit more tricky than people think. They have to have time with it. So I very slowly with your authorization over those months had in-person meetings, not just you being there, but then working with them, showing them the information. So they had time to vet it. They're worried about getting scammed too, right?
So it was a process. It was a process that for me was very arduous.
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Chapter 5: What challenges do whistleblowers face?
Overhead Persistent Infrared. That might be a correction. That satellite may not have been an OPR satellite after all.
But this one, and you keep going on, a boomerang-shaped, jellyfish-shaped, you know, tic-tac-shaped. You're not just making these words up. Like, you saw visual evidence of these. Yeah. And so did have George Knapp and I. We have been exposed to, along the years, a lot of visual evidence. But this one, the large disc in the clouds, just explain to me seeing something like that.
Well, number one, it's pretty striking because you're watching it from Sphinx. It's always cool to watch satellite feeds. And that's just something the general public doesn't get to see. Yeah. And then, too, just the size of it. It was immediately like, well, what the hell is that? It was in, I assume, infrared, either black hot for that one. So the white clouds around it.
And, yeah, it's almost playful in its activities or like it was startled. But it's one of those cases where I look at it and. you know, it looks like a flying saucer, but it might be one of the things that maybe that was actually one of ours in the wrong place at the wrong time.
What do you mean it looks startled? What does that mean?
You know, it's just looking at an area over the ocean is what it appears. And this thing just comes trundling along, like underneath the cloud cover comes up. And then right when it's like almost center frame, it, scoots off to the side and like tries to get out of... Like it comes into a certain way and going, oops, I'm being... Somebody spotted me. I can get out of here. Exactly.
It was visibly... That's the feeling it had.
That was kind of haunting to me. We checked when we were with some friends recently. I never know. We are not qualified to know if some of the things we've been exposed to are... legitimate or not. But when I get confirmations like you describing this and other people we've just recently talked to, I know that footage exists. We've been exposed to it.
And I think that that's a nice piece to the puzzle for the public. Um, what about jellyfish?
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Chapter 6: Why do UAPs have different shapes?
to prevent accidental or just curious people doing things they shouldn't in our homeland, which would actually get them in trouble. It's one thing if we're doing it in some foreign country. It's one thing if we're crossing the line and spying here without a specific mission.
The complaint we hear from UFO world is, I don't care about these blurry images. These things are blurry. The tic-tac, to me, that was a fantastic image. You know, you're not sending Dave Fravor up with an IMAX camera to make a movie. These are captured on sensor systems, the same as like 2019, the USS Omaha, pitch black, 100 miles off the coast of Southern California.
They're picking up an image that they follow for an hour on a thermal camera. They're blurry, but they're amazing images. I mean, is there a reason that the public doesn't see crystal clear movie quality images of UFOs?
Yeah, I think, unfortunately, it's a product of our education system, a lack of curiosity in general about the world. There's a lot of arrogance in our academy, and that arrogance filters down to our citizens. We know the world. We haven't figured out. There's nothing left to discover here.
And I think, in general, there's so much misinformation, stigma, mythology that people grow up with that lead them to just... automatically categorize any of this as just, you know, false, fake, not real, misidentified.
Well, I mean, getting an image on a thermal camera 100 miles out to sea in total blackness sounds pretty cool to me. That sounds like an amazing accomplishment. But are there additional reasons that have been maybe discussed behind closed doors that force fields of some sort around these craft that make things blurry, even from a mid-camera image, do you know?
Probably a very real explanation for why certain shapes, you know, are harder to observe than others. I think, you know, whether it's active camouflage and, like, the skin of the vehicle itself... That definitely seems to be in play. Or a field, like you describe. I've seen evidence of fields around crafts.
Yeah, some things we've seen have looked so bizarre, it makes no sense to my brain. It is possible, I've heard that from a number of whistleblowers at different levels, that what you're seeing could just be a part of a greater structure, you know? So it could be something like that, speculating.
We had this Chinese balloon thing that happened, three different objects, UFOs, three UFOs shot down in a couple of week period. And then we saw people use that, the usual people in the media world who bash this stuff, who tried to blame it on the UAP Task Force. The reason we're not, NORAD is not looking for something like this because the UAP Task Force confused the whole situation.
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Chapter 7: Are there underwater UAP activities?
I mean, it comes in waves.
Okay.
So, yes. But I make a conscious effort every day to not let fear rule my life and my deeds. So, yes, I'm scared. But this is the right thing. It's the necessary thing.
And I was raised right. You think that by talking to us, it's possible that you might have some protection in that if somebody cuts your brake lines and you go off a cliff, at least there's going to be somebody looking into it and, and raise some hell about it.
You know, if that happens, don't try too hard. Focus on the mission.
So this is more about people need to know than about your personal wellbeing.
Um, any regrets now?
I trusted too much. And I did not trust myself enough. Took some... I paid some prices and... I do not doubt that there are the seeds for future costs I'll have to pay in the future.
Describe for us the personal costs, the reality for you going forward, your outlook for ever working for the government again, for example, or with any kind of a job that requires a security clearance, personal costs to your marriage, your personal life.
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Chapter 8: What is the future of UAP disclosure?
So there are other bullets left to fire if you needed to. Yeah.
You know, talk about things getting lost in the shelf. Well, I highly doubt many members of the public read 11 pages, much less the first. But at the end, there's an interesting area. People might notice that it's out of order, too. Things are sequentially out of order. There's missing sections. And that one of that last sections says sensitive sources from mouth to ear.
We talked about keeping that in or how far to go with it. What does that mean?
Well, exactly what it says. Those words were only spoken from my mouth to another's ear.
What is it like to have absolute knowledge that... Not only UFOs are real, that we've been hiding that, that our government has controlled that information away from the base human population, and that there is another intelligence that is engaging humanity straight up. What does that feel like, being one of the people that knows that and doesn't suspect that?
It's weird going to the supermarket. Even more, it's bizarre to work in government and see legions of people who have no clue about any of this, and no clue that they are being deceived.
Why should people believe you? I know what we've been through, but that's not public stuff to everybody, every step we've taken. Why should people believe what you're saying?
I was there. I saw it. I spent years researching it. If all that I'm consulting is passage material, then we are engaged in a massive deception against our own military and intelligence community that I was a victim of. And it would have been on a scale that probably would have been its own. New story.
Oh, absolutely. Nonsensical madness. Yeah. So as a human being, why should people believe you?
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