Mark Halperin
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The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
Thanks for having me back, but I need to say I'm a bit angry.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
Read you from my wristband. My video podcast host went to Greenland and all I got was this lousy wristband. Dude, you brought me nothing. You brought me literally nothing.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
Okay, that'd be better than this crummy wristband.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
Not a joke, by the way. I'll see you there. I'll be at the VIP lounge with you.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
I won't tell you which one, but it's named after a very prominent conservative Republican president. I think you're at Reagan if I was there.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
I think he will unless there's a bunch of Republicans who secretly have said they're going to vote no and they're just being encouraging at the hearings to avoid conflict with MAGA. Democrats, I think, have done a pretty good job, better than the opposition party typically does, of having their topics organized and focusing pretty well on the things they wanted to bring out.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
But there's no bombshell. As far as we know, there's no star witness. The chairman's holding firm has just reported no additional rounds of questioning. And nothing the Democrats did because the witness was very well prepared. He didn't lose his temper. He didn't say things he shouldn't have said. He didn't create damaging soundbites. He was a case study.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
Just as his team was a case study in November and December to get him to this point, he was a case study and had to handle tough questioning. And none of the Republicans seem the least bit concerned on the committee. Now, Senator Cox from Utah said this morning that he's undecided. And if people's suspicion that Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins might vote no means the committee may be misleading.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
The committee is pretty supportive in the main. And the candidates to vote no are largely not on the committee. So I don't think he's out of the woods yet, but I do think it appears he'll get a favorable vote in the committee. And then once he's on the floor, I think President Trump can put down a fair amount of pressure if there is any effort to stop that.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
I think three things happened that changed the direction of the slate. First of all, you and your colleagues made it clear and people try to cast this as something evil and dark. It just made it clear that there'd be accountability for those who didn't support the president's nominees. And I think some of the senators got that message.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
They're not interested in going against the energy of the party. Number two, I think the team's geared up, right? When you're nominated for something, you get a Sherpa, you get a press aid, you get a small team of folks, usually a former senator, to help guide you through the process and interact with the Senate offices.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
And I think those teams weren't necessarily up and running in every case, and now they are. And I think they've hired really good people for that. Finally... you know, if you look at the sum total besides Pete Hegson, there haven't been big revelations about Tulsi Gabbard, about Bobby Kennedy, about, I'm blanking on his name, the FBI nominee, Kash Patel. There just haven't been revelations.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
And so it's easy for the senators and for folks like you to say, these are old stories. You know, we're moving on. We're focused on the positive. So I think those three things have combined to create a very positive situation.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
And last, I'll just say, and I've reported this before, and I know you know it, the level of communication between Mar-a-Lago, folks like you, the senators who are most supportive, Senator Thune, it's remarkable. The text change and the constant communication to be right on top of any weak points is just a model for how this stuff works.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
And the Democrats really are not in a position to match that now.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
Yeah. I mean, you know, in the olden days when I was your age, we had war rooms. Right. And people sat in there with analog telephones and no email. And, you know, you were you were rapid responsive. You wrote and sent out a blast text within half an hour. You all are 24-7 online on phones primarily able to and consuming a lot of income.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
disqualifies you from serving in this role. Now, I've been trying to get answers from you for quite some time on this. You haven't wanted to meet or to answer any of my questions. So we'll just have to do it here and dive in. I want to pick up on some of the questions asked by Senators Sheen and Gillibrand and Hirono.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
So if Elizabeth Warren writes an 80-page letter saying, here are all my questions, it's not like the next afternoon you all are up and running and figuring out what, if anything, do we need to do about this. It's instantaneous analysis, communications, decision-making, execution. And it's with a group of people who are all very, very online and who have a metabolism.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
Not everybody's metabolism is quite as great as yours for this stuff, but most everybody is. And I think people like you and Elon Musk and Steve Bannon kind of set the pace for others and cause others who might have more children or need more sleep or interested in spending three hours with a football game to say, hey, you know, I can't do that right now. It's a critical period.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
For the revolution. So we need we need to be up and running and keeping pace with the guys and gals who set the pace, which is, again, very online, very 24 seven. I'm pretty online. I'm pretty 24 seven. But but you all are doing it in a very tribal, coordinated way. That is that is, you know, again, the Democrats just aren't matching that right now.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
And that's an advantage because these things move quickly.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
Do you have a thought? It's almost like I'm on those text chains with you, isn't it?
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
I'm working on an article now, hopefully I can finish it soon, about Donald Trump's second term is the greatest mulligan of all time. The conditions under which he will enter office is so different than eight years ago. And you're citing one example that's so fascinating because it involves human beings. Donald Trump loves wealth. He loves success. He loves trophies, human trophies.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
And I just want to make sure we have a list of some of the facts that I think are undisputed. I'm not going to talk about anonymous sources. I'm just going to quote you directly. We've got the video. We've got it in print.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
And he loves having relationships with powerful people. And you're right. Elon's not a surprise at this point. But Elon hasn't always been supportive of Donald Trump.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
Yeah, so we've eased into that one, right? The other two, we've eased into as well, right? Zuckerberg has been to Mar-a-Lago at least twice that we know of. He brought gifts. It was reported today he's trying to settle for cash, potentially, the suit Donald Trump has against Facebook.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
And Bezos a few months ago, maybe a few weeks ago, I guess months ago now, made some at a New York Times event, made some publicly supportive comments. Look, part of it is purely cynical. They don't want the federal government to come after them, and being close to Donald Trump is the best way to protect their interests. But part of it is patriotism.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
Part of it is respect for what he's accomplished, not just surviving being shot, but the greatest comeback in modern American political history. And part of it is Trump's desire to really rely on the private sector for a lot of the successes that he wants to have. And he's welcomed these folks to Mar-a-Lago. He's met with them. And they're not the only ones. They're obviously prominent.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
They're amongst the richest people in the world and run businesses that are unparalleled in human history. But there are lots of CEOs who've been to Mar-a-Lago and who welcome the opportunity to be at the table. And as you know well, Donald Trump is not a big texter and a big emailer. You want to be in his presence.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
The more you're in his presence, the more influence you have, the more you're involved in decisions and consultations and conversations. And these guys get the joke. They want to be near him. To quote the great political philosophers, the Carpenters, just like me, they long to be close to him.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
So going back to January 2013, you told a Fox News interviewer that women in the military simply couldn't measure up to men in the military, saying that allowing women to serve in combat roles would force the military to lower the bar. You picked up on that same theme in 2015, making remarks on Fox News, referring to women in combat as, quote, it would erode standards.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
It's like dogs playing poker. It's like a collage you can't believe actually exists. And I will expect you to drag me everywhere Saturday through Monday night. I want to be wherever you are.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
So, OK, I think that's I'll be a full report or whatever I need to be. I just I want to experience those 72 hours exactly as you do.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
Good to see you. Welcome. Welcome home to America.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
June 2024, you said on Ben Shapiro's podcast, quote, Women shouldn't be in combat at all. And then of course, we've talked about it in 2024, you published a book and you say on page 26 of your book, we need moms, but not in the military, especially in combat units. Page 48 of your book, you claim that women should not be in combat roles because men are distracted by women.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
And then 10 weeks ago, you appeared on the Sean Ryan show and said, I'm straight up just saying we should not have women in combat roles. Now, I presume you recall making all these statements?
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
Please, let's not have this same fight again.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
I've quoted you directly. We've got the video. We're happy to show it. But I want to be clear here. For 12 years, you were quite open about your views, and your views were consistently the same. Women are inferior. Soldiers, sailors, Marines, airmen, and guardians.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
Last public comment saying that women absolutely should not be in combat. You declared that, quote, some of our greatest warriors are women. And you support having them serve in combat. Now, that is a very, very big about face in a very, very short period of time. So help me understand, Mr. Hegseth.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
What extraordinary event happened in that 32-day period that made you change the core values you had expressed for the preceding 12 years?
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
I'm quoting you from the podcast. Women shouldn't be in combat at all. We're in reference to standards that they should be there if they can carry, if they can run. I don't see that at all, Mr. Hegseth. What I see is that there's a 32-day period. in which you suddenly have another description about your views of women in the military.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
And I just want to know what changed in the 32 days that the song you sang is not the song you come in here today to sing.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
Let me make a suggestion about what happened in that 32 days. You got a nomination from President Trump. Now, I've heard of deathbed conversions, but this is the first time I've heard of a nomination conversion.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
And I hope you understand that many women serving in the military right now might think that if you can convert so rapidly your long-held and aggressively pursued views in just 32 days, that 32 days after you get confirmed, maybe you'll just reverse those views and go back to the old guy who said, straight up, women do not belong in combat.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
Now, Mr. Hagstaff, you have written that after they retire, generals should be banned from working for the defense industry for 10 years. You and I agree on the corrosive effects of the revolving door between the Pentagon and defense contractors. It's something I would have liked to talk to you about if you'd come back. and been willing to visit with me.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
But the question I have for you on this is, will you put your money where your mouth is and agree that when you leave this job, you will not work for the defense industry for 10 years?
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
Time is short. I just need a yes or no.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
In other words, you're quite sure that every general who serves should not go directly into the defense industry for 10 years. You're not willing to make that same pledge?
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
You'll be the one, let us just be clear, in charge of the generals. So you're saying sauce for the goose, but certainly not sauce for the candor.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
Good to see you, sir. Happy Election Day.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
Well, look, today is big for the people of those states and for the congressional districts, and people in the national press will try to put meaning on it. Your normal mastery of expectation setting, notwithstanding, I don't really have a good handle on Wisconsin.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
And, you know, I think you probably make the Democrats the favorite there, but Republicans, not just Elon Musk, but others have gone all out to win today. So I think a win is a win, and that's generally how you try to judge these. Now,
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
But invariably, Charlie, as you know, the losing side in any special election that the national press and others are looking at for a sign will say our candidate was horrible. Don't read anything to this because our candidate was horrible. And sometimes that's true. Sometimes it's not. But I'm not going to overread either of these results, I think.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
If Democrats win in Florida, it would be a massive upset. I didn't talk to too many Democrats over the weekend on Monday who thought that was likely. And so I think we're looking basically at the question of Wisconsin in the special election. It's important, as I said, for the people there.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
But if you want me to imbue great meaning in it, it would be less from the result and more from some of the crosstabs, some of the demographics that we can see. How did the winner win? The year after a presidential, the president's party typically doesn't do great in specials. And so the Democrats would probably be favored, but I'm not going to overreact either way.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
Yes, yes, and sort of are the answers. There's a bit of data, but it's not conclusive. And of course, there are not a lot of people who love Trump and hate Musk or vice versa because they've become so associated with each other. I think the reason you see more targeting of Musk, and some of that's what we call astroturf, some of that is ginned up by the activist group.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
Some of it, I think, is organic. I think it's because going against Trump is an old story for them and one that they haven't done too well at. Musk is new and Musk is, I say this advisedly, he's less disciplined than Trump, right? So Musk gives them something daily to deal with. And politics is about emotion and emotion can be ginned up by personality. They don't seem to like his personality.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
particularly women. It's ginned up by events, and Musk is in the news regularly and saying things that ginned them up. And it's ginned up by themes that really hit the passion points of Democrats. So you've got a rich guy who says careless things about Social Security and other things, and you've got a guy who has become a villain for the blue America.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
And I think you'll see in some cases, I'm almost certain you'll see some Democrats saying, you know what, we went too far in on Musk. We should have focused more on policy and on Trump and on maybe some of the people, other people in the government. But Musk is a big target for them because he is famous and he is a billionaire.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
Right. So they need the base to win just as as the Tea Party provided energy for establishment Republicans in the 2010 midterms. The Democrats want that. The establishment Democrats, the more moderate Democrats, want that energy. They don't want it to define the party, just as some Republicans didn't want the Tea Party to define the party.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
You know, crowd size can tell you a lot about some things. There's a movement in the Democratic Party. It's not as big as MAGA, and it's unlikely to fuel a general election victory. But there's a movement led by Bernie Sanders that's been around since at least 2015 that is very populist. It has some commonalities on issue positions with MAGA.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
But it's too far to the left, I think, to be the foundation of a democratic victory in the midterms or in the next presidential. But it is energizing. And it does have a lot of very popular positions, just as MAGA and the Tea Party have a lot of very popular positions. But I'll say again, I don't think, and most of my Democratic sources don't think it can be a foundation.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
There's a ceiling on it within the general election electorate. I think what's interesting is that they are filling a vacuum, not just with the crowd size. And again, I saw Howard Dean draw big crowds in his campaign in 2004. It means that they're energizing a part of the Democratic Party and a part of the country, but not a dominant part of the country.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
And I think you're seeing the smartest Democrats, the ones who are really thinking about this tactically and strategically saying, that's good. That energy is good. Let's harness that. But they can't define us. And unfortunately for them, there's no counterweight right now. They are the only game in town for the Democrats that's energized in a way that's foundational.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
But again, they've got to solve that Rubik's Cube. They have to have that energy, those personalities, but they can't be the leaders or they won't win.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
It's too early to tell. I'll tell you the challenge that the Democrats have if they want to replicate what most of my moderate Democratic sources say. If they want to replicate Bill Clinton, 92, three really big differences between between now and then. One is the Democratic Party is far to the left of where it was in 1992. So Bill Clinton's ability to move the party to the center.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
didn't have to travel nearly the distance someone would have to do now. That's number one. Number two, Bill Clinton was the politician of a generation or more in his skill. And so, for instance, He took positions in 1992 that were absolutely against the base of the Democratic Party, unimaginable that a normally skilled politician. So he was for the death penalty. He was for right to work.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
He was for welfare reform. He was for NAFTA. He was for a range of positions that We're at a step with the base, but he pulled it off. And then the last difference, I think, is also pretty fundamental, which is right now the Democratic Party is not hungry to win the way they were in 1992. In 1992, they'd been shut out of the White House since 76. And they basically said, no more.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
If we don't nominate a sensible person who can get on the right side of some 80-20 issues, we will be shut out again. And then we will go four or eight more years without winning the White House back. They're not as hungry right now. They're still really beholden to the base. They had the White House a year ago. So it's not some existential threat from their point of view.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
And for some of them, they say, well, Trump won't be on the ballot. And so we can beat whoever the Republicans put up because Trump is Trump. That is a huge difference. And it's something that Bill Clinton took absolute advantage of. People said, hey, you know what? We can have the White House after being locked out for more than a generation. I just don't sense that in the party right now.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
I don't think it's close. I don't think they're even close to there.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
Yeah, look, Gavin Newsom and Elon Musk, just to tie it up, I think they share something in common, which is they're both underrated about how brilliant they are. They both see things pretty clearly. But I think neither of them manages their public brand very well. I think Musk has allowed the left to cast him in a way that's not accurate.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
And I think Gavin Newsom in his talk with you was more of himself than he typically is. But I think he's not really shown people what he's about. And I think whoever the Democrats want to nominate in 2028 is going to have to be someone who really understands personal branding and how to keep control of what they want and how they want to relate to the party and to the country.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
Well, I write a newsletter that's pretty expensive. You don't have to be quite as rich as Charlie Kirk to afford it, but it is pretty expensive. Wide World of News. Go to walkingduck.com slash Mark if you want to read about how to get it, what's included. And I write that every day. Then I'm managing editor, editor-in-chief, rather.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
I'm co-founder of Two-Way, the live video interactive platform that lets people from across the country and across the ideological spectrum be part of the conversation. It's got a lot of politics. It's also got other things. It's unique conversations that make you part of the conversation. You can go to twoway.tv on YouTube and learn more about that. And soon, Charlie Kirk will be on that show.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
Congratulations about that. Thank you. Last thing I was going to tell you, Megyn has been so successful along the lines of you and others who have learned you don't need an establishment platform to reach a lot of people.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
Right. So I've spent a lot of time on this, and I'll try to be brief, and you follow where you wish.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
there's a school of thought that the president belongs to that says the United States has been treated unfairly for a long time by other countries and that we need to change the way tariffs work to basically tax what they want to send to this country because they tax formally and informally the stuff that we try to sell them.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
And the idea is to make America stronger around the world economically and to get these other countries to treat us fairly. That's not the dominant view of most economists, of most politicians of either party. But President Trump has talked about this for many years.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
And this week, he's going to test the theory of can he make America richer and our economy stronger by putting on tariffs that create barriers to people selling stuff here. I know a lot of really smart people, including some of the administration, who think it's not just a bad idea, but a ruinous idea. I know many business leaders who think it's a horrible idea.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
That President Trump will destroy his presidency over it. And then the president and a lot of people around him think otherwise. It's a very unusual situation. I agree. Where it's kind of black and white. I grew up believing that free trade was better. That's how I was educated formally and as a journalist. But the president won on this.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
And I know, as I said, very smart people who are all on board for this. I will say this. We have grown in this country concerned generationally about the future of our kids and our grandkids and their capacity to compete economically around the world, have as much economic opportunity as we've had. And this is an idea the president believes will help change that.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
And I think he's entitled to make the case and to try it out because of how strongly he supported this as a candidate. I do hope that if facts suggest this is a bad idea, he'll change his mind or at least alter it for us at least slightly.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
Yeah. So 30, 40 years ago, if there were people in favor of tariffs, they were almost always Republican Democrats. And that wing of the Democratic Party, there's some people in there, but not very much, in part because there's party discipline over opposing tariffs now because Donald Trump's all in on tariffs and they think they can blame him if things go wrong in the economy for the tariffs.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
So there's not a lot of Democrats. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
But, and like I said, the administration can do some things. Ultimately, Congress needs to revisit asylum. And the first step is the president can take. And what he needs to do is withdraw from the UN Refugee Treaty, which is where all of this asylum rigmarole comes from originally.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
If they say that, you know, they fear persecution or want asylum, then yes. Yeah, absolutely. Now, they don't even even if they say that they don't automatically go to court. There is a screening interview. what's called a credible fear interview.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
The problem is the standard is so low, even in the statute, that basically it's just screening out people who say that Mickey Mouse is talking to them through their dental work, rather than actually a hard standard where you just flush out the people who are not likely to get asylum. So the answer is not necessarily, not everybody has to get a court date, but
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
you can game the system and the system is gameable enough that if you're smart and if you have a smuggler who gives you the right instructions, you can in fact gum up the system successfully if you want to.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
There's a real danger of that, I'm afraid. And that's the goal of the anti-borders people, both on the left and the libertarians, is to have a kind of one-way border where you can come in, but we can't get you out. The one aspect that gives me a little more hope is that, and the way you can increase numbers, is if the administration steps up worksite enforcement more.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
Because those people are likely, you know, they're not likely to be criminals. Some of them will be, but most of them are just working stiffs. And they're also not going to have credible asylum applications. claims, probably. It depends. Some ACLU lawyer may come up with something. But you can actually get higher numbers of deportations when you start doing worksite enforcement.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
And they have started, but they need to step it up. What they've been focusing on at first, and correctly so, is criminals. But most illegal immigrants aren't violent criminals. They've broken the law, but they're just working stiffs. And if we're going to enforce the law, we've got to enforce Work site enforcement in a big way if you're going to get higher numbers than we're seeing now.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
Yeah, absolutely. The administration is doing some stuff in that regard. I mean, the IRS is now providing information to ICE, and they're making clear everybody knows that. In fact, the acting head of the IRS quit because of that, which is good riddance. The DHS has now—
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
reinstituted something that was in the law, but the Biden people undid, which is if you've been ordered, deported, and just are still here, haven't left, and there's 1.4 million people like that. you now have almost $1,000 a day fine, and they can seize your home and your property, you know, in lieu of the fine. So the administration's doing some of this.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
The big step, the next big step, as you suggested, is making it as hard as possible to get a job if you're illegally here. And that requires worksite enforcement. They've got to step it up. They've got to go after employers where they have evidence that can stand up in court to make it clear to employers they need to avoid hiring illegal immigrants.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
You've got to make it as hard as possible to be here illegally. That's what spurs self-deportation. The administration is doing some smart steps in that direction. They need to step up, especially worksite enforcement, to make that work better.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
Well, the first point is, yes, the border is the regular, the land border is mostly sealed. That's, you know, that's done. But there's lots of people coming in on visas legally and then just not leaving. So the illegal population isn't just, in other words, it's not just a matter of trying to reduce people, get people here to leave. It is still going to be growing.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
And so that's a problem that DHS has to deal with. As far as other choke points, you know, the driver's licenses, we've got to get this real ID deadline passed so that illegal immigrants can can't get regular driver's licenses. Only in certain states can they get basically illegal alien driver's licenses, is what amounts.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
Sanctuary cities is hard enough to crack because the 10th Amendment, according to the Supreme Court, says the feds can't cut off money for illegal alien driver's licenses. purposes that aren't related to that grant money. In other words, you can't say you're a sanctuary city, so no more highway funds or education funds for you. All they can do is cut off Justice Department grants.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
And they're trying to do that. Most of these big cities couldn't care less. They're like, keep the money. We're going to keep protecting illegal immigrant criminals. So Sanctuary cities are a tough nut to crack.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
I'm not really sure without Congress acting, the administration can really, you know, rein them in and end this outrageous nullification, really, of federal law that sanctuary cities represent.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
We're a think tank in DC, CIS.org. We're the only think tank on this. There's a couple of other good organizations on low immigration and controlling the borders, but they're more citizen action advocacy groups. We're the only research group on this. And we've got all kinds of stuff coming. We have a report coming out probably next week on how
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
Immigration is not a solution to the birth rate issue, is that if you're going to have, you know, if you're going to have birth rates to come back up, immigration is not a solution. In fact, it probably hurts it. And to see, you know, everything we do, you can sign up for our email. We don't bother you too much.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
And if you have a taste for snark and sarcasm, I'm on Twitter myself with my account, Mark S., as in Stephen, Mark S. Krikorian. Thank you, Mark. Thanks.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
What we've seen is a 90 plus percent drop in the number of people coming across. And, you know, the Biden administration kept saying this is seasonal. This is because of climate change. This is because of poverty, blah, blah, blah. There's nothing we can do about it until Congress gives us new tools, what have you. Well, we didn't need new legislation. We didn't need new tools.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
We just needed a new president. and the numbers have not just gone down right at the beginning, but we're in April now, and the numbers are the lowest ever recorded. I mean, I talked to some Border Patrol people, and there are days, there are stretches on the border where there are whole days where literally not a single person tries, even in the middle of the night with smugglers, to cross.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
So this is a complete 180 degree turn from what we saw under Biden. It shows that the border can be controlled. Doesn't mean everything's fixed because you've still got all kinds of illegal aliens that Biden let in. You've got visa overstayers. That's going to be the main source of new illegal immigration in the future. But at the border, You know, they've shut it down.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
And the important point is that they need to keep it up so it doesn't creep back up again because the smugglers are always looking for another way to come in. So, you know, eternal vigilance is the price of border security. But so far, it's it's a sea change.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
Our estimate, and this is, you know, some people say it's too low, but I think you're getting something like 10 million people, most of whom the administration consciously let into the country, plus another couple million who were so-called gotaways.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
In other words, they got past the border patrol because there were whole stretches of the border that nobody was able to patrol because the agents were there on diaper duty with all the illegal immigrants Biden invited in, who came and turned themselves in. So I think 10 million is not a lowball number, but it's also not exaggerated. On the other hand, isn't that enough?
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
I mean, how many millions does a Democratic administration have to illegally let into the country before we decide we have to do something about it?
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
The law says you can make an asylum claim and everybody gets to say that when they're captured or when they're in deportation proceedings to say, no, don't deport me because I'm claiming asylum.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
Ultimately, that is the core of the problem we're in because Congress created something called expedited removal, which means, obviously, to expedite deportation of people so you don't end up going into the court system.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
The thing is, if you say asylum or I fear return or I've been persecuted or what have you, then you get taken out of that and put into the pipeline that is now three plus million, almost four million backlog in the immigration courts. That has to be fixed. There are things the administration can do to limit that. But ultimately, this is something Congress has to fix.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
Asylum law is a relic of the Cold War, and it needs to be fundamentally changed. I've written about this. The Heritage Foundation just had a report last week laying out some of the ways to restrict asylum and therefore make it easier to remove people, to eliminate asylum as a gimmick. to do just what you're saying, you know, tie up the courts and stay here for years at a time.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
Very nice to be here, although, Charlie, I got to admit, I almost canceled for two reasons. Do you want to know what they are? Yes, you do. Oh, boy. Here we go. Number one, you still haven't come on two-way. And number two, there is a new glowing profile of you in the fake news New York Times today. So how can I trust you when you are, like, giving unlimited access to the New York Times?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
Yeah, look, this is Donald Trump's high point in most polls compared to his first term. But this is such an unusual situation. It's in some ways a second term, but of course in some ways it's a first term. The energy, the mandate, the fact that he won the popular vote this time, but not the first time. Most people who run for president and win twice do worse the second time.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
Trump did better the second time, okay? So more of a mandate. off to think about how to do the job, more activity. You think about the early days of the second Obama term or the second Bush term or the second Biden term or second Clinton term. It wasn't like this at all.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
So when I talk to Democrats, strategists about why Donald Trump is doing well, why the voters like him, where I look at the data, it's pretty clear. He's being active. He's being authentic. And he's getting very much of the attention, the three A's. So I'm not surprised his numbers are where they are. I wonder if they can go higher or if he's at his ceiling.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
But I think the key to why he's doing well compared to a lot of second term presidents is something that the press, it's probably the thing the press has gotten the most wrong about Donald Trump for a decade now. His agenda is popular, not everything, but most of what he's done for the first three weeks, past 70, 30, it's very popular.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
If people were just going on his policies, his approval rating would be even higher. So I'm not surprised. And again, it's apples to tangerines compared to a normal second term, that it's hard to put these numbers in context. What we can say is they're higher than most second term presidents at this phase, and they're certainly higher than Donald Trump was in term one.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
Right. So Biden's numbers went down after Afghanistan and never recovered. You could call that a scandal or just an example of mass incompetence. And it was in the context of what people were already sensing about the incompetence of the wrong-handed policy on immigration. I think the Democrats have not settled on three things. You say, have they decided how to respond?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
I think there are three elements to responding. One is, who are the people? Who are the personalities? You can't fight a personality like Donald Trump with Ken Martin, the new chair of the Democratic Party, right? It's going to have to be one or two big personalities. Second is, what are the issues?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
There's a rough consensus, I think, that people think the best issue for them is cuts in programs that benefit the middle class and working class people. at the expense of tax cuts for the wealthiest. I think that's the theme they want. But there's a number of complexities with that from a practical point of view we can talk about. And the last thing is, where is it going to be, right?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
You'd think, well, the DNC, Chuck Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries, maybe some of the prominent Democratic governors. But what I heard this weekend in my reporting, and I wrote about this a little bit in the newsletter today, is the grassroots says, you know what? We can't rely on those institutions. They have no clue what they're doing.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
They don't have the energy or the vitality or the verve to go after Donald Trump. So they're thinking, where's our Tea Party? And I say this again. Sometimes I kid you. I'm not kidding about this. Where's our Charlie Kirk?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
Where's our guy or gal who's on email and texting every minute, who has a huge platform and a huge megaphone, but also is out there engaging like voter registration and organizing activism? They're trying to find that. And you hear that from some of the donors, too.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
They're saying, why should I write a check to the DNC or to Cory Booker when I don't think those folks have an idea of how to stop Trump? Where's my Charlie Kirk of the left that I can write a check to, to start something that's got energy and newness and digital vitality?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
No, I know you don't, and I'm speaking objectively. In the New York Times story, I joked about it. It validates what some people on the left are now seeing, which is you, and Steve Bannon could be put in this category. There are some others. It's a different model. You think about Rachel Maddow, or you think about those, what are those bros called? Pod Save America. Pod Save America, yeah.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
They're doing a content, and they're doing events to make money. Like, you know, you do those two things too, but they're not doing the other stuff you do and Steve does and some other folks on the right do. And that's not a small thing. It's the combination. Entrepreneurship is the right word, I think. And they don't have that. And the other problem they have is you all have a huge head start.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
And I guarantee you, if there were some liberal entrepreneur, Charlie Kirk analog on the left, I guarantee you that person would face a lot of scrutiny and a lot of friction and tacks on the sidewalk in front of them as they tried to get a running start. It's very difficult. Nobody really impeded the Tea Party on the left. They didn't see it coming. They didn't take it seriously.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
So they face a challenge not only to identify the people who have the multidisciplinary abilities that you have. And again, I happen to be talking to you, but I would say this to anyone. I just said it on two-way a few minutes ago. I'd say it to anybody. They don't have that person. And again, launching is quite difficult.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
And part of the challenges, you know, as a student of this, they still have CBS News. They still have the Washington Post. Even though those places are diminished and even though those places are in some ways being a little bit fairer to the right than they've been historically.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
It's very difficult to find the incentives that you found and others found to rise up and say, we need all new forms of things. And of course, Rush Limbaugh and Talk Radio did this before you did. You stand on their shoulders. It's easier to get that energy, that vitality, that determination, and to find a market when you see out there, well, half the country's got their market.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
It's a supposedly fair media market. And they're there. So if you're trying to launch Charlie Kirk of the left, you're competing with the Washington Post. And that's the hard thing to compete with because they've got a big head start.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
Yeah. Yeah. With with with declined but still huge audiences and and who's and who's, you know, who's corruptness. is manifest to tens of millions of Americans because of the combination of bias and denial. And again, the same organizations that denied for many years Joe Biden's loss of mental acuity, who denied the plain as a nose on your face reality of Biden Inc.,
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
Those same organizations are covering the Trump White House. Those same organizations are covering the fights on Capitol Hill. Not just the same organizations, many of the same people. And so you cannot be, it is not a symmetrical thing. They have some asymmetrical advantages because they've got the establishment media, what I call the dominant media.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
But the right has some asymmetrical advantages because as you said, you all, as Rush did, can play off of it. And that's an extremely valuable thing.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
Three things. Fidelity to President Trump and a belief that he must get off to a fast start. He's entitled to his picks. Two is the tactical strength of the teams around the controversial nominees.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
whether it's Hegseth or Gabbard or Kennedy, very good teams of so-called sherpas, communications, inside politics, knowing that you and others could pressure these wavering senators in a way once you were activated that would really impact them. And then lastly is the performance of the nominees themselves. I think Hegseth in particular saved himself by going out there and making the case.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
And I think Kennedy and Gabbard did as well. So I'd say those three reasons.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
It's called Wild World of News Concierge Coverage. I've got two sub stacks, but you want the concierge coverage when it's a daily newsletter.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
We could do three hours on the ways it is unprecedented, not just Musk's involvement, but the way it's being done, the scope and scale of the ambition, the speed with which it's being done. So there's lots that's unprecedented here. I think that it's great to talk about cutting spending, and there's no doubt that it's irresponsible to future generations to run up debt and deficit like this.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
Here's some realities. You can't either cut or tax your way out of debt and deficit. You have to have robust economic growth. Three, four, five percent. Some people say that's impossible. I say it better be possible. So that's the key is the policies that are going to lead to more growth if you want to reduce debt and deficit. But spending cuts are important.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
I think Democrats have made a huge mistake saying, oh, it's only $25,000 or it's only $26 million. I think taxpayers feel like every dollar is precious. I totally agree with that.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
If it goes for fancy subscriptions to something called Politico Pro or some sort of play, regardless of whether it's a comic they disagree with. So I think they're on the right track there. But the reality is you cannot cut spending that doesn't affect people. And I think they continue to talk about it as cuts as opposed to restraining the rate of growth.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
I think eventually they'll get around to doing that. But where the money is, is in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. You could cut every bit of discretionary spending, even cut some defense spending, which most Republicans don't want to do. You will not get to the point where you'll see significant deficit reduction. So I hope that Republicans and Democrats join together to say,
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
These programs are invaluable, and the way to save them, not destroy the programs, the way to save them is to find ways to make them more efficient, to find cost savings, to do things like, say, really rich people maybe shouldn't get the same Social Security benefits as other people. Those are the steps they haven't taken.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
So while it's great that they're looking to cut a little bit here and a little bit there, and I think that's right, although there needs to be scrutiny about whether they're doing it legally and whether they're doing it in ways that might cut programs that are worthwhile.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
I think I think the big question is, can they actually make a dent in the deficit by going where the money is, which, again, is in these programs that President Trump has vowed not to touch?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
Again, as I said before, I think you're right that that theme could get more traction with certain parts of the country, but they don't want to be a party that only is as broadly as appealing as Elizabeth Warren, because that's not a majority party. That's a party with tens of thousands of really passionate people. but it's not a majority party.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
And so I think what you're seeing is the Democrats trying to figure out how do you take those themes that might be subscribed to by the squad and might even be subscribed to by, you know, Mark Kelly and more moderate Democrats and have a spokesperson who can kind of knit it all together in a critique. They don't have that yet. And they don't have the grassroots organization yet.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
They have the embers, the green shoots of that. So I think there's no doubt that those themes are where the Democrats currently are putting their energy. But I think it's going to have to be broader than Elizabeth Warren, wing of the party, or it will not win the midterms.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
I'll just say real quick, one of your greatest strengths is you are actually not complacent as opposed to faux not complacent.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
I stepped on the promo. I stepped on my own promo. That's right. Thank you, sir. It's all good. I love it.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
Yeah. I mean, first of all, every time I see the guy on TV now, he looks exhausted. Those of you who are just listening to the audio, Hakeem Jeffries just needs a nap or a vacation. And that means I believe it's a manifestation of how much pressure he's under. I hear from Democrats in Congress regularly and I spent a lot of time on the Hill this week around the president's speech.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
He is not able to grapple with the liberal wing of the party. And so what you have is a guy who knows his party's on the wrong side of a lot of issues, including the one that Governor Newsom made news on. He is he is unable to stand up to that wing of the party because when he tries, they threaten to revolt there. It's where the energy is in the party.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
And and they've not found a way to stand up to him. Governor Newsom could have given them a heads up. He's not particularly close to a lot of Democrats. A lot of Democrats don't like him and he doesn't make time for them. That happens sometimes with big state governors, particularly California, because it's 3,000 miles from Washington.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
But I believe that if Gavin Newsom runs for president, he's not going to run as part of the Washington club. Right. He's going to run as an outsider. That's in vogue right now, of course. And so he didn't want to give him a heads up. He wants to he wants to operate here on his own plane. And.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
And I'll say again, that reaction, that Brooklyn brand of word salad from Hakeem Jeffries is a manifestation of the fact that the party is a mess right now, not just on the issue of trans athletes and women's sports and girls' sports.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
But on the general question of how do they grapple with Donald Trump, who, contrary to what the press says, is largely talking about issues that are 70 or 80 percent popular as opposed to 20 or 30 percent not popular. And they don't just they haven't grappled with that because the rational thing would be to pull some sister soldiers and say, you know what, we're with America.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
But they just want to, as he did there, change the subject or in some cases defend the unpopular position, which, you know, hats off to them for being principled. But your party can only last so long if they're on the wrong side of 70, 30 and 80, 20 issues.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
It works in possum politics, but this is about human beings. Look, I think James is trying to make a virtue out of three things, which right now are big problems for the party. One is President Trump continues to be an 800-pound gorilla moving 800 miles per hour. Number two, Democrats don't have any leaders who have the communication skills to stand up to him.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
And number three, they don't have anything like what your party has, which is issue positions that you can sell through a machinery that's cranking fast, involving communications and interest groups and real human beings, as we saw at the State of the Union-like speech. So I think what James is basically saying is we need to do nothing now because anything we do will make it worse.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
See Tuesday night. But eventually, when he thinks the time to stop playing possum comes, you'll still need those same three things. You'll still need leaders and ideas and messaging capacity. And Donald Trump hopefully has made some errors. That's the thing that could change that they don't have to control, but it's not definitely going to change.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
So I've heard lots of smart Democrats say James is just saying that because he wants to have something to say. And the alternative is to say, yeah, Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer and Dick Durbin are should be going head to head with Donald Trump right now when the party is divided and without any popular issue positions that they know how to sell.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
Super successful getting a lot done. And it's unprecedented. You and I have talked about it. We've never had a second term president like this. All the energy and creativity and more planning than we've had in a normal second to first term president or second term president. but much more experienced than a first-term president. So it's a combination that is working very well.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
They're getting a lot done. I think there's three big areas of danger. One is dealing with the Congress on the big stuff that has to get done. Republican-only votes required for the reconciliation packages on taxes and spending and immigration and military stuff. That has to get done, and they basically can't lose any Republican votes.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
At the same time with Congress, they have to get Democratic votes on some issues. So figuring out how to pass, avoid a government shutdown, raise the debt ceiling, and pass the president's domestic agenda, that's one. Two is Doge, which is great and popular if you describe it as cutting waste, fraud, and abuse. But as we saw this week,
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
Members of Congress, Republican members of Congress, members of the cabinet, they just they say we don't work for Elon Musk and we don't want to cut veterans. We don't want to cut hospitals in our district. We don't want to cut research in our district. And so figuring out Elon's role and figuring out how to cut without. Really pissing off not just voters, but a lot of Republicans and veterans.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
That's a second, third, second issue. And then third is the president's unprecedented at this stage of an administration playing big casino overseas, big casino in the Middle East, big casino with Ukraine, Russia. And maybe he'll succeed. And certainly I don't think you can argue that this is worse than what Biden was doing, which was basically nothing.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
just maintaining the status quo, but he's taken a lot of big risks. He strikes a deal with Russia and then there's Russian tanks on the Champs-Élysées, or he does a deal with Gaza and something worse takes over. So those are big risks. I'm not saying he shouldn't be pursuing these three tracks by any means. Those are things he ran on. But I think those are the big areas of what
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
littered with landmines and complications. And there are some Trump allies, including at least one friend of yours that I know who say maybe this is too much from a communications point of view, a bandwidth point of view, a presidential focus point of view. Maybe there's just too many big projects and some of them should go on the back burner for now.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
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The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
Good to see you, sir. It's Wide World of News. You were very close.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
I have so many thoughts about it. I'll tell you my two top ones. First of all, you would think if someone found themselves for the first time in their adult life in a room with someone more handsome than them, it might lead to humility. But instead, it's like your producer's creating like a little shrine to you. about your appearance. So I'm a little, I'm a little surprised.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
Had you been in the room with Gavin Newsom before? Was that the first time?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
Yeah. So again, you're two of the three most handsome men I know. And so for me, it's just eye candy. To the extent I listened, um, I thought I thought it was super interesting. I'm really glad you two did that. You're both fans of two way, although neither of you have come on yet. That's my other big thought. But but I have great respect for both of you.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
I think that you're not underrated, at least not anymore. He's still underrated. I'm not sure he'll run for president. I'm not sure if he ran. He'll win. But I think he's a very thoughtful guy. He's not as liberal as people think. And you saw that in the big news he made. with you on trends and sports. And he's better with people than he's giving credit for.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
He's had some troubles governing his state in part because the legislature is so liberal. But I think for me, you two sitting down and doing that is great. And I think in general, I've listened to, I haven't finished it. I've listened to about two thirds of it. I think I think it's a great conversation. And I think you two talked about things in a way that was good.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
In other words, like you weren't it was very much in the spirit of what I tried to do. You just communicated with each other. You didn't come trying to score points. And obviously he ceded a lot of ground to you on the 2024 election and particularly on this issue of trans athletes and women's sports.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
I like the way you framed it. Look, let's see if he takes any action. It is the case that sometimes political figures, elected officials, have positions and they don't act them. Right. You've had pro-life presidents who didn't do very much to to try to overturn Roe or to try to change the law in a way that would protect more life. So that's one example. I could give you many.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
Look, this is a guy who was for same sex marriage publicly before Nancy Pelosi was before the Clintons were before Barack Obama was, which you could say means he's more left wing than them. Or you could say he is willing sometimes to take positions that are a little bit risky. That position is popular now, but it wasn't back then.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
I think that every Democrat has asked themselves two questions if they disagree with Governor Newsom, and many people criticize him. One is, do you want your party to be on the wrong side of an issue, 70-30, 80-20? And if you truly believe that you want to take the position that's the minority, go out and defend it.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
Don't try to, as most Democrats are doing today, try to obscure the issue and say, well, it should be up to local officials. There's a clear demarcation here. And I think whether you think he switched for cynical purposes or not, I think he explained himself pretty well.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
And I don't think it's I don't think it's obvious that he's I don't think it's I think I would take him at his word that this is what he thinks. But as you said, if that's really what he thinks, there's some actions that have to come with it following through.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
But if he does want to run for president, and again, I'm not as sure as you that he does, if he does want to run for president, that kind of thing is going to put him in a category that very few Democrats today are willing to be in, which is stand up to the base of the party with principle and emotion.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
Yeah, it was before you were born and I was in the room for it.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
Yeah, I use it all the time, that phrase, because I covered the Clinton campaign and I was there for that. Sister Soulja was a rap artist who had lyrics that were very violent about, I think, killing police. It was at least about violence against police. And he went and spoke to Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition event. Sister Soulja had spoken earlier at the same event.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
And he said, you had a rap singer here named Sister Soulja. I disagree with her. Seemed today that seems maybe a little quaint. But back then, when Bill Clinton's Democratic Party was not as far left as it is today, but it was too far left to win presidential elections, standing up to the base of the party, it was seen as very difficult now. And few were willing to risk doing it.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
Bill Clinton's whole campaign. was the bad sister soldier moments. He came out for NAFTA, which back then was out of step with the Democratic Party, the trade deal. He came out for the death penalty. He came out for right-to-work laws, against right-to-work laws, for right-to-work laws. He came out for welfare reform.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
All of these things were seen as part of a very self-conscious and purposeful effort to say things that would put him at odds with the liberal wing of the party to say to more moderate voters, including independents and Republicans, but also to Democrats who wanted to win. I will stand up to the base of the party. Now, when you say Gavin Newsom might have said what he said with you earlier,
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
purely for cynical political purposes. I think Bill Clinton believed all those positions. So it had the added advantage of being what he believed. And it's easier to sell that to the public if it's a legit position. But I think Gavin Newsom is someone who has in the past not gotten enough credit for criticizing some of the more liberal policies of the party. And this is of a piece with that.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
And again, when the left squeals, which they have, and I think it's been more muted than it might have been, You've got to follow through with it. If you want to make the political points stick and sustain, you've got to stick to your guns. You've got to look for opportunities to do it.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
But you also have to do, if you want to win the Democratic nomination, you also have to do what Bill Clinton did. Bill Clinton said, I would say I'm a Democrat by birth, heritage and inclination. And that's the only way to get the Democratic nomination, because it's still dominated by the liberal wing of the party. Drag them to the center on some issues, but convince them that you're one of them.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
And I think Gavin Newsom is one of the few Democrats with the skill to do that.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
Well, I think the party is split. And again, the Democratic Party is farther left than it's been in my lifetime or yours. And so the power of the left and the distance, someone who wants to push the party or pull the party back to the center is farther than it's ever been.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
I know plenty of Democrats, including people who are in the Bernie Sanders wing of the party, like Congressman Ro Khanna of California, who say, of course, we have to talk to we have to talk to the whole country and not be in our narrow and confined blue bubble. But again, it's hard to predict how this will go because standing up to the base is a problem.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
And you saw that on Tuesday where Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer. refused to stand up to the base of their party, and they had a massive calamity. If they weren't protected by the media, what they did would still be a dominant story. It's not today. There's a lot of other news.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
But I think it's up in the air now whether there'll be Democrats like Newsom who help to pull the party back towards the center, or they'll be too afraid like the congressional leaders seem to be right now.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
I assume you've been talking about all week. Yeah, I mean, the outbursts at the State of the Union, but also the whole series of events around it where the party simply cannot talk about issues in a sustained way that are popular. They're discombobulated by Donald Trump and the whole Trump team, including you. extraordinary skillful at keeping them discombobulated.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
They went into that with one goal. Their one goal was, we want to talk about the real lives of real people that are being impacted by Trump policies. And instead, they engaged in conduct. I'm particularly hung up on the failure to cheer for that little boy, for DJ. It's just unbelievable. It's not human. It's not human. But they went in and they exhibited conduct that
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
So disqualifying for so many people. Now, can they come back from it? Have they done things that are also of a piece with that? Of course. Of course. Of course. But the symbolism of the inability of the leadership to get them to do a simple plan does not speak well of the party.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
I'd say three main things. First of all, I thought the president's performance, whether you love him or hate him, it was just an incredible physical performance, entertaining. He's a great television producer, as you know, and I thought the casting of the folks from all over America representing certain themes were really key.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
And it's always important to remember the president, contrary to what Politico and others want to say, He's not talking about extreme red meat MAGA issues. He's talking about issues that are broadly popular, including with people who don't like him. And that's something that put the Democrats on their back legs.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
Finally, I'll say what the Democrats did last night, even after decades of partisanship and even after Donald Trump is doing things that are partisan. I thought their behavior last night and not applauding a little boy with cancer, not applauding Lincoln Riley's family was disgusting and unhinged. And I think they'll pay a price for it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
And Megan, you'll recall that a year ago, Joe Biden had to be dragged kicking and screaming into saying her name at his State of the Union address. after not acknowledging her brutal murder, after not having a consciousness phrasing to say, you know what, maybe we should listen to the public. Maybe we do need to close the border.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
Maybe we do need to figure out where all the people are in this country here illegally who have violent pasts. Last night, they were given a mulligan on this tragedy that not only is a tragedy for a family, but has implications for the country. And they just they refused to take it. They refused to be human. And I think, again, President Trump's plenty partisan.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
I understand how much they don't like Donald Trump, but there's opportunities to behave like a human being. And because of party politics and their Trump derangement syndrome, they chose not to. And I think it's a it's a horrible thing. It's a horrible thing that they did.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
Well, my reporting's mixed on that. Some of my sources say it kind of just happened spontaneously, that once they sort of got into the pattern of not clapping. Remember, the tradition is members of both parties escort the president out to the floor. And so they started the evening declining to participate in escorting him out to the floor.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
their view, and it's the view of tens of millions of people, he's illegitimate. He won the popular vote. He won the election. Even after January 6th, they still think he's illegitimate. And so that is manifested in that room by the party, by the members of Congress. And they simply, I think, I think just in the moment,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
They sabotaged their efforts to make this about policy and Donald Trump's policy, the implications of his policies on real people. And they turned it into an MRI of their soul, as the old expression goes. I can't tell you. I just can't see how a human being could sit there and not stand up for that little boy. Exactly. I just don't know.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
I just, I just, you know, there's so much in politics that you can understand because you understand the motives of politicians, right? If you've covered them for a while, I can't understand not standing up for that little boy. I just, I can't understand it. And I think it was reflective of how much they're still on their back feet. They still don't understand the country.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
And Donald Trump's appeal to enough people to get him elected and to put him in a very powerful position, because, as I said, he's talking about popular issues. They want to say he's talking about MAGA issues. He is some, but mostly he's talking about popular issues on which many of the members of Congress and the Democratic Party are on the wrong side.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
It's an interesting question. I think I want to figure out a way to drill down on it with a series of focus groups, because the amorphous thing is they hate him because he's Donald Trump and they think he's going to destroy democracy. But some of them don't like Tulsi Gabbard. Some of them don't like Bobby Kennedy. Some of them don't like Pete Hegseth. Some of them don't like Musk.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
Some of them don't like Doge. Some of them create democracy. falsely that he's going to he's talking about cutting Social Security. I think that they're having trouble figuring out because I think a Democratic Party and the anti-Trump movement contains multitudes. And it's obviously a weakness.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
The point last night for the leadership was let's all focus on one thing, that his policies will adversely affect people. And that's a good debate. And there's some truth to it. If the country really wants to have significant savings from Doge, they're going to have to be things given up. Research on medical innovations is going to have to be given up.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
Access to national parks is going to have to be given up. Not entirely, but to some extent. That's the debate. They said they wanted to have it. Instead, they did stuff that you can't ignore. Now, I will say, if a Democratic president, if Kamala Harris had introduced a little boy with cancer who had outlived his diagnosis and loved law enforcement...
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
and the republicans had sat silently not applauding not standing it would have brought the media to a standstill and that is the part of their problem is they are enabled in their negative attitude in their lack of strategic vision to how to confront him and there's plenty to confront because the press does not call them on it and so they they don't really understand exactly what's actually happening in the real lives of real people and how people would experience such a display
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
I asked some Democrats who were in the chamber, how could you not have stood at those moments? And they said, and these are reasonable people, Trump lies about the border. His policies on the border are inhumane. Trump wants to cut Social Security, and he's lying about it. These are questionable decisions to take, but I understand their passion.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
But I don't understand the connection between those things and sitting silently while these extremely heart-wrenching stories are told. As you say, some of them, they could say, well, I don't like Trump's immigration policy, so I'm not going to applaud and support Lake and Riley's family, I guess. But I go back to the little boy. As you said, there's no policy story there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
It's just a great American story. And it is inhumane to not applaud them. But it speaks to their lack of strategy several months after the election. It speaks to their Trump derangement syndrome in many cases.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
And it speaks to their failure to recognize what's happening around them, which is a guy who they want to say is extreme red meat MAGA actually has found the sweet spot on a bunch of issues that are popular, even with a lot of their own voters and the Democrats. And they just don't see that yet. And they certainly didn't see it last night.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
And perhaps the reaction to last night will make them see it. But I'll say again. Their best friends in the press, the irony is the best friends in the press are creating for them a blue bubble that won't, I don't believe, cause many of them to think anew after last night because they're not being told in their world. That was a real problem last night. It was a real problem.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
Yeah. I mean, on this issue, the pendulum swing way too far, not for extremists, not for activists. It's it's swing way too far for a big majority of the country. And now I think there needs to be a reasonable conversation about when it swings back. Where should it stop as it swings back? Because it will swing back some. There needs to be a serious conversation.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
I think for most Americans, there's a big difference between kids and adults. And so I see how people on the left are upset. They say, you know, this is inhumane. This is dehumanizing. This is this is shaming people. Well, they're going to have to recognize that their their failure to acknowledge how far they let the pendulum swing and not just let it swing, how far they swung it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
They're going to have to figure out they're going to figure out where where can they accommodate understanding the majority and stop acting like they're the majority where the pendulum swung.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
You know, the people who on that set and in Congress and on MSNBC who want to litigate the size of the mandate and want to minimize his victory are... Spending time not trying to understand why he won. Someone who they think is the worst person in the world.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
Someone who won after the events of January 6th, who won after denying he lost the election in 2020, who won after four years of a term that they consider to be a complete abomination. They need to spend more time for their own good and for the good of the country answering the question, not how big is this mandate, but why was he able to win? How did he win?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
And how is he governing now in a way that's almost unbothered by the Democrats' efforts to slow him down?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
Well, I do agree with Dan. It's one of the reasons we like him so much at two way and why he's so popular with honest Democrats and with a lot of centrists and moderates and independents and some Republicans, because he's willing to say the truth. You know, I watched more MSNBC last night after the speech. I usually do because I was super curious to see if they would acknowledge what had happened.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
And instead, Nicole Wallace basically demonized a little boy. The question of what happens next, I think everybody assumes, as I did after the election, that the Democrats would get their act together. I think last night demonstrated, as both cause and effect, they're far from getting their act together.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
If that's the best they could do on a night like that, to just completely have the biggest own goal I can remember in an event like that, they've got a long way to go. And President Trump is, all presidents are in danger of overreaching
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
But I think he's now basically competing against himself because there is no Democratic opposition that's putting up a meaningful challenge to what he's doing by executive order, by what he's doing in Congress, at least so far. There are some things that are going to require Democratic support, and I think one danger for him – He certainly faced the kind of heckling that Democrats used to decry.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
I mean, I've listened for years how Democrats said one South Carolina Republican, Joe Wilson, said to Barack Obama, you lie. They still talk about that as a desecration of the State of the Union and of the presidency. Last night, there were countless things just like that. I think...
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
The president's going to have to decide if he can govern and the things that are going to require some Democratic senators at least to vote his way. Can he govern if he is not turning the other cheek to when he is slapped? And that's going to be a challenge for him because, again, there are some things that require Democratic support.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
And after last night, I don't know where those votes are going to come from.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
They all have that same little mic too. One of the few areas since the election where the Democrats have found a correct diagnosis, not a necessary cure, correct diagnosis is they're way behind in organic social media and in creation of social media by political players. Charlie Kirk, Steve Bannon, there are no analogs like for them on the left, okay? So they say, we need to do better.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
We need to create more compelling content on a regular basis. Their challenge is, it's very hard to do quickly, and it's very hard to match fake stuff like that, scripted stuff like that, to beat organic, because the organic stuff is so powerful, and it involves...
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
big personalities who developed followings over a long period of time consistent performing this is synthetic but it's at least an effort to put out it's it's somewhat compelling now i don't know if they didn't think they'd get caught or maybe they thought it would be good to have it amplified by having some you know having the kind of coverage you're engaged with it now but
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
Again, it's one of the few areas where they're at least acting on a correct diagnosis, which is they are so far behind. And of course, in the Obama years, they were far ahead, and now they're far behind. And they have to be players in podcasting, in video, in programs like this, in the creation of social media for TikTok and other places.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
At least in this case, they're trying, they're bringing in people. They spent a lot of time with liberal creators yesterday, the Crooked Media guys and other people. They're far away from where they need to be. But again, at least this is a single area where they're making an effort.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
I will say that version is better than the one that Dick Durbin did. I don't know if you saw that one, but hers is better. No, I'm kidding. Kidding, kidding. I just like the thought of Dick Durbin doing his version. I think it'd be good.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
No, he's not. I could expound. I could expound. But no, he's not. Look, most people who join losing tickets, Tim Kaine, for instance, who who did a thing on Saturday Night Live a few weeks ago where he was like, no one knows who he is. Most deep candidates on losing tickets don't don't that emerges super strong.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
i think that the nature of his failure is is pretty obvious to most democrats and he got off easy as you know he was not scrutinized very much and things that didn't turn up were not you know placed front and center i think that um it is a it is a mystery in my career at this phase we're early obviously we're not even you know close to the midterms at this phase every cycle i could tell you five people for the party out of power
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
or if there was an incumbent, both parties, term-limited incumbent, who are the five people who I'm watching who I think really have the potential to do what it takes, the difficult task of winning a party nomination and potentially the White House? I can't give you five Democrats, but what I can tell you is if you forced me to 50, I wouldn't say Tim Walz.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
So here's the hierarchy, the way I think about this. At the top is the victims. And nothing should be done on this that doesn't acknowledge what happened to them, get them the justice that they deserve. The Epstein victims. Yeah, the Epstein victims. And we shouldn't look at the titillation that some people feel over the names of people associated with what happened.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
Shouldn't look at that as a distraction. So that's priority number one. Number two is the President promised transparency, not just with these files, but with the Kennedy files, the RFK and JFK files, the Dr. King files. That's an important commitment that he made, and it should be lived up to.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
And when it's done in this way, where they say we've got a big release and then it turns out to not be new, that undermines people's confidence that they really have a dedication to true transparency. Number three... This is a screw up. Whether the ABC reporting is exactly right or not, we know the end result was the public was misled. These influencers were treated poorly.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
That's a basic level of incompetence at the highest levels that I think should get people paused because for the most part, this administration under strange circumstances has executed pretty well. Lastly, as you said, the president and the administration's relationship with these very influential people, you don't want to embarrass your friends. You don't want to undermine them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
And that photo of them smiling with the documents makes me sick every time I see it. But it's hard to blame them because, as you said, they were put in a situation they weren't expecting. So that's how I break it down. That's how I see it. And I think in all four strands, the story will continue because, as you said, the attorney general is promising more.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
Thank you, Megan. Great to see you. Appreciate it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Unhinged Left Screams About Elon and Trump, and Trump Gets Detained American Released, with Adam Carolla and Ana Kasparian | Ep. 1006
I will forever be indebted, President Trump, to Steve over there. What a dynamic man this guy is. Steve Lukaku. I'm a middle-class school teacher who's now in a dream world. We're going to show you the Lincoln Bedroom in a little while. And I'm so happy to be back here. And... I wish I could articulate it better.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
They fund the Academy of Nutrition Dietetics, which 40% of their revenue comes from the food companies. And when you go to their meetings, and I've been there, and I've spoken there, there's like... big exhibit halls that say, no pictures allowed. Why? Because it's full of junk food. And they're promoting to the nutritionists as sort of healthy alternatives.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
And so you've got them creating front groups like the American Council on Science and Health that is actually some of those guys that have been in jail for Medicare fraud. And they're a bunch of quacks who are funded by big tobacco, big food, big ag, and say they pesticides, trans fats, and high fructose corn syrup are all healthy for you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
And then they fund social groups like NAACP and Hispanic Federation to get them to oppose things like soda taxes, which we can argue is good or bad, but they want to lie themselves so they don't push back on them. And they target those groups more directly than other groups in society.
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Yeah, well, I was about to say that. And they're their biggest lobby group. So they fund huge amounts of miseducation and misinformation on both sides.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I mean, Roger Marshall, who's now the head of the MAHA caucus in the Senate, I called him out in my book, Food Facts. I said, you know, there was a panel on chronic disease and a hearing in Congress. And he was emphasizing it was just exercise that was the issue. It wasn't diet at all. And he was funded by the Confectioners Association of the show. And now we've become friends.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And I said, listen, Roger, I called you out in that book. Just hope you don't mind. He says, don't worry. He's seen the lights in. Yeah, yeah. So people change.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Good. It's hard to imagine how those guys go to sleep at night saying what they say. Right? I mean, to say there's no connection between sugar- It's social factors that's causing all the obesity amongst the poor. Yeah, it's not just poverty. And by the way, it's affecting all sectors of society, not just the poor.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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That's true. But when you look at SNAP or food stamps, It's called Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, but it's really about food security, which means you get enough calories. So you can eat 2,500 calories of soda a day, and that's enough to fuel your metabolism. But it's gonna kill you.
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Good to be here, Megan.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And it's not nutrition security, which is what we need in America, which is providing enough nutrients to people who have also food insecurity. And you look at Snap, 20% of Coca-Cola's US profits come from food stamps. It's a big chunk of Walmart's profits. And the people don't realize that we pay for the problem multiple times.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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There's a new kind of concept called the commercial determinants of health, which is how multinational and transnational corporations privatize profits and socialize the costs of public health. And so the taxpayer is paying the bill. We pay like probably four times, for example, for the food.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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That's right. We pay for the farmers to grow the corn that makes the high-fructose corn syrup that goes in the soda. Then we pay for the soda with SNAP. And then we pay for Medicare and Medicaid on the back end. Mm-hmm. to deal with the chronic diseases like diabetes that result from it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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No, traditional medicine is really about sick care. It's diagnosing and treating disease as opposed to the science of creating health. That's what functional medicine is. Instead, it reframes our whole perspective to get to root causes rather than just downstream symptoms. So medicine is sort of divided into specialties and different organs and different parts, but your body is one whole ecosystem.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And who's paying for the environmental consequences of how we grow the food using methods that disrupt our soil, the loss of soil organic matter. We've lost a third of all our topsoil. Soon we're gonna lose all of it. The amount of water resources we use to irrigate, which are because the farming methods don't retain water in the soil.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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For every 1% organic matter, you retain 25,000 gallons of water per acre. So we're losing huge amounts of our water infrastructure. And we're also poisoning the rivers and lakes because all the neuroelectrician fertilizer flows down to them and causes the overgrowth of algae, which sucks all the oxygen out and kills the fish.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And so we have dead zones the size of New Jersey and the Gulf of Mexico or America, whatever you want to call it now. And there's 400 of those around the world that feed half a billion people. And then we lose biodiversity. 75% of pollinators are gone. So the list goes on. Who's paying for all that? Who's paying for the bees being destroyed? Who's paying for the water being destroyed?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Who's paying for the fish being destroyed? So basically, it's us.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah. Well, the thing is the farmers are a big voting base. And so you don't want to lose them. But you also want to take care of them. Because when you look at farmers in this country, suicide rates are higher than almost any population. Chronic disease rates, Parkinson's, cancer, because of how they're farming. They're not able to make significant profits.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They're really marginalized in terms of the way they're stuck between the bank loans, the crop insurance, and the seed and chemical companies that they have to buy the seeds and the chemicals from. So they're kind of stuck in the middle. And there is a way out. And it's been demonstrated. The science is there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The economics are there to convert farms that are industrial farms to regenerative farms. And that can be done at scale. And this has been well shown in a movie coming up called Common Ground. I think it's going to be released in about a week on Amazon.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah. And it shows how these big corn farmers can actually do this. And And they make more money. They restore the ecosystem. And what is regenerative farming? It's basically mimicking nature. You know, Gabe Brown was a farmer in North Dakota, a conventional farmer. And his farm was destroyed by drought and hail and all kinds of things. And he was like, what am I going to do?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And he started reading Thomas Jefferson's journals. And in the journals, it explained how he used methods to restore the ecosystem to use regenerative natural pest control methods to actually use methods that actually restore soil, that retain water, that do all the things we want to do.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And now we begin to understand that and how things like environmental factors, toxins, our diet, stress, allergens, and so forth, interrupt our biology, or lack of certain things we need, like the right food, nutrients, amounts of hormones, light, air, water, sleep, connection, movement, all these things are ingredients for health.
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And Gabe Brown has demonstrated this on his 5,000 acre farm in North Dakota and has actually makes 20 times as much money, restored the soil, doesn't use irrigation, doesn't need to use chemicals. produce much more food, much more nutrient-dense food. And it's all been well-documented through science. So it's possible. It's just a matter of how do we transition farmers?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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How do we support them to do that? And private equity is investing in this. I mean, private equity is in paying farmers to convert because they know they're going to get a return on the back end. To regenerative. Yeah, they know it's a profit center and they're going to make more money than industrial farmers.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It's one of the best things we can do for the environment, for the climate, for energy. I mean, there's so much oil used in farming. People don't realize it's a huge amount of the inputs are all oil-based, the fertilizers, the pesticides, the amount of oil usage, the big machinery. All that is an enormous amount of oil that we use just to grow vegetables and grow corn and grow soy and wheat.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So that can be changed.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
Better to use it in the engines than in their bodies.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, I think we've had this edifice in medicine where the doctor is the gatekeeper and the healthcare system is the gatekeeper between you and your own biology. And I believe that needs to be changed. And people should be empowered to know what's going on in their bodies and to have the information to interpret it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And that's really why we co-founded Functional Health was to allow us to break down that barrier, to allow a personalized health platform that allows you access to your data and then to know what to do about it. What does it mean? Do you give them a code?
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So functional medicine's about identifying the root causes, which are the lack of things you need to thrive, and too much of the stuff that doesn't, your body doesn't like, whether it's heavy metals or whatever it is, and taking those away. And then your body has this natural intelligence and healing system that allows your body to repair, heal, and renew.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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A code?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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How do they figure out what it means? Essentially, we're building the engine and we have tens of thousands of pages of content that educates people about what it means, what to do about it, what the root cause is. So let's say you have a positive autoimmune antibody.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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In a traditional healthcare system, you say, okay, you're going to go to the rheumatologist, they're going to see if they can diagnose you with some autoimmune disease, and then they're going to give you an anti-inflammatory drug that's going to suppress your immune system, whether it's a steroid or a biologic that costs $50,000 a year. They're not going to go, why is this abnormal?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So we guide you through an understanding of what it means and why is this potentially an issue? Is it because you have a leaky gut and your microbiome is messed up? Is it because you're eating gluten and it's driving that autoimmune biochemistry? Or is it because you're exposed to environmental toxins that are immunotoxic that affect you? So we begin to sort of
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sift through or is it because you had COVID or because you have Lyme disease or whatever? And then you can sort of sift through and say, oh, gee, this is why I may be sick. And then we say, here's how you further investigate and here's the kinds of doctor you want to see and here's the next steps or here's things you can do on your own. So it's really about self-empowerment.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It's preventing everything because it's like, you know, there are a few common causes that drive all the chronic disease we're seeing. And it's not that hard. It's too much of the bad stuff and not enough of the good stuff that our bodies need. And when you take out the bad stuff, you put in the good stuff, which is essentially what functional medicine is, the body knows what to do.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So I'll give you an example. So I had a patient come in and she had psoriatic arthritis. She had terrible inflammation of her skin and joints were swollen, you know, the heartbreak of psoriasis. But she also had terrible heartburn and reflux. She had terrible irritable bowel syndrome. She had migraines. She had depression. She had prediabetes. She was overweight.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And she was a 50-ish year old business coach. And I said, gee, what are all these things, how are all these things related? Instead of seeing the best doctors, which she did at Cleveland Clinic, the best doctors in rheumatology, the best migraine doctor, the best GI doctor, the best depression psychiatrist.
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And she was seeing the best of every class and got the best of the state-of-the-art current model of treatment, which was just pharmaceutical drugs. Nobody said, why is she having these problems? It's the medicine of why, not what. Why do you have this? Not what disease do you have? Not what drug do I give, but why? And then we investigated because she had all these gut issues.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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A lot of your immune system is in your gut. And so I cleaned up her gut. I got rid of the bad bugs. I gave her an antibiotic and antifungal. Restored her microbiome with probiotics. Gave her some fish oil and vitamin D. Came back six weeks later and she's like, doc, Everything's gone. I lost 20 pounds. My psoriasis is gone. My arthritis is gone. My migraines are gone. My depression is gone.
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I feel great. My irritable bowel reflux are gone. And I stopped all my medications. I'm like, I didn't tell you to do that. She's like, no, I just was feeling so good. I stopped them. And so once you understand how to unlock someone's health and give them the roadmap, they can do it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And when you create health, disease goes away as a side effect. So functional medicine is really about this new paradigm of dealing with the body as an ecosystem, rather than going to a different doctor for every inch of your body. Yeah, it just makes sense. But it's not. It's not. It will be. It will be. It's coming. It's like, it's where the science is. It's where we're headed.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yes, of course. I mean, I'm a family doctor and I've treated thousands and thousands of kids. And it's just so disturbing to me when I see the kinds of things that really are affecting these kids. I mean, I had one little girl who was 10 years old and she had this horrible autoimmune condition that was triggered by her eating crappy sugary diet that was causing tons of yeast overgrowth in her gut.
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She also had gluten antibodies that were causing some injury to her gut lining that can trigger autoimmunity. She also loved sushi, which was weird for a kid, but she loved a lot of mercury-laden tuna. She was eating a lot of that. She had mercury toxicity. And we basically reset her gut. We put her on an elimination diet.
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I gave her some things to get rid of the overgrowth of yeast in her gut, and I gave her chelation to get rid of the mercury. And she had something that was, she was on like 1,200 milligrams of solimedrol, which is like a horse dose of steroids. every three weeks intravenously. She was on chemo drug called methotrexate. She was on drugs to help with her rhinos and other gut issues.
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So calcium channel blockers. She was on a whole list of things. Aspirin, because she had more blood clotting. She was on a pile of drugs. And she really couldn't function really very well. She completely fixed it. She was 100% better. I checked with her 10 years later, she's doing great. She's gone to college and is really healthy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And so we see that we start to dig into the root causes and help people understand how their body is actually organized, not how medicine currently organizes it. We can do tremendous amounts. And that's really why I think functional health is so important because it helps us leapfrog over the current medicine, empowers people with their data, and helps them understand what to do about it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Oh, yeah, that was me.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah. So, I mean, we hopefully can show this on the show, but there's a kid I had who had ADD, and this is what first got me to realize that what was happening in the body affected the brain. in a very profound way. It wasn't just the mind-body effect, but the body-mind effect.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And many of our psychiatric illnesses are caused by dysfunctions that we can treat, not with ADD medication, which is now prescribed.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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This is interesting. Yeah, I mean, and this kid had ADD, but he had also all these other issues. He had asthma and he had allergies and he had stomach aches and he had headaches and a whole list of stuff. And he was seeing seven different doctors, about seven different prescriptions. And he was on Ritalin. He'd been kicked out of kindergarten. He was that bad. And his writing was terrible.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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These kids often have what we call dysgraphia. It means you can't read their writing. Really poor handwriting. But at 12 years old, you couldn't even read it. And his mother came to see me. We put him on a clean diet. He was only eating processed food. We did a nutritional testing. And it was so malnourished. He wasn't really overweight, but he was really malnourished.
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It takes a generation or two to change science.
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She didn't like it, but she's doing the best she could. As a mother, you don't know.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It's true. And two months later, the mother brings him back and he's doing better at every level and he's off all the medications. But what was so striking to me was his handwriting before and after. She showed me his handwriting from his homework And it was like a different kid.
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And it was at that moment I go, wow, how did his brain going from being chaotic and dysfunctional and not synchronizing properly to being kind of functioning and organized and structured so that he can actually function in the world and not have ADD. and his handwriting go back to normal. Because it wasn't like I gave him a handwriting class. And I was like, wow, this is crazy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And that led to me writing this book called The Ultra Mind Solution, which is how to fix your broken brain by fixing your body first. And this was like 15 plus years ago. And now there's departments of metabolic psychiatry at Stanford, nutritional psychiatry at Harvard.
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You guys, Chris Palmer is a Harvard professor, is a psychiatrist who discovered accidentally you could cure schizophrenia on a ketogenic diet. And now there's $3 million grant that just got given to Mayo to study and ketogenic diets and severe mental illness like bipolar disease and schizophrenia.
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And we had such a stigma against this instead of understanding that this is something that actually is because our biology is just not functioning properly.
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Yeah, but this is actually looking at academic medical centers. This is what they're studying. Like they're looking at these things seriously because the data is there. And so, you know, Max Planck, who was a physicist said, no scientist doesn't advance by convincing your opponents and helping them see the light, but because a new generation grows up that's familiar with it.
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In other words, medicine advances one funeral at a time. Yes, right. And so it's unfortunate. People get very ossified in their ideas. And Thomas Kuhn wrote about this in the structure of scientific revolutions, how it's very difficult to convert
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people who believe a certain thing, like the Earth is flat, or the Earth is the center of the universe, or that species arise in their fixed state, you know, basically.
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Whatever, yeah. People basically just have this very fixed view of the way things are, and it's very hard to change that. Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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Yeah, no, I mean, the two things that make us sick are our diet and environmental toxins. And those things are ignored by traditional medicine. My daughter just graduated medical school. I mean, she learned nothing about these things. And yet every day in my practice, I see people with chronic illness
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Thank you.
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whether it's autoimmune diseases or whether it's metabolic diseases or whether it's digestive diseases or neurodegenerative things like Alzheimer's. And they're all things that we now begin to understand the root causes and we can actually change those and reverse those chronic illnesses. Like nobody ever heard of reversing diabetes before.
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Nobody ever heard of reversing Alzheimer's or reversing autoimmune diseases. And you can, and that's the beauty of what this approach does. It's really where medicine's headed. It's where major sort of academic institutions are researching, but it takes a couple of decades for,
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And I bought the implicit bias in medicine, which is eat less and exercise more. Meaning it's your fault you're fat. You're a lazy glutton and it's your fault. So get your shit together. But that's not true because people are hijacked. Their biochemistry is hijacked. Their brains can't hijack. Their metabolism is hijacked. Their hormones are hijacked. Their immune system is hijacked.
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Tom was hijacked and that drives you into this disease state that we have in America today. And so, and this kid was a 16 year old. He lost 50 pounds, had to go get a job and there was no place to get a job except fast food places on there. He gained 50 pounds back. He says like putting an alcoholic to work in a bar.
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And then he texted me later. He's like, hey, would you help me? And I helped him. He lost 132 pounds. First kid in his family to go to college. Finished college. Emailed me and said, hey, Dr. Hyman, would you write me a letter of recommendation for medical school? And now he's a doctor.
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I'm getting chills. Yeah, to me, that story is emblematic of the fact that we're literally one meal away from transforming the health of America. If we can go in... And Paul Farmer did this with TB and AIDS in Haiti. It was an intractable problem.
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They didn't have clean water, they didn't have sanitation, they didn't have watches, and these drugs are complicated to take back then for multi-drug resistant TB and AIDS. And he was like, we can fix this. And he used community health workers, neighbors, helping neighbors.
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And so imagine if we created a workforce of community health workers to go out there and go into people's homes and show them how to do this. And we did this at Cleveland Clinic.
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It's true. I mean, I was shocked. I was at Cleveland Clinic and there was a hospital there that takes care of a big African-American community that's very underserved. And we had a cooking class. And I thought a few people would show up. 300 women showed up.
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Science did become practice.
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And we had this big cooking class. That's what I need too.
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Well, it gives you an unlock for your health in the way that you've probably never had it. And testing things that your doctor... probably doesn't even know about. It should be tested or that you might ask in bone test, right? Like your vitamin D level. Why should you know that, for example?
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And for $1.37 a day, unless with your discount, you get deep insights about what's going on with your biology from your metabolic health and
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how your blood sugar regulation is, to your cardiovascular health, your hormones, to environmental toxins like lead and mercury, to your deep analysis of your nutritional status, things that you're... I mean, we literally work with Quest and we broke their testing for essential fatty acids for omega-3 machines because we were doing such a volume. We're one of their number one clients.
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We do cancer screening, gallery screening, which is quite amazing to look at
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cancer detection we found one in 180 of our members who's tested have a undiagnosed cancer which you can what detect in a blood test now oh that's amazing and it's more accurate than many other screening tests we have and it's something that should be available to everybody and we're we're one of the number one providers in the world for this so it's it's unlocking things that you'd have to go through the firewall of medicine to get and then on the back end you not only get your results but you get deep insights about what they mean
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Well, it's a beautiful dashboard that you can track your data over time. And as a physician, when I see a patient, I have to pull up the PDF of the results and then look at the one from last year or the last month. And it's a pain in the ass. It's not digital. It's not visually presented in a graphic way that helps you understand where your trend lines are. And function has all that.
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But more importantly, it really has the deep insights that are formed by all the scientific literature in the world. I mean, imagine your doctor being able to read every scientific paper that was ever published. Now technology can do that, right? Imagine having the knowledge experts informing what things mean from all domains.
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And imagine it being formed by your data, your personalized data, so you actually can understand what it means for you and what to do about it and how to act on it to up-level your health.
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Like, who do I call? Well, we're still building the platform because we literally launched two years ago. We have a success that we never quite imagined, but we're building a chat where you can interact with your own data and ask questions. But you can go to your family doctor or you can go on to learn more from the platform itself because there's so much information
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Well, we're giving them deep insights about what things mean. And there are medical insights, but we're not telling you what to do or not to do.
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Good question. We need more of them. But I think part of the reason I co-founded Function was that there aren't enough. There should be hundreds of thousands of practitioners so that millions and millions of people can access this. But before I die, I didn't want to die not having functional medicine being accessible to everybody or having their own health data being available to everybody.
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It's a way of leapfrogging over a period where we don't have the infrastructure yet. And we will, I promise you, we will, Megan, have the future of medicine come to pass as the way it should be, just as we now don't any longer do blood leeches or all we do for some wound healing, or we don't have like drill holes in people's skulls to let out the bad, evil humors. I mean, we advance in medicine.
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And I think, you know, this new generation of the network systems medicine, it's going to, the scientific paradigm, it's going to come to pass.
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It's not an inspirational message. I mean, food is the biggest cause of disease and the biggest cure. And doctors learn nothing about it. Nothing. In Texas, I was testifying in front of the Health and Human Services Committee about a bill that was to actually start to educate doctors about nutrition and to mandate it in medical schools and in graduate medical education residencies.
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I'm so excited about that because that'll be a domino effect. Once state starts to do it, it'll sort of be a trend. And then we can actually start to train the new generation of doctors that is in the right paradigm.
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Well, it's pretty easy to understand. So your body is like a hybrid car. You can run electric or on gas. Gas is dirty burning, electric's clean burning. Gas is carbohydrates. So your body runs very well on carbohydrates, but there's a lot of downstream consequences of having a high-starch carbohydrate diet.
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She's into stopping it.
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For certain conditions, and this was first discovered in medicine with epilepsy, we found that if you took away all the sugar and starch and you increased fat to like 75%, you could actually stop seizures that no medications would touch. If you look back at the history of medicine and diabetes, treatment of type one diabetes, where your pancreas just shuts down, all these kids would die.
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And the way they would treat them would be putting them on a 75% fat diet.
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Everything, lard, butter, everything. And I mean, by the way, Megan, 25% of breast milk is saturated fat.
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It's gotten a bad rap. I mean, we can go into that too if you want. But what was fascinating back in the teens and 20s was medicine was actually prescribing ketogenic diets for type 1 diabetics to save their lives.
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And now we see that we can actually reverse what is predominantly a carbohydrate intolerant society where we have 75% overweight, 93% metabolically broken, meaning they have some problem with regulating blood sugar and insulin. 93% of us, I mean, 6% of us aren't, probably you and me are part of that 6%, but it's not a lot of people.
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And when you restrict carbohydrates and you increase fat, you actually switch basically from a gas-burning car to a electric-burning car, and it's clean-burning. But now we're finding it's effective for reversing type 2 diabetes, for treatment of Alzheimer's, for cancer. Siddhartha Mukherjee, you may have heard of him.
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He's a famous oncologist from Colombia, written a book called The Emperor of All Maladies, won the Pulitzer Prize. He's now doing research on ketogenic diets for end-stage cancer, like melanoma and pancreatic cancer, and seeing complete reversals. What? Yeah, because basically cancer runs on sugar, but it's not like a hybrid. engine. It can only run on carbs. It can't run on fat.
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So you starve it of this carbs and cancer cells die. It's pretty remarkable. So across the spectrum, whether it's autism or Alzheimer's or cancer or type two diabetes or schizophrenia or depression or bipolar disease.
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Not too much. Not too much. Yeah. I think you can do it on a plant-rich diet and you can do it in a way that doesn't include a lot of junk.
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Olive oil, avocados, yeah, nuts and seeds. People do well. I mean, I think you have to understand that there are certain people who do better or do worse depending on their genetics. I had a patient who was overweight, who was struggling with lots of inflammation, who was pre-diabetic. His cholesterol was like 300. It should be 200. Her triglycerides were 300. It should be 100 or less.
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Her good cholesterol, we don't really like to call it good or bad, but the HDL was low, which is a sign of this metabolic dysfunction. And she was desperate to try to do something. This is the pre-Ozempic era. I said, listen, why don't you try ketogenic diet and see what happens? And let's follow your numbers and see how you do. Everything corrected. Her cholesterol dropped 100 points.
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Her triglycerides dropped 200 points. Her HDL went up 30 points. She lost, you know, 25 pounds and she felt great. And so, and her prediabetes went away. So depending on the person, it can be a very effective tool, but it's not like a one size fits all.
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There may be, but there's actually a paper coming out soon which looks at what we call lean mass hyper-responders. There are certain people who, when you have perfect metabolic health, in other words, you have no prediabetes or insulin resistance and no inflammation,
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and you're a fit athlete and you have basically a lot of lean mass and not a lot of fat on your body, when they consume high saturated fat or ketogenic diets, they'll have a really dramatic increase in their LDL cholesterol.
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Now, this is something that doctors have been trained is bad and that you immediately have a knee jerk reaction to prescribe a statin drug, which is the number one class of drugs sold in the world.
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Now, some of these people have LDLs not under 70, which cardiologists would like, or even under 100, which is their lab reference range, but they have LDLs of 200, 300, 400, 500, 700, and they have no heart disease through imaging tests. And so this is like a revolutionary new bit of data that's now emerging from the scientific literature. Like, what is going on here? How does this work?
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That's right, it's future. That's changing. I mean, Toby Cosgrove, who's one of the most visionary leaders in healthcare, was the CEO of Cleveland Clinic for many years. And he invited me to come to Cleveland Clinic to establish the Center for Functional Medicine because he realized that the future is going to have to look different when it comes to chronic disease.
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Well, when you don't eat sugar, you have to transport energy around the body. And how do you do it? Through fat, right? And what is the biggest fat carrier? It's your liver. which is fat and water don't mix, right? So you can't just put fat in your blood. You have to connect it to proteins. So what is LDL? It means low density lipoprotein. It's a lipo means fat, protein.
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So you put fat and protein together, it can be transported through your body for energy and other sources. So it's really, it's fascinating. The science is constantly evolving. And I think for certain people, ketogenic diets can be life-changing, like life-changing.
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I've treated schizophrenia with it, treated Alzheimer's with it, autism with it, depression with it, obviously type two diabetes with it. And you can reverse up to 60 to 70% of type two diabetes. That's very advanced where people are on insulin. When I was in medical school, chronic diseases were chronic. They never went away.
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To reverse heart failure, to reverse diabetes, to reverse kidney issues, to reverse hypertension. These things don't happen in traditional medicine.
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Well, you can eat a Mediterranean diet, but that's not necessarily a ketogenic diet. Ketogenic is a very specific thing that happens in your body.
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Some people do, and they thrive on it. Other people don't do well on it. Try it for a month and get your influence. You need about, you know, usually six weeks to adapt to become fat adapted to your metabolism shifts over. And then you can see where you're at and then check your numbers.
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But, you know, there's a company called Virta Health that's reversing type two diabetes with an online program of ketogenic diets. And not only have they seen 60% reversal, not only they've seen 12% weight loss, which is massive. It's as good as any of these drugs that are out there now.
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And actually they've done a parallel study comparing just their program to Ozempic and those drugs, and they were equally effective in the outcome. So it's not something magic about Ozempic. It's the weight loss, and it's the change in metabolic health. And so you can do it through various ways, whether it's a drug or whether it's a ketogenic diet.
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That the old model of looking for a drug for every disease or a pill for every ill is not going to solve the problem. We saw this massive failure with Alzheimer's. We saw billions of dollars of money, federal money and private money and pharma money going to researching the drugs that they thought would cure Alzheimer's and none of them have worked.
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And they found their lipid biomarkers, over 20 different cholesterol and heart disease risk factors all got better by eating a super high fat diet.
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Well, trans fat is basically the worst saturated fat. And that's basically vegetable oil shortening. And they call it shortening because it shortens your life.
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It's an olive oil cake.
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Yeah, you can. And so there's a tremendous amount of emerging data that saturated fats aren't the boogeyman we thought they were. It was a long history of a scientist named Ansel Keys in the 60s who basically did a study called the Seven Country Study, which showed that people who had higher levels of saturated fat had higher LDL and higher heart disease risk. But they left out
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the other uh 14 or 15 countries where their data didn't match that like switzerland or france or right so they were like i was cherry picking a little bit and then we got in this era of low fat and that led to the food pyramid which told us to eat 6 to 11 servings of bread rice here on pasta day which we did like a dutiful population that was a nice time let's be honest so
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We did that as dutiful citizens. And what happened to America? We exploded.
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That's right. Well, sourdough's not so bad. But the diabetes rates exploded. I mean, we've tripled the obesity rates. We've tripled the diabetes rates. You can see it. I mean, this is not a genetic problem.
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African-Americans in the 60s were healthier than white Americans. They were thinner and they had less disease. Now it's the opposite. You know, when we saw COVID attack certain communities like New Orleans or Chicago, and there were 70% of the deaths were from 30% of the population, which was African-American. And when you watch like, there's a movie called Amazing Grace with Aretha Franklin.
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It was filmed in 1970 in Oakland. there wasn't an overweight black person in the audience and she wasn't overweight. And you go like, wow, that's crazy. And now 80% of African women are overweight and obesity rates and heart disease rates and hypertension rates and kidney failure rates far exceed.
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Yeah. Yeah. And that was the problem. And now we've kind of reversed that trend. And I think it's a big sort of tanker ship to move, but we have to do it because we're not only threatening our personal health, we're threatening our national security.
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Billions of dollars, hundreds and hundreds of studies. Why? Because they weren't looking in the right place to solve the problem. They were looking at the pathology downstream, not at the upstream causes. And so the causes are not that hard to understand. It's our metabolic crisis.
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70% or 77% of recruits for the military are rejected because they're unfit to fight because they're overweight or other reasons because of their diet. You've got global competitors being challenged.
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We're like 30-something in math and reading in the world because kids can't learn in school because they're all doped up on these drugs and eating sugar and these chemicals in the food that are causing ADD, behavior issues, and all sorts of things. And depression. And depression.
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Yeah, yeah.
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No one. It's true. It's true. I mean, it's the most amazing thing to me because it's so obvious. But as doctors, we learn that disease really doesn't have anything to do with nutrition. If you go to your rheumatologist, if you have an autoimmune disease, they say, oh, it's nothing to do with nutrition. If you go to a GI doctor, I mean, I'm like, what do you mean? A GI doctor.
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I mean, think about it. You're putting pounds of this foreign stuff in your mouth every day. How does it not impact what's going on in your gut?
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Right? It's like, it's kind of crazy.
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What are you eating? Yeah. I mean, I have an incredible approach to one of my patients where I put them on a reset program. It's like hitting your body's factory reset button. So go back to your original factory settings. And I call it the 10-Day Detox Diet. I've written a book about it.
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There's a website where you can kind of go on 10daydetoxdiet.com and actually learn about it and do it if you want to. And what's amazing is that in 10 days – There's a 70% reduction in all symptoms from all diseases, which sounds crazy for me to say it, but I've done this so many times with so many people and tracked their symptoms and how they feel.
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And it allows them to see the connection between what they're eating and how they feel. Oh, I didn't know that this constant congestion I had was from when I was eating. I didn't know that this rash that I've got on my body all the time I can't get rid of is from what I eat.
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I didn't know that my stomach issues are related to my, or my sleep issues or my depression or my migraines or whatever it is. Food is generally the first place to look.
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Prediabetes, they're calling Alzheimer's type three diabetes, which is because of the sugar and metabolic issues in the brain. That's why keto diets work so well for Alzheimer's. They're looking at environmental toxins and how they play a role. There's heavy metals or petrochemicals or other toxins. Mold may be a factor. Tick infections may be a factor. Nutrition deficiencies might be a factor.
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And if you can clean the deck and take out the bad stuff and put in the good stuff, you know, take out all the processed foods, all the sugar and starch, put in, you know, lots of vegetables, good healthy, you know, protein, lots of nuts and seeds and get out all the ultra processed foods. The body is so smart. It's like quickly changes.
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And I'm sort of shocked when I see it and it's repeatable every single time.
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The vegans and the carnivores on one side.
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And no heart disease.
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That's it. Well, they had grass-fed steak in Argentina. And so there's no industrial.
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Well, that was a result of this demonization of saturated fat. The meat has some saturated fat. So if you eat that, you're basically going to kill yourself. So there was a whole era where people were eating very low amounts of meat and our meat consumption has gone way down. And it didn't mean that all the disease rates went down. So something didn't kind of line up.
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And what happened with meat is that we kind of got confused because a lot of the population studies that were done at that time, and population studies do not show cause and effect. They just look at trend lines. And then it may be a cause or it may be a correlation. And what they found was that people who were meat eaters in those eras actually had more disease.
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But when you look at the specifics of their behaviors, the meat eaters in those studies, they ate 800 calories more a day. They drank more. They didn't eat their fruits and vegetables. They ate more sugar. They didn't exercise. They smoked. Yeah, there you go. That's why they were sicker. It wasn't because of the meat.
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And when you look at studies, for example, when they've done this with 11,000 people who shopped at health food stores who were either omnivores and ate meat or vegans or vegetarians, they both had their risk of death reduced in half. It's because they weren't eating all the crap, right? So it's not the meat, it's what you eat with it. Is it the burger or is it the bun?
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Who doesn't?
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People don't even know what a gram is. I mean, this is an example of how the food industry has taken over our government in labeling. and we're trying to change front of package labeling and food labels, but no one knows what a gram of sugar is. If I say four grams is a teaspoon, if I say this soda has 15 teaspoons of sugar, you're gonna like blink and look twice.
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I had a patient who was diagnosed with early dementia and she was an older woman who had absorption issues of B12 and also some genetics around vitamin B6 and folic or folic acid. I gave her like vitamin B12 shots and high doses of B12 and B6 and folate and her dementia went away. Wow.
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If you say it has 39 grams of sugar or 40 grams of sugar, you're not going to know what that means. No. And that's on purpose.
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Yeah.
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That's on purpose. Right. You know, I mean, you have to have a PhD in nutrition to decipher one of those labels. Right. They make it so hard for you. Make it really hard. So I think, you know, in other countries, they have better front of package labeling, which is either red, this is going to kill you, yellow, eat with caution, green, you can eat as much as you want of it.
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Or, you know, they put warning labels in South America. They have big like octagon stop signs with
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Yeah. Basically. I mean, I don't mean in South America, if you go to the, on a plane in South America, you get your snacks. It's like, you can't eat them because they're all like three different giant stop signs on them with basically warning labels.
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I mean, on a can of soda, which is a diet soda, they put in warning labels that says this is going to harm your kid and this can cause neurologic issues and don't drink it. Don't feed it to them.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, they'll trade it with the other kid for the junk food.
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No, you don't eat a salad, but they're, you know, It should be real food. And there's lots of yummy things that kids can eat that they like that aren't bad for them. And what we need to do is stop putting Lunchables and Go-Gurts and all these sort of industrially designed foods that aren't technically food.
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Right.
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He's talking about- Or full fat Greek yogurt. No, no.
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Yeah. I mean, people don't realize that you can get your like, you know, sweetened yogurt that's low fat that has more sugar per ounce than a soda.
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Protein and good fat.
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And if you make your home a safe zone, you teach your kids about food, you cook with them, you show them what food's about, that's what they learn.
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Now, that's not saying all causes, all diseases with people with dementia have that as their cause, but you have to personalize medicine. And where everything is going is personalized medicine. And this is just where we're headed. Leroy Hood, who was the father of systems biology, which is how everything is connected and works together as the body's a network, he called it P4 medicine. It's
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What could be in their school lunch?
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I mean, you could put... Like, I don't know. I mean, like you can make a sandwich out of healthy stuff, right? You could have, I'm just blanking now because I haven't packed my kids lunch.
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I mean, you can do that that are not, you know, deep fried in the- But you can't get sliced deli meat, right? No, sliced deli meat's not good. That's the devil. No, the bologna sandwiches with mayo and- Bread.
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I mean, you could if it's whole grain bread and you know the source of it. I think the kids need to eat real food. And the problem is that they're not eating real food. And there are great guides on how to do this. I'm like banking on school lunches because basically I- Well, an apple. An apple, fruit.
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Cheese can be fine.
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Yeah, cheese can be fine. I prefer sheep or goat cheese.
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Like real- I mean, you can put turkey, sliced turkey, roast beef. Real, real.
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No, not deli turkey because that's like kind of ground up and mixed with all kinds of stuff.
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Something like that.
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Yeah.
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Well, the defaults are the wrong choices. How do we make the defaults easy choices and the right choices?
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It is. It is. And that's the whole point of what needs to change in our policies, to change the things from the top down so that we produce food that's healthier, that we have clear labeling on foods that people know what they're getting, that we have access in a way that we don't have now to healthier options. And so those things will take time.
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And I think that's what the Trump administration is trying to do. I hope they succeed. I think there's a sort of a tension between the USDA and HHS because the USDA is basically is to support farmers and not necessarily support the health of Americans.
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And they essentially are creating all the diseases inadvertently that Health and Human Services and Medicare and Medicaid are having to take care of.
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Like the right hand is actually making the left hand jobs a lot harder.
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He's got a lot of forces right against him. I mean, there's a multi-trillion dollar industry that is basically wanting him to fail. And it's threatened. The food industry, the farming industry, the pharmaceutical industry. It's not a small thing. And I think if President Trump gets behind him and supports him, I think if...
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It's preventive, it's predictive. So you can identify biomarkers or things along the continuum of disease, not wait till you get something. Say, well, you know, I have this problem and I don't feel good or my testosterone, well, you don't really quite have a disease yet. So come back when you really have a disease, then I'll give you a drug. It's not how we should be doing it.
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he's able to get clear on what his objectives are, if he's able to sort of get on the low hanging fruit and have the easy wins, I think they'll win. So for example, getting all the additives and chemicals out of food is starting to happen. Now there's 30 plus bills around the country in different states. Some of them, 10 of them I think are Democrat led, most of the rest are Republican led.
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And they're, for example, to get rid of the chemicals in dyes and food or to have SNAP waivers to get rid of soda and SNAP. These things are happening. They're getting nutrition education like in Texas for doctors or stop punishing kids by restricting recess and gym if they need it. Yeah.
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There's things happening that are sort of the Maha movement has sort of catalyzed this groundswell that I'm sort of shocked. I mean, I never thought. It's awesome.
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And the government's been sort of in collusion a little bit. Yeah. That's the problem.
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Walmart is so hard to get. Walmart is the biggest organic grocer in the country. It is. It is the biggest organic.
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There are Walmarts near most of the underserved populations. So, I mean, I shopped at Walmart and during COVID, I was helping different people who couldn't get food. I would go get food. I was like, wow, I can fill up in a giant grocery cart full of real food.
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For 500 bucks.
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Like a giant Walmart cart, not like a regular grocery cart. Yeah. Not grass-fed, but just like real food. Okay. You know, meat, vegetables, you know.
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In the hierarchy of things, I think it's less important. I mean, it's more important to have regenerative agriculture to rebuild our soil and to sort of rebuild farms. In terms of your health, I think the kind of trade-off between eating real food and eating processed food, I would skip the organic and I would skip the
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I mean, this is my selling heresy, but in terms of like having a choice, if you can afford it, I would always choose the- Their relative sense. Yeah, the real food versus the processed food.
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So it should be predictive.
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Oh, it's not. I mean, it's really not. I mean, it's sort of insidious. I mean, with Dr. Oz, they did this. New York Times published a piece on him years ago, taking him down because this group called the American Council on Science and Health wrote a letter to Columbia to take him off the faculty because he was a quack.
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And there was sort of eight or nine doctors on the letterhead that was from the American Council on Science and Health. When you look at who that group is, they're funded by the pesticide industry, by the big food manufacturers, by big pharma, by tobacco. And they basically say that pesticides, cigarettes, and trans fats are fine. We shouldn't worry about them. I remember this.
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And they come after me.
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I mean, maybe. That was their in. Maybe, but he also was challenging things about the food system.
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And when you look at who that group was, like one of the guys spent years in jail for Medicare fraud. Oh, my God. And I was sort of shocked that the New York Times is an investigative journalist group. outlet I thought, and it wasn't.
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I mean, it took me like 10 minutes to figure out who these people were by Googling them and what their backgrounds were and why they had this opinion and what this group was about. And there's so many of these front groups out there that seem noble and high-minded. The American Council on Science and Health, who would not believe what they have to say, right?
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Yeah, 100%.
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All of them, everything, whether it's American Diabetes Association, American Heart Association, American Academy of Pediatrics, some of them are doing good things. But on the other hand, they're also funded in large part by pharma and food industry.
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It's one of those things, Megan, that I do not understand. In medicine and science, the whole point is to question your assumptions. And science is based on assumptions. Hypotheses that challenge given assumptions. So it's really about the questions. When you start to ask questions about vaccines, you're all of a sudden a heretic and you're excommunicated.
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Yeah, you're excommunicated as a scientist, as a doctor. When I was at Cleveland Clinic, I had written an article years before I joined about a kid who had autism that I treated. And in the history, I said, this is the history and this is the kid had, you know, born by C-section or took antibiotics or had gut issues or had this. And, you know, the mother said, and she was actually a VP at Pfizer,
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said, you know, by the way, you know, my kid had this MMR vaccine. And after that, he seemed to get regressive autism. And I'm not saying it was a cause. I'm just saying I wrote about it as part of the medical history. And then even at the, at the beginning of the article, I wrote a disclaimer. I said, I'm not saying vaccines cause autism. I'm just saying like, this is part of the story.
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And the, this kind of got up through the drinks at Cleveland clinic and the pediatric department said, you have to write a letter stating that you are a hundred percent in support of vaccines or you're basically fired. Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That's anecdotal, but I think it's something we should study.
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That's right. So function health is, you know, look, I'm one doctor and it's going to take a generation to change medicine or two maybe. So how do we leapfrog over that? We need to have business innovation. And that's where we created function health, which is a health platform that's personalized, allows you to understand your own biology, be proactive, be the CEO of your own health.
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And we're learning so much about what's going on underneath the hood for the population that never had been done before. We now have over, I think, 180,000 members. have over 20 million data points on these people.
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Yes, 100% true. I think the why is a question. My view is that it's related to the change in our microbiome from our diet and from the increased load of environmental toxins. And that's probably driving most of it.
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We can see trends like the severe metabolic crisis we're having in America with high levels of insulin and blood sugar and A1C and also their lipids, which we do in a very deep way to look at their cardiovascular risk that traditional doctors don't do less than 1% of all tests are for this special new advanced lipid profile.
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Well, they can be good, they can be bad. So she had an overgrowth of bacteria called SIBO, which is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. And she also had SIFO, which is small intestinal fungal overgrowth. So sometimes you need to get rid of the bad guys. Like if you have a parasite, you need an anti-parasitic medication.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, worms for weight loss. Yeah, exactly. It's our new company, Worms for Weight Loss.
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Everybody would get them.
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true. But you know, antibiotics have a role in medicine, but we, you know, we way overuse them. I mean, there's 29 million pounds of antibiotics to use an animal feed to prevent infection from overcrowding. There's about a couple of million that are used for humans for therapy. So that's crazy. Antibiotic resistance, it kills 700,000 people a year.
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It's kind of a big issue and it's a big, big problem. But you know, for certain indications, for example, like bowel overgrowth, there's specific antibiotics that are not absorbed that can be taken that are generally well tolerated. And then you have to then rebuild the gut after.
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It's not that hard. If you take probiotics, if you eat healthy diet, if you feed your microbiome phytochemicals and fiber, it can come back.
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I mean, it can be good to change the pH of your stomach, but I'm not a big subscriber to that.
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Yeah.
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If it's not industrial yogurt, yes.
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What do you mean? I mean like factory-farmed cows that are pumpable antibiotics, hormones, and it gets into the milk.
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Well, you can buy organic.
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Yeah, ultra-processed. I mean, if you could get a message out that's simple, it's like... If it's a food that you can't recognize or make in your kitchen with the ingredients that you have in your kitchen, you probably shouldn't eat it. If you don't have butylated hydroxy toluene that you put on your vegetables or you sprinkle on your steak, don't buy food with it.
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And less than 1% of all doctors measure insulin, which is the most important test you want to know if you're going to live a long time and be healthy. It's the underlying- That's the prediabetes thing. Yeah, prediabetes. But it's not just prediabetes. It causes heart attacks, strokes, cancer, dementia. These are all diseases of insulin resistance when your body doesn't like sugar and it keeps-
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I think we need a fridge biopsy for most people and a pantry biopsy, and we need to get rid of the stuff that's harmful. And I think that's the thing that most people can do. They can look at their kitchen, go through everything. And I've written a lot about this in my books, but how do you actually have a healthy pantry? How do you get rid of those things that are harmful?
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And if you go through there and look at the ingredients, if it's stuff you don't recognize, get rid of it. If you can't pronounce it, if it's in Latin, Don't eat it. It has weird ingredients like maltodextrin. You or your kids. Or your kids, yeah, exactly.
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No, probably not.
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blocking the effects of insulin. You need more and more insulin and then insulin causes storage of belly fat. It causes inflammation. It makes you hungry. It just creates this whole cascade. And so we're seeing all these amazing things that people didn't know they have. Like inflammation is a big driver of disease. 46% of our population has inflammation.
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33% have an autoimmune biomarker, which is sort of amazing to uncover because I don't know what it's causing. Is it our load of environmental toxins? Is it our leaky gut? Is it the COVID, post-COVID phenomenon. Well, the vaccine and even just COVID has led to this long COVID phenomenon, which is often driving autoimmune disease. And we're also seeing nutritional deficiencies.
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Over 70% of our population has deficiencies in nutrients at the minimum level to prevent a deficiency disease. So how much vitamin C do you not take? You get scurvy, very little.
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Yeah, it's scary.
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Yeah, people are overfed and undernourished. So we see this double burden of obesity and malnutrition at the same time, especially in kids who are eating junk food. We're seeing zinc deficiencies, folate deficiencies, iron deficiencies, deficiencies in vitamin D. These are omega-3 deficiencies. These are rampant in our population.
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And what people don't realize is that these nutrients are the basic lubricants that oil the wheels of your metabolic machinery. So every chemical reaction in your body, and there's 37 billion trillion every second, has to be facilitated by a helper, which is usually a vitamin or mineral. And we're deficient. And it's because we're eating 60% of our diet is ultra-processed food.
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It's 67% of kids' diet. For every 10% of your diet that's ultra-processed food, your risk of death goes up by 14%. So you do the math. I'm not good at math, but it's a lot. A lot of increase in mortality.
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Fish, yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's like salmon. But not just any salmon.
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I love those. I'm Jewish. I like all that stuff.
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Have you been to Russ and Daughters in New York?
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100% every day.
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Yeah, the bones. The bones are great because sardines are one of the superfoods out there. You just threw up my mouth. No, come on. It's a superfood. You've got an incredible amount of protein. You've got calcium from the bones, which is highly absorbable.
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A little bit. You've got a rich source of omega-3s that are great for your brain health and many other things. And you've got choline, which is also critically important for your brain. So it's an incredible food.
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Yeah, you can say sardine supplements for sure.
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Yeah, you need a reputable source.
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Yeah, most of them don't have that, but they filter it, they purify it, and you can look at the before and after testing and see if it's got- Okay, that's good to hear.
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Yeah, that's absolutely true. I mean, you know, when you look at what happened from when I was born in 1959, it was a long time ago, about 50 years. Not that long. To now, the change in our chronic disease epidemic is staggering. The change in autism rates have gone from one in 10,000 to one in 30-something kids, depending on where you look at the data.
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The rate of neurodevelopmental issues is now affecting one in six children. We have rising rates of autoimmune disease and allergies in kids. We're seeing obviously obesity in kids, which you never saw before. I mean, when I was in medical school, there was no type two or type one diabetes. It was juvenile onset or adult onset. Then kids started getting it.
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Now 30 plus percent of teenagers have prediabetes or type two diabetes. It's staggering. And so the question is, why? Why has this happened? What's changed in our culture and our environment and in the food? Well, we've industrialized our food system. We've made convenience king. The food industry has basically taken over.
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And when I say food, I mean the food and ag industry have taken over our society in ways that are pervasive and actually measurable. They fund academic centers to do research. They fund 12 times as much, quote, nutrition research as the federal government does. They fund academic associations like the American Heart Association, which gets $192 million from the food and the pharma industry.
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Great to see you, Megan. Thank you.
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Well, every troubled nomination is troubled in its own way. Right. And his is especially unusual because there's critics on the left. There's critics on the right. His cousin, Caroline Kennedy, just put out a long letter accusing him of all sorts of things, including some allegations that are at least new to me.
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I think that, you know, what you found is what I found when I talked to him, what people who've let him speak for himself have found, which is he has a lot of interesting ideas with huge resonance amongst the American people. Just just what he wants to do on health. We find on two way I find in talking to people around the country has incredible resonance. And so I think.
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There aren't 50 votes for him, but there aren't 50 votes against him. And I think his nomination will hinge on, I think, what Pete Hexet's nomination hung on. How does he do in the hearing? Does he come across in the hearing as a unique visionary who wants to make America healthy again? Or has he come across as a kook whose issue positions have something to offend everyone?
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I think if he comes in and testifies well, he'll make it. And I think if he doesn't, he won't.
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So first of all, he's led a very colorful life. That's the euphemism of 2025 so far. I think he makes Pete Hegseth look like Orrin Hatch. I mean, just on the personal side, it's kind of epic.
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And no president, I'll say, you know, people always say in modern history or in my memory, I'm willing to say no president would have nominated someone with Bobby Kennedy's personal past in the history of the republic except Donald Trump.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
And Donald Trump has, as you know, warmly embraced MAHA and some of these issues, not just as good politics, but I think it's something that's really gotten to President Trump and the people around him. So on the issue of substance, on personal stuff, disqualifying under normal circumstances. Again, if he can focus on health, I think he can do well.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
I think it's the policy positions that are gonna be equally problematic. As Dan suggested, there's some Democrats who won't vote for him on policy grants. There's some Republicans who might not vote for him on policy grants. It's very difficult to be confirmed winning votes from both parties that add up to your margin of victory. It just doesn't happen very much in our polarized times.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
So if Dan's right and he does need Democrat votes to be confirmed, it's gonna be dicey. I'll say again, if he can emphasize the issues that tens of millions of people find attractive, that he espouses, as much as anyone, I'll say this again in hyperbolic terms, more than anyone in American history, He has shed a light on these issues about which many people, including parents, are so passionate.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
But he's got to make the confirmation about that rather than some of the other issues that are big strikes against him.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
Well, first of all, I hope that's not the same blender they're using to make smoothies. That would just be my preference on that. Tastes like chicken. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Little protein. Rather than the vanilla whey protein, let's go with just a wing. Nothing in her letter about making Twizzlers safe again. She's not a big fan.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
Look, the Kennedys have always been an incredible story for the public and for journalists. The war between his cousins and his siblings and him is a very compelling story. But I'll be super curious to see it. Like his opening statement, I could write it in my head, right? What will drive this, as you suggested before with the Hegseth hearing, what are the Democrats gonna ask him about?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
What are the Republicans gonna ask him about? I mean, do they really wanna say, Mr. Kennedy, did you put rats and mice in blenders? I don't know. Maybe they do. But to me, the bigger thing is, can he turn the hearing into a discussion of the issues that have struck a chord? Not just not just saying kids should be healthier, but analyzing what is it about corporate power?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
What is it about big ag power that has brought us to where we are? If he can focus on that again, I think on the merits, he can be confirmed. But I'd be super curious to see what the senators ask, because On policy and personal, there's a buffet as big as you could find anywhere in Hong Kong.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
It is. It's part of why President Trump picked her. He also, like with Bobby Kennedy, very supportive of someone who switched out of the Democratic Party to back him. I think for her, as I said before, performance will be key, particularly on some of these big questions like Syria.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
You think back to the Hegseth hearing, what helped him as much as anything else besides his performance was the chairman was in his court and the chairman ran the hearing with an eye towards what's our strategy for getting him confirmed.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
Part of why Bobby Kennedy, I think, has a problem is the chairman in his case is Senator Cassidy with a history of going against Donald Trump and clearly from his public statements, not enthusiastic. What I think Tulsi Gabbard has going for her is Tom Cotton, although I was surprised at how lukewarm he was this weekend.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
If he goes all in with her as he runs the hearing, she's being introduced by Richard Burr, the former head of the committee, the former top Republican, the retired senator from North Carolina. If the national security establishment of the party can say, yes, she's going to shake things up. Yes, she's going to root out the problems of the deep state. But you can trust her.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
to do this job to keep America safe, then I think she's got a much better chance. It has to be not she's just going to shake things up. That's that's half of it. But the other half is she'll keep us safe. Marco Rubio will say that as the new secretary of state. Tom Cotton, as again, has been supportive.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
But this weekend on a Sunday show was to me to my ear as a student of Tom Cotton was not as supportive as he might be. I'll be super curious to see how he runs this hearing.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
Well, it's not unprecedented to be voted down in committee but still get a floor vote. And I could see that happening in this case. One of the things about her, and Megan, you know this because you know her, she's very winning personally. She comes across as a very nice person and someone you'd want to vote for just in the abstract. But she's been silent, right?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
She has some people helping her now who helped Pete Hegseth on his confirmation. But they have not at this, you know, on the eve of the hearing, they've not switched her to... publicly making the case for herself. She's following the norm.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
Well, exactly like Pete did with you and not with you and some of the other public statements he made. I'd have no doubt that that's what turned it around for him by explaining in his own voice and his mom explaining her own voice as opposed to the old letter email, what he was about, why he should get the job. So her willingness to fight the deep state
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
Her willingness to be a different kind of person in this job is a plus for people. I don't think that I don't think the vote will end up being private. I think in the age in which we live, that seems impossible. But I could imagine but I could imagine her losing Susan Collins in the committee, but still getting to be voted on on the floor. If all the other Republicans there vote for her.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
It has great bumper sticker appeal. As you know, when you start to run the numbers, you know, they're winners and losers. And so people have advocated for that, have to deal with the fact that it's not an easy sell. And amending the Constitution about anything is basically a nonstarter because of the polarized nature of our politics. Donald Trump will float anything and see what people think.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
And this has been an issue like term limits that has really been something exciting to a lot of the center right in this country for a long time. And I'm actually surprised he didn't talk about it more when he ran in 2016. I thought it was a ripe topic then and he didn't. So we'll see.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
He may talk about it obsessively and it may be literally the last time he ever talks about it again because that is the nature of Donald J. Trump.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
Yeah, yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
No, I mean, there's a niche audience for that line of discussion. I won't say reasoning. It's not as big a niche as it was, although their numbers are up a little bit. It's interesting. On the Republican side, on the MAGA side, people like her, people who create content, people who have shows, they're interacting with the officials, and they're being really tactical and strategic to say,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
What are we for that's popular and how do we sell that to the public? The Democratic Party, which remains as far left as it's been in our lifetimes, isn't doing that. They're just out there selling what they've been selling to their audience, not trying to think what's wrong with what we're selling. Why isn't it more appealing to a broader group?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
And her revenue model is apparently wedded to that line as opposed to trying to think in new.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
I have a very high tolerance for crocodile tears because I've watched them shed by both parties throughout my career. But I thought back at after this this made up controversy over Elon Musk's exuberant physical action, which you can find pictures of many Democrats doing. to the controversy over the joke told about Puerto Rico at the Madison Square Garden rally.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
And for five days, for five days, the Democrats told us in the media that this was going to cost Donald Trump the election. And it's hard to imagine. I can't look into the soul of others. It's hard to imagine that there was really any Democrat actually outraged by the joke.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
These are crocodile tears and they're dangerous for a party trying to rebuild itself because if they think that the way to identify with the real lives of real people is to accuse Elon Musk of being kind of the Maxwell Smart of Nazis, like so bumbling that he's doing a version of their salute in front of people. I just find it really unfortunate.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
And again, it's testament to, as Dan said, their reflexes are to criticize Donald Trump and everyone around him in personal terms. There are things to criticize, but to make up an accusation like this It's very strange and unfortunate. It just undermines your credibility. But it's hard for the courts.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
Well, the real estate in the West Wing is pretty rare, right? And there's logical arguments to keep all of Doge across the street. For people who don't know the geography, it's not like he's in Siberia. You walk across West Executive Avenue, and you're right there, steps away from the Oval.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
I don't know that this will make that big a difference in how often he's with Donald Trump and what his influence is. And I don't know for a fact that Susie Wiles did this simply for the rational allotment of office space or she's trying to keep them apart. But Susie Wiles understands Donald Trump pretty well.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
And my guess is that if Donald Trump wants to be with Elon Musk in person and face to face, that not only would Susie Wiles not try to do it, to try to stop it, I think she'd know she couldn't.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
Well, the partnership was always a little bit odd to begin with, right? Two really strong-willed guys, two guys used to being kind of in charge, who knew each other some, but not like best friends, put in charge of a complicated program, high visibility program. So just the way it was set up originally seemed like it was a recipe for disaster.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
And then there were some high-profile things, particularly over the skilled worker visas, where I think it was less the cause of the breakup, but gave the Musk side the capacity to say, this isn't going to work out. He does have a very soft landing. He can go for a run to be governor of Ohio, probably with Donald Trump's endorsements. And since he wants to be president,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
He's a lot better off doing that than where he was. So I think in the end, everybody gets what they want. It's a little bit embarrassing for him. And Megan, I will endorse your high human intelligence reading the room on that guy's face. No need for a lie detector strapped to his forehead. You can just watch and listen.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
Thank you, Megan. Thank you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Bizarre Group Chat Details, Media Compares Trump to Nixon, and MK Media Launch, with Walter Kirn and Matt Taibbi | Ep. 1034
So then if there was no classified material, share it with the committee. This is strangely familiar, and I think my colleagues remember. When you couldn't answer the question, is Edward Snowden a traitor? And I have serious doubts about your anyway.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Bizarre Group Chat Details, Media Compares Trump to Nixon, and MK Media Launch, with Walter Kirn and Matt Taibbi | Ep. 1034
Thank you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Bizarre Group Chat Details, Media Compares Trump to Nixon, and MK Media Launch, with Walter Kirn and Matt Taibbi | Ep. 1034
Director Gabbard, did you participate in a group chat with Secretary of Defense and other Trump senior officials discussing the Yemen war plans? Senator, I don't want to get into it. If it's not classified, share the text now. So you were the John Ratcliffe on that chat?
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
First of all, I agree with Sean about the ABC case. And I think there are now probably five votes on the court to change the Sullivan standard. And Donald Trump may bring a case that gets the court that does that. But I think it's overly litigious to do what he did yesterday. Ann Seltzer is my friend. She used to be my polling partner. And she's been one of the most accurate pollsters in America.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
It's true that she's stepping back from doing political polling, but she announced that yesterday. Megan, before this poll came out. And she's not retiring. And to say, I don't think it's right to say she's been humiliated. I think people have tried to humiliate her. But every pollster I've ever worked with, every pollster whose work is respected, sometimes polls are wrong.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
In fact, statistically, one in 20 are wrong. To suggest election interference.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
I just think that to judge one person by one poll, there's no evidence that a poll like that, quote unquote, influences the election. But I think what's important is that President Trump be judicious in choosing who to go after. This case, I don't think, I don't agree with you. I think it'll be thrown out on the paper.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
And I think it cheapens the victory he has over ABC, who settled, we don't know exactly why. But he should focus on the cases where not only he feels personally aggrieved, but where there's a chance of not only, and not only cases where he has a chance of winning, but in cases where there's an important principle at stake.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
That's, I think, the best use of his time and his lawyer's time and his money.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
Well, in addition, as you also pointed out, it's not Bobby Kennedy. It's. his lawyer, one of his many lawyers. I find that they're so interesting in the media now, what I call the dominant media. Some of the coverage is reminiscent of the way Donald Trump's been covered for seven years, you know, tendentiously hostile. Some of it's actually as favorable as anything he's ever gotten.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
I think the fate of the nominees, including Bobby Kennedy, including Pete Hegseth and Tulsi Gabbard, will be on how well they do when January hearings come.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
it'll also be on uh whether there's any new revelations about them but i think for for team trump these kinds of stories are actually beneficial because in the end they are debunked and once again even though the press is being nice some of the time to trump nicer the They're able to use that to say, look how unfair this is.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
Nothing rallies MAGA and many of the Republican senators more around the Trump nominees than attacks from the media that they consider to be unfair. So I would say that round of stories probably helped Bobby Kennedy because now the focus isn't is Bobby Kennedy right on abortion or is he right on this or that? It's he's under siege from the media. We got to support him.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
Megan, can I say one other thing about- One other thing about Bobby about Bobby Kennedy, we've heard for months, including today on the morning meeting from parents, lots of moms who really believe in make America healthy again. And they're so they're so passionate about it. And and they understand not everything you hear about Bobby Kennedy is true.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
And there may be things they don't like about it. But of all the people Donald Trump is trying to bring into the government. even more than Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy from the outside. Bobby Kennedy has the potential to revolutionize America with that agenda for drugs and food and the health of our children, wellness. All these things are huge problems in America.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
They unite Sanders supporters and Trump supporters, suburban parents, I mean, urban parents. These are massive issues. And just already, just from talking about them during the transition and the campaign,
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
Bobby Kennedy, I would argue, has done more to elevate these issues than anyone ever has, including Michelle Obama, who talked about some of them, but not in the fundamental way of going after corporate interests. And so I'll be curious to see if he pursues it. But that's what I think could win him some Democratic votes, because they're such fundamental issues for their constituents.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
The Democrats, it's kind of incredible when you look at the traction that's gotten and how obvious it is. Politics is about emotion, how emotional an issue this is. It's incredible the Democrats didn't take the lead on this. Incredible.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
That's about as accurate as being an Indian. The man wants rotting teeth and polio. Who can blame him?
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
Okay. But that's AI, right? That's not real Elizabeth Warren.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
So I think you gotta say, as you follow the narrative of the Hegseth nomination, that he and his team, including JD Vance, have done a textbook job, should be studied in political science courses of putting the nomination back on track because it was basically going into a ditch and not coming out.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
He's now done what they needed to do, which is to get all the Republican senators to say, we're not coming out against him until January, if at all. We want to see a hearing. We want to give him a chance to defend himself. All the charges against him of seriousness, almost all of them, I should say, are anonymous. And I think senators recoil at that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
And you've heard some of the senators, including Johnny Ernst of Iowa, make reference to that. If the allegations become not anonymous, but someone testifies, and if questions about whether he's ready to run the building and sit in the sitting room, if those are put in sharp relief, I think there are some Republicans who might vote negatively towards him.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
The Hegseth nomination was driven, and the questions about him were driven by Democrats and what I call the iron triangle of Democrats, senators, the congressional staff, and the outside groups, along with their media allies. That isn't the case here. These doubts are amongst Republicans. Democrats have their debts too, but they're meaningless because they're not going to vote for him.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
I think if there's no new revelations and he performs well, whether this person testifies or not, I don't think we'll stop him from being confirmed. But he has to perform well, and there have to be no new revelations. And I will tell you that even some of his allies are braced for more revelations.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
So I think you may see you may see. You may see a different witness or witnesses rather than that particular woman.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
Well, I didn't say another woman, although I didn't say not another woman. Look, I think there's been, understandably, a lot of focus on the case that involved a serious accusation and a confidentiality agreement.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
But there are other aspects of his past, including some things not having to do with drinking or alleged sex, but having to do with management, where there are some people who I believe have been anonymous, but who may choose to do television interviews and or come before the committee.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
And I think, although they've been the subject of a lot of criticism and scrutiny from MAGA, these Republican senators who have concerns about him have concerns that range across the board. It doesn't mean they won't vote to confirm it, but I think you're gonna see in some cases that people are willing to testify, not anonymously,
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
I think you're very likely to see some Republican senators say, yes, they should testify and he should have a chance to respond. I think they'll continue to be a high level of focus on this one accuser, this one situation. But there are others lurking in the background, including some that I believe have not been reported yet, but that may surface before the hearings.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
Should senators who oppose your nominees, your cabinet nominees, should they be primaried?
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
Megan, every syllable calculated to drive you insane.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
If it were scripted, say, how do we annoy Megan? That's exactly what she would say.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
I don't like to never say never, but I find it hard to believe that she could build support. It's so disappointing to see our colleagues, just as they did during the four years of the Biden administration, failing to cover the truth right before our eyes. Is her poor performance the only reason she didn't win? No. But it's right up there. It's right up there. And no one drafted her to run.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
She chose to be the nominee. And she owned a calendar when she chose to be a nominee. She knew there were only 107 days and she knew what her limits were as a candidate. So I think I think both Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have escaped a lot of the blame that falls to them. And that's not just my view, but the view of a lot of Democrats, donors and members of Congress, etc.,
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
I think her chances of being governor of California are greater than being the Democratic nominee. But I don't think they're as great as people say, because again, her challenge is her weakness. She does not like to make difficult choices under pressure. And that is the job description for running for governor of California, being governor of California, running for president, being president.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
So I think she might try, but I think she'd be surprised at how tough it is. And finally, I would say, I'm not sure she wants to be governor of California. It's not a great job right now. And so why she'd run and risk losing. And then if she did win, get the job, I'm not really sure.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
I agree. Look, your show and our show and some of the other new media are different than the old media in two important ways besides not being liberally biased. One is that they're authentic. They're real conversations. It's not posturing. It's not some focus group tested thing. People say what they actually think, and that's what Donald Trump does.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
And that is in some ways the last thing Kamala Harris is capable of doing on the public stage. And the last way they're different is it's a relentless search for the truth. It's not about entertainment, although it can be entertaining. It's not about coverup. It's about honesty, whether it's journalism or just the kind of conversations that some podcasters do that Donald Trump went on.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
I continue to be amazed at her schedule, the number of days she took off during the campaign. I don't know exactly what she was doing, but clearly she was doing debate prep, convention prep, et cetera. But after they cleared the convention, I don't know. I don't know what she was doing. Hard work and joy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
But my point is, Barack Obama, one of the reasons I touted him back in the olden days was I said, he can go on Meet the Press, Monday Night Football, and the Oscars. And the staff doesn't have to worry that when he walks out there, something wrong is going to happen.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
She couldn't do any of those, let alone these new formats where Donald Trump was happy to slide in and talk to anybody, talk to comedians, talk to younger people. I'm sure he didn't prep very much, if at all, because he's comfortable and authentic and he's fine with some challenging questions. That's just her weakness. She just doesn't like to be challenged and put in unpredictable situations.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
Well, look, I think sometimes two news stories conflate. I think it's possible that one of those drones kidnapped Donald Trump and replaced him with a cuddly grandpa, a cuddly conciliatory grandpa. And the aliens don't think we'll figure it out. But we're on to him. Look. Go back to what Sean said.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
I was born ready, Sean. Let's do it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
Sometimes he's reminded of the host name.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
2016.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
You don't have to be super MAGA, just an objective journalist or observer, to recognize just the nightmare that Donald Trump entered the office with. Because the dominant media created an environment that created for tens of millions of Americans reality, their reality, that he was an illegitimate president.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
And then to be investigated perpetually for the entire eight years, to be voted out of office, and then to say to the voters, Here's what I'm about. Same guy. Here's my agenda. Put me back in. After Democrats said after January 6th, et cetera, he could never win another election.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
So I think he feels a sense of satisfaction, but he also has created an understanding that he gets it better this time. He understands how to be president way better. He's got an incoming second term government that's not a normal lame duck because they're not exhausted.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
And because he's had four years to write executive orders, to think about who he wants to hire and to use his vast human intelligence, which is vast. He's just a super genius at analyzing situations and people. to come in and say, I'm gonna do this job differently this time. And the overriding factor is he loves people kissing the ring or anything else they wanna kiss.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
He loves billionaires kowtowing to him. He loves knowing how to manipulate and leverage these heads of state. So this is like the ultimate mulligan. He's getting to be an incoming president again, With all this knowledge and a much different environment, the press is weaker than it's been since he came on the national stage.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
And all of these people, from Congress to the governors to the foreign leaders to the CEOs, they know that the rules are about to change and that Trump will set the rules and Trump will decide who gets to play the game. And so they're all genuflecting.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Budget Battle Escalates, DHS Launches Self-Deport App, Trudeau Officially Replaced: AM Update 3/11
The Americans want our resources, our water, our land, our country. Think about it. If they succeeded, they would destroy our way of life. And Canada never, ever will be part of America in any way, shape or form. The Canadians are always ready when someone else drops the gloves. So the Americans, they should make no mistake, in trade as in hockey, Canada will win.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Instant Action on Illegal Immigration, CNN Cuts, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 990
I don't know the young lady. Oklahoma Senator Mark Wayne Mullen said Hexeth addressed the allegation in their meeting.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Instant Action on Illegal Immigration, CNN Cuts, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 990
I actually have.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Nominee Chavez-DeRemer Grilled, RFK Unleashed, Lively-Baldoni Latest: AM Update for 2/20
This is a negotiation between two fractions of the party that is saying we're willing to work together.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Nominee Chavez-DeRemer Grilled, RFK Unleashed, Lively-Baldoni Latest: AM Update for 2/20
Lori represents someone that is uniquely positioned to bring people like Sean and I who presented Lori to President Trump and said, this is someone that we can work together with. This is a negotiation between two fractions. the party that is saying we're willing to work together.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Nominee Chavez-DeRemer Grilled, RFK Unleashed, Lively-Baldoni Latest: AM Update for 2/20
In fact, you tweeted at me one, two, three, four, five times. And let me read what the last one said. Quit the tough guy act and these Senate hearings. You know where to find me. Any place, any time, cowboy. Sir, this is a time, this is a place. You want to run your mouth. We can be two consenting adults. We can finish it here.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Nominee Chavez-DeRemer Grilled, RFK Unleashed, Lively-Baldoni Latest: AM Update for 2/20
You want to do it now?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Nominee Chavez-DeRemer Grilled, RFK Unleashed, Lively-Baldoni Latest: AM Update for 2/20
Well, stand your butt up then.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Nominee Chavez-DeRemer Grilled, RFK Unleashed, Lively-Baldoni Latest: AM Update for 2/20
Oh, hold on. Oh, stop it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Media's ICE Hoax, Vance's Masterclass on CBS, and Trump vs. Bass, with Steve Bannon and Batya Ungar-Sargon | Ep. 992
We know that the first phase will take some time. Phase one will take up to three months, maybe even longer, six months to get the toxics off. At the same time that that is occurring, we'll be coming behind you with the process of debris removal. The debris removal can take up to 18 months, supervisor. And I'm gonna stop there because I wanna make sure everybody hears that clearly.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Media's ICE Hoax, Vance's Masterclass on CBS, and Trump vs. Bass, with Steve Bannon and Batya Ungar-Sargon | Ep. 992
I know we wanna set expectations. And I said at the beginning, I'm gonna tell you what I know, what I know.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump Admin Defends Gang Deportations, TX Teen Fatally Stabbed, Zuck Moves Near Trump: AM Update 4/4
We've reached a point where it's just too many mistakes and too much censorship. The recent elections also feel like a cultural tipping point towards once again prioritizing speech. So we're going to get back to our roots and focus on reducing mistakes, simplifying our policies, and restoring free expression on our platforms.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Well, he's an interesting figure, right, because he does vote sometimes against Republican presidents, including this one. He does care about the integrity of the court, the reputation of the court.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
The statement he put out a few days ago in reaction to the president calling for impeachment of judges whose rulings he didn't like testifies to his willingness to play in the real world and not just in the rarefied earth.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
uh air of the high court i think that they're going to rule some against the president in some form and they're going to be some that are result oriented they don't they don't all rule on the merits sad to say i think in this case and in the ones uh that are comparable as you suggested as we've been mentioned deference the commander-in-chief on this stuff something where there's clearly popular will
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
You can find that. You don't need to look outside the walls of the Constitution to find that. And I agree with Sean. They'll probably vote with the president on this one. But Roberts has got to expedite these things. It doesn't make any sense for America to not expedite them. These should be on the fastest of tracks.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
They should be on a track like Bush v. Gore, not treated at all like normal cases because it's a campaign promise and it's happening now. This is not some abstract thing. It's happening now. So I wish you would expedite them. However, the court rules. I hope the president does what he said several times he'll do, which is adhere to the rulings of the court.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
On Governor Walz, I didn't understand why he was picked originally, and nothing he's done since he was picked has cleared up my confusion. On the question of these policies, your viewers understand the central role these issues played in the election. I think part of the challenge for the part of the country that still doesn't get it is the media, for the most part, still doesn't get it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
And when you ask about will a Democrat change it back? Well, if they rename Dulles Airport Steve Bannon Airport, maybe they would change that back. But most of these things I think will be very difficult to change back because the energy in this country is not with this frog boiling in the water move towards and fetishizing race and gender.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
But the energy is for people who say, thank goodness for the change and the change happening quickly. The changes in the other direction happen very slowly. But they change dramatically over time. President Trump and the cultural and social forces that are pushing back are happening quite quickly.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
And I think they're going to they're going to move as things things tend to move quickly, tend to move hard and fast. And I think it's gonna be very difficult for a Democrat, not just politically, but practically to try to put these things back.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Good to see you. Good to be here, Megan. Thank you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Well, I couldn't be more excited. Very grateful to you, Steve, and your colleagues there for inviting me to join up. And it will be fun. And I hope to be worthy of being part of the mega metropolis of your media empire. So thank you. Very excited about it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Nothing more secure. Right?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Well, in Arkansas, we have a word for it. We call it chutzpah. Look, Dan knows Hillary Clinton better than I do, but you can hear her voice in that thing. There may have been some ghostwriting help, but that's her. And she has the rare honor, along with Kamala Harris, of losing presidential elections to Donald Trump. And she will never get over it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
And I understand why you're saying she shouldn't have been the one to write it. But it's a pretty good enunciation of the view of tens of millions of people about what's going on. And the Clintons, both Clintons, they just love the National Town Square. They don't want to be away from it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
I will also say that she has, not just because she lost to Donald Trump, but because of her worldview, she has a genetic inability to stay off of the stand to criticize him. It's in her craw. She cannot help herself.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
And I'm surprised that she's been relatively low key in the first 100 days here because she is, I know from talking to her friends, she's very engaged on this in a day-to-day capacity.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
She's one of the few people in the party who's an aircraft carrier who can take the fight to Trump with clarity. And while the answer is some donors were not happy to see it, I know some were not because it was her, but because, as Dan said, they need someone to enunciate the contrast. You know, Bill Clinton could do it. You know, Barack Obama could do it. They won't.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
They won't because they're former presidents, but she will. And so she's an imperfect messenger, obviously, but go read it and take the name off of it. And you'll see a lot of stuff, as Dan said, Democrats want to hear somebody saying.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
There's certainly people in their orbit who are interested in moving the spotlight if necessary to save their friend or their boss. I don't know about between the two of them. I think... My belief is that everyone on that chain bears some of the responsibility because they should have said, whoa, this conversation shouldn't be here.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
If there's two primary mistakes involved, errors of judgment beyond the shared error of all of them, one is allowing Jeffrey Goldberg on the chain. Still don't know how it happened, but the National Security Advisor is taking the blame for that. And for many, that's the big sin. And so Waltz is taking the blame there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
But the other is the sharing of information that almost everybody I know, including Sean, because we've talked about it on two-way, doesn't believe should have been on Signal. And that falls primarily on the Secretary of Defense. So they both have primary responsibility for one of the things that went wrong.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Many people have noticed that the president has been more critical of Waltz than he has of Hegseth. And there have been some reporting that for a couple hours, a couple of days at least, there was some chance the national security adviser would go. So those guys are both ferocious competitors. They both want to stay in their jobs.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
One of them has got more personal closest to the president, which is Hegseth. But it appears they're both fine for now. And in the last day, the tensions that I've heard between their camps have tamped down appreciably as it looked like they kind of teamed up to move the thing off the table.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Sorry. Go ahead, Mark. I can't think of any state whose state Supreme Court decisions have been as impactful, not just in the state, but kind of nationally resonant as Wisconsin. And like the political culture and the states and the U.S. senators, they are actually purple, right? You can't think of very many states because there aren't very many left who have senators from different parties.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Wisconsin does. Ron Johnson, far right MAGA. Tammy Baldwin, pretty far left. And you see on that state Supreme Court, the stakes are huge. Again, Wisconsin's probably been supplanted by Pennsylvania as the battleground state, but it's still number two. And so the stakes are high in order to not just impact that particular state.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
But the symbolism is what's important to so many to say we're going head to head with all the outside money and the state ground games to see who can win a very contested seat in Wisconsin. We've seen it before with Scott Walker. We've seen it before with the U.S. Senate race. It is high stakes there because of the national resonance of the state and our political culture.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Well, Henry, common sense versus nut job. There's always in the law, there's always ambiguity, and we don't know how any of these judges or justices will rule. When you add in the overlay of politics, it becomes more complicated. I think there's two important things here. One, you've illuminated, which is super important, which is the actual facts. If those facts are true,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
you'd have to make it akin to the president striking the Houthis. No federal judge is going to say, I'm enjoining the president from striking the Houthis, because this is for most Americans, and as a practical matter, it's every bit as urgent a war, in some ways more urgent, because it's right here at home than the president trying to clear up the shipping lanes in the Middle East.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
So number one, the facts matter. And if those facts are close to true, he should be unshackled to do this. And these district court judges, I think, should show some humility about what they're interfering with and stop acting like this isn't urgent. Number two, as someone who's had federal litigation that lasted 20 years, I know full well how slow the wheels of justice grind.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
In this case, I urge every district court judge, every appellate judge, every Supreme Court justice to think about these cases and not treat them all like they're on the same conveyor belt
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
of slow molasses moving this one should get expedited and ruled on so the president can deal with not just fulfilling a campaign promise but dealing with something that's threatening the life and liberty and property of americans which is yes akin to a war