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Of the 53 Republican senators, how many of the other 52 agree with you?
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You want to be in his presence. So you'll see people fighting to get in the Oval Office. You'll see people fighting to get on the patio at Mar-a-Lago. That is the best way to influence Donald Trump, to be in his person. Over time, people rise and fall. That happens in all courts of all kings. But Donald Trump has shown in this term a fair amount of consistency. The people around him
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Do you think the president will change course in time to have an adverse effect on the economy?
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I could ask you more tariff questions, but I'm going to move on for the sake of time. Free speech, you've said quite rightly, if you're not for free speech for people you disagree with, then you're not really for free speech. What's the most egregious thing the administration has done on First Amendment issues that you'd like to point out your principal difference with them on?
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with few exceptions who have influence have stayed the same. There are some changes and we'll talk about those. As I said, being near him is important. What's also important is if you do well on television and if there's good buzz around you. Those are extremely important to Donald Trump in terms of who has influence.
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Yeah. We all learn the phrase gain of function research in the aftermath of COVID and the president signed an executive order trying to deal with it. Explain to people why it's a great concern of yours and what you think needs to be done about it.
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I talked on Two-Way with my colleague, Sean Spicer, about the factor of television. What are the ways to have Trumps here? Because Besson clearly does now. So whether you're Besson or Stephen Miller, what are the keys to getting Trumps here?
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Does the president support your bill?
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Senator, I've covered very few people during my career who can have said to lead movements based on ideas. Your dad did. You did. President Trump has and still does. I want to show you an ad from your first Senate campaign and get your reaction to the agenda that you laid out.
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Senator, what would Rand Paul today say about that young man's ambitions?
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There's no doubt about that. There's no doubt about that.
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So with Donald Trump, anybody can get through. It doesn't matter who you are. If Donald Trump wants to talk to you, no matter what kind of guardrails are put in place, he is going to get you on the phone. He's going to get you in person. He's going to hear what you think. That is different.
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Where did the MAGA movement come from?
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You have an overlap in your perspective with the MAGA and with the president, but some differences as well. Who in the administration best mirrors your philosophy, would you say?
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That is different than most people who've been president or run for president or have had senior positions in the American government that I have covered. Here also from the morning meeting, Dan Turntine talking about what he saw when he worked for the Clintons and for Nancy Pelosi.
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Last question. When it's known that you're going to disagree with the administration on a vote where it's going to be close, do they try to persuade you or do they know that if you're a no, you're a no?
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Just to clarify, in Trump 2.0, do they try to persuade you or they've given up?
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Senator Paul, grateful to you for making time. And again, you are like your colleague Bernie Sanders on the other side, eager always to stand up for principle and for your constituents and not just bend with the wind and all too rare. So grateful to you for being with us today. Our thanks to Senator Paul.
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And when we come back, two veteran Democratic strategists who I've known for years are going to tell us where the Democratic Party stands now, where it's going and where it needs to go. That's next up. Now let me tell you a story about a fella named Leo Grillo. Leo was on a road trip and he came across a Doberman. This dog was severely underweight, clearly in a lot of trouble.
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We call dogs man's best friends for a reason. You can help those who need it most right now. So please visit DeltaRescue.org today to learn more. That's DeltaRescue.org. Next up, our conversation about the Democratic Party with two, what I like to call veteran political strategists, both Democrats who worked together on the Mondale campaign. You might think of that as ancient history.
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I think of it as modern in the extreme. Steve Elmendorf and Karen Skelton both join us. They're both veteran Democrats who understand the party and watch things closely and aren't afraid to acknowledge where the party has some problems. Both of you, welcome and thank you. I try to not go overboard and say either everything's either super good or super horrible. I try to stay in an even keel.
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And Steve in particular is good at keeping me from being too positive or too negative. Haley Barber says nothing in politics is ever as good or bad as it seems. But there are a lot of signs that the party is struggling right now with a leadership vacuum, something of a message vacuuming. And I believe increasingly infrastructure disparity, asymmetrical advantage for the Republicans.
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So, Karen, you first. What's the state of the Democratic Party right now writ large across the board from interest groups to grassroots to the DNC to political leadership? How would you characterize where the party is now?
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Steve, what's your state of the party?
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I'm going to let you in on a little secret here. I'm going to tell you about the king's ear. Who's got it?
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So with Donald Trump, things are different. He wants you to be good on TV, particularly on Fox News. He wants there to be good buzz around you. He also wants you to have the support of the MAGA movement. If there's someone who wants influence with Donald Trump who MAGA doesn't like on social media, on podcasts, it makes it hard for Donald Trump to continue to listen to them.
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Who's doing stuff that you look at and say, that's good, that shows there's breath in the body? Is it Cory Booker's long Senate filibuster? Is it Governor Pritzker going to New Hampshire? Like who's doing stuff that you think on message and momentum is good?
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Who should be doing that? Is that up to every individual organization in person? Or is there some way in which someone could be convening and sharing best practices?
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Two people who have risen quite high in this administration already. Very influential. Vice President Vance and Stephen Miller, senior advisor to the president. I tell people all the time, if you think they're influential, figure out how influential you think they are, double it, and then be ready to add on more.
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You all worked for for we talked about Mondale, for the Clintons, for Gore, Gephardt, others. Back when you two were doing this full time, there was always talk about the groups, right? The democratic groups, labor and women's rights groups, environmental groups, et cetera.
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What's the status of the influence for good or for ill of the groups in your party's politics now and headed towards 28, Karen?
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Which ones did you work on that I missed?
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Steve, what do you think of the groups currently in their influence?
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There's almost no limit to what these guys are being able to do inside the government. The president talked a couple days ago about how influential Stephen Miller is in the context of being considered to be, he says, the national security advisor.
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Karen, I'm going to break my rule. I normally say only ask one-part questions, but I'm going to ask you a four-part question. Wait, I got to get my pen out to write these down. You'll be good. The matrix will fit right in your head. What will Gavin Newsom do after this office, and what should he do, and what will Kamala Harris run for next, and what should she run for next?
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go back to ancient history and anytime there's a king or a leader a ruler or a president there's a lot of palace intrigue around the question of who has the king's ear who gets to influence what the top person does and of course that's a lot about palace intrigue it's a lot about gossip but it's also about policy and what happens and donald trump the court of donald trump is an intriguing place.
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Have either of you seen focus groups lately of California Democrats about Kamala Harris?
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No. Okay. Stay tuned. There have been some ones that have been done. I don't know whether they're going to be publicized or not. But as you suggested, her image with some California Democrats is not as glowing as it might be.
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Steve, if you were advising someone who's thinking of running for president in 28, and they said, Steve, what are the three things I need to accomplish by the end of this year? What would you tell them which should be on the list?
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Karen, can you add to or annotate that list?
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Another person who's grown in influence over the course of the administration since January is the Treasury Secretary Scott Besant. He has played his politics with the president, with MAGA, extremely well. He's now seen as a very effective surrogate on TV, including a lot of appearances on Fox.
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Karen, stay with you for a second about another California question. I don't know exactly how to quantify how much Silicon Valley has shifted towards the Republicans, but some of the most prominent people in Silicon Valley have, and there's indications based on contributions that others have.
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If you could turn the clock back to the first day of the Biden administration, was there a way to head this off?
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Because why?
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I ask you both not to predict who the nominee would be, or even tell me who you think the most likely people are. But Steve, who are people who might run in 28 who you're taking seriously now?
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Yeah, which the governor, former governor of Rhode Island, would you include on the list to
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He's seen as having credibility with people like Steve Bannon, but also with people like Janet Yellen, the former Treasury Secretary under Joe Biden. This is a guy who understands the game. He spends time in Mar-a-Lago. He spends a lot of time in the Oval Office. He's good on TV, and he has the support of MAGA.
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Yeah. And so people like Raimondo you like because they're governors, they have executive experience. Are you not taking senators seriously or House members because you think it'd be a bad idea or you think the electorate and the donors are not going to gravitate towards them or vote?
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But how about senators?
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Right. Karen, who did Steve not include that you take seriously?
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All right. I'm very grateful to you both and look forward to having you both back. Grateful to Karen Skelton and Steve Elmendorf. Thank you both. Thank you all for watching. Next up on our next episode coming on Thursday is Doug Collins, the Secretary of Veterans Affairs. We'll also have another discussion about polling data and where things stand with the country and the electorate.
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It's got all the circumstances, all the traits you need to have influence with Donald Trump to be in the king's ear. But some people are saying maybe, maybe, He's doing a little bit too much. Maybe, maybe the rule for Donald Trump is going to kick in. He doesn't like people who produce bad news, but sometimes he doesn't like people who get too much attention.
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There's one other group that has the presidency ear, and they're people who are not used to being in the ear of anyone. They're used to having their own courts, their own posses around them. Those are the millionaires and billionaires who have become a key part of the Trump coalition. Now, some of these people are there on a regular basis. Some are in the presidency every so often.
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They're first amongst not equals. Elon Musk, the richest guy in the world, he definitely has the presidency and he's had it for a while. But there are a lot of other folks from Silicon Valley, including Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos, who famously attended the inauguration. people like David Sachs and others who are part of this government, formally or informally,
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are very much in the president's ear donald trump is being guided by those folks to a very large degree not just in terms of policy but in terms of attitude most of them were not trump supporters before they are converts donald trump like many kings likes converts he likes people who've come over to his side and he respects the fact that they're very rich and they've accomplished a lot they have his ear they're extremely influential and not just on specifics
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But they serve, as I understand it from talking to people around the White House, as kind of a validator. If these folks believe in Trump politically after being Democrats, if these folks are endorsing what Trump is doing, his policies must make sense.
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It's part of why he's got confidence in his tariff policy, even though a lot of these folks previously were not big on these kinds of trade positions. And Elon Musk, of course, has been critical in that area. This reminds me of what happened during the Kennedy administration.
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You had a bunch of people who were known as, according to the very famous book by David Halberstam about the Vietnam War, the best and the brightest. People make the mistake in thinking Halberstam was saying they were the best and the brightest. The title was meant ironically, that while they were very accomplished, a lot of them were from academia, while they were thought to be very smart,
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They didn't do a good job. They did not whisper in the presidency or the right things history records about Vietnam. These current best and brightest world class accomplishers in the private sector, in tech and in other fields, maybe they're right. And maybe their influence in this administration will be more successful than what Kennedy dealt with during and Johnson dealt with during Vietnam.
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But there are some people who believe that as smart as these folks are, and they're mostly men, so I'll say guys, as smart as they are, that they're not giving him the right advice, that their whispers in his ear are misguided. I talked to someone yesterday who knows many of these masters of the universe quite well. He said they really believe they know everything.
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There's been a lot of conversation about who is influential right now for this president at this time. Donald Trump is misunderstood in a lot of ways. He's a very curious guy. People, I think, sometimes caricature him as not being curious. He's extremely curious. He's extremely interested in soaking up information. And like Bill Clinton, he wants a range of options.
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You would be amazed at how little they actually know. Now, again, history is going to record what ends up happening. But these folks whispering the presidency or policy specifics and the validation, which Donald Trump believes in, that if these accomplished people, millionaires and billionaires, believe in him, he must be on the right track. So watch closely.
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We'll go forward and we'll continue to chronicle who gets to whisper in this presidency or who is part of the court of Donald John Trump and who has the right influence. Some people are saying that these millionaires and billionaires, as smart as they are, as accomplished as they are,
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may have a date with destiny, that they're going to go down in history as folks who came in and enabled some of Donald Trump's policies, particularly on tariffs and some of the other things he's done that, in the view of many, defied the Constitution, and that their validation has given him an inflated sense of how right he is about some of these policies. We shall see.
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All right, coming up next up, Rand Paul, the senator from Kentucky. We'll talk to him about where he agrees and where he disagrees with Donald Trump and his administration. And we'll also hear from two Democrats with a lot of experience in figuring out how to come back from the political dead. See you in a moment on NextUp.
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That's 1-800-958-1000 or visit TNUSA.com slash next up. Welcome back. Next up, Kentucky Senator Rand Paul. About 10 years ago, Time Magazine said he was the most interesting man in politics. He's still pretty interesting, and he's also, if not unique, pretty singular. He's someone who cares less than a lot of other senators do about personality or the press or politics.
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And he is focused on principle. It's one of the things about him that made him so interesting back then when he did run for president. And it makes him both interesting and important today. And Senator Rand Paul joins us now. Senator, thanks for coming on.
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I want to talk about a bunch of issues. One of the things you do that's principled is you support your party and the president of your party when you agree, but when you disagree, you speak out. And you do it not based on politics, as best I can tell, but based on your fidelity to the principles that has animated you since you got into elective office.
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And he stays up late like Bill Clinton, and he wants to talk to people on the phone or in person to get more information. The question of who gets to influence this president is paramount. It's of interest and Not just Washington lobbyists, members of Congress and the media, but governments around the world want to know who influences this president.
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So I want to start with tariffs, which is an area where you've disagreed both on policy and process with the White House. What's the impact so far amongst your constituents, families and businesses in Kentucky from the tariffs that have been implemented so far?
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Welcome in, everybody. Mark Halperin here, ready to tell you what's next up. I appreciate you joining with this episode. We'll talk to Kentucky Senator Rand Paul. We'll also have a conversation about what the Democratic Party can do and is doing to try to counteract Donald Trump. And, of course, grateful to you for being part of what is our third episode.
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What about, you've talked about businesses, small, medium, large. What about families? What are you hearing from constituents who aren't business owners, but are consumers?
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You said the other day that the debate about the tariff policy of the administration is, quote, fundamentally backwards and upside down. It's based on a fallacy. What's the fallacy?
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Had a crazy example this past weekend where apparently he's met in Florida with John Voight, the actor, who suggested, well, maybe there should be a tariff on foreign films. And all of a sudden now that president is exploring that as a policy, put it out on Truth Social. To influence Donald Trump most directly, regardless of who you are, you want to be proximate to him.
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What Gets Ignored By the Partisans, Plus Sen. Ted Cruz on Two Different Tariff Paths Ahead for Trump
You spoke the other day about the two tariff paths that you and the president and some other of your colleagues discussed about a path that had the tariffs be short term and effective leverage and tariffs, I'll paraphrase, that lead to international calamity. As we sit here on the 100th day of the president's administration, how are you feeling about the prospects that he's solidly on path one?
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You and I have not led exactly parallel lives since we met in the 2000 Bush campaign, but we're both focused on being dads. We both host video programs, and we both sometimes look in wonder at the Trump administration and try to figure out exactly what's going on. And the last thing is, you and I are both talking regularly to owners of large corporations.
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And that the first hundred days have illustrated not just the limits of Donald Trump and the MAGA movement, but their doom. Um, and it's a disconcerting thing for me because my role is not to pick between those two sides, but to try to understand it and to explain it and hopefully to bridge between the two sides as best I can.
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small businesses and CEOs of corporations, probably some of the same people, who are really worried about path two. Paint a picture. If your influence doesn't pervade and those of the administration agree with you, what does path two look like in Q2, Q3, Q4 this year for the American economy and the American family?
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And what people misunderstand is that's his goal. And as you said, there are plenty of people around him who share the Cruz vision of how this should go. And they hope, as you do, that he takes that path. I could talk to you about terrorist for an hour because that's the kind of guy I am. But let's move on. Let's move on to reconciliation.
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Big debate within your conference and on the House side about spending cuts. People want big cuts. They want to prove that you're a fiscally responsible party. But as you know, the number of political fights that get picked every time you cut anything or restrain the rate of growth is very big.
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What are the big spending restraints you would like to see personally, not what the conference would like to see? What are the big spending restraints you would like to see?
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And it's particularly confusing because as I said, I'm talking about, and two smart people, not dumb people, but smart people. And. What I generally find is that we're having what the country western star called trouble with the truth. That's to me a big part of the polarization, a big part of the failure to have any consensus. President's poll numbers are down, but they're not through the floor.
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But Senator, give me a couple of specific programs with dollar amounts of where you would like to see cuts. Not what's going to happen, not what the process will yield. But if they said, Senator Cruz, you decide, where would you like to see big cuts and what dollar figures?
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I know you think school choice is a civil rights issue of our time, and I agree with you on that. And I think it's incredible what you've done in Texas. And as you have said, most senators don't get involved in state legislative business, but that's an issue you feel so strongly about that you've done.
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And he continues to dominate not just the Republican Party, but Washington and the national and international conversation. Doesn't seem particularly hampered by his declined poll numbers, although Democrats say that foreshadows doom in the midterms next year.
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It's a fascinating case study in how a federal official can actually impact their own constituents through the state. I love watching your podcast career, video podcast career, and people haven't sampled the show. You should. It's fascinating. And again, I knew you when you were a Bush staffer.
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So to watch the trajectory, sure, United States Senator, whatever, successful video podcast host, that's something. Now, I watched a lot of your episodes, and I want to show you one thing, and I want to get your reaction to it. Guys, this is... This is a 101.
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20% likely. Maybe 10%.
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After 10 years.
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All right. So reacting to what guests say live, as I do right here, very difficult. But I want you to just be a little introspective here. One of the smartest people ever tells you that within 10 years, there's a decent percent chance that robots will kill us all. I thought you were a little subdued, frankly.
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All right. That was a good choice for a host. I would have jumped up screaming and maybe raced from the room. But you chose a different tag. It's kind of kind of compelling. I want to hear about work family balance for you. You know, your state's relatively far from Washington. You've chosen to add this, what for some people would be a full time job hosting, co-hosting the show.
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So talk about how you're currently balancing being a dad and a husband. with your two full-time jobs?
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When I talk about truth, a story that continues to be so emotional for both sides is the question of this man who was deported, who here illegally, to El Salvador, Abrego Garcia. We still don't know if he's a gang member, right? Now, There are some MAGA people who say to me, of course he's a gang member and evidence has been presented that case.
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One last question, because I know you got to go. You've run for president. And even before then, you were a student, as I am, of what it takes to run for president. Of all the Democrats who are discussed as potential 2028 presidential candidates, who do you see as the most formidable to win a general election?
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I appreciate that because I know you got to go. Who's the most formidable to win a general election? Who do you look at the way Democrats looked at George Bush in 98, 99 and said, if that person's their nominee, it's going to be tough to beat?
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But it's true, as people on the left will say, he's never been convicted. I don't quite understand the left's celebration of him. I don't quite understand the right's cavalier attitude towards the mistake that was made in sending him to El Salvador where he was put in a prison. The one country, his home country, that the American system had said he shouldn't be sent to.
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All right. The incandescently ambitious Gavin Newsom will be my guest on Thursday. And your podcast and his are ranked neck and neck. So maybe your appearance will push it over the top. Senator, very, very grateful to you for joining.
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to be part of the inaugural episode than Mark Caputo of Axios, Emma Jo Morris, longtime journalist, and now a senior consultant at Beckenstone. Emma Jo, what do the junior consultants at Beckenstone do?
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All right. Very grateful to you both for being part of this. And I want to start 100 days. Big deal, not big deal, meaningless, whatever. Emma Jo, what's the worst thing that's happened for Donald Trump and the country in the first 100 days? I like to start negative.
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But you're worried that it's not hawkish enough or it's too confrontational? What's your concern about it?
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But it's that not knowing the truth about whether he was a gang member. I've not had time to do a lot of original reporting on that. But from what's been reported, it's not clear. That's frustrating to me. And that's true about a lot of things having to do with the Trump agenda where there's fights. But what really bothers me more is both sides' denial of truth. Both sides' denial of truth.
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It's a thousands-year-old country. You really think in 100 days we'd get the result?
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Okay. But you're worried that it may not be salvageable, or you just think it's off track?
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Right. Mark, what would the administration say about those two critiques?
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Just to be clear, I'm not trying to make you into a spokesman. I'm just trying to get your sense of what they're what they say.
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All right. So here's how I'm thinking about the administration at 100 days. And you guys tell me what you think of this. And this is just like organization in my brain. There's the tariffs and the world economy. And then there's everything else. And the everything else bucket is very big. It has other economic issues. It's got reconciliation. It's got the border.
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It's got all the cultural stuff, education. That bucket's very big. But it seems to me that the tariffs and the state of the world economy and the U.S. economy is by itself just so big. The implications of it, the risks of it, so big. And just to be clear, the first bucket I put, Ukraine. There's a lot in the first bucket.
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But do you think I'm right, Emma Jo, to conceptualize things that way that we've got to watch the tariff thing because it's so critical, not just to the Republican political fortunes, but to the fate of the planet.
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Now, I'm going to talk about some examples of denial of obvious truth. Some for the left. blue, some for the right, red. And ironically, that will inflame many of you. People on the red side will not like me calling them out. People on the blue side won't like me calling them out. But I firmly believe we need a fidelity to the truth.
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You are more likely to get into North Korea than into the United States at this point, or maybe out of North Korea.
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A philosophical shift, Mark, with huge implications for the American economy and the world economy, right? I mean, this is a gambit of proportions. I just can't think of a parallel for it.
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This will be a program that will bring you my best reporting and analysis. Also great guests today. We have Texas Senator Ted Cruz, a round table conversation that I hope you'll find to be a little bit different than what you see on cable and elsewhere. I'm booking some of the smartest people I know today, Emma Jo Morris and Mark Caputo.
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Now, one of the big stories about which there's dispute about the facts are it currently involves the Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth. And I'm going to talk a little bit about some news I have about Pete Hegseth and his status as defense secretary.
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All right, let's play one of my favorite games. Guess the quintet, okay? There are five people in the administration who I think currently, 100 days in, are more powerful than maybe some people anticipated and whose power has grown over the hundred days. Name the five people. Emma Jo will go first.
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I'll give you a bing or a buzz, depending on if you get one of my five right, and we'll go to you two between you get all five and see who gets more. Emma Jo, name one of the five people. This is scientific. This is not my opinion. Name one of the five people whose power has grown over during the 100 days, not counting the president.
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Give me just one at a time, one at a time.
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Correct, Besant, one. Ding, ding, Mark.
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Ding, ding. You're both, you got two of the fives. Emma Jo.
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It's not a bad answer, but it's not one of my fives, so I have to give you a buzz, but I'll give it honorable mention. Mark.
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Totally wrong.
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All right. Emma Jo, you guys got three left to go. JD. Correct. Ding, ding, ding. Most influential vice president. I've said it before ever in modern time. Mark, two more to go.
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But the question of the facts of Pete Hegseth, some of the things that he's done or been accused of doing that could lead to his being forced out of the Pentagon is very frustrating to me because public debate should be about discussing the facts and what they mean and what to do about them rather than debating the facts. First, let me talk about Team Red.
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Ding, ding, ding. Correct. One more to go. Did each have two? Am I right? We do. All right. So there's one more person. One more person. Emma Jo. It's not obscure. It's not obscure. I'll give you a hint. One of the most visible people in the administration.
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Caroline Leavitt. Ding, ding, ding. Those are the big five. You gave it away. Well, of course I did, but Emma Jo didn't get it. Those are the big five. By the way, I think...
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You might be right, but I got a pretty good source that tells me you can set the egg timer. We'll see. We'll see, because he's a survivor and you never know with Trump. All right. Emma Jo went to the White House Correspondents Association dinner. Mark and I, sanity reigned. We did not.
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Emma Jo, I want to hear your impressions, but also if you can, in the context of what did the dinner say about the state of relations between the press corps and the American people and the press corps in the White House?
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It was your first time?
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Oh my God, you missed the golden age of Imus.
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It was. It actually was. But OK. All right. So your first time impressions. And again, what does it say about the state of relations?
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And saying in what way?
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You're saying based on the cocktail party chatter, your diagnosis is they're not liberal, they're insane?
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Well, what do you mean by that?
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OK, this morning on the two way platform where I am editor in chief and host with my colleagues, Sean and Dan, the morning meeting, a guy called in part of our community, Stephen Becker from Dallas, Texas. He said he was a Republican and he described being frustrated by a lot of people in his life who are very MAGA, being unwilling to engage with the truth.
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I get what you're saying, and I have a position about it, but I want to hear what Mark thinks of it.
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To be clear, none of us live in Washington.
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And having a comedian and the president there, I think is good. I would have done Cat Williams.
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Here's the thing.
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I hear you, Emma Jo, because in the context we're in, where the head of the Correspondents Association is an avowed liberal, and where the relationship between this administration and the press is based in part on the administration's hostility, but more based on the press's lack of credibility because of the bias, being self-aggrandizing and saying, we are guardians of the First Amendment.
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What we do is really important. What we do is like being in a war. Sounds ridiculous. But in a different context, if the press were in fact not biased, if the press were guardians of the public interest, I think it's fine to be a professional organization that says to educate the public and to feel good about the sacrifices they do make. We do important things and let us tell you about them.
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But in this context, I agree with you. It sounded like it might as well have been a DNC event.
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Or a cult ceremony. Yeah. Mark, they still haven't changed the seats. They still haven't seen the seats in the briefing room. Right. They threatened to do that, but they haven't done that yet. They continue to add more diverse voices in. They continue to not kick anybody out. They're just adding more people. Where are we in the relations between the press corps and the White House?
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Is it is it stasis or is there more change coming?
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So who knows? I agree. Well, it's evolving.
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Gotta go to break. Very grateful to you both. Thank you for being part of the first show. Hope you'll both come back regularly. And next up, we'll be back right after this. Very grateful to everybody who joined this program, that's Senator Cruz and Mark Caputo and Emma Jo Morrison. To you, some lessons I got from this episode.
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First of all, Senator Cruz doesn't want to be seen as an opponent of Donald Trump on tariffs, but I think he put in pretty sharp relief the reality. that there are people outside the administration and inside who do not want this to go down path two, who think it would be ruinous for the world economy, for America's consumers and businesses if the president doesn't change course.
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And the reality is there's a lot to do to stay on path one, including striking some of those bilateral deals. Second, I do expect some reaction to my reporting on Pete Hegseth. I think that his position in the administration doesn't mean he's gone. You never know with Donald Trump. But there are senior people who believe that this has to change, that it's not sustainable to keep him in the job.
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And so don't be surprised if after the next round, if there is another round of reporting, that things go in a different direction for him. And that requires some MAGA people from figuring out how to ease him out, even if they don't want to publicly cross him.
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In fact, you could see, I'm told, some people publicly very supportive of Pete Hegseth, but privately behind the scenes working to convince the president that a change has to be made at the Pentagon. And then finally also, I'll say this question of the media, of truth telling of both parties, it's a massive issue. And the first hundred days have been filled with it.
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Nearly every day, the press has opened the door to allowing there to be attacks from the administration on their credibility. I will continue to watch to see if the press comes clean. We've got another book coming out about the Biden acuity issue by Alex Thompson, who you saw earlier in the program, and Jake Tapper.
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I don't know that that book's going to do anything to make people feel comfortable that the very news organizations, and in some cases, the very reporters who are covering this administration, participated for four years in a cover-up that was not laziness, that was not a lack of curiosity. It was a specific effort to help Joe Biden try to win reelection.
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That's a level of dishonesty and a lack of accountability. I mean, you can point to lots of things Donald Trump has done. I would find it, I'd be hard pressed to find something that rivaled that for its seriousness and for its absolute lack of professional integrity. And if you don't agree with me on that judgment, you should know that half the people in this country feel very strongly about it.
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And it's almost an impossible story to believe, truly. truly. I'm grateful to you again for being part of this. On Thursday, another episode will drop. Gavin Newsom, governor of California, another guy who knows a thing or two about spending time podcasting.
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We'll talk to him about how he's governed California, the skepticism that exists not just here in the East, but in his state for how he has done. We'll look at his record there and talk to him about what he's proud of, what he wishes he might have done better over the course of nearly two terms. And of course,
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We'll talk about everything that's going on in the news with the Trump administration as we head into the second 100 days. I'm Mark Halperin here on NextUp. Very pleased to have you be part of this.
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What a great voice. Again, a member of the two way community, Stephen Becker, coming in and saying something I experience all the time. MAGA people not willing to be the least bit critical. And we're not talking about people in public where you do see Sometimes Elon Musk is critical of the president talking about private conversations at House of Worship, at a baseball game, at a workplace.
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And it's it's disconcerting because there's some things that the president and his team haven't done well. And to not have truth on that. Very troubling. Here's another thing on the red side. OK, this is about polling. This is Benny Johnson. hosting a program. And then he's talking to a Republican pollster.
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And they're basically saying all the polls that have come out in the last few days that show President Trump's numbers declining, his favorability, his job performance, his favorable ratings on things like the economy going down. They posit that this is a conspiracy, that these polls are all wrong. Here's part of their conversation.
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And as always, super interested in trying to tell you what's really going on, as I said, through my reporting and my analysis and the folks we bring to you. So grateful to you for being a part of this first episode and hope you'll join us every Tuesday and Thursday right here. 100th day is, as people like to point out, an artificial construct. But there's lots going on in this administration.
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So Here are these guys saying basically the polls are all wrong. They're in denial. Okay. Here's more denial. Okay. I read a tweet this morning from a conservative who wrote this. The media hates Trump more than it values the truth. The media hates Trump more than it values the truth. Okay.
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There's some irony there because I've just given you an example of things where Republicans are in denial about the truth. Okay. I talked about polling. There's other examples I could give you. And if you're fair-minded, you could come up with a lot of them. The president himself said these polls are fake. They're not fake.
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Doesn't mean the organizations that conducted them aren't habitually liberally biased. And that gets to where I think we have a real problem right now in trying to grapple with this question of the trouble with the truth. Because we can give lots of examples of the Democrats and the media not telling the truth.
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The biggest story that the Democrats have not been honest about is Joe Biden's mental decline. And we saw that on vivid display at the White House Correspondents' Dinner this weekend. A guy named Alex Thompson won an award as one of the few reporters who wrote anything about Biden's mental acuity decline. Even he acknowledged in his remarks that he fell short and said the media fell short.
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The problem with that is he's not being honest about what actually happened. It wasn't that the press kind of fell down on the job and wasn't aggressive enough. They actively participated with the Biden administration in covering up Biden's mental acuity decline, which was plain for all to see. They pretended it wasn't happening.
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In some cases, they allowed themselves to be intimidated by the Biden team into not writing about it. And this was no small thing. This was no small thing. It was an effort to help Joe Biden win, to keep Donald Trump from going back to the White House. And it not just put their finger and thumb and forearm and kneecap on the scale,
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But it destroyed the credibility with the press, with lots of people. And I heard from people all throughout the election season who said, I voted Democrat in the past, but I'm voting for Donald Trump because the press bias on the mental acuity thing was so pronounced.
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That lie, that lie by the press about not only Joe Biden's mental acuity decline and not just about the cover up for the Biden people, but the lie about the press's own participation is one of the biggest media stories in the country's history. And it makes it very difficult for people in the red side to say, oh, we're lying too much.
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Oh, sorry, we're not being truthful about the impact of the tariffs, or we're not being truthful about the president's poll numbers. The level of lying on the left and by the media In this one example, and I could give many, many more, it took us to where we are now. And I don't know how to get out of it, except I'd like both sides to acknowledge their own lies. That would be helpful.
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It has been historic. And of course, it started well before the president took office from Election Day through the transition. And people generally see a tipping point from a period where he was active and and was dominating the conversation and getting a lot done. People now, I think, are seeing something different. The terrorists are part of it. Signalgate's part of it.
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I'd like for people on the right to call out the president and say, you shouldn't be putting on Truth Social that the polls saying your numbers have declined are fake, because they're not. They're very, very real. Now, get to the Secretary of Defense. Pete Hegseth. OK, the story is about him. There's still some ambiguity about the facts, but people in MAGA pretend there's not a problem.
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And he's done a very good job of playing by the rules that the president expects of being aggressive. What I can report here today is that his his standing in the administration is not as solid as some people believe. And it's the president and the White House press secretary have tried to signal.
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There are people at the senior most levels of this administration, not counting the president necessarily, but the senior most levels under him who believe that the next time Pete Hegseth makes a mistake or is exposed to have made a mistake, he needs to go. And there are already plans underway to figure that out. Now, what are the public clues to that?
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Because MAGA has been pretty supportive of Pete Hegseth. Two people who are part of the very strong outside support group of the president, Tucker Carlson, And Megyn Kelly here at the Megyn Kelly Network, they've both now done interviews with the advisors who were forced out of their Pentagon jobs and who both have said things about Pete Hegseth that are not fully supportive. They like him.
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They're close to him. But they both have made it clear that they see real problems in his governance and his stewardship at the Pentagon. That's a clue. And I keep being pointed to that clue by folks to say, if two allies of the president and two people very close to Pete Hegseth, Meghan and Tucker, are doing these interviews, something is afoot.
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And so what's going on behind the scenes now is a very carefully orchestrated move to say, When can he go? How do we deal with MAGA? Having told MAGA Pete must stay, that the people coming after Pete are deep staters and the liberal media and the Democrats. How do you then move the guy out without inciting some cognitive dissonance with MAGA? You need a replacement.
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You need some sort of narrative that MAGA is comfortable with. Watch closely, three people. Watch Don Jr., watch Susie Wiles, and watch the vice president. All three close to Pete Hegseth. All three in a position, if they decide he needs to go, to make that happen. Watch it closely and watch for the truth. Watch for the truth. Don't listen to the lies of each side.
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Welcome to my debut episode. Thank you for joining. It's also the hundredth day of the Trump administration and the first day of the rest of our lives together. Grateful to you for being part of NextUp. The show will come out now on Tuesdays and Thursdays. You can watch it on YouTube or listen to it on any podcast platform you prefer.
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Now, coming up in the next segment is Texas Senator Ted Cruz, someone I've known since the 2000 Bush campaign when he was a simple, simple staffer on that campaign. I covered his presidential campaign when he ran against Donald Trump in 2016. And I had the opportunity to test his mettle. It was the game that champions play out in their dreams. Right from the kickoff, it was a bloodbath.
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You know what I say right now? Dying Ted. Dying Ted. We shall see. Oh!
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I knew the only way to beat him was to get under his skin, which meant an unrelenting amount of trash talk. This is the quietest Ted Cruz has been in years. What kind of job security do you have currently? In game one, we played our hearts out, and we were all tied up. And then...
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Call him a Princeton sledgehammer. I don't like to lose. It was a massacre. Oh, sweet. Something amazing happened. Cruz had the ball and he made a crucial error. He was clearly getting nervous. We could tell he was trying to distract us with weird jokes.
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People I talk to every day can look at this administration as has been true of almost anything connected to Donald Trump in different ways.
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It didn't work. It was quick. You doing all right, Mark? Now it was down to just one goal, and there was no room for any mistakes. Moral of the story is Ted Cruz falls behind early.
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Life is full of moments. Some of them fly by, you forget them in an instant. Others live on with you forever. All right, that was Senator Cruz then. When we come back right after this, you're going to see Senator Cruz now. My interview with Senator Cruz right after this. Let me tell you a story now about a guy named Leo Grillo. Leo was on a road trip and he came across a Doberman.
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This dog was severely underweight and clearly in a lot of trouble. Leo rescued that Doberman and he gave him a name, Delta. Well, sadly, Delta was just one of many animals that needed help, which inspired Leo to create Delta Rescue. It's the largest no-kill, care-for-life animal sanctuary in the entire world.
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And I'm lucky, fortunate, I get to talk every day, literally every day, including on the weekends, with smart people who think the Trump administration, flaws and all, is off to a fast start and is revolutionizing America and the world in really important and positive ways. And I talk to really smart people who think this is a disaster.
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Okay, so now comes the question of the president's cancer diagnosis. I'll say again, I feel horrible for the family. I watched them deal with Beau. I attended Beau's funeral and I saw how torn apart the family was, as any family would be. But to announce that the president has this late stage cancer,
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with no access, as was true during the presidency, to his doctor, no information about what led up to this. It defies belief. Two things defy belief, truly. One is that he reached this late stage without ever getting a PSA or other test to try to detect this. The president of the United States gets the best healthcare in the world. Did he get a PSA test while he was president?
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It was never in any of the reports they issued after his physicals. So one is most experts in this field say the president would have known, would have been diagnosed with this long before Friday of last week.
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I think the reason why the table needs to be set here is because I think one of the biggest mistakes, maybe the biggest through line of all for the way Bidens have been covered is the Bidens, it is regularly said, are a good family. They're decent people.
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And then second, that this happened exactly at the time when the Bidens are looking to change the subject to engender sympathy for Joe Biden with the release of the Her Audio and with the new book. What they should do for themselves and for the country and for the public health education of Americans who need more information about prostate cancer, they should make the doctor available.
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They should put out the full history of Joe Biden being tested for cancer and particularly for this kind of cancer. I don't think they will because that's not the Biden style. But we need to understand as if you're in the media or the Democratic Party or you're a citizen, what just happened and what's happening now
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Because what just happened is four to seven years, depending on how you count it, of a coverup and of a family that put their own ambition and their own belief that they were the only ones who could stop Donald Trump ahead of the reality, the reality of Bo's, of Hunter's addiction, the reality of Joe Biden's age, the reality of Joe Biden's loss of mental acuity, the reality of Biden Inc.
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They took all of that and they said, nope, we're just gonna keep going.
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And if it had not been for the political magic of Nancy Pelosi, I think he would have kept on and been the nominee of the party and devastated the Democratic Party, not just allowing Donald Trump to return to the White House, but I agree with those political analysts, including a lot who had data during the 2024 race, who said he cost them a lot and would have cost them a lot more had he stayed on the ticket.
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I will say I'm not an enemy of Joe Biden. I'm not a supporter of Donald Trump. I'm a supporter of a credible, strong, aggressive press corps that reports without fear or favor the truth about everyone in power and holds all powerful interests accountable. And what we're continuing to see this week with the relatively soft coverage and credulous coverage of the Her Audio
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of the cancer announcement and of the situation, the storylines around the cover-up. What we're seeing continues to be a Democratic Party and an establishment press corps that pretends their hands are clean that pretends that they didn't have access to the same information I had access to, and Greg Kelly had access to, to see so clearly what was happening.
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And I'm not here to tell you they're worse than the Trumps or worse than Nixon, but I'm here to tell you that the mythology that the Bidens are good people who don't lie is not borne out by the facts, and that's increasingly front and center in sharp relief this week. We know that they didn't tell the truth about Biden, Inc. We know that.
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And it wasn't just a question of Donald Trump going back to the White House. We had a commander in chief who in 2017 I looked at with sadness that he couldn't get through a book interview with a friendly interviewer. That was the commander in chief. Now, again, Joe and I will discuss this. He had good moments and bad moments.
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And I do not believe other people were making decisions in the White House. I see no evidence of that. It could be true, but I see no evidence of it. But what I do see evidence of is a press corps and a Democratic Party that believes it can somehow restore its credibility from very low levels without listening to the story that I'm telling you.
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Call 1-800-958-1000 or you can visit TNUSA.com slash next up. Next up, me and Joe Scarborough. Joe and I have had a long conversation over many years about lots of things, including about Joe Biden and about Joe Biden's connection to politics is a mental situation. Often we agree and sometimes we disagree. So with us now from undisclosed location, my friend Joe. Joe, welcome.
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We know the president in the debate in 2020 against Donald Trump did not tell the truth when asked about Hunter's business. I'm not here to sit in moral judgment of them. I'm not here again to tell you that Joe Biden is a bigger liar by some metrics than Donald Trump.
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Thank you, sir. All right. I'm going to put out some premises about where I think we agree or what we have in common. And you annotate. First of all,
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The reason why I'm so excited about this conversation and the reason why I tell people this is unlike any conversation they've heard about a topic discussed ad nauseum for nearly a decade is because I think you and I are in an unusual, if not unique, position. First of all, we both know Joe Biden pretty well, and we've known him for a long period of time.
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So we're not dealing with a two-dimensional figure when we talk about him. We're dealing with someone we've spoken to, right? Right, exactly. All right. Number two. We both believe that Joe Biden, to this day, has good days and bad days. And so the right wing caricature that says he's weak ended Bernie's not in charge of the government when he was president is not true.
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And, you know, from the State of the Union address he gave. But the left wing defense said, oh, he's perfectly fine. Also not true. And we're we're open to data on this. Correct.
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We both want to get at the truth. Neither of us has a dog in the hunt where we say, oh, no, I don't want data that conflicts with my view that Biden can't think or Biden is perfect, right?
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And most people in the media or commentators, you'd look at them and you'd say, well, that person is dug in on the Biden's fine point of view, or that person's dug in the Biden is weakened at Bernie's point of view. And I can tell everybody from the conversations that you and I've had, we're not in those camps. We're in the let's figure out what's going on school, right?
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What I am here to tell you again is this has been a horrible mistake on the part of the media to treat the Bidens like they walk on water. Four strands right now put in sharp relief. this issue. First, the release last Friday of the audio tape of Joe Biden's conversations with Special Counsel Herr regarding the issue of whether he improperly took classified material out of the White House.
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Now, I'm going to tell my story briefly and my narrative starting in 2017 through the present day. And then I want to hear yours about how you connected to this question. All right. So 2017, I've told this story before. I saw Joe Biden do a book tour event. He was the moderator was Atul Gawande, a doctor, a very friendly guy. Joe Biden speaking to a big auditorium. And it was a disaster.
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And it was exactly what we saw later. He was glassy eyed, had trouble following the conversation. I can't find video of that event anywhere on the internet. I'm a little suspicious about that. Elsewhere, though, on that tour, because I went and looked at the book tour again, 2017, he was fine. Again, good days and bad days.
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But the bad day that I saw, and it was an evening event, made me worried and say, he's never going to run for anything ever again. He's got a big problem. You didn't see anything until 2019, correct?
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Yeah, we both had direct and indirect experiences with him in 2019 that made us think, boy, it just doesn't seem like he's got the focus to do it because he has some bad days. We also both had the experience that he had plenty of good days. This is an event that got written about by a Wall Street Journal columnist. I wasn't at this event, but once it occurred, I heard from a bunch of people.
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This is Joe Biden in 2020 as a presidential candidate in South Carolina.
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So he said he's running for Senate and he said, don't vote for the other Biden. We all know that part of the defense of the pro Biden people was, oh, he's always had malapropisms. He's always speaking in a certain way. But I looked at that tape and other events in that cycle. The first time he ran. That's not it. That's not that's a different brain processing than Joe Biden.
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That audio was blocked from release by the Biden White House. They've made up reasons why they blocked it, but the reason that they blocked it was because it would have been politically devastating had it been released when he was still trying to run for president.
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You know, diarrhea of the mouth.
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Like when he said Barack Obama was clean and articulate. That's an artful. That's different. I mean, again, you and I both, public speaking, we're live all the time. We could make a mistake. But you don't look at that video and see the look in his eyes and hear him say, I'm running for Senate, vote for the other Biden. You don't see that as I did then and do now as part of the decline. Or do you?
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This is where you make me mental. That clip to me, there's a through line from that clip to the debate in 2024. He's losing it when he's having a bad night. His brain is not firing. It's not what happens when we say Mitterrand instead of coal. His brain, that's how I perceive that, okay?
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The second strand is all these questions about his mental acuity tied to the new book out today by Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson related to the degree to which Joe Biden declined and the degree to which people around Joe Biden covered it up. Now I've said before, I don't think the book actually delivers on the question of
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He talked about Nancy Pelosi and Nancy Pelosi and Nancy or whomever. It was Nikki Haley.
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That book event I went to 2017 where I turned to my wife after the event and I said, thank goodness he'll never run for anything again. And how could his family let him do this book tour? And again, to me, this is why I get so frustrated as much as we agree about this. To me, it's just obvious through line. What I saw in 2017...
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what I see in that South Carolina event, what I see when he addresses the dead congresswoman from Indiana, which we'll play in a second, I see the through line of the bad days are increasing and the bad days, you wouldn't want a CEO or a president having a bad day at a time of crisis. Let's play, you and I have thought about this a million times.
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104, Joe Biden at an event in part honoring a dead congresswoman from Indiana talks to her.
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Again, you and I have talked about this so much. I know you think I over-rely on the example, but that is not saying Mitterrand instead of coal. That is talking to a dead person whose the event was on her behalf. How can that not be like a signature signal moment where the country and the media said, there's a big problem?
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No, it's up to him, but it was asked about at the White House briefing. And the White House press secretary said the reason Joe Biden talked to a dead congresswoman was because it was top of mind for him. She was top of mind. Again, this is not a joke. And it's not about the 2024 election. It's about the commander, the commander in chief. We had no access to his doctor.
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who covered up what, they hint at it, but I don't think they fully deliver on it, but there's no doubt that they are saying belatedly, in the case of Jake Tapper, less belatedly in the case of Alex Thompson, what was obvious to all, and I'll talk about that Then we've got the diagnosis announced conveniently by the Bidens.
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People who work in politics and in media are regularly surrounded by people in their lives who they talk to on a regular basis. Joe and I talk and communicate quite a bit. And we talk about sports, we talk about music, we talk about our families, we talk about all sorts of stuff. But one topic that we've talked about now for seven or eight years is Joe Biden and the status of his mental acuity.
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And again, you want to bring up Donald Trump confusing people. It's fine. But right now we're talking about Joe Biden. I just look at that and say. Like, if that were my dad, if that were my dad in a public role and he started speaking to a dead congresswoman, I would take him for some emergency tests. I just don't understand how you look at that and have a reaction of, eh,
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2023.
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All right. Again, I'll say respectfully, to me, it's worse than a bad day in an office. It's just it's just it's just seminal. All right. Let's talk about you and your famous argument in 2024 before the debate about saying best Biden ever. This gets a lot of attention. I want to walk through it carefully. Set up a context of this.
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You mentioned in the in the in on your show in the soundbite that you'd met with Biden. But just talk a little bit more about the meeting.
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I feel horrible for the president and his family to go through another case of cancer after they lost Beau to cancer. But the question of the timing, which even Biden loyalists have said to me, doesn't make sense to say that the president was suddenly diagnosed on Friday and announced halfway through the release from the time that her tapes were released until the release of the book.
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And you're confident and you're confident if someone heard the audio of that conversation, they would come away with the same conclusion.
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So we'll talk about that. The last strand is how Democrats in the media are grappling with their role in trying to stop Donald Trump from getting elected president by covering up and refusing to report honestly on Joe Biden's decline. So we're gonna talk about all that.
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All right. So here's now what you said in the wake of that meeting. This is 105, please, on Morning Joe.
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So a lot to unpack there.
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Yeah, well, as I told you, and people may not realize, you don't pay much attention to social media anymore. You don't pay much attention to criticism. But I told you for several months, I said, Joe, Biden never has become the symbol of
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I'll talk about that with Joe, but I wanna set the table by talking again about some of my experiences and how I have thought about Joe Biden's mental decline over the course of covering him. I've known him for a long time. He was good friends with my father, colleagues with my father.
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For the right of the media and MSNBC having having so much Trump derangement syndrome that you're claiming that a guy who's clearly lost mental acuity is the best by never. Now, I'll say I say to people, go watch the State of the Union address. Talk to people who talk to Joe Biden. He had good days and bad days. You were with him on a good day and had conversations with him on a good day.
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On good days. But looking back at that, do you say, well, it was misleading to say best Biden ever without caveating and say, except on the days when he's not the best Biden ever?
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Well, you did. You did because you saw him address a dead congresswoman and you saw him in South Carolina.
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I can show you the RNC clip reels. There were plenty of days in public when he was not the best Biden ever.
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I covered his presidential campaign in 2008, spent a lot of time around him when he was a senator, and then some time around him when he was vice president, and had a pretty good relationship with his son Beau, spent some time with him. The Bidens are big liars.
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I think he had good moments and bad moments. And at his bad moments, no one would want him to be commander in chief or to make decisions. But his team was very skilled at having him make decisions during good moments. And I think he had plenty of good moments, including with you.
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But this is why I'm offering you to revise and extend your best Biden ever remarks, which right now are cited more than anything else, which is he could say, when I was with him, He was as good as he's been. He was better than other politicians. But he wasn't doing press conferences. He wasn't doing serious interviews. No.
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He had moments in public, which I could show you many of, where clearly he was having bad moments, worse than Joe Biden pre-2017. So do you want to revise and extend anything in that clip to say, when I saw him, best Biden ever, as opposed to suggesting you were impervious to all the other data suggesting
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You can deny it, you can say, oh, they're such good people, but the press has assumed for years that the Bidens were somehow different, that Joe Biden was a good man, in the words of George W. Bush. Again, you just look at the way they covered up Biden Inc., the way they dealt with the coverup of his mental decline.
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Right. All right. Hold on. I want to get to the debate in a second, but I just want to clean up two things that you mentioned that I know from you that I think people misunderstand about you regarding race.
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the white house and joe biden right the president's general one is people tell me oh joe went to mar-a-lago to see trump because he loves access he went to the white house to see biden he loves access that you you crave the access to presidents and therefore you're soft on presidents in general right what's your what's your response to that well what's your response to that you know me
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You don't need the access. You do it because it's important for your job. But but you'd be happy staying home. I know almost everyone we know craves access to presidents more than you do. Right. It's the exact opposite in my experience of what people say.
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Yeah, that's what you say. And you do.
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I'm not saying they're worse than others, but I'm saying the press has made a mistake in covering them like they're the same. I've talked here and elsewhere before about how I saw Joe Biden at a book event in 2017 on the island of Nantucket where he spoke to several hundred people with a friendly interviewer and
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Right. And I'll say, and I'll say, because we're both Beatles fans, you never have said you're bigger than Jesus, but the reality is your show, since the show has been on for many, many years, makes you in some ways bigger than the president. You don't need to say that. I can say it. The presidents want to see you. You're happy to see them because it's part of your job.
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but you are not lusting for access to any president you've ever covered. And the second thing I want to dispel is this notion that you're a Biden defender, that you're saying best Biden ever or your coverage of Biden in this presidential cycle was a manifestation of your desire to defend him. How would you address that?
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He was exactly the way he was later in his presidency, glassy-eyed, trailing off thoughts, losing the train of thought of the conversation, speaking kind of too long and off topic. And I said after that event, again, I've told you this before, thank goodness he's out of public life. Thank goodness he'll never have to run for anything again. And yet, of course, he did.
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Phil ran MSNBC. All right, let's get back to the issue of Brian's acuity. I contend that anyone who is surprised by the debate performance, anyone for whom Biden's debate performance altered their view, wasn't paying attention. What happened in the debate that caused you to alter your view?
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He ran for president twice after that. In 2021, after he got elected president, early in his administration, he gave a press conference. And during the press conference, I had an email exchange with a prominent Democrat, someone who'd served in senior positions in the Democratic Party, about what was going on in the press conference.
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What were the things the White House did to shield coverage of his decline that you would point to to say that wasn't right what they did?
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and the other person initiated the email exchange and he said, isn't it great to have a president who's so on top of it, who can speak so fluidly after Donald Trump? And there's no doubt if you watch the whole press conference in 21 in the spring, there's no doubt that Joe Biden looks much more with it than he would look just a few years later in the presidency.
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This is where you and I couldn't disagree more. If they had put him out more, he would have destroyed his reputation. Maybe it would have been good for the party because he would have been off the ticket sooner. But if he'd gone out more, it would have been a disaster. They did not let him do interviews.
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That if they put him out more, he would have screwed up?
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I base it on three things. I base it, number one, on the fact that they didn't put him out and he wanted to be out and he's the president. So if he really wanted to be out and he had a good case to be out more, he would have been.
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Number two, I spoke to many members of Congress and donors and advisors who spent time with him, who saw in private what was on offer in public too, but saw in circumstances where he was exhibiting signs of mental decline that made them understand why they didn't put him out. And there's no ambiguity. And these are vivid descriptions of it.
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And finally, when they did put him out, and make no mistake, they knew what the stakes of the debate were. They knew. And he could not rise to that occasion. You know, he couldn't and he failed cataclysmically.
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But that failure to me was not the least bit surprising because he couldn't do an interview with the New York Times or the Washington Post, first president in memory, not to do those things. He couldn't hold regular press conferences. He couldn't have events, you know, like with a rigorous schedule.
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These are things that if you look at why they did the debate, they did the debate because they needed something to turn the dynamic around. The alternative was go campaign, do five events a day, do an interview and explain yourself. He couldn't do those things because if he could have, he would have. He was not blocked by the staff. He was blocked by reality. That's how I know. Okay.
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But I wanna show you a portion of this press conference, this is 102, watch Joe Biden reading
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Well, you must have talked to donors as I did who were stunned that he showed up in their house with a teleprompter and a Park Avenue fundraiser for 15 people. and couldn't make small talk with people he'd known for 50 years.
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I mean, like the Super Bowl interview.
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Good days and bad days. Two more topics, if we can. First, what's your critique of how the New York Times, the Washington Post, etc., NBC News, covered Joe Biden's loss of mental acuity? Did they do a great job, a horrible job? What's your critique?
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And they came up largely failed.
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They did better than most. But that story was so far away from revealing the truth that it's misleading when people say, oh, the Wall Street Journal, they were heroes for getting it done. They really came up short. I mean, I wouldn't have published that story as they published it.
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You and I agree. He had good days and bad days. We, you and I agree. The critics on both sides overstated the case. And we disagree on whether the things he did in public before the debate were dispositive in saying he had too many bad days. To be able to continue. That's where we disagree. Joe, very grateful that you are best Joe ever.
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Yeah.
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Very grateful to you. Thank you for the conversation.
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Thank you, sir. All right. That's it for NextUp. Thank you for watching. Next episode, we have two great guests. Megan Kelly will be here and Tom Cotton, the gentleman from Arkansas. We will see you then on NextUp.
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And we have honest conversations about it. We're not dogmatic. We don't say it's weekend at Bernie's and Barack Obama was secretly running the government. And we don't say that everything's fine with Joe Biden. What we do is agree or disagree by following the data. And I'm super excited for you to be able to hear the kind of conversation that Joe and I have regularly.
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Now, presidents use notes, presidents use teleprompter, but unlike the person I was emailing with who was so favorably disposed towards Biden's performance, I was struck by the fact that he was reading a script on a topic that he had worked on for decades.
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And so I'm gonna read to you the parts of the email that I wrote to this person in our exchange back and forth, because it gives you into a window of how I saw Joe Biden and his presidency and his mental acuity in March of 2021. I'm reading my own email here. His mental decline is pronounced troubling and in danger of accelerating in a hurry.
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It is a tough situation for his family and the country, but his widespread attempt to deny that it exists freaks some of us out. When he has naps and long overnight sleep and notes, he can make or fake his way through meetings and interviews, which is great. It means that he is often performing well enough to be president. But even his worst moments, they're scary and cautionary.
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Can they have him rest his way through the ability to do the job for four years? Based on my anecdotal experience, they cannot.
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When someday someone reveals the extraordinary stage managing of his daily life and public schedule that Jill has done for three years, you will send me an email and express your amazement that one, I knew, two, no one leaked this, three, no one reported it, four, they let Joe run. Until then, let's hope for the best for America.
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I live in New York City and I'm a reporter and I've been a reporter for a long time, I have plenty of sources, but I'm not the only reporter who could have and should have seen this and had it inform the way they covered the Joe Biden presidency and Joe Biden. I said things like this publicly, I don't think I only was putting it in a private email, but it's extraordinary how far
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from that point of view, based on reporting, not hostility to Joe Biden, not rumors, how far that reporting, how far other people's reporting on Joe Biden was from that point of view, that informed point of view about what was happening. And what I lay out in the email is exactly what happened and is now being belatedly reported by others. Huge failure on the part of the media.
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And the tragedy of it is most reporters who covered the White House for places like the Washington Post and the New York Times knew almost everything I had in that email. Maybe not in 2021, but sitting in the White House, they saw it every day. And yet through some combination of being intimidated by the Biden aides who threatened people, who said things like that in public,
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and a desire to help Donald Trump lose the election to make sure Biden won, they didn't say these things. It did not inform their coverage. It did inform the coverage of people in conservative media who were mocked and derided as being part of some machine to destroy Joe Biden. I'm gonna give you one example. Greg Kelly, who's a friend of mine, anchor at Newsmax, Greg reported this early on.
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regularly and if you go back and watch the totality of greg's coverage we'll see occasionally a little bit over the top did he occasionally overstate the degree of joe biden's mental decline without a doubt but look at some of what greg reported over a long period of time here this is number 108.
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Normally it's not on video and audio recorded. So I'm looking forward to sharing that with you. Looking forward for you to hear the kind of conversation Joe and I have had. And it's on a topic that is very timely right now, because of course, although Donald Trump is president, Joe Biden this week again is very much in the news.
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Greg's my friend, a lot of people mocked Greg for that coverage, and he's not the only one in conservative media who did it. It shouldn't have taken conservative media, it shouldn't have been confined to conservative media to say the kind of things Greg was saying, both from someone who's an analyst or a commentator, but also from the press. Now, we all know that there was this turning point when
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The debate happened, and people said it's shocking. They were shocked by what happened in the debate. I do not understand that point of view. I do not understand how anyone who has C-SPAN could be shocked. Let me give you some examples of why the debate should not have been a revelation. Show you some stuff from the debate, and then I'm going to show you some stuff from earlier in the debate.
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So here's 106A. This is Joe Biden in debate, and I'm focusing here on the things that people commented on that shocked them. Look at Joe Biden glassy-eyed while he listens.
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put the baby down, then we decide what to do with it. So he's willing to, as we say, rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month and kill the baby. Nobody wants that to happen.
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Okay, horrible to see. If you're listening on the audio, Joe Biden, glassy-eyed, you've all seen it. Here's Joe Biden in 2023.
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Again, if you're listening to the audio only on the podcast version of this program, you're seeing Joe Biden look glassy-eyed. Same thing, same troubling look. Don't know what's causing it, but it's troubling to see that in a president of the United States. Okay, trailing off. That's another thing people saw in the debate and were troubled by, claimed to be surprised by.
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Here from the debate, 106C, Joe Biden trailing off.
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Thank you for coming back, everybody. For more NextUp, I'm Mark Halperin, editor-in-chief of Two Way. Very glad to have you here and very excited about our conversation today. One of my close friends, Joe Scarborough and I, who have known each other a long time and talk regularly.
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Okay, troubling yes, surprising no. Could show you a thousand examples. Here's Joe Biden trailing off before the debate in 2023.
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in gaza in the gaza strip has been um over the top i think that uh okay last one saying the wrong thing using the wrong word here's joe biden troubling saying the wrong word in the debate 106e please if we finally beat medicare okay here's joe biden in pre-debate saying the wrong thing, 106F.
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I'll say again, for Democrats and the media to have the credibility to hold Donald Trump accountable, there has to be a reckoning about what's happened. And the through line is the question of how Joe Biden has been covered.
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Okay, again, we all say the wrong things. Those are the three, I looked at a lot of the debate coverage after the debate, looked back at my notes of what Democrats said troubled them. Glassy-eyed, trailing off, saying the wrong word. It all happened, it was all on display before the debate. I don't understand how anybody could say the debate surprised them.
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Now, some people say, well, it was surprising that he did so poorly in such a high-profile moment, maybe. But it shouldn't be surprising he exhibited those behaviors. It was at night. He had foolishly had an exhausting schedule leading up to the debate. I don't understand it, I don't understand.
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And this goes back to my thought when people ask Democrats to this day, reporters ask Democrats on TV, what did you see in private? Didn't you see in private Joe Biden's decline? You didn't need to see it in private. There are vivid examples of in private and they're interesting for the historical record.
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And they speak to perhaps the culpability of Biden aides and Democratic officials who saw it in private and didn't do anything, but you didn't need to see it in private. So now we have the her audio. of President Biden's long session with the special counsel looking into his background.
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And again, those of you who have heard it know it's deeply troubling to listen to him try to answer basic questions with his lawyers having to constantly step in to help him with the facts.
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I will continue to aggressively cover Donald Trump and his administration, and I'll continue to say what is obviously the case, which is Donald Trump frequently does not tell the truth.
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And it's amazing to me that this is still the way the press, which defended and protected Joe Biden, is framing things. For what it's worth, Biden has continued to deny any suggestion that he experienced cognitive decline while in office. They are wrong, the former president said in an interview last week on The View. There is nothing to sustain that.
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I mean, I get letting Joe Biden have his say, but for what it's worth, Joe Biden has continued to deny any suggestion he experienced cognitive decline. I mean, how could they write that? How could they how could they credit that? It makes no sense. But it's the mindset that.
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Most every reporter, not Alex Thompson, but his co-author, and again, almost every reporter that's now being asked with the authority and the responsibility of covering Donald Trump to be responsible for that. It's the same line. So Jake Tapper, his book coming out in a week, here he is this morning on CNN creating a whole new set of realities. Watch this.
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You have an entire White House press corps, though, following him around. And I'm just curious as to whether or not this kind of trying to hide what was happening with the president at the time had an impact on the press corps. Like, why didn't we hear some of these details from what they actually saw and were dealing with trying to get information?
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All right. Again, amazing. True. Here's something true that he said that Jake Tapper said on CNN this morning. True that there was a cover up that senior Biden officials worked very hard to cover up as much as they could. His decline, including amongst other people in the government and in the campaign. That's true. Here's two things that are not true.
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OK, and this is where the credibility is just so important. That people be honest. I shouldn't be the only one in the media being honest about this. It's bizarre. OK, one thing that's not true is that you needed that the cover up is was so good that no one could see this, that we couldn't possibly have gotten to the bottom of this during the election. Again, it makes me mental. It was clear.
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I saw it with my own eyes in 2017 at a public event with hundreds of people. You saw it almost every day, not every day, but almost every day, both in what he did and the fact that he had such a limited schedule.
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So it is not true that it's only after the election that Jake Tapper could have gotten to the bottom of this and the rest of the Washington press corps could have gotten to the bottom of it. The other thing that's not true is that the press is blameless because they were more than just stymied in the telling of Jake Tapper. They were stymied from getting to the truth. No, they weren't.
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They were part of the conspiracy and the cover-up. They allowed themselves to believe the ridiculous spin on TV in public. And privately, they allowed themselves to be browbeat. I know reporters, again, I said before, I don't know that Jake Papper was browbeat by Biden folks, but I know reporters who were. They were told, you will lose access.
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The New York Post lost access because they covered the Hunter Biden story. Reporters who covered any story the Biden people didn't like were denied access. Does this sound familiar? A White House denying access to the press when they don't like what's written or said? This is a crisis. The book's going to come out. Conservatives online are already criticizing it along the same lines I am.
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But this should not be a red blue thing where the Democrats pretend that the book is on the up and up and the press pretends the book is on the up and up and they're criticized by red people on X and elsewhere. That shouldn't be the way this goes, because the true story
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The true story of what happened, whatever the book reveals about the cover-up within the administration, the true story is that that video that the publisher put together to try to show Jake Capra in the best light, the best light about how aggressive he was before the election, That's weak tea.
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But it becomes even more watered down when you show the full context of what he said in those very appearances and elsewhere. People treated it like a political story, like a polling story, like a partisan story. That's not what this was. If you want an America where the press corps can hold Donald Trump accountable, he's the current president, hold Donald Trump accountable.
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You want an America where this book is an opportunity not for Jake Tapper to make money and his co-author to make money. It's an opportunity for the press, every organization that participated in the cover up to come clean and to say what, again, is so obvious. I shouldn't have to say it. It was clear that Joe Biden had cognitive decline.
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It was clear that it was spun and covered up and bullying tactics were used. It was clear that people who didn't say it aloud had a partisan interest in not saying it aloud and that that included the media, which didn't say a word, not because they couldn't see it, but because they didn't want to be accused of helping Donald Trump win.
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I want this to be an opportunity to come clean because if we don't now, I'm not sure what other opportunity people will take. It's not that hard. Be honest. Say what happened. Say what we all saw in countless videos, in countless presidential appearances. Say it.
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2017.
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Now, I'm not a doctor. I know Joe Biden decently well, but there are plenty of people who know him better. I couldn't believe he ran for president in 2020. And so to me, his mental decline was apparent in 2017. And now what you have is a bunch of people who say it was only apparent to them on the day of the debate in the 2024 campaign.
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Because if we do, then we can do our jobs correctly and cover the current president aggressively and with the trust of the American people. Please. All right. Next up, my conversation with Rich Lowry of the National Review. And then a little bit later, my talk with Michael Bennett, senator from Colorado, a dad and a guy running for governor. That's all next up.
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That's 1-800-958-1000, or you can visit tnusa.com slash next up. Next up, my conversation with, I like to call him the man of the hour, even though that makes no sense in this context. Rich Lowry, the editor of National Review, always the man of the hour. Rich, welcome, and thank you for being here.
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We talked in the first segment about the media's cover up of Joe Biden's loss of mental acuity and this new book, which is making the claim that there was no way for the press to get at this story. What's your advice to the press about how to cover this book and how to seize the opportunity to restore credibility in this moment?
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The reason this new book is causing such an uproar, even though it's not out until next week, is because the book purports to explain the cover-up inside the White House, the cover-up inside the White House of Joe Biden's mental decline. I don't understand how there could be a cover-up of something that was on television on a nearly nightly basis.
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You know, there's there's obviously lots of groupthink and tribal loyalty in MAGA and in the Republican Party. If you took an open vote on tariffs, Republican senators wouldn't be for tariffs, but they pretend that they are. But you take the plane, right, the Qatari plane being offered the president. Lots of prominent conservatives are speaking out.
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With the exception of one congressperson from Minnesota, there was this conspiracy of silence for years. And I don't understand, leave the media aside for a minute, I don't understand how the party is not being more introspective about what that means for its ability to have a reputation for honesty and integrity and for running a well-managed process.
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Can you think of an analog in history to what what happened?
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I mean, I mean, I mean, less something health related, but just a party conspiring with the media to just not tell the truth of something that's happening in plain sight.
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But there weren't public opinion polls saying 80% of the people think JFK, you know, shouldn't be having affairs.
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In either Joe Biden's performance, which was uneven, there were times when he was fine. We've all seen people with mental decline. We know that sometimes things are better than others. But it was on TV every night. And in 2020 and 2024, it was also on TV when Joe Biden wasn't there. He was not visible.
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Right. That's why I had trouble thinking of an analog because the public saw it all. Yeah. Democrats saw it all. Rank and file Democrats. It's just it's a weird thing.
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Right. All right. Let's talk about Trump for the first for the transition in the first few weeks, months. The perception for most people we know was things are going well. Trump's moving fast. He's getting a lot done. The opposition is extremely weak. The party loyalty is high.
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And then we had Signalgate and tariffs and the narrative became, no, there's a bunch of clowns and Trump's doomed and it's all it's all it's all going to go bad. Where are you now in kind of the macro appraisal of how Trump's presidency is going?
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I want to read you something I read this morning and see if you agree with it or not. This person wrote, Trump prides himself on his deal-making, but he hasn't gotten anything from the UK or China over the last week that he couldn't have achieved with much less disruption. You wrote that.
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You probably agree with it. I want to challenge you. I'm not sure about the UK because I don't really understand that deal. But I want to challenge you about China. Yeah. Because while there's no final deal yet, I would argue that Trump did get something from China that he couldn't have gotten without the threat, which is he's got there. Say again? Just being at the table.
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Yeah, he's got their attention and he proves to them if the reports out of China are true. And I hear this. I read this from others, but I hear it from people I know who do business in China. He proved he could disrupt their economy to an extent that threatened Xi's ability, not just for economic vibrancy, but for controlling the country.
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And I think that there's a lot of value in that, because to me, the whole gain here, not just on economics and tariffs, but on security and diplomacy and spheres of influence, is getting leverage over Xi, because Xi is a master, like Putin, of not allowing there to be leverage over him by an American president. I think Trump got something huge from China, which is, again... She now gets it.
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And the ability to have credibility to cover presidents was undermined significantly from 2024 back to 2019, at least. Today, Donald Trump, there's so many things that need scrutiny. His acceptance of this airplane. his family's business dealings in the Middle East with the very monarchies that he's meeting with on this trip. I could go on.
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He can't just ignore what Trump wants to do with trade and of these other issues. So do you want to revise and extend or tell me?
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I get that argument, but I'd say two things that I think are at least plausibly true. And I think they animate Trump's perspective. One is that I believe we can make up with these countries. I don't believe that the damage is irreparable, even with Canada, because they need the United States so much or because there is so much goodwill.
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And the other is the first question we were talking about vis-a-vis China, which is, could you have gotten these things without breaking, walking into their homes and breaking their China? and saying, now you're going to need new China. I just don't think, using the other meaning of China, I just don't think that's true. At least, I don't think it's obviously false.
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I think the whole point of what Trump was doing was to say, again, it's some of the stuff he did in foreign policy in the first term. I'm a fucking crazy person. Like, I'll do anything. I'll say we're going to annex Canada. I will say and do anything. Now do I have your attention? Let's fix this. And the reality is, And this is, again, I believe the president's point of view.
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They say they're our friends and they're so affronted that we're talking to them negatively. Buy our beef. You know, buy our products, like fund NATO the way you're supposed to. Like they haven't really done a good job of living up to the friendship for decades on economics and on NATO when it comes to Europe.
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So he needs to get their attention and he needs to get their focus off of the status quo. Again, I'm not a full supporter of it, but I see that argument. And I think people who discount it and say, well, you've made the French and the Canadians mad. Eh, we have a right to be mad.
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For those in this country who say the press is not doing a tough enough job scrutinizing Donald Trump, I agree. The press should always be super tough. But what's happened is because of the way they covered Joe Biden, the press has lost credibility with the public. So why is this significant today? This news of this new book has come leaking out to news organizations reporting on it.
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All right. Leave aside. We'll do a little bit of a rapid round here. Leave aside Susie Wiles, Scott Besson and the vice president. Leave those three aside. Who are your three biggest stars in the Trump administration?
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Some nominees for a third? You might like the Attorney General. All right. You might like the Commerce Secretary. No, no, I don't. No. All right. You might like more. How about Marco Rubio?
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All right. Rich Larry, National Review, thank you for sharing the NextUp moment with us today. Grateful to you. Thanks, Mark. And next up here, the gentleman from Colorado, the Senator Michael Bennett, who's running for governor. We'll talk about the arc of his fatherhood and his time in Washington and beyond. That's all next up. And now let me tell you a story. It's about a guy named Leo Grillo.
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He was on a road trip and he came across a Doberman. This Doberman was severely underweight, clearly in need of a lot of help. Leo rescued that Doberman and he named him, he called him Delta. Sadly, Delta was just one of many animals that needed help, which inspired Leo to start a new organization called Delta Rescue. It's the largest no-kill, care for life animal sanctuary in the whole world.
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They've rescued thousands of dogs and cats and horses from the wilderness, and they provide all their animals with what they need, shelter, love, safety, and a good home. This dedication and everlasting love to animals is Leo's mission and his legacy. Delta Rescue relies solely on contributions from people like all of us.
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We're also going to talk to Rich Lowry of the National Review about everything going on in the news with President Trump, the Democrats, and everything else. But first up here, And next up for us is my hope that my people in my profession in the media can do a better job. The credibility of the media is vital to our country.
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One is The Guardian, which got a copy of the book, and they report that a lot of Democrats are very unhappy that Joe Biden kept running and he should have gotten out of the race and that and that there was efforts to cover up for him. Another report from Alex Thompson, who now writes for Axios.
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We call dogs man's best friend for a reason. You can help those who need it most. So please, right now, visit DeltaRescue.org today to learn more. Again, go to DeltaRescue.org. Next up, the senator from Colorado and now gubernatorial candidate, Michael Bennett.
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He is someone who has been in elective office for not that long a period of time, was in the private sector and worked on education in Denver, and then was chosen for a Senate seat, which he has defended and won reelection in his home state of Colorado. This is a political ad from Senator Bennett's first campaign for the Senate.
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Joining us now, Colorado Senator Michael Bennett. Senator, welcome. How old were those girls when that ad was made, and how old are they now?
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Uh, I, you know, you and I have known each other since we were in our twenties and we haven't talked much about parenthood. I've got one son, you've got your girls, but I'd listen to your public comments about them regularly.
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And I, and almost every interview they come up, not almost, but plenty of times just talk about, uh, what being a father has meant to you, uh, forget being in an elective office, but what does being a father meant to you?
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He wrote for Politico previously, says that there was discussion within the Biden camp of perhaps Biden needing a wheelchair. But he couldn't use a wheelchair during the campaign and that if he won reelection, there was talk he would use it then. That's interesting. Those are interesting things. I don't doubt I don't doubt either of those things are true.
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So much of their growing up, you've been in really busy jobs. You've been in really busy jobs your whole professional life, really. You know, people always say to me, you'll never say on your deathbed, I wish I'd spend more time at work. So how do you as a parent justify having these busy jobs that is taking you away from the girls? And I don't say that critically.
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I say kind of existentially because I deal with the same thing.
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My boy's eight.
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I want to ask you about the party. You've ran for president previously, and you say you're running for governor in part to deal with not just the problems of your states, but the problem that you see that President Trump caused. I want to ask you about some questions that we've been asking about the party, just to see what your take is, because you're thoughtful and you're honest. Bobby Kennedy.
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But it's this question of accountability, this question of did reporters do everything they could to hold Joe Biden and his team accountable for his obvious decline? Few interviews, few press conferences, few public appearances. doing things in public, not every day, but often, that showed obvious mental decline.
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Kennedy name is, you know, synonymous with the Democratic Party. Tell the story of why Bobby Kennedy left the Democratic Party. How did that happen?
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Let me raise two other issues that he would say played a role in his leaving the party and see if you think those are valid and something Democrats should think about. One is that people tried to pressure him to not be on the ballot, to not be able to run against Joe Biden.
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And the other is he was blackballed by the media at the insistence of Democrats, senior Democrats, who said, don't give him time on television. Do you think those things are meaningful things the party should think about in terms of being open and inclusive and open to outside opinions?
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This wasn't something for insiders to know or whisper about, the terms of the cover-up were, but the fact of Biden's decline was not a secret. And the public saw it. So these two guys have now written this book, okay?
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But let me ask you about that, because because that's a common answer. He once addressed a dead congresswoman at an event meant to honor her as if she were there. He was sequestered from the media, talked to the media far less often, even in 2020, including 2024. I don't think you needed to see anything secret or private or that debate to see mental decline. Do you not agree with that?
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I ask you about one more Democrat and then I want to talk about Colorado. What's the source, would you say, of the political strength of AOC? of Congressman Cortez Aguirre.
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And their publisher, aware of the criticism that's already come their way, saying, how can you write a book after the election about a cover-up that we all saw with our own eyes during the campaign? made a video, a publisher making a video, not that common.
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Well, but how about now? If she thinks about running for governor as you are running for president, what would you say is the source of her political strength?
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Okay. You've talked a lot about running for economic opportunity, and they're building blocks of that. And I want to ask you about some of them. Your state's had Democratic governors for a while. And I'll just say, it's a little confusing to me. You've praised the governors, the current governor, Jared Polis, who's a Democrat, but said the state is in crisis and has a lot of work to do. So-
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I want you to be as specific as you can on housing, something you've talked about and, of course, comes up all the time with your constituents. What specifically can a governor of Colorado working with the legislature do about housing that the current governor hasn't done?
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Here's a bit of the video they made trying to establish the bona fides of the two authors, Mr. Thompson and Mr. Tapper, that they were on this from the beginning.
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Is there a specific Michael Bennett idea on housing in Colorado that you can share that other states, maybe the federal government might look to and say, well, that's a good idea to create?
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Okay. Same question about transportation and traffic. Again, a huge issue in your state as it is in every other. What's a Michael Bennett idea to reduce traffic congestion?
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Okay. Here's, as I mentioned, you did run for president in 2020. I know. I appreciate the fact that you remember that. I remember it distinctly. Here's a clip from a video you made announcing your candidacy. 102, please.
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All right. Very uplifting. I get asked all the time, who are the three most likely Democratic presidential nominees in 2028? And I say you on the list. And people say I'm crazy because either they've not heard of you or they think you're boring, which I know you hear all the time. You're not boring. Should I stop including you on the list?
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So if you're not running, tell me of people who might run. Who's doing things that you find interesting and encouraging? I can't. You know what?
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Vance, is he formidable as a presidential candidate?
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Vance were articulating. Is Trump's winning twice a mystery to you, or do you think you totally understand it? I totally understand it. There's nothing mysterious about it. Explain how he won twice.
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Last quick question and quick answer. What's the most genuinely appealing thing about Donald Trump to you?
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Senator, I look forward to seeing your gubernatorial race and also welcoming you to becoming a grandpa, which could happen.
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So you saw and if you're listening on the podcast, you heard there are two voices. One is is Alex Thompson, who was an aggressive reporter, as aggressive as almost any reporter. in trying to figure out what was going on with Joe Biden's mental acuity and how his team was handling it. And then you heard the voice of Jake Tapper.
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And the publisher did as good a job as it could to find clips of Jake Tapper seeming to be at least interested in the topic of Joe Biden's mental decline. So we thought, well, what are the counters to that? Because I know that no one at CNN was particularly aggressive about this, and I had no indication from my memory that Jake Tapper was aggressive.
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And today we're going to look at a case study, an example of an area that's, I think, indicative of where we are. It's a new book, Original Sin, and it's a book by two journalists. One is a guy named Alex Thompson, who was one of the most energetic and aggressive reporters in covering Joe Biden's mental decline. And the other author is a guy named Jake Capper, who's an anchor at CNN.
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So we went and looked at the full appearances, the full segments, in which Jake Tapper was, in which the clips were pulled for that publisher video, to ask ourselves, did the full clips demonstrate that Jake Tapper in attitude and determination and focus was in real time during the campaign, during Biden's presidency, interested in getting to the bottom of this?
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So let's look at some of the clips from the publisher video, but beyond what they chose to include. Here is Joe Biden's interview with Jay Capper in 2022.
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So he wished them happy birthday. He asked them about one poll. He's not asking him about what was already on in evidence then, which is mental decline. He's simply saying there's a poll that says Democrats don't like you. So I look at that and I say, that's not the way I would have asked it. That's not a guy who was determined to get beyond just asking about a poll.
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That's a guy who was want to wish that president a happy birthday. All right. Here's another clip. This is, again, from another interview that the public another appearance, the publisher included. This is the White House press secretary and Jake Tapper asking her a question.
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Again, this is from the same segment that the publisher used to prove that Jake Tapper was serious about getting to the bottom of this cover up.
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And that matters. What did the White House do to try to control the press to keep them from asking a compliant and pliant press? One is they privately called them and browbeat them and said, do not cover this. If you cover this, you'll be cut off. I don't know if they did that to Jay Cap or not, but they also did what she did there in public. They said things that were ridiculous.
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Oh, he runs circles around us. He's tireless. I mean, look at his schedule. By the time that interview had occurred, there were many instances of the president having a very light schedule on overseas trips, canceling events with foreign leaders. They say, well, he always did his job and he did his job great. No, he canceled events and he had a very light schedule.
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So here again, he asked the pro forma question. She bats it away with one of their usual lines of spin. Oh, he's so energetic. He runs circles around the younger staff. There's no evidence of it. It's a made up piece of spin. And he seemed to accept it there. Here's another example, again, drawn from the same appearance that the publisher used to prove that Jake Tapper was tough.
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And this is with another Biden spokesperson, Kate Bedingfield, who, by the way, was a CNN consultant. So she's being paid by CNN to spin for Joe Biden with her colleagues with whom she shares a green room and everything else. This is from February of 2024, shortly before everything went south for Joe Biden. So this memory issue is already out there.
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And what I want to do today is to explain to you why this book represents a crisis and maybe, maybe an opportunity for the American media to regain credibility with the public. This goes back to the question of Joe Biden's mental decline. And I continue to laugh when I hear people say we didn't know and it was we only had a hint of it or we saw it in the debate, but not before.
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Here is perhaps the biggest tale of all. If you're a reporter and you are determined to get to the bottom of this, if you think there may be a cover up at the highest levels of the government, a potential constitutional crisis, you would not treat Biden officials with humor or lightness. You would be tough and determined to get to the bottom of it.
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You don't ask about in the context of polls, which is the way he mostly asked about it. You don't accept spin that voters don't care. If you really are concerned about getting to the bottom of this, you ask the question. It's so funny I even have to say this. You ask the question about specific incidents and how they would explain it.
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And the one I always come back to is when there was an event in honor of a congresswoman who had passed away and Joe Biden tried to speak to her. As if she were alive and there. OK, that's not confusing the names of two European leaders. That's not knowing which way to walk off the stage. That's not having your first public event at noon. That's not not doing events at night.
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That is right in plain sight. And to ask about it the way he did in that appearance and to accept her spin that voters don't care again. Welcome to do it if that's what you want to do. But to do that and then write a book saying I was determined to get to the bottom of it. This is what is this is. I don't mean to just pick on Jake Tapper, but he's the one who wrote the book.
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This is where every reporter, practically every reporter is. They engaged in the lightest questioning, the lightest possible questioning. And then accepted the bullying, accepted the spin. And again, again, they acted as if now Jake Tapper is acting as if he had been determined to get to the bottom of it. All right. This is from 2020.
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Everybody, welcome in. Mark Halpern here. Thank you for being part of NextUp. We're going to find out what's next up today. Talk to Colorado Senator Michael Bennett. Next up for him, he's running for governor. We'll talk to him about what he thinks about the popularity of AOC and of Donald Trump and of Kamala Harris.
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OK, right before the 2020 election, Laura Trump, President Trump's daughter in law, did an interview with Jake Tapper. And watch how indignant he gets at the mere suggestion that. that Joe Biden, who's doing his Delaware basement campaign, has suffered mental decline. Please roll 109.
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That's something reporters sometimes say. And a lot of Democratic officials say it's a it's a farce. So I've covered Joe Biden and know Joe Biden for pretty much my whole career. And in 2017, just after he left the White House, he had a book out and he was on a book tour. And I saw him do a book event, very friendly interviewer, big crowd. And he was a train wreck. He was glassy-eyed.
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I appreciate it. I'm sure. Yeah. So indignantly cuts off the interview. She's not a doctor. Jake's not a doctor. I'm not a doctor. But I talked to a lot of doctors in 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024. And many of them said, look, I don't usually diagnose people from afar, but obviously there's mental and cognitive decline.
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He criticized her and cut her off and I think was a little rude to her. with indignity saying, how dare you say that you're in a position to say the guy has mental decline? Well, guess what? Now that Jake Capra has written a book about this, he says right in the publicity material for the book,
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that there was this mental decline that was so apparent and that there was this big cover up in the White House. Now, I give them credit for pointing out the cover up in the White House because that was not aggressively covered because anytime anyone tried to do it, they were threatened and bullied and spun in public. And most reporters just gave up.
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But you cannot be part of restoring the credibility of the media to cover Donald Trump aggressively if your posture is, oh, we did nothing wrong. We aggressively covered it. Or worse, in some ways, we didn't even see it. How could we have seen it? We weren't in these private meetings. The cover-up was so intense. I'll say again, Joe Biden's decline was not uniform.
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There were days when he was just fine. So Republicans who say he was 100% gone and weakened at Bernie's and someone else was running the government, that's not true. But his decline was pronounced. There's a reason why he had a light schedule. He didn't talk to reporters.
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And there's a reason why all these things that happened in public that we all saw were ignored by the press because they didn't want to help Donald Trump win. They didn't want to be blamed if he won again. It's it's one of the most embarrassing things I've seen. So this morning I'm reading Politico, their daily tip sheet, the Politico playbook. And this is what they write.
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And sometimes the answer will come back, well, he's a racist and we're a racist people. Well, I have no doubt there's some racists who voted for Donald Trump, but it's not the majority of his support, to say the least. There are plenty of people who are out there, and you can hear them every day.
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If you come on any place in any diner in America, in blue, red, purple state, find some Trump voters and ask them why they voted for Trump. They won't say, I voted for Trump because he's racist. They won't even say anything that leads you to believe that's why they voted for him. A lot of the reasons they voted for Trump was the Democrats haven't grappled with these questions.
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The next presidential election is not that far away.
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And that presidential election, the Democrats, regardless of who they nominate, how strong or weak that person is, regardless of who the Republicans nominate, the people I talk to, many of whom have high experience in Democratic politics at the presidential level, they say if our party can't have a public debate about these issues of gender, of values, of policy,
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of the history of Kamala Harris, Joe Biden, and Bobby Kennedy. If we can't have that public conversation, we are doomed to lose. And the gap between how much that conversation is occurring, even in private, let alone in public, and the need to have it is vast.
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Parties that lose, particularly a party that loses to someone like Donald Trump, who they detest and don't understand, have to have a full conversation. They can't have their head in the sand or their face up against the TV screen watching MSNBC. They have to have the conversation. This isn't an anti-Democrat conversation I'm talking about here.
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who are not wanting to ask the hard questions because they're hard and they're embarrassing in some cases, they're difficult. Instead of doing that, they just have their masks and their shields on, their Trump derangement syndrome inside their blue bubble. And they're not even asking the right questions, let alone trying to figure out what the answers to those questions are.
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In fact, it's a pro-Democrat conversation because if the Democrats don't have it, they'll lose again. I've seen lots of aftermaths in all the elections I've covered. Whenever one party loses the White House, there are postmortems, there are conversations, there are meetings.
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The gap, again, between the conversation the Democrats need to have in the view of my sources and the one they're having is massive. And if they can't figure out how to fix that, it's going to be very difficult for them to turn things around. Coming up in just a moment, my conversation with the Secretary of the Veterans Department, Doug Collins, next up.
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And now next up, the Secretary of the Veterans Department, gentleman from Georgia, Mr. Doug Collins, Congressman, Secretary, welcome to NextUp. Hey, it's good to be with you, Mark. I've watched so closely how you've run the department, and it is such an important job because our veterans need to be taken care of.
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And there's been a huge focus on veterans' healthcare, and we'll talk about that, but it's not all the department does. And you've got a broader brief than that. And You've been caught up as much as any secretary, I think, in this question of what actually are you doing?
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And as you point out, the press, you have a lot of disagreements with the press and you spend a fair amount of time, not your main job, of course, trying to correct the record. So the first thing I want to say is you and I know each other probably best from appearing on TV together.
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And what I always enjoyed when I appeared with you is you made it a point to say some appearances you agreed with me and some appearances you disagreed. And then there's this one.
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So again, these aren't my questions. These are the questions that really smart people who have been involved in democratic politics at the highest levels, at the grassroots level are saying, the party has to face. It's a fact the Democratic Party has moved to the far left, farther left than it's been in our lifetimes.
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So I like that appearance because you agreed with me and then you disagreed with me just a bit, which is, as I understand it from spending some time in the South, is the way in Georgia you say that guy's totally wrong.
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so so the the the the big thing that you've spent a lot of time focusing on is you want to deliver higher quality service uh health care benefits and treatment for veterans at a lower price that's the goal and that that should be the goal of everyone who's had your job uh and yet the the accusations are that you're doing uh you're cutting and you're hurting the health care benefits so
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Talk about first and I want to I want to go as slow as we need to to get to the truth here. Talk about where there can be cost savings, not reduced benefits for veterans, but where can there be as you've seen it so far working with Doge and on your own, where can there be cost savings at the department?
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And that is a big part of the challenge the party faces to figure out what does it mean now to be a Democrat and how they can compete with Donald Trump. Donald Trump's poll numbers are down, but the Democrats' numbers are not good either. The state of the Democratic Party is not good.
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So again, just want to summarize and make sure I understand. You're saying that some amount of money can be saved that doesn't affect the health care that veterans receive by cutting middle managers, the number of middle managers, the number of bureaucrats processing things and contractors. Do I understand that correctly?
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How many veterans are alive in America today? About 14, between 14 and 15 million, depending on the day. And you said 10 million of them get health care in part through the VA, correct? Nine million, about nine million.
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As weak as Trump is, most of the things that have happened good to the Democrats, most of the things that they're anticipating in the spring, summer, and fall and into the midterm year, are because they're expecting Donald Trump to mess up. That's not good enough for a lot of the Democrats I'm talking to. They say the problems are too big to count on Donald Trump and the Republicans messing up.
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The day you started as the Secretary of the Veterans Department, how many employees did you have?
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Okay. And how many are there now?
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So I've covered the VA throughout my career because it's a big and important story. Sometimes you hear people say it's the best health care in the country. It's better than Medicaid. It's better than Medicare.
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And then, as you know, sometimes there's these horror stories about not just it's disrespectful to our men and women who've served, but just as a matter of government inefficiency, long lines to see, long waits to see doctors, horrible facilities. What is your description of VA care today?
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Is it a crown jewel of the American health care system, or is it a disaster and an embarrassment, or somewhere in between?
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So I want you to speak in as specific terms as you can, not platitudes. at the end of your time in this job, and let's say you serve all four years under the president, let's just say that hypothetical, how will the VA be different as you leave office as compared to how you took it on No platitudes. No, it's going to be better health care or whatever. How many employees?
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There's the Democratic brand, which is extremely weak. If you look at all the polling that's been done, this is not fake news or Republican polls, as bad as Trump's numbers are now compared to how he started his presidency. The Democratic brand is not seen favorably. Democrats' performance and trust on a number of important issues is still not very good.
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What are the metrics of success? Metrics, not platitudes. Thank you.
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So you're surrounded by two groups, at least, of skeptics. They went up to Capitol Hill this week and the Democrats beat you about the head and shoulders metaphorically. And the press corps, which is right to always ask questions and be skeptical. But you see them. I watch so much of your social media. You're like it's like Vox explainers versus the Dukes of Hazzard.
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They're just they're just extremely make a lot of videos. And a lot of your videos you make with your team are about the press. I want to show a part of one. that you put out the other day. This is 104, please.
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First of all, I wonder if the founders ever envisioned that a member of the president's cabinet would say, hey, y'all, it's Doug again, or whatever you say. I like the informality, obviously. So so the press corps, as you say in that video, is looking to say Elon Musk and Doug Collins sat in a room and crossed off a bunch of doctors and nurses jobs and and our veterans got worse care.
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So obviously the VA is not going to be perfect. There's no perfect health care except maybe my friend's concierge doctor here in Manhattan. That seems pretty close to perfect. But besides that. Can you can you look the American people in the eye right here on the camera and say you will not allow it with few exceptions because there's always going to exceptions.
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Part of that, I think, is the Democrat black ideas. You look at Bill Clinton and other Democrats who've been able to make a big splash nationally. They've had distinctive ideas that appeal to voters. The party really does not. You think about where do they stand on the economy? Where do they stand on tariffs? Where do they stand on immigration, education?
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But but you are not permit there to be cuts that would in any broad way affect at all in a negative way the treatment of the treatment of our veterans.
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So it must be very frustrating for you to say publicly, as you just did, my only goal is to take the resources we have with the president's pledge and make sure there's not a reduction in medical care for our veterans. And I read probably 25 stories about your stewardship of the department, and almost all of them are Collins, Musk conspiring to cut benefits.
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is this going to be chronic or are you, are you going to over time, do you think be able to convince the media and the Democrats? So actually Collins, Collins was true to his word.
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The lack of original ideas, Democrats say, is a big problem. Lack of leaders in Congress who really are breaking through with the wider electorate. Chuck Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries, not seen as strong leaders.
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You mentioned the cabinet and the president's very proud of the cabinet. You guys
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have convened a few times we're going to play cabinet word association i'll name one of your colleagues you tell me one word comes to mind when you think of them uh let's start with uh pam bondy attorney general one word very sharp very sharp in georgia that counts as one word i love people in georgia just kidding all right uh pete hagseth aggressive okay uh scott bassett brilliant brilliant uh all right uh bobby kennedy
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Passionate. Passionate. Interesting. How do you feel about Maha? Make America healthy again.
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The presidential field, you're already seeing that vacuum of lack of leadership in Congress being filled by some people, like the governor of Kentucky, Governor Beshear, the governor of Illinois, J.B. Pritzker. These folks are out there, but I continue to say not to run these folks down as individuals, but it's a weak presidential field. It's an overrated field.
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I made some jokes about Georgia. I love Georgia. So I'm going to make one at South Carolina's expense right there. You're kind of your rival state in some ways, right? A little bit. Uh, what do they call McWings in, uh, in South Carolina? I have no idea. Gourmet. Um, all right.
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So yeah. Howard Lutnick, one word. Uh, funny. Funny. Interesting. Yeah, he's a great person to be around. There's all this talk about tension between Howard Lutnick and Scott Besson. You ever seen any of that? No. No.
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In the cabinet meetings, everybody, there's this criticism that some people make, say, you all just blow smoke up the president's behind, that everybody's just in there saying he's the greatest person of all time. Is that a fair criticism?
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I think it may be in my point of view, it's maybe a little bit excessively focused on the president. But I say to people like, what do you expect the cabinet to come in and trash the job everybody's doing? Doesn't make sense. Now, you served in Congress. You ran for the Senate. And now first time you're serving as a cabinet secretary. What's a surprise? Do you think that people wouldn't?
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know about what it's like to be a cabinet secretary? I think it's who can get stuff done.
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I mentioned Elon Musk a couple of times. Did you know him before you were in the cabinet? No, I did not. All right. So what's he like?
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We want to grow big and fast, so please, if you haven't done those things, do it. Today, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. I'm going to tell you what smart Democrats and some disaffected former Democrats tell me is the real explanation of why the party might be in big trouble.
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Yeah.
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A lot of people there when you get there? They're getting to be.
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And the energy in the party where you see big crowds and a lot of attention, continues to be with people like Bernie Sanders, AOC, college protesters. There's clearly a need for the Democratic Party to have that enthusiasm. But most Democrats I talk to say that's not a majority. That's not enough.
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How has the Collins family been impacted, if at all, by the tariffs so far?
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As far as you know, you're not paying more for anything or not buying anything because of the tariffs.
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All right. I'm going to ask you one political question and maybe you'll tell me you can't answer it, but who's going to be the Republican nominee for Senate in Georgia now that Governor Kemp has said he's not running?
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I would ask you how it could be that the state you represented and hail from Could have two senators as liberal as Ossoff and Warnock, but we don't have four hours for you to explain that.
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Tell me, I ask all the Trump cabinet folks, tell me one thing about Donald Trump that you think is misunderstood by the public at large. His empathy for other people. Which runs opposite to what many would say, but tell me where you've seen that.
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Great story. Mr. Secretary, very grateful to you for making time. And I'm going to do some spot checks on some of your facilities and I'll call you from there if I see any issues.
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It's not even a majority within the Democratic Party, and it's certainly not a majority to win back the country. But again, these are maybe symptoms of the problem. What the Democrats I talked to this week have said that the real problem is The failure to ask the right questions and to come up with answers.
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Look forward to seeing you down there soon. Thank you. Thanks again to Secretary Collins. And next up, more next up right here. And now I'm going to tell you a story about a fellow named Leo Grillo. Leo was on a road trip and he came across a Doberman, a dog who was severely underweight, clearly in need of help and in a lot of trouble. Leo rescued that Doberman and he gave him a name, Delta.
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Sadly though, Delta was just one of many animals that needed help, which inspired Leo to start Delta Rescue. It's the largest no-kill care for life animal sanctuary in the whole world. They've rescued thousands of dogs, cats, and horses from the wilderness, and they provide their animals with shelter, love, safety, and a good home. This dedication and everlasting love to animals is Leo's mission
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Check out the estate planning tab on their website to learn more and to speak with an advisor. We all call dogs man's best friends for a reason. You can help those who need it the very most. So please, today, visit DeltaRescue.org to learn more. Again, that's DeltaRescue.org. Next up, it's the Bidens on The View, the former first couple or the guests on Thursday for the entire hour of The View.
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I'll jump right to the lead, which is maybe because it was 11 o'clock a.m. and not p.m. Joe Biden was just fine. He had some moments of hesitation, but there's no sort of major gaffe. It was not the hardest hitting interview of all time, but they did ask him about all the relevant topics. And joining me now to break down with some madness chalk talk.
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The Biden's on the View, Batya Angar Sargon, friend of all small children, animals, this program, columnist for the Free Press. Batya, welcome in.
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So I watch this expectantly. And of course, we shouldn't grade Joe Biden too hard because lots of politicians, including his predecessor slash successor, say things that aren't true, you know, say things that are a little off point. So I don't want to I don't want to fly spec every answer by some ridiculous standard. He's a politician. And as I said, he was fine. We're going to look at some of it.
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But I'd love to know your overall impressions of of the interview.
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Now, some of these questions are backward looking in one sense about what happened in the 2024 election. but they're relevant today because the failure to grapple with the recent past shows some of the weaknesses the party has. Let me give you some examples, okay? Some of these legacy questions from 2024. For instance, one that I heard from several Democrats I talked to, Bobby Kennedy.
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Great point and great framing. All right, let's look at it. He was asked early on about why Kamala Harris lost. And he praised her as a good candidate. Again, he's got to say that we know privately, he did not think she was a good candidate. It was one of the reasons he clung to the nomination as long as he did. And It was a little bit contradictory.
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He said she was good, and he said he would have won had he been the nominee. But he basically said she couldn't win, one, because of COVID and a general anger at governments, incumbent governments, and particularly left-of-center governments. And then he said, if not for the first time, I don't recall him saying it, he suggested that she lost in part because of sexist efforts against her.
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Let's play 109, please.
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So that's an explanation that, of course, goes to the question of voters being sexist. But do you think that's that's an explanation he actually believes or that's just a convenient thing to say? How would you appraise that answer?
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Why did he leave the Democratic Party, run as an independent, and then join the Trump administration? And what are the sources of his appeal? It's kind of an incredible story that the press didn't cover. They blackballed Bobby Kennedy at their urging and insistence of Democrats. They didn't give him access to the ballot to run as a Democrat.
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And this was a masterclass in avoiding and evading the questions that I raised at the top of the program that the hard questions the Democrats need to ask each other and talk about publicly. One is, you know, was Biden responsible? Was Harris responsible for the loss? Here is another question from Alicia Farah Griffin asking Joe Biden if he takes responsibility for what happened.
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Now, unfortunately, after he says I take responsibility, the next four minutes was him saying it wasn't his fault and he was a great president. And it was like people didn't appreciate the infrastructure bill.
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So, Bacha, do you think, as the Democrats I've been talking to do, that saying not explaining adequately why Trump won, including for some of the reasons you just said, is harmful to the Democrats?
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They didn't give him access to the media airways to get his message out. Blackballing him from the ballot, from the media, left caused him to leave the party. And he left the party with a lot of energy. I'm not sure Donald Trump would have won the election without Bobby Kennedy's support. Kennedy, Democrat, right?
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Well, there's no doubt he was enabled. We'll never know what would have happened if after the midterms, where the Democrats did surprisingly well, and that's part of, I believe, from my reporting, what encouraged him to seek reelection.
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We'll never know if after the midterms, if he had said, you know what, I said I'd be a transitionary figure, and I'm going to be, and I'm going to endorse Kamala, but I'm going to say this should be an open process. We'll never know if the Democrats would have produced a nominee who could have won a general election.
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But but there's no doubt that his decision to stay in and his denial that it continues, at least on face value today. There's no doubt that continuing to stay in left the Democrats with a very weak candidate. And I'll say again, there's this paradox.
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Every day he stayed in was a day where he could say to himself and to people privately, if I get out now, Kamala will be the nominee and Kamala can't win.
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So again, they were on the show for almost the full hour. And I'll tell you some other things that were said that were at least new, at least to my ear. Joe Biden said he talks to Kamala Harris often, including giving her advice about whether she should run for president or governor. He pointedly said he wouldn't reveal what advice he's given.
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He also denied that that's been reported that he told her there can be no daylight between us when she became the nominee. The reporting suggests that he basically tied her hands. And his interpretation of what she said on The View when she was on The View and famously said, I can't think of anything I would have done differently. His explanation of that was not credible, I'll say.
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must have taken an extraordinary turn of events to drive a Kennedy out of the Democratic Party, and yet they did. So again, why did he leave? What's the source of his appeal? Another set of things involves issues that clearly were potent for Donald Trump and Republicans, the issue of trans athletes and women's sports, the issue of the open border and immigration.
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He said what she meant was she wouldn't have done any of the good stuff differently, which, of course, was not the point of the question. The point of the question was up.
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hundred degree 180 degrees opposite jill biden said a lot of interesting things in this interview um she talked about uh joe biden doing poorly in the debate and acknowledged that that he did uh but said that she told him right after the debate when he said he effed up that he had to go out and and inspire everybody and and act like you know it was just a 90 minutes of uh
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of uh of aberration she also was asked pointedly did you cocoon him did you keep him from from being exposed to others and that public exposure and again her answer was not consistent with the facts she said no he was out there all the time he was in the oval office he was giving speeches he was but he was also cocooned and she said quite um uh sympathetically to me she said
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that that she was they were hurt by their friends who abandoned them. He said the only reason he got out and he said this before was because the Democratic Party was divided over his staying in and not the whole Democratic Party, just the elites. And of course, that's not true in at least two ways.
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One is there were plenty of rank and file Democrats who didn't think he should be the nominee even before the debate. And also he got out because they said to him he can't win and that they would start to ratchet up the pressure against him, not that he sacrificed himself willingly because of divisions within the party. All right. Another thing.
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And this was this was maybe the most pointed moment because the Bidens have not. had an opportunity to answer this question. Both Bidens were asked, and Joe answered, then Jill, then Joe again. We'll start with Jill's answer, her answer. Both Bidens were asked if there was cognitive decline that has been widely reported and visible to the naked eye. Here's what she said.
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Again, why didn't the Democratic Party see or act on The obvious impact that those were going to have on the election. Those are pretty big errors to let those issues hang out there for the entirety of the Biden administration.
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So throughout the interview, Joe Biden criticized Donald Trump as he did in an earlier interview at the BBC. He said it was the worst hundred days of any president and said some specifics, none of which would surprise you. But on this issue, Batya, of whether Joe Biden suffered mental decline, the Bidens deny it.
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And they don't even show some of the weakness, but they don't even acknowledge that he slowed down. They basically said he was the best Biden ever, every bit as good as he'd always been. My Democrats who I talk to say, this is not just a matter of having history be accurate.
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It's not just a matter of channeling their anger and venting their anger at Joe Biden for staying in, even though he declined. But it's simply a matter of credibility. And we looked earlier at Neither Bernie Sanders nor Elizabeth Warren, they're most Democrats willing, even after the fact, to engage on this. Why do you think Democrats are clinging to?
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It's understandable why the Bidens would maybe. But why are they clinging to this notion that there was no decline when everybody could see it?
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And there's something wrong with the Democratic Party that they didn't have the ability before it was too late to get the Democratic Party to change its point of view on issues. OK, next, Kamala Harris. Why didn't she win? What was wrong with her as a candidate? Why couldn't she beat Donald Trump, someone who the Democrats think has no business being president, particularly after January 6th?
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As you know, the Bidens would say that, um, that the, um, that the Republicans and this current president are the ones who are the dividers, as you know. So the Washington Post reported this morning, or sorry, Politico reported that the Bidens have hired a person who was a spokesperson for them at the Pentagon, a very high powered PR person.
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And that, you know, most presidents don't go on The View, you know, 110 days or whatever it is after they leave office. And people are saying he wants to burnish his legacy, etc. And there's no doubt if you watch the interview that that's a motivator. But I talked to someone yesterday who knows that Very, very understanding of the Biden family.
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And this person basically said it's all hiding in plain sight. Yeah, they want to burnish their legacy. Yeah, Biden is addicted to the life he's had for decades where, you know, it's all about being in the public stage. But it's also about, as they say, the Benjamins, that the Biden family, Hunter not going to prison because he was pardoned.
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But Hunter's earning potential, at least currently, is nothing like it was when he was, you know, a lawyer and a fixer. and a barisma board member or an art salesperson with his dad in the White House, that his brothers who made a lot of money for the family also now
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don't have a president or a vice president or or someone who might be president in office and that all these grandkids who had very cool lives and lots of free stuff and and access to you know special things that the the gravy train has been cut off and that is a former president because of the way he left office and because of his lack of connection to some of the most money people in the country that he's not getting 800 000 speeches he's not going to get a book deal besides the obamas
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And that part of what this is about is trying to put him back in play as a figure who can be a rainmaker for Biden Inc. How do you see that?
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I've seen no serious public discussion and even privately very little analyze it. Why'd she lose? What was wrong with her? And then what are the lessons for the party of the failure to get Joe Biden off the ticket in time to have a strong nominee? Okay. There were plenty of people, including me saying for years that Joe Biden was a real threat to Donald Trump's reelection.
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I'll also have a conversation with the Secretary of the Veterans Department, Doug Collins, the gentleman from Georgia. We'll talk about his pledge that he's made about making sure veterans are taken care of, even as Doge tries to make the department more efficient. All of that plus a look at Joe Biden here on this episode. Again, grateful to have you with us.
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Yeah, there are. And of course, Donald Trump has buck raked in the White House more literally, you know, probably in terms of the money he's made off the office than every other president combined. So so it's not a problem for Democrats, except it's a personal problem for the Bidens. And I've seen this with other people I've covered over the years.
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if you're a senator or a presidential candidate, you hang out with donors who live on Fifth Avenue, you hang out with other elected officials who are multimillionaires, and you hang out with celebrities. And it's just like, well, I want those things too. I want to be able to have a house on Martha's Vineyard, or I want to be able to fly first class or fly private. And the Bidens had Biden Inc.
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And again, I say this about the president's health, And I say this about the coverup of his decline. And I say this about Biden Inc. None of them are as bad as the Republicans claim. and none of them are as innocent or fine as the Democrats claim.
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And in the case of Biden Inc, you don't have to be the most vociferous critic of how Joe Biden allowed his brothers and his son to make money off of by trading off his public office to see that those guys made a lot of money trading off his public office. Like you can assume the least negative about Joe's involvement or awareness, whatever, and I don't assume the least,
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because there's documentation for it. But even then, the reality is, he is no longer able to, they're no longer able to leverage him the way they did before. And
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My sense is, particularly from this person I talked to, that the more he rehabs himself, the more he's seen as a relevant player, the more likely it is that those guys are going to be able to figure out how to make money off of him again. And they need that. There's a lot of grandkids. There are great-grandkids going to be coming in greater numbers.
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If he ran for reelection himself and yet the party did not have the capacity to force him off the ticket until the very last minute when plenty of these Democrats and others will say it was too late. How and why did that happen? Okay. Those are backward looking, but the Democrats I've talked to say they have to be addressed. There has to be a conversation about it.
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And he's been the source of their ability to make money.
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There's a difference in kind. I would disagree.
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Look at the way he's leveraged the office directly. I mean, again, I'm a big critic of Biden.
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I don't know. I take your point. I take your point. And, you know, the Bidens probably made a higher percentage of their wealth from leveraging office than Trump has. But the way Biden, the way Trump's done it, I consider also unseemly. I don't consider it better because it's been more open.
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In some ways, yes. In some ways, no. I would say in some ways, yes. All right. Batya, thank you for joining. Batya Angar Sargon of the Free Press and a friend of all I do, which I'm very grateful to you for. Thank you for making time.
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So recently, some Democrats have started to been asked this question. What happened with Joe Biden? How did the party not act on what seemed apparent, his mental decline? Here's Elizabeth Warren being asked that question.
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I'm not singling her out because very few Democrats want to grapple with it. Because to grapple with it is to acknowledge, A, that Biden had declined, that they all saw. And they didn't have to see it in private. They could have seen it in public. And to grapple with the question of how could a party commit that kind of malpractice?
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Here is Bernie Sanders grappling with the same question on Fox News.
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Well, he's right that that's a fundamental issue. But the Democrats I've talked to say, if you fail to grapple with it, You don't have credibility with the public and you don't understand the dynamics of the Democratic Party. Now, it's not like in 2028 they're going to face the exact same issue.
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But the Democrats, again, who some in the party, some who've left the party, say it's an embarrassment and it gets away from an authentic discussion. All right. Those are the backward looking ones. Now I'm going to tell you some of the ones that are germane right now that these Democrats say must be discussed, not just privately, but out in the open.
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If the party is going to have a chance to have a revival and a strong chance to win the White House. The first one has to do with the media and what kind of information Democrats are taking in. What are the sources since about 2015 that Democrats have relied on to say, what do we know about the world? What do we know about Donald Trump's appeal? What do we know about how our party is doing?
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And these Democrats say if they continue to stay in their blue bubble, it's not just about Pete Buttigieg going on a podcast that Donald Trump's going on. It's about consuming programs, including programs like this, that try to find the truth about the party rather than just relying on things that keep them from the truth. It's pretty fundamental.
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Now, I'm sure some people on the left will say, well, that's what the Republicans do. They're just watching conservative media. They see plenty of things like CBS News.
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So I'm going to start by telling you the honest truth that I've heard from conversations with people across the country. Smart Democrats, some still Democrats, some disaffected Democrats who say that the party has to address some really tough questions. I haven't heard anybody with a list like this.
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that they can take in and understand what's going on on the other side so that's one then there's another one again these are hard questions to grapple with gender what kind of party does the democratic party want to be regarding men and women and what some democrats said to me this week one in particular with a fair amount of emotion is are strong men men who are strong by traditional definitions or roles are strong men welcome to the democratic party
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Or is the Democratic Party does not want to be welcoming to strong men? It's a tough question conversation to have because there are plenty of people in the party who would say they don't want traditional gender roles to play a role in the party. So that's a tough one. Here's another one about speech.
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What these Democrats said is for a lot of people in our party, if somebody says something we don't like, if we find it to be offensive or negative or not consistent with our worldview, we call it hate speech or we call it racism or misinformation or fascism.
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Is that the way to deal with dissenting voices, to make it a big, broad party, to make it a stable party and to adapt to changing circumstances? These Democrats see an intolerance in the party for dissent, and they think that's not a good way to build a party. All right, another one about coalitions, okay? How to build the biggest possible tent, how to draw people in.
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And what some Democrats say is they're deliberately excluding people. They're taking groups of people and saying, we don't want that group in the party. And one prominent example is people in big tech. Big tech, and this is a huge irony, big tech was instrumental in helping, trying to help Hillary Clinton win in 2016. Instrumental in helping Donald Trump, Joe Biden beat Donald Trump in 2020.
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And yet now you see lots of tech leaders saying they don't feel welcome in the Democratic Party. And they're taking their influence, their money, their capacity to affect public policy conversations. And they're saying, we don't love everything about Donald Trump, but we're welcome in the Republican Party.
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Democrats have said to too many groups in the view of the people I talk to, not just that we're not gonna court you aggressively, but that we think it's a positive to kick you out of the party, that we are better off as a party to exclude rather than include. And that is seen by my sources as a real problem.
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Next, can Democrats appeal to Latino voters if they're not honest about how Donald Trump improved his standing and support with Latino voters, including on the issue of immigration? For years, Democrats told themselves If we're tough on the border, we'll alienate Hispanic voters. We can't do that. Better call them Latinx and say we're for the Biden policies on the border.
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And it's a list that I put together getting kind of the consensus view of a number of very smart people.
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Well, the data is pretty clear, and you can see it in focus groups and polls. A lot of Latino voters who are in this country legally, they don't want an open border. And so it turns out for at least some of those voters, the democratic theory of the case was exactly backwards. That supporting tougher policies on illegal immigration actually can appeal to Hispanic voters.
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Democrats haven't had that conversation, my sources say they need to. Young voters, OK, young voters supported Donald Trump in numbers that are baffling to so many Democrats. They need to figure it out. Young voters historically have been a pretty big source of support for Democrats. And instead, what you see is a lot of young voters see the Democratic Party as not cool.
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You think not that long ago, Barack Obama defined cool for younger voters and many others. And now what you see is a Democratic Party that doesn't seem to have the capacity to communicate with young voters in a systematic way to be the cool party. Now, part of that might be that a lot of the Democratic leaders are 70, 80 years old.
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some of whom have left the party as i said but some of whom really want the democrats to be able to not just win the white house back but to build the kind of a sustained coalition or kind of movement that donald trump has built to try to figure out how things have gone the real problem that these democrats see is not that the party is weak in every way we'll talk about that the real problem they see is the party has its head in the sand enabled by the people in what i call the dominant media
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But it's also, in the view of my sources, a cultural problem, a communications problem, a symbolism problem, a personality problem. How can the Democrats have an honest conversation about why young voters supported Donald Trump? Maybe the biggest one is working class voters, union voters. Again, they move towards Donald Trump. How do Democrats who are in denial explain that?
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How do they come to terms with the fact that the parties have flipped? Being the working class party is a good thing to be in politics for all the obvious reasons in terms of numbers. There's a lot of working class voters. And yet Democrats haven't seemed to find a way to have that conversation. That's the one where there are a few efforts.
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My sources say of all the issues I've raised, that's the one where there is some sort of public conversation. But in their view, it needs to be a lot fuller and a lot more honest about what's wrong. Okay. This is the big one. This is the most important question. that I continue to hear from Democrats who are in denial, who are in their blue bubble.
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And they'll say to me, a couple of them said it to me when I was on Michael Smirconish's radio show this week. They said, you know, you don't need to call Trump a racist more. You need to say Trump's, you know, hoodwinking people.
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The paradox to me is the people who have the most Trump derangement syndrome, the people who think are the most outraged that Trump is president are the ones who need to spend the most time understanding how he won. because they're the ones who say he's such a horrible guy that he couldn't possibly win. And I heard this from Democrats in 2021 when it looked like Donald Trump might run again.
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After January 6th, before some of the criminal indictments occurred, they said, Trump will never win. Trump can't win. It was a fluke in 2016. Well, he did win and he won the popular vote this time, of course. And yet the worse you think Trump is as a person, the more horrible, disgusting you think he is, the less appeal you think he has. That should create an inverse proportion.
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It should make you desperate to answer the question, most of all, why is Donald Trump popular? I listened to so many interviews with Democrats. I talked to so many Democrats beyond the ones who are informing this conversation. And they rarely grapple with the question of Trump's popularity. They'll tell you why they think he's bad.
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They'll tell you why they think his poll numbers have gone down and will go down further. And there's no doubt that there's truth. There's no doubt there's lots to say bad about Donald Trump, even if you're not a diehard Democrat. But the conversation, the worse you think Trump is, the more you should want to know, why is he popular? What is it about Trump?
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And today in his newsletter, Guy's a fan of irony. He writes about how it was so important for Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson to have the truth in their book, the full truth, that they hired the head of the New Yorker's fact-checking department to fact-check their book. Okay. Again, the job of a media reporter, I would think, is not to protect and promote his colleague.
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But the reason why I'm continuing to talk about this story. about Joe Biden is because there's no way to hold Donald Trump accountable if two institutions in this country aren't capable of doing it because they don't have the credibility. That's the media, my colleagues in the media, and that's the Democratic Party. Every one of you should want those two institutions to have credibility.
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And this is no innocent here, Brian Stelter, in addition to promoting and protecting Jake Tapper. Brian Stelter has been, over the course of the entire Biden presidency, one of the biggest critics of those on the right and those few people like me in the independent media who have tried to hold Joe Biden accountable. He's accused us of being propagandist, of celebrating cheap fakes and deep fakes.
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I don't understand someone whose job it is to hold the media accountable, to not hold not just his own network, but every news organization in the country who now it's clear participated in a cover-up, some because of threats, some because of a desire to help Joe Biden win. Massive cover up. And and instead of pointing out the flaws in the book, he writes favorable.
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He cites the favorable reviews the book has gotten from news organizations like The Washington Post, The New York Times, who participated in the cover up and whose failure was manifest. He writes he he writes he cites the favorable reviews and then the Twitter account of the book for the book. tweets out Brian Stelter's citations.
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It's nothing short of journalistic corruption, and it's missing the moment. The moment now for the Democratic Party is to acknowledge that, of course, we all saw with our own eyes, not in private meetings on C-SPAN, the public manifestations of Joe Biden's decline.
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We all watched as the media, not the conservative media, but what I call the dominant media, simply pretend it wasn't happening, attack those who pointed it out. And now everybody in the media say, well, we don't need to acknowledge our own failure. We'll just say Joe Biden should have run and people like Chuck Schumer should have called him out. It's a big failure and it's missing the moment.
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OK, it's missing the moment. We'll keep watching. Book comes out next week. Uh, we're gonna take a little bit of break, come back and my colleague at two-way Megan McCain will be here and we'll talk more about the Jake Tapper, Alex Thompson book and Joe Biden and the democratic party after this brief break.
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even if you don't like the Democrats. And we know that those two organizations don't have credibility. That's true for a lot of reasons with a lot of people. The media is probably at an all-time low in terms of lack of credibility. And there's a new Associated Press poll out this week that shows people not particularly optimistic, including Democrats, about the future of that party.
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Your consultation is always completely free and acting now could stop penalties, threatening letters, and surprise levies before things escalate. So call right now 1-800-958-1000 or visit tnusa.com slash next up. All right. Joining us now to continue the conversation about Joe Biden and the media and the Democrats is my friend and two-way colleague and fellow doting parent, Megan McCain.
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Megan, thank you for making time.
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You're in a unique, maybe not unique, but unusual. You and your family have a long history with the Bidens. And you and I have talked many times about how he shouldn't have run in 19 and shouldn't have run in 24. And so the whole thing is... is skewed by that. But in addition, you talk to a lot of normal people. It's one of the strengths of you as a commentator.
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And you and I know many, many people who saw the decline. And so that's the outside story. That's the public story. But you also know Jake Tapper. And I know you've got strong feelings about putting his name on this book. So let's start there since that's where I ended my monologue. What's your view of Jake Tapper's credibility in writing a book about
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exposing the cover up of what happened with Joe Biden's mental acuity decline.
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Democrats don't have no credibility, but they don't have enough. And that's part of why Donald Trump is not held accountable the way he should be. And so now's the time
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with this new book coming out next week, to use it as an opportunity not to engage in whitewashes, not to engage in the same kind of lack of truth that existed during this entire saga of the question of Joe Biden's cognitive decline. Now is the time to get people in my business to recognize there's a credibility problem and for Democrats to do it also.
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Yeah. So you and I have both spent time in newsrooms and we understand the culture of the liberal media. CNN has defended Jake Tapper and said, you know, he was just tough. He's super tough on on this. Their statements run counter to what Tapper, as you pointed out, and I mentioned last segment, is saying now, which is he could have been tougher. What do you think's happening?
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Let's start with CNN and then talk about NBC and other places. What do you think's happening at CNN? Do you think they think they think this is a time for self-reflection or this is just a time to help Jake sell books? How do you think they are viewing this moment?
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And if it was just his book, you and I would look at it in a much different light.
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But you know people there, too. Let's say the New York Times, let's say the publisher or the editor of the New York Times, my college roommate, Joe Kahn, let's say he called you and he said, Megan, I saw you on NextUp with Mark and totally agree. This is the moment where we need to try to restore some credibility by coming clean. What should we do?
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What could the New York Times do to try to restore credibility on the issue of how they covered or didn't cover Joe Biden's mental decline?
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They wanted you to write one or they wanted to profile you?
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The reason I spend so much time talking about this is I care about the media and I want there to be two strong political parties in the country. And most of the people trying to hold the media accountable for the biggest media scandal in American history, as I call it, are on the right. Jason Miller, who works for President Trump, he tweets about this all the time.
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I love I love I loved your list. The other thing I would say, The New York Times is hire an outside person with credibility. Let them interview all your reporters and editors who covered the Biden administration and ask them, show them videos of Biden, you know, talking to a dead congresswoman and exhibiting obvious decline. And say, why didn't you write more about this?
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Who did you ask about this? Because I've talked to some of them and some of the reporters knew full well what was going on. There was this culture that said, we're just not covering this story.
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Right. Yeah. All right. Your dad had a close relationship with Joe Biden, although it was it was not perfect. I mean, I know there was conflict between them on some things. For one thing, your dad thought Joe Biden talked too much, but he was not the only one who fit in that category.
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Wait, say that again.
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Who on his staff issued those threats?
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Yeah. All right. We'll talk about that on the extra episode. And then just one more piece of the connection is your mom served in the Biden administration as an ambassador, right?
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He highlights the lack of credibility on this issue. There are other people on the right who do it. That's not good enough. OK, Byron York, very smart guy, writes for the conservative Washington Examiner. He wrote this morning in his newsletter on this issue of the press's dealing with their failures on Joe Biden's cognitive decline.
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Just to highlight, and then I want to ask you about the Bidens, but just to highlight what you said, like your dad was, you know, they helped you, your family when your dad was sick. They made your mom an ambassador. Yeah. The rest of the family endorsed, right? You're at least one of your brothers endorsed.
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And yet when you declined to endorse because you're a Republican, they said you're dead to them. And that is indicative of the Biden culture. You know, you and I have heard many stories like this. And this is another myth that the press didn't cover. What a nice guy. What a lovely family. Say what you want about them. They're so nice to people. And look what they did to you.
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And again, I know countless stories like this.
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So I know you've already talked about this, but I just want you to talk about how the Bidens are handling this, particularly going on your old program, The View. How do you think the Bidens are dealing with not just the Tapper book, but the general effort by the Democratic Party to blame not Kamala Harris, not the Democrats who stayed silent, but to blame Joe Biden for what happened?
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Understanding the press's handling of then President Joe Biden's obvious physical and mental infirmity. is probably more a matter for psychologists than for media and analysts. There's some truth to that, because understanding why the media not only failed before but continues to fail, I think does involve a lot about human nature and psychology.
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Yeah. Maybe, would you watch if Jay Capra interviewed Joe Biden now? Would you watch that?
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Amen, sister. You, too, can talk to Megan McCain on the two-way platform every Tuesday and Thursday, noon Eastern time. Citizen McCain.
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Oh, Monday and Wednesday. Thank you for correcting me. It's a bad promo if you get it wrong. Mondays and Wednesdays, noon Eastern time on two-way. Citizen McCain. Join and, of course, on YouTube as well. Mondays and Wednesdays. Thank you for correcting me. Megan, thank you for making time.
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All right. After a brief interlude, we'll be back with Charlie Kirk next up. All right, now I'm going to tell you a story. It's about a fellow named Leo Grillo. Leo was on a road trip and he came across a Doberman. The dog was severely underweight, clearly in a lot of trouble. So Leo rescued that Doberman and he gave him a name, Delta.
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I'm no expert in those areas, but I do know a fair amount about the media, so we'll talk about that. Eric Erickson, another person on the right, he wrote in his newsletter, Now that Joe Biden has lost, the truth can be told except for the part of the press's own complicity in the cover up. I couldn't agree more.
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You can learn more there. Again, that's DeltaRescue.org. All right, we're back on next up. And next up is Charlie Kirk, head of Turning Point USA. And someone who, whenever I flatter him, just maintains the same poker face you're about to see. If you're watching on YouTube, if you're listening, trust me, you're about to miss the poker face. Charlie Kirk is an extremely kind guy.
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And I just heard a story from Meghan McCain about something you did for a 16-year-old young man yesterday who wants to be a cop. And I know from just knowing a lot of people who know you, You do stuff like that all the time. So kind guy cares a lot about his family and his kids and is a successful political and media entrepreneur. And I'm just fascinated by your success.
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You know, I've talked about it many times, but grateful to you for making time because part of your success is you're highly scheduled. So thank you for making time.
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Every so often he would.
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The people in the media now who are writing about this book are ignoring the media's own role in it. And that's a vital part of what happened. And it's extremely important. Eric writes also, had Joe Biden somehow gotten reelected, the press would right now still deny his decline. I think that's true. It's an incredible statement, but I think it's true.
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Have you and I ever talked about Rush as a broadcaster? I can't remember.
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And I would say, you know, I used to listen when I would take vacations and I would drive like out west. I would love, I would arrange the rise to three hours to listen. And, and you, you're ideologically, uh, aligned with Rush. Um, I, I, I stole so much from him as a broadcaster. So three things I loved about Rush as a broadcaster. Okay. Number one, silence.
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It's, and you do, you do it and I've noticed you do it and maybe you're purposely mimicking him, but Rush would not be afraid on radio. He was not on camera for most of his career, but he would not be afraid even on radio. to pause and be quiet.
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It is such a great point. Most people feel like when in front of the microphone, they have to constantly be talking. They can't have any dead air because it's kind of weird to have dead air. But I learned it from Rush and I use it all the time. It creates drama and tension and excitement and reflectiveness. It's just... Pausing. Incredible. So now that's number one.
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And I've noticed you doing it. You do it with me. And part of it is a time to think. but it's just a great craft, a great part of the craft. Second is Rush was not afraid to the contrary of rustling the papers, right? You could physically hear him rustling papers. Now I'm working off of an iPad and iPhone and a computer, so I don't got anything to rustle, but I'm not afraid to make noise, right?
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Noise is good, like open a Diet Coke, whatever it is, like the sound effects, again, human and real. And then finally, and this is something I've done in all my work, and Rush is not the only person who did this, But it's, and when I say this to people, sometimes they laugh. Rush would only talk about things he was interested in. And the audience knows.
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The audience knows if you're hosting a show and you're talking about something that's not interesting.
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And if Fox News had treated a Republican president's decline the way MSNBC treated Biden's, CNN, The New York Times, The Washington Post, Brian Stelter, who writes for CNN about the media, and Oliver Darcy, who writes his own media newsletter, and the rest of the media's appointed accountability voices would demand accountability.
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I'll say it is more praise for you. I tell I've told people for years, whether you're Democrat, Republican or journalist, whatever, if you want to be a broadcaster on audio, video or both, go listen to Rush hours and hours if you haven't listened, because it's just so much to learn from.
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And I'd say I say the same thing about people about you now as both a broadcaster and as a idea political entrepreneur, like. If you're a Democrat and you're not studying Charlie Kirk, you're making a huge mistake because you're doing stuff that is just like Rush. People have done stuff like it, but not exactly what you're doing.
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We'll talk more about it. But I want to talk about kind of what's going on in the news and something that occurred to me this morning when I was thinking about our conversation. MAGA and your place in it. When you guys mobilize, you're very effective, particularly if it's an intra-Republican fight. So Pete Hegseth's nomination is in danger.
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You and Tucker and others, you mobilize and Pete Hegseth gets confirmed. And it's not just you guys. It's your understanding of the grassroots and how to use social media and mobilization. Where is MAGA on this reconciliation bill? Right. Right now.
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It's the president's biggest domestic focus. There's a lot of tension. Right. And a lot of issues to resolve it. And if it goes down, it's almost unimaginable if it goes down. So where is MAGA now? Are you waiting to mobilize? Are you mobilizing and I'm not seeing it? What's happening with that?
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But the press will give MSNBC a pass because progressives will protect progressives. That's the view on the right, that the media is still covering up their failures in exposing what was obviously true to the tens of millions of people in the country.
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But I would say not just the base, right? Who'd be against those things? Those all sound good. Totally. Very popular. Yes.
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Yeah, but I think Kamala Harris endorsed some of those, right? Correct. Yes. You're right to list those first, but I'm just saying that's not getting to the problem, but keep going.
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But then why aren't you mobilizing on that right now?
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But it's all, I understand, but it's all happening. Like, the House is trying to pass a bill next week. So I'm not just asking about you and Turning Point. I'm just saying, like, these are germane right now. You know, state and local tax deduction.
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because they wanted to protect, as my psychologist had, they wanted to protect Joe Biden because they didn't want to help Donald Trump win, and because they are just in general biased towards Democrats, and in part because they were threatened by the Biden White House and the Biden campaign that they shouldn't write about this or talk about it, okay? The press is failing again.
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And we're the top new news in the news category. And again, we couldn't be more grateful to you as we start out here. So thank you for being part of it. And again, you can watch us on YouTube and you can listen to us wherever you get your podcasts, as they say. Today, also grateful to have Charlie Kirk.
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That talking point would shut half these kids up. I apologize for not knowing. Have you taken that position strongly?
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But so. There's lots of other issues in the bill. And as you point out, some are very popular. But but if you're serious about deficit reduction and if you're serious about the books and if you agree with me and Steve Bannon that the politics of saying there's no magic about what the top rate is for the for the people who are in the most.
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It seems like MAGA or you could say, and the president, I think, would be for this based on his public statements, who say, we want to make smart reductions in the Pentagon that the experts say won't hurt our security. We want to go back to pre-COVID spending levels. And so the departments will have to figure out how to accommodate that.
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We want to do smart things about Medicaid that don't hurt beneficiaries who shouldn't be hurt. And in part, we want to fund that by allowing the top rate to rise. That's a package that I think if you support it and your allies support it and said to the president, is that good with you, would happen. So why isn't that happening? And for people who say, just to say, people say this is wonky.
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They failed on this story. They fail on a lot of stories related to Donald Trump too, but I'm talking about this one because right now it's an opportunity that's being missed. read anything, New York Times, Washington Post, watch cable news on the liberal networks. They're not talking with accountability about the press's failure. What's happening now is... Not just a failure of Jake Tapper.
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This is like our future and our kids' future.
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I could talk about this all day long. So right now that's all happening. And I think if MAGA said... whatever else is in this giant bill, we want those provisions, I think he'd have a good chance to pass it and the president would win substantively and politically.
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Shouldn't you be doing that now? It's all happening now.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, complicated. It's not as simple as an up or down confirmation vote.
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So if there's if there's a fight when there's a final vote, say, in the House, which will vote first, if the president supports the bill, will you mobilize on behalf of whatever's in it at that point?
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What you've mobilized the way you've mobilized before, which is if the White House says or the press says these are the eight Republicans who are wavering. Will you go on Twitter and say, dear Congressman so-and-so, you better vote for the president's bill or you'll pay a price the way you've done on other issues?
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We'll talk about Jake Tapper because he wrote the book or co-wrote the book. But he's representative of the entire mindset of my colleagues, which is to blame Joe Biden for what happened and to blame other Democrats for not speaking out. There's a few Democrats like Ro Khanna, the congressman from California, who's being honest and saying, look, I didn't see.
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Yeah. Yeah. Planned Parenthood. I believe this is the case. I've covered them for a long time. Most of what they do is not perform abortions. Most of what they do is contraception testing, including for sexually transmitted diseases. And in a lot of communities, they're the ones doing that stuff. They're providing a big part of the market.
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So wouldn't it be better for the country, I ask a devil's advocate here, wouldn't it be better not to defund them, but to try to figure out a way to fund the things that are useful? Because I assume you think testing for sexually transmitted diseases and- Sure.
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So isn't it a mistake for the country not to kick the politics out of it to try to put them out of business?
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And I think we should be open to that. OK, the San Antonio, we're going to shut down the Planned Parenthood in San Antonio. Let's find out how much of the contraception in San Antonio, how much of the testing in San Antonio is done by that office and then say, all right, before we cut the shut that down, let's find another place and not in the abstract, say maybe there'll be another place.
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Let's find another place and not have any interruption in services.
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A lot of in private of Joe Biden, the decline. But it was obvious. And the party should have asked him, insisted that he step down and not be the candidate earlier than they did. But he's a pretty rare exception. So you've got the Democrats or the media rather blaming Joe Biden and the Democrats for being silent.
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Yeah. I left out mammograms and gynecological and I shouldn't have because that's a big part of what they do.
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I just hope that if anyone who supports getting rid of the Planned Parenthood funding has a really granular understanding of how to avoid interruption of these other services of which they provide a lot. That's all.
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And again, whatever your view of abortion rights or life is, the country elected a pro-life president who talked a lot about this exact point. And so people shouldn't begrudge that, even if you have a principal difference on the public policy and whether there's a constitutional right or not. I want to ask you about history because you and I haven't talked much about it.
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And and you are a student of history. And I just want to get your sense of some of the recent presidents and start with the Democrats. What do you admire about how Bill Clinton performed the job of his president for eight years? What's admirable or or a good a good role model? for president.
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Death penalty also.
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Again, I take your generously phrased point about my being older. that you're looking at this as a historical matter rather than having... Yeah, so I'm looking purely through textbooks, basically. But what would you say are lessons from how the budget was balanced under Bill Clinton that might be germane now?
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And you've got the Democrats, the elected officials, for the most part, blaming Joe Biden. He shouldn't have run. He shouldn't have covered up what he what his decline. And then you've got the Biden team blaming the press and the Democrats. So it's a circle of blame. And I know, it's human nature.
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So maybe the best way for Donald Trump to balance the budget would be to lose the House.
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How did Barack Obama govern as president that you found admirable?
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When you've done something wrong or you're being accused of doing something wrong, what a lot of people do is rather than say, you know what, let me be introspective. Let me think, is this true? Maybe I need to do a hard thing and admit not just a single failure, but years of systematic failure. But human nature for a lot of people is, let me blame someone else.
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Yeah.
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All right. I want the Charlie Kirk thought bubbles on the following. This is the rapid round here. So just like, here we go. What's the thought bubble?
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This would be good. This would be good. Charlie Kirk thought bubble. Marco Rubio wants to be president.
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I understand. We'll go with a prox. Jeanine Pirro, U.S. attorney.
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Is there any ally of the president who's not your friend?
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Really? Wow. Are you thinking of just like one particular person?
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One or two. Are they serving in the administration? One of them is, yeah. Okay. Interesting. We'll have to come back to that next episode. All right. Back to the thought bubble. Six words. The president's team calls and said they want you to spend this weekend at Mar-a-Lago.
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And would you look forward... Which has actually happened before. Yeah, I bet. If you didn't have a family conflict, would you look forward to it?
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Somebody screens your calls, let's say. I know probably mostly you just pick up your cell phone. but somebody screening your calls and they say, it's true. I have my own point. Yeah. But somebody, somebody's, you know, you, you, you hand your phone to somebody cause you're doing something and they're screening it and they pick up and they say, I want the thought bubble.
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Hey, Charlie, it's Roger Stone.
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All right. So would you be happy to hear from Roger?
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Yeah. OK. You look down at your phone and there's a text from Pete Hegseth says, Charlie, I just can't take it anymore. I think I got to quit.
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So the press blames the Democrats and Biden. The Democrat office holders blame Biden. and Biden blames the press and the Democrats. When you're blaming others, you're not being reflective. What I'm asking now is for Democrats to be reflective, but more so, I'm asking people in my profession, or maybe as much. People in my profession need to be reflective, okay? So let's talk about Jake Capper.
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That would be my eyes. Okay. J.D. Vance says, hey, Marco and I are going to the Pope's first mass this weekend. Want to come? Thought bubble.
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Look down at your phone. It's a text, right? It says this. Hey, Charlie, it's Kamala Harris. I got your number. I'm going to be in Phoenix and I would love to get together.
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That would be your thought bubble. I'd only do it on camera. Correct. Yeah. Why? She takes back and say, I want to have I've heard a lot of great things about you. I want to compare notes and at a private dinner.
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OK, a couple more. You get a call and you pick up the phone rings. You don't recognize the number. It's a block number. You pick it up. And the person says, this is Barack Obama. And I would like you to come to Chicago and speak to a group of young student leaders. Yes. Happy to. Absolutely.
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That's that's that's accurate.
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How late do you typically stay up?
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Do you ever wake up in the middle of the night, go to the kitchen and eat?
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Rarely. OK. You wake up in the middle of the night and you're hungry and you go to the kitchen. What's your thought bubble?
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Bananas full of tryptophan. That's true. All right. Last thought bubble, and then we're done. Your accountant says, open your email, your tax returns there, and how much you owe is in there. What's your thought bubble? Well, got to pay it. Yeah. I pay my taxes, so. That's good. That's good as an American citizen. I pay quarterly. Does Arizona have an income tax? I can't remember.
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Grateful to you for making time and love being on with you. And I hope next time your producers say, hey, Halpern wants you back on, your thought bubble will be, absolutely.
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Jake Capper's position and his publisher's position up until this week was, Jake was one of the hard-charging reporters who tried to get to the bottom Of what of Biden's mental acuity decline. OK, now we talked in the previous episode about the ways it was easy to illustrate that that wasn't true.
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He didn't never bring up the topic, but it's clear he was not amongst those determined to get to the bottom of it. The irony is his co-author, Alex Thompson, is one of the few reporters who tried to get the bottom of it. It seems like Jake Tapper and his PR operation decided that was not a sustainable position because the public record was so clear. And again, I'm singling out Jake Tapper.
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uh of turning point uh usa here to join us to talk about everything uh maga and uh what's going on in the country great guy appear on his program regularly and he's returning the favor today and megan mccain will be here and megan and i are colleagues at two-way megan has a great interest in the topic we're going to spend some of our time talking about today which is
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I could point you to the same kind of narrative about almost anyone who covered the White House for the New York Times or the Washington Post, other reporters for CNN. But the reason we're focusing on Jake Tapper is because Jake Tapper's put out a book purporting to hold Biden accountable and tell the full story of the cover-up. So this week, apparently, he decided, well...
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Maybe he wasn't as hard charging in trying to in trying to tell the public about Joe Biden's loss of mental acuity as he claimed to be. So he's got a new strategy. It's a two part strategy. And it's not a strategy about accountability, which is what the press needs.
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The first part of the strategy, OK, is to go from saying I was on the front lines of exposing all this to maybe I could have done better. Here's Jake Tapper on CNN Wednesday morning announcing his new position that he could have done better.
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OK. Now, here's a second change in Tapper's strategy. He's going to cling to people who did try to hold Joe Biden accountable. One is his co-author, Alex Thompson, who again did, one of the few who had professional risk and criticism from the Biden folks did. So then he decides, I'm going to cling to the folks who did good.
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The Wall Street Journal wrote one of the few stories during the campaign about Joe Biden's mental decline. I'm not criticizing the story because at least they tried to write the story. It's hilarious, though, the way that story has been built up as some extraordinary effort. It was pretty weak tea, to tell you the truth. It quoted mostly Republicans, not Democrats.
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And the examples I didn't think were that great compared to what I know and what we could see with our own eyes. So the story should not be criticized. But Jake Tapper also this week, as part of his change in strategy, decided he was going to cling to these Wall Street Journal reporters. And he clung to them so hard he called them heroes.
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So that's Jay Capper talking about this Wall Street Journal story now, saying that it was a disgrace the way Democrats tried to smear the Wall Street Journal reporters. And he's right about that.
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There were plenty of Democrats, including ones at senior levels, who knew full well that Joe Biden was evincing mental acuity decline, who attacked The Wall Street Journal story and the reporters and said it was not well reported. It didn't match with their their experience with Joe Biden. Again, it's like through the looking glass for me because. No one could take their denial seriously.
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This issue of Joe Biden's cognitive decline and how that story was allowed to play out the way it did. Megan has known the Biden family for years and she knows Jake Tapper, the reporter who's one of the two who wrote the new book that's being discussed elsewhere in a year. She knows them both well and she's got strong feelings about it. So Megan will be here to talk about that.
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You didn't need to have private meetings with Joe Biden to see his mental acuity decline. It was on offer many days. He had good days and bad days. So the decline was not as bad as some people said it was, but it was obvious. And it was also obvious from his limited schedule, his failure to do regular press conferences or talk to reporters.
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So Jay Tapper now says this Wall Street Journal story is amazing. These reporters were heroes. OK, that's not what he said when the story came out. OK, their story came out in June of 2024 before the debate. And instead of saying they were heroic back then, what did Jake Tapper do in response to that story?
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He brought on Chris Coons, senator from Delaware, one of Joe Biden's strongest allies in Congress. And he allowed Chris Coons, virtually unchallenged, to attack the journal story.
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OK, so again, it's you got to give your guests an opportunity to say what he or she wants to say. But if you are someone who really shared the point of view of the heroic Wall Street Journal reporters, I would say you push back a lot harder than that. You don't accept the standard Democratic Biden spin of his mental acuity. You don't accept an attack on the heroes. It's not what he did.
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OK, so he he decided in the wake of their story not to have them on. Now, maybe he tried and they refused. But his his his premise not to have a Republican on to say, well, yeah, that's that's true. That's what we see. Not to have voters on who believed, whether they were Democrats or not, that Joe Biden suffered mental acuity.
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His decision back then was to have on one of the president's big President Biden's biggest defenders. And let them let him just, you know, say the story is not true. OK, now he's trying to sell the book right now. His goal is to say you can you can trust me as someone credible to explain the full dimensions of the cover up of Joe Biden's cognitive decline.
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We're going to talk about Joe Biden and this issue of cognitive decline. And I know a lot of people are going to say, why not talk about Donald Trump and all the controversies involving Donald Trump? Those are important and interesting, too. And they're discussed elsewhere. And I'll continue to hold the Trump administration accountable and to cover that.
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Because now that it's safe to book these Wall Street Journal reporters, I'm going to book them on and say. They're heroes. OK, so he has them on the show this week, but he also had them on in July, several days after the debate, after everybody in the country could not turn their eyes away and understood what happened.
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So doesn't have them on when the story comes out, has on a Biden critic and then treats their story more seriously after debate. The press decided to turn and say, well, Joe Biden's no longer useful to us. We'll turn to Kamala Harris to try to beat Donald Trump. OK, so there's there's a there's a credibility issue.
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OK, Jay Tapper is fawning over these Wall Street Journal reporters, acknowledging he should have done more. to try to have the credibility to sell his book.
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So people won't laugh at the notion that someone who was uninterested, patently uninterested in getting to the bottom of Joe Biden's mental acuity decline, to this day, patently uninterested in holding his own network accountable and himself accountable. He says, well, I could have done better. That's a throwaway line. And again, I'd say this about other reporters.
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At least Jake Kappers now said he could have done better. Where's the New York Times saying that about this story? This story matters for credibility. We had a commander in chief with severe mental acuity decline, no access to his doctor, no access to interview him about his health. And the press just let it happen because they didn't want to help Donald Trump win.
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OK, so you can say over and over, you know. Like, trust me, I should have done better. Trust me, I'm embracing these Wall Street Journal reporters. But seriously, seriously, that is not full accountability. That is not explaining the failure.
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And then you've got at CNN, this guy, Brian Stelter, who's their media reporter, who's an ally of Jake Tapper to protect Tapper's image, to enhance Tapper's image. He's got a media newsletter. He's supposed to cover the media. Guy doesn't write about the biggest failure in the history of American media. Instead, he writes about how great Tapper's book is.
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Vance, who's going to be the Democratic nominee. And his interest is not passive. He wants to muck around in the Democratic race. He wants to be a player in figuring out who the Democrats are going to nominate. So Gretchen Whitmer,
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A couple weeks ago, three weeks ago, goes to the White House to try to lobby for different things for Michigan, including support for this air base that needed some federal help. And the president, unbeknownst to her horrible staff work for her team, brings her into the Oval Office. You've probably seen this photo, famous picture of the New York Times stick. Gretchen Whitmer's in the Oval Office.
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Trump's signing executive orders attacking Democrats, okay? And going after his enemies, as many of the executive orders have. And she's in there and Trump talks, appraises her, whatever. She then somehow gets it in her head that she can make herself invisible by holding a blue folder up to her face. So she holds the blue folder up to her face.
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It produced one of the most humiliating political photographs I can recall seeing because she's there in the Oval Office trying to hide the fact that she's in there with Donald Trump. Okay, so that was bad. Now, flash forward to three weeks later. And Trump's going to Michigan to celebrate 100 days in office, give a big speech. She didn't go to that.
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Well, the decision to get rid of Waltz has been percolating for a long time. You'll recall that he led that signal chat group that caused so much controversy and raised questions about his competence.
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She did greet him, though, when he arrived in the state on the tarmac in Michigan, as governors do, even if the president's from the other party. And once again, snookered by Donald Trump, he he comes down the steps of Air Force One. You can see here and and you see Gretchen Whitmer puts out her hand to get a handshake.
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And Trump hugs her and he hugs her in a way that she can't she can't avoid hugging him back, patting him a couple of times on the shoulder. Now, some people say, well, that's great for her. Right. That's great because it shows that she's helping to fight first date. Then later at the event, Trump introduces her and she's not expecting to speak. But once again, bad staff work.
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She's tricked into speaking. Listen to how awkward it is where she basically thanks Trump without saying his name.
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Okay, so if Gretchen Whitmer ends up running for president, the blue folder in front of her face, the handshake, the awkward remarks, it may not matter. She's putting herself in the same camp as Governor Newsom, saying, I'm fine with being nice to Trump when it's in my state's interest.
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Ironically, I think that controversy helped keep Waltz in his job for longer because President Trump didn't want to give a scalp to those like Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic who were saying that what Waltz did violated all sensible procedures.
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But what I see here is not just bad staff work, but not playing at the level required to get through the gauntlet. Now, somebody's going to get through the gauntlet, and if I'm right that that they're all pretty weak, like second grade soccer league, even if all the teams are bad, somebody wins the championship.
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But my caution here, my main message on this is, if you think that it's easy to run for president, and if you think being successful as a governor or a senator or a business person is enough, it's not. Have you been in the national conversation? Have you been talking to people about America? And I don't see it in Gretchen Whitmer, but I don't see it in almost any of these other people.
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And I think Donald Trump is going to do his best to muck around and embarrass and humiliate and taunt all the Democrats to try to figure out how he can weaken the entire party. So his chosen candidate, which I think will be J.D. Vance, will work. All right. Coming up, someone who is discussed as a potential presidential candidate, California Governor Gavin Newsom.
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He is, in fact, very experienced in the national conversation. And it's one reason I think people underrate him as a potential presidential candidate. We're going to talk about how what I hear about Governor Newsom. He hears it, too. Try to dispel some of the myths and maybe break a little news. So stay tuned for California Governor Newsom next up right here.
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What's been going on behind the scenes, and I've been reporting on this for several weeks, is that people in the national security part of the administration at the State Department, Elsewhere in the White House at the National Economic Council, people connected to the highest levels of the West Wing. It wasn't about ideology.
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Welcome back to NextUp. NextUp here, Gavin Newsom, kind of like what you say on your program. Gavin Newsom is a father, former lieutenant governor, former mayor, former supervisor, happens to currently be the governor of California, but for most of America now, he's a leading video podcaster. Governor, welcome. Thank you for making time. I appreciate it.
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What have you learned about life from hosting your program now for a few months?
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I've listened to every episode. I love your show and I love I love what you're doing. And I think I agree with what you're suggesting, that it's nuts. You're not going to use that word probably, but it's nuts the way people have reacted negatively to you talking to people. And and I've enjoyed the ones that have been a little bit catchy and contentious and kind of combative.
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And I've enjoyed the ones that have been friendly. whether you're interviewing Democrats or conservatives. I think it's great. I'd even say it's historic what you've done. And it pains me that you've gotten some of the negative reaction you have because I don't understand what these people think you're supposed to do in America besides talk to people you disagree with and listen.
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Once you and I get a long weekend together, I want to do like Mystery Science Theater and sit and watch them all with you and talk about them. And we're not going to have time to do much, but I want to talk to you about Charlie Kirk. He's someone whose show I've appeared on. He's come on the two-way platform with me.
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It wasn't the question of whether Waltz was too neocon or wasn't on the right side of issues. It was about process and competence. People thought he was too concerned about being in charge and not running a tight ship. The National Security Council staff is not very big. They sit right in the West Wing near the president.
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What would you tell Democrats about how Charlie Kirk has succeeded in his multidimensional thing that he does and the lessons that are there for your party?
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I really mean it when I say people should listen to your show, particularly Democrats. And I would literally want to talk to you about every episode, but we don't have time. Who's the closest in your party now to Charlie Kirk?
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I'm overwhelmed with how much I want to talk to you about. So I'm going to ask you about one small myth, and then I want to talk to you about four big ones. All right. You hear from Republicans all the time, your friend Sean Hannity, that people are leaving California in droves and that you're going to be there, everybody will be gone, and you'll be the last one in the state.
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Tell people the announcement your office made today about the population of California.
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And Waltz is it was considered to be simply not up to the job of managing that daily flow of information. You've got embassies around the world. You've got the Pentagon, the State Department, the Treasuries involved in national security. That was another building, another part of the Trump administration that just said, Walsh simply just can't do the job. Surprising.
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Okay. I don't want to minimize your list, but you also, I think, have more In-N-Out burgers than any other state. And we have more. That's important. All right. So for a big miss, I've known you a long time. We don't know each other well, but I've been so interested in you as a political figure.
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You've done as mayor and as lieutenant governor of government, you've done a lot of interesting and important things. And I listen all day, almost every day to people back east, saying things about you, Democrats, Republicans, very political people, not political people, that just doesn't accord with my conception of you. So I'm going to run through four Gavin Newsom myths.
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And you tell me if you're familiar with them. I bet you are. And just not in a defensive way, but just to tell the truth about what the reality is. And I'm hoping I can just show this to people rather than having to explain it myself every time. So one myth is that you're a crazy liberal, that you're so far to the left, you've governed as a liberal.
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You've always been a liberal and that you've done a few things of late, like with Charlie Kirk, to try to pretend you're more moderate. I just it just that's not true. But explain to people you give yourself a label or not. What do you say about the myth? I say it's a myth that you're you're far to the left of the country.
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Military background, senior intelligence positions on Capitol Hill as a Florida congressman. Very well regarded. But this was seen as a failure even before Singlegate. People were telling me he's not going to be long for the job.
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Well, you were way out ahead of some other of your Democratic friends, including some Californians, on same-sex marriage. And there are some social issues, abortion rights. But there are other social issues, and there's one in the news this week, where you have said your party might be going too far, right?
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Again, I don't want to put words in your mouth. I just want to put a button on this first myth. Is it fair to say that you think in some ways on economics, social issues, maybe issues related to immigration, not every issue, but on some issues, your party's gone too far to the left? Is that fair to say?
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All right. America, meet me at camera one. He's not a crazy liberal. The myth exposed, debunked. Second myth, and I'm just going to say it straight, and I know you've heard the first one. I don't even need to ask you. I know you've heard this one, too. You're an ambitious pretty boy. You're lightweight. Ted Cruz on this program called you the other day incandescently ambitious.
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The reason that this has been delayed besides the president not wanting to give the media the satisfaction of getting rid of his national security advisor is they need someone to take the job. And they've had a difficulty finding someone. They considered a guy from the State Department, Marco Rubio's number two. He's doing such a good job. He's got job luck.
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I'm not going to violate anything by saying you're a handsome man. And there are things about you that are, I'd say, slick in the sense of you're a handsome man. But just head that off. You're not in this as a pretty boy or lightweight. You're a thinker. You're a doer, right? It's a myth to say that you're an ambitious pretty boy who's in politics because it's glamorous.
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Okay. Just to put a button on that one, and I'm not asking you to brag here, but my perception of you is that you could sit down with Bill Clinton or Newt Gingrich or any public official known to be a policy wonk, and you'd have no problem keeping up with them, correct?
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It's not my job to be your spokesman or to defend you. But folks, this is a myth. This is a myth. This is a serious person. And it shouldn't even have to be said. My only recommendation to you is maybe less product in your hair.
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Maybe gain 50 pounds like I did. Do something. Do something. All right. Another myth. This is number three. This will be easy to dispatch. Every day, you'll say, of course he's running for president. Of course. Right? Now, I'm not saying you won't. Yeah. But I know because I know you and I know people who know you. You might not. It's not like you've decided to.
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I'm not trying to make news here because I know it's not a newsy answer. You might, but you're not bound to determine not only not to run in 28. My sense of you is you may never run, right?
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But you have not in your head or said to anyone, I'm going to run. I'm going to run.
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I feel bad for the guy because I think he'd probably like to be national security advisor. But he's not going to get the job, I'm told, because Rubio says, no, he's too valuable helping run the State Department. The person who is front and center to potentially get the job is Steve Witkoff. Now, this is some reporting that I think I'm ahead on also about where this stands.
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And that's the thing I tell people all the time. And I don't want to pry into your personal life. So, of course, you speak to this as much as you wish. I say to people, he's got a wife and kids who I would say are at best ambivalent about your running, mixed feelings. They may not be dead set against it, but if you said, again, you tell me this is right.
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If you went home tonight and said, you know what? I'm not gonna do it. I wanna spend time with you all. They would be delighted. And that's important to you, correct?
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And again, you mentioned your daughter. My understanding is your wife's not crazy about you running for president, correct?
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So just again, to put one more button on this, when people say to me, Gavin Newsom's definitely running. He's so obvious. He's unconditionally ambitious. Of course he's running. What should I say to them?
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Truly, though, not just not just not just not just your lawyers say, don't say.
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I almost try to be the one percent. It's a stupid question to try to get people to announce for president when they don't want to. I just try to put the myth to rest and we have. Last myth is the biggest one we've touched on a little bit, which is that if you did run for president or just as you think about your legacy as we head towards the end of your second and final term,
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People say absolute failure, that the state has been a failure. Now, I've listened to you talk a lot about this. I've read a lot about it. We could spend five hours on it. One thing you've done that's really caught my attention, and I will say, honestly, bothered me a little bit, is that when there have been some issues, you've blamed the mayors or the federal government.
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And you said, well, the mayor of San Francisco, your successor, not doing a good job on the streets. The previous mayor, mayor of L.A., didn't do a good job on fires. And then I've heard you blame Washington. Now, I'm not holding them blameless, but you ran for the job. You know full well what happens in Washington affects the governor. The mayors, you know, are the mayors. So.
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Are you, what would you say you've not done, you, not the state, what have you not done as well as you would have liked to have done?
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Steve Witkoff is a developer. He's a businessman. He's a friend of Trump's. And he is one of the surprises of this term. He's given a senior job. He's basically the negotiator for everything. First, he's negotiating on the Middle East, then he was negotiating on Russia and Ukraine. And his capacity to do this job is celebrated in some cases. They say he's a guy who can get stuff done.
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about the challenges that remain in the state of california so no accountability buck stops here i might as well be the mayor of california not just the governor of california and so from that perspective i want to be bottom of the clear okay i i i interpreted some of the things you said immediately after the fires as critical of the mayor i stand corrected if i'm wrong okay so just to put a button on this because there's one other topic i want to get to if you if if when you whether you run for president or not when you talk about your record
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Okay, again, I'm not going to fact check everything you said, but the point of the button on the myth is... No, I don't have time. The button on the fourth myth is your record of accomplishment in California is substantial. There are things like housing where you're ending your term without accomplishing everything you wanted. Same with homelessness.
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But people who want to say that this is a disastrous governor who didn't get anything done, the record doesn't show that. Governor, some yes, no questions to end with about politics. If Kamala Harris enters the gubernatorial primary, will she be the Democratic nominee?
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But I mean, she's far and away. Will she be the top vote getter for Democrats?
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Okay.
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Yeah, I just I just I've said this all the time. She her Achilles heel. She doesn't like to make difficult decisions under pressure. I think she'd be afraid of losing, even though you think she'd win. And I don't know that she wants to be governor of California. It's a crazy thing. Sometimes people think, well, are they going to run for that office? They should want to do it.
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People say to me all the time, should I run for Senate? I said, it doesn't seem to me you want to be a senator. So you're not sure she's going to run.
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He's got the confidence of the president. He's met with Putin several times, first senior official like that since the war started. So that's like the glass half full view of Wyckoff. But there are a lot of people in not just not just, you know, deep state diplomats and and liberals. There are a lot of people in the government who are very supportive of the president's agenda.
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And would you advise her to run? Would you tell her it's a good job for her?
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Who's the front runner if she doesn't run?
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I want to talk about, I loved what you did with tariffs the other day on your show and on your social media, which is you talk to some real people who are being impacted by the tariffs. My family got an email from a toy star in our neighborhood. It said, toys that used to cost us $10, we're not going to pay $25 for. So tell us which toys you would spend $15 more for, and we'll order those.
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Tell one story of one of your constituents and how they say they're being impacted.
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Today on the program, some breaking news that we broke earlier today on Two Way, where I am editor-in-chief about President Trump's plans to replace his national security advisor. I'll have more details on that. And Gavin Newsom will be here as our guest, a California governor, to talk about what he thinks are the myths related to Gavin Newsom.
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Perfect example. Thank you for that. You've got two or three big ports in your state.
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that's their projection or that's what's happening now?
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I know you don't like the way these tariffs are being done. Are you from the camp like Bernie Sanders who says, tariffs can be very good, but I don't like this set of tariffs this way? Are you against tariffs in general?
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who think Witkoff is in totally over his head. So yesterday, before I got wind of the replacement plan with the National Security Advisor, a story popped up in the New York Post, very negative story about Witkoff, strange place for it to be. The New York Post is not normally doing deep dives on this kind of thing.
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Can I ask you two foreign policy questions or you got to go?
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Okay. China, Xi. The story in the Wall Street Journal says, in fact, there's some truth to the administration's position that China's under pressure now, and they're having consumer issues. Now I got an alarm here, hopefully that'll go off.
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So where is the leverage over China?
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And that's why I'm more concerned. So I say again, where is the leverage? You're doing a good job of explaining why leverage they think they have, the president thinks he has, might not have. Where is the leverage the United States has over Xi in this trade war?
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And had filled with all these negative quotes, going really hard at Witkoff, saying Steve Witkoff is completely unqualified to be at the highest level of American national security. He's doing irresponsible things. He's going to meetings with Putin without his own translator, not really understanding how to do it. It seemed to me like an effort to try to get Witkoff
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I'm not going to press my luck and do the other foreign policy question. It could take too long, and I want to ask you one more thing. I'm grateful to you for your time. Leave aside politics, running for president or not, what are some of your unfulfilled professional ambitions? Not about your family. What are some of your unfulfilled professional ambitions?
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Would you consider, after your term ends, becoming the CEO of my company, Two-Way, that creates authentic community around live conversations?
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Come interview for the job because you are interested in using technology to create authentic community. You've done a lot, and that's what we do. So it's a possibility. I'm looking for a CEO like Bob Iger, and you're as close as I can think of. Is that it? I'm so grateful. So grateful to you for making time. I hope you'll come back.
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Don't check the Apple podcast ratings for my show versus yours because you're number two.
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I understand. You got to keep it going. It's week one for me. And I all week because you and Ted Cruz have both been on. I've been watching you and Ted. You jockey you two. You're very similarly ranked. Is that right?
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at the time to try to get wickoff out of the out of these senior negotiating roles in fact what i'm now told is that story was planted by people who had wind of the fact that trump was about to replace waltz with whitcoff and want to stop him from getting the job now he's got a lot of supporters in the west wing there are a lot of people who think he's doing a great job and would be fine having him as be national security advisor but there are other people who don't want it to happen
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Totally. I've got a ton of feedback for people who said, I think of Ted Cruz in a different light because he said that and how strongly they feel. So I'm grateful for you making time. I look forward to watching you run through the tape. I'll say again, I'm not your spokesman. There are things I could say negative, but those four myths, I'm sure they drive you more crazy than they drive me.
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And I'm glad we got to address them.
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Welcome back to NextUp. Thank you for being with us here now to talk about California, two lifetime Californians, both named Jessica. And they're meeting here for the first time. Couldn't be more excited to have you both here. Jessica Milan Patterson was the chair up until recently of the California Republican Party.
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And Jessica Reed Krause is, I'm told to say you're an independent journalist, but I think of you more as a voice of a generation. How about that? You're both moms and you're both super interested in in America and in your state. So let's talk. Let's start with California, which we talked to Governor Newsom about.
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And I'll have to figure out how to nickname you, Jessica P. What's the state of California from your point of view right now? How's it going? Because it's a great state, has a thriving, huge economy. What's sort of your state of the state of California?
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JRK, as I sometimes call you, kind of like RFK. What do you love, and your four boys and your husband, what do you guys love about California? What's still great from your point of view about California?
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The president faced a choice whether to delay the decision to get rid of Waltz, which again was being called for by lots of people around him, until they could find the candidate, or fire him and leave the job basically open or have Waltz do it until they find a replacement and try to find a replacement. This is so common.
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Yeah, you both are. And for me, it's always so interesting to talk to people who are unhappy with the Democratic rule in Sacramento, who see the state having huge challenges on housing, on homelessness, on transportation. And yet you guys love the state. You guys haven't left. And I find that even conservatives who are unhappy with governance can write poems about how much they love California.
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And I feel like you two sort of feel that way, as we say on the internet. Am I right? You both are passionate about California.
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Why can't Silicon Valley produce a governor? Why can't some genius, really rich person with great advertising and communication skills come in and fix this state?
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Not just for Donald Trump, who's not the best at personnel, but for any president, which is OK, we've got to get rid of a person X, but we don't have the replacement. So I think what happened today and I'm not sure about this because I didn't ask my sources, but I confirm this story after the initial tip really easily. Real easily, right? So for a reporter, normally you get a tip.
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Jessica, do you have anybody in mind you'd love if you could just make someone governor? Is there anybody you have in mind?
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Yeah, I think somebody different could have a great chance to win. You do. How would you rate Vice President Harris's chances of being the next governor? If she does run, do you think she's the front runner? Good chance? Bad chance? How do you guys see that?
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But you think if she runs, she's the favorite, not just to the nomination, but to win?
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I agree. Jessica, do you find her appealing at all?
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I don't think she's going to run myself. I think she's too indecisive. That's her big Achilles heel. I've long said she doesn't like to make tough decisions under pressure. And I think the deadline's coming up too quickly. And I think there's two things. When is the deadline? Well, she said she's going to decide by summer. End of summer, they said last night.
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But here's the thing about Kamala Harris. I think she'd be afraid of losing, and I'm not sure she wants to spend the next four years in Sacramento. So it's like, if you think you might lose, and if you think you don't really want the job, I just can't imagine she's going to pull the trigger and say, now I'm going to subject myself to this.
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Yeah, but he was there as lieutenant governor. Yeah, California governors spend a lot of time in L.A. and elsewhere, but you can't spend no time in Sacramento. And you've got to do the job and you have to deal with the legislature. And your legislature, I wouldn't say it's the most unpleasant to deal with in America, but it's right up there.
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Yeah. I want to ask you about the Trump administration. I was thinking about, well, what do I want to talk to the Jessicas about? I thought it's going to be like saying, let's talk about the Bible. Like there's a lot of stories in this administration, right? A lot going on and themes and people.
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So I want to start with something I know Jessica Reed Krause is super interested in, which is Maha and Bobby Kennedy. Jessica, what are your thoughts about how it's going so far? What's going well with Maha? What do you wish was going better?
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Sometimes it can take hours, sometimes days to get a second source. I got my second and third source almost as quick as I could dial up some additional people. Here's what I think happened. It's my speculation, but I think I'm right. The people who wanted Waltz out and don't want Witkoff in couldn't come up with another candidate, but they wanted Waltz out.
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Stay with you for a second. Is there anything you wish was happening faster or that he was doing differently or you're just basically happy with the whole thing?
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David Meckstroth, Jr. : Just other JESSICA i've been a believer in the power of the Maha movement for a long for since since he's ran as originally as a democrat. David Meckstroth, Jr.
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: Do you have a sense of of can you characterize characterize quality quality quality, how big is it how big is its potential, not just to change the health of our kids and our in our country, but to real realign our politics.
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They didn't want to let the president change his mind because sometimes Donald Trump will change his mind. And so what I think happened is they said, let's put out the story that waltz has gone. That'll force the president's hand. The president won't have the excuse of saying, well, I can't get rid of them until we have the replacement. And so I'm not saying I was used.
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Again, we're talking to Jessica Milan Patterson, former chair until just recently of the California Republican Party, and my friend, Jessica Reed Krause, who I call voice of a generation. If you don't subscribe to her sub stack or follow her on Instagram, you're making one of the biggest mistakes of your life. That's that simple. Ladies, I want to talk about the administration again more.
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Leave out the president. Leave out the vice president and leave out Bobby Kennedy, because I know Jessica has her ties there. Jessica, read first. Who would you like to have dinner in the Trump administration and why?
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Yeah. And why? Susie Wiles. Tell us. Tell us why.
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Yeah, out there.
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I felt so fortunate that I knew her not super well, but I knew her a little bit before she became famous back in the 2016 campaign. And she is a super interesting person. I agree. Jessica, Mom, Patterson, who would you choose and why?
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If I can book her for dinner with the four of us, would you guys come to?
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If anyone could do it, it's you. So I've been wanting to have dinner with Susie and she's very busy. Like, you know, she's constantly in demand as the chief of staff. So I'm going to use the leverage because she probably would rather have dinner with you two than with me. So stand by. Susie, if you're watching, let's have dinner for four. You know what? She can choose where we go.
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She's not a big sushi person, I think so. Whatever Susie wants, we're there. Whatever Susie wants. Okay, that sounds good. Who in the administration would you like to give some advice to? If you could speak to one person and tell them what you think they need to do better or differently, who would it be and what would you tell them, starting with you, Jessica Milan-Patterson?
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I might have been rented to say, let's put this out. Let's let's force the president to do what he's committed to doing, getting rid of Waltz. And then he'll find someone. I don't know whether Whitcow is going to end up in the job based on this reporting I've done so far. I don't think so. I think he's got some strong supporters, but I think there's some opposition.
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Just constructive advice. Doesn't have to be. Yeah. Yeah.
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All right, Jessica, other Jessica, who would you give advice to and what would it be?
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Yeah, also good. In terms of media, Jessica, you provide you produce so much incredible content. um to to keep up with what's going on in not just our politics but in our culture and in and in uh parenting etc uh jessica recross what are things you read or listen to or watch besides this program that you would recommend to people what are some things that you you find like guides for media
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Yeah, but media broadly defined, like to be a good citizen, to understand what's going on, not just with the Trump administration, but with our culture, science, medicine, raising kids, what are things that are important to you to understand?
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Do you read like the Wall Street Journal or the LA Times? Do you read stuff like that?
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Right. Okay. Other Jessica, what are, what are, what is in your media diet that you would recommend to other people?
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But the important thing is that the president's either his hand was forced or people didn't want to wait around to see. Didn't want to wait around to see whether he would follow through because sometimes Donald Trump follows through on personnel stuff and sometimes he doesn't. I'll keep covering the story. I'll have more on two way tonight to talk about it. And of course, we'll keep tracking it.
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Let me ask you about that. Would you guys like the government to play a bigger role in regulating social media? Is that something you'd like to see?
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Are your kids on social media now?
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They do not have phones. Not even access to YouTube?
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KidsTube. All right. Jessica, your youngest boy is how old?
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All right. So we're at the same age. How do you feel about government regulation of social media?
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I want to close by talking a little bit more about the administration. And Jessica Reed Krause, one of your great gifts is you not just see glamour, but you're able to put it in sharp relief, whether it's in your writing or in video or photos. What's glamorous to you about this Trump term?
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Follow me on social media as well for my reporting on that. All right, the other thing I want to talk to you about before we talk to Gavin Newsom is about presidential politics, okay? Lots of you are super interested in it. You can't get enough of saying who's going to be the next president or who's going to be the next nominees of the major parties. On the Republican side, I think J.D.
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What are you pointing to besides the first lady who is objectively glamorous? Is it the cabinet members? Is it the vibe? What's glamorous about it?
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Oh, okay. The comic in chief. He's underrated as a comedian. I agree with you. Other Jessica, you like glamor too. Maybe not spend too much time on it.
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What would you say to Democrats or independents who don't like this administration and seem closed off to not just enjoying what you all you both see in terms of glamour, but being supportive of their agenda? What would you say to them to convince them to be more open minded?
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I think there's some myths that are pretty important that I want to see what he thinks.
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Vance is in a very strong position. The Democratic side's wide open, right? They don't control the White House.
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Great. Both Jessicas, I couldn't be happier to have you on second episode, and I hope you'll come back and, as we say, make California great again. Whoever the next governor is, I hope they give your kids and your families a great state to live in and address some of the problems that are clearly still bothering a lot of folks. But thank you both for being here.
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uh were past the period of of clinton's obama's biden right those three families those three uh uh dynasties have taken up a lot of room and now the question is who's it going to be in 2028 and one of the great joys i have is covering presidential politics one of the great frustrations i have is everybody thinks they know and i'm here to tell you again with humility uh and and confidence born from
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All right. Those are the two Jessicas. When we come back, I'll close things out on NextUp right after this. Thanks for watching this week's Next Up. I'm very grateful to you. We'll see you next week again. We're on Tuesdays and Thursdays on podcast platforms and on YouTube. You can like and subscribe pretty much anywhere you want.
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Grateful to Governor Newsom and the two Jessicas and to you for watching. We'll see you for season one, episode three on Tuesday.
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And with us to have a roundtable conversation, my two favorite Jessicas from California, Jessica Blahn-Patterson, who until recently was the chair of the California Republican Party, and the great Jessica Reed Krause, sub-stacker and Instagrammer extraordinaire, will talk about the state of the Golden State and what they think of what's happened so far in the Trump administration.
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having done this for decades and having not only spent time with everybody who's become president during my career before they were president, sometimes well before, but also studying the history and saying from Reagan forward, what does it take? What does it take to get the nomination and to win the White House? And I think there's one factor to me that is more important than any other one.
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And it's so underrated. And people look, people say, oh, it's going to be Wes Moore or it's going to be Governor Beshear of Kentucky. And I really think people are off track, people in the Democratic Party. And I say respect. I don't know the Democrats are going to win or lose the White House. I don't know who they're going to nominate.
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But understanding the universe of possible people, my track record on that, again, I say with humility, it's pretty good. I don't always know who's going to be the nominee, but I generally know who's not. going to be the nominee. And that's primarily because of this one factor is who understands how to play at this level, what I call being part of the national conversation.
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People say shocking that Donald Trump got the nominee nomination. No way he could possibly get it. And if you go back and look at the record, I had a sense he could get it because even though he wasn't in politics as a as a candidate, he was part of the national conversation for decades. meeting people, talking to voters, politicians, donors, activists, leaders in business.
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Having that experience gives you a base of knowledge and an understanding of the country, but it also gives you a sense of how to perform, okay? I want to talk about why I'm skeptical about some of the current Democrats who are talked about as possible candidates. But first I want to show you what I consider kind of like the gold standard in some ways of this question of what does it take, okay?
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People say, well, if you go back to the 2008 cycle, no one knew in 2005, which is the equivalent of the year we're in now in the four-year cycle, that Barack Obama would be the nominee. So who could have possibly known? Many people.
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Because when he was at Harvard Law School, when he ran for the Senate in 2004, when he gave the keynote address at the Democratic Convention in 2004, duh, everybody said, this guy's a super talent. Maybe he won't win in 2008, but you couldn't rule it out that he could be the nominee, even up against Hillary Clinton and other people who were more established.
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He was part of the national conversation, not for decades. Policy, press, ideas. And I say to people all the time about Barack Obama. He did something in the period from 2004 when he gave that keynote address in Boston at John Kerry's convention through 2008 when he beat Hillary Clinton and then beat John McCain. He had showed such great skills.
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And when I say to people, it's a simple three-part test. Can you go on a late-night comedy show? Can you go on Monday Night Football or some big sports venue? And can you go on a high-profile news interview and ace them all? And I'm going to show you Barack Obama acing them all. The Today Show, Monday Night Football, and a late-night comedy show, Letterman. And imagine...
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Wes Moore or Governor Beshear of Kentucky or Gretchen Whitmer. Imagine them acing it the way Barack Obama did. Take a look.
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I'm also going to talk about running for president and what I think is important to think about if you want to be a pro handicapper, particularly for the Democrats in 2028. So thank you for being here. Let's get started. First news I broke earlier today.
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So tonight, I'd like to put all the doubts to rest. I would like to announce to my hometown of Chicago and all of America that I am ready. For the Bears to go all the way, baby. Met the president?
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I mean, again, you might you might not like Barack Obama. You might think he was a horrible president, but that's a star. Right. That is poised in three different kind of venues. Now, some of these prospective candidates, maybe they could do well on The Today Show or maybe they could do well on Monday Night Football or late night.
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Waltz OUT as NSA... Could Witkoff Be Next Up? Plus, Gavin Newsom on Why He's Not a "Crazy Liberal"
Welcome in, everybody. This is season one, episode two of NextUp. Thank you for watching. We are doing quite well on the Apple podcast ratings. Very grateful to folks for listening to us on your favorite podcast network and platform and for watching on YouTube. Thank you for being part of helping us launch NextUp. We couldn't be. more grateful.
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Waltz OUT as NSA... Could Witkoff Be Next Up? Plus, Gavin Newsom on Why He's Not a "Crazy Liberal"
But I don't see any of them, I wouldn't have confidence in any of the three of them at that level of performance. And it's likability, it's confidence, but it's also an understanding of what these different venues are. And of course, now today, there are way more venues than there used to be. There's this program, there's Megan's program, there's so many different programs people can go on.
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But you still have to understand the national conversation. You have to understand America. So we talk about some of the people who are discussed now as prospective candidates. And I'm going to tell you about my skepticism. It extends to the whole field. Gavin Newsom will be here later. Arguably, of all the people talked about for running,
Next Up with Mark Halperin
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The two Californians, Gavin Newsom and Kamala Harris, are the two with the most experience in this realm being part of the national conversation. OK, so I'm least skeptical about them on that measure, although I'm skeptical about them both for other reasons. But all these other people.
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Governor Shapiro, Pennsylvania, Cory Booker, who's run before, they just don't have this level of experience, whether it's over a long period of time like Bill Clinton and Donald Trump or a very concentrated way like George W. Bush and Barack Obama. They just don't have that. So Gretchen Whitmer, governor of Michigan, big state, talked about as a potential candidate for a while.
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talked about potentially being running mate for Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. And again, I got nothing against her. She's obviously a talented politician. Being able to get elected governor of Michigan, that alone is a huge feat. But the gap between even a mega state and running for president successfully, again, it's massive. Gretchen Whitmer knows a lot of people, I bet she thinks.
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what we like to call a worldwide exclusive, President Trump, after a long period of consideration, is getting rid of his national security advisor, Mike Waltz, who came in to the job with an incredible reputation. When President Trump named him national security advisor, many people said this was a great sign that Trump 2.0 was picking adults and pros.
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Gretchen Whitmer thinks, well, I survived a lot of controversies, a lot of pressure situations. Case study, Gretchen Whitmer, COVID. She was governor during COVID. A huge test for anybody in elective office. A lot of pressure. Pressure from business, pressure from parents, pressure from public health officials. I watch Gretchen Whitmer closely.
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And again, I'm using her as a case study, but I think what I'm saying about her applies to everybody else who I see named as a possible candidate. Even Pete Buttigieg, who served in the cabinet, okay? Here's Gretchen Whitmer during COVID, okay? A couple of things happened that just really stayed with me.
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First of all, Gretchen Whitmer's husband during COVID wanted to take his boat out, was against the rules to go take your boat out. Purported Northern Michigan boat launch request fuels controversy for Whitmer from the Detroit News. Then 108 New York Times, okay? Michigan governor says husband request was quote, failed attempt at humor.
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Her husband basically said, I'm gonna get my boat out because I'm the governor's husband. Again, just bad judgment. You could say, well, that's a one-off. You know, he lost his head. He really wanted to go out in the boat. Also during COVID, Gretchen Whitmer decides, even though there's a travel ban. People said you shouldn't be traveling out of state.
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Gretchen Whitmer decided to travel out of state three times in six months during COVID, at least once to go visit her mom, understandable. But this is not the ancient history. This was not that long ago. It's not just bad judgment, but it demonstrates a lack of awareness of what it takes to do this thing under excruciating pressure.
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Now, I will tell you something that hasn't been reported as far as I know. Donald Trump is incredibly interested in presidential politics generally. He's super interested in the 2028 race, and his bandwidth is crazy. You would think, well, he's got more other things to worry about as president. He does, but he's really interested in who's going to be the Republican nominee, probably J.D.
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I'm glad to be here and grateful to you for coming on. Bill Clinton used to joke that when he grew up in Arkansas, the only way people could make money was by taking each other's wash and do everybody's laundry. I like I like a world where I'm on your show and you're on mine. I'm grateful to you.
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President Trump has a different attitude about national security, foreign policy, and America's role in the world than the establishment presidents who preceded him. There are bits of it that are Reagan-esque in terms of his philosophy, bits that may be like Bush 41 or Bush 43, maybe a little even like, dare say, Barack Obama or Bill Clinton.
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But it's distinctive, and it matches the aspirations of his movement, which is what propelled him into office. I think that that I call it as a bumper sticker. I call it speak loudly and carry a small stick, but a stick that you'll use effectively. He does. He doesn't want he doesn't want foreign entanglements.
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And he's, you know, unlike his predecessors and his successor, he did not put American troops on the ground in vast numbers in a way that not just imperiled the lives and treasures of Americans, but America's credibility around the world. I think he has a pretty keen understanding of what's possible. And the MAGA movement, you know, they don't want to they want America to be feared, respected.
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They want America to be ready to defend our national interests, but they don't want extended ground wars. They don't want unwinnable entry to unwinnable conflicts. And they want to partner with people in a way that makes the lives of Americans and other countries better.
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I looked at the speech yesterday as kind of the Middle East equivalent of the landmark speech Vice President Vance gave in Europe, saying to these countries, like, forget the past, forget the status quo. Forget the expectations that we've all been locked into. Let's think anew about making the planet better, even if we have to make some hard choices or choices that offend some people.
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And that's not that's not what previous presidents said. And again, it's a reflection of the MAGA movement.
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Yeah, we talked about that on two way this morning because I'm a I'm a I'll pat myself on the back. I'm a very sophisticated student of the media and of how they cover presidents and how they cover this president. It is always the case that foreign trips don't get covered as much as any White House thinks it will or thinks it should.
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Always the case. The time zones are different, right? The American people, it's quite clear, just aren't as interested in foreign stories as they are stories at home. They don't see the relevance of it. So we get all caught up in the photo ops and who's in the room.
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I thought the photo op of the receiving line that the president did with the Saudi leader was one of the most interesting pieces of television I've seen. I would spell that. But most people don't care. So that's part of it. There's hostility to covering anything that's favorable to Donald Trump, and I think the trip's going well so far. But I'm baffled.
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I raised the question with my colleagues, Sean and Dan, on the morning meeting. Like, I don't get why there's so little coverage. I woke up thinking it would be the lead story in The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal. I thought they'd do a lot of quoting of experts about what this means, but it was crickets. Same on most of cable TV, most of the news.
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You know, they're covering... You know, the various trials and sports and other things. So I can't really adequately explain it, although I will say this. It was filled with news. It was filled with insight into how President Trump sees the world. And I think for some news organizations, that's just a little too subtle.
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Yeah, yeah. You know, I think the main way to think about it is – If you said to Donald Trump, it's never been done like that before, or Republicans have never done this before, he'll say, great, not the way some of these advisors mean it, like, well, we've not done this before. I'll say it was true in the Clinton White House, too.
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They had the same, when they came in originally, they had the same outsider attitude. And people in the establishment White House press corps, and I was new to the White House press corps, they'd say to the Clinton folks, well, it's never been done like this. And the Clinton people would say, good, good.
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And that's the attitude this administration has, maybe even more so than in the first term, because they know more and they know the sands of the hourglass are going by fast. I think that this is arguably the biggest mistake the media makes about covering Donald Trump, because they're constantly characterizing the things he's for as red meat for the extreme MAGA base.
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He's generally for popular things. And there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, you could argue that's what presidents and people in public office should be. Presidents in the past have known the American people think they pay way too much for prescription drugs, sometimes a shocking price tag, but but always higher than people pay in other countries.
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And so President Trump, again, the details are not fleshed out. It may not work. But President Trump has had the courage, unlike his predecessors, to say to big pharma, sorry. Time's up. Time's up for you to charge Americans way more than anybody else. Time's up for you to use lobbying and campaign donations and negative ads to intimidate politicians.
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If this were Barack Obama, that story would have been covered like he was a hero and it wasn't. But it's it's dramatic change. Same with the Middle East. You know, Donald Trump is not afraid to do new things and he's not afraid to do things and then change his mind again. The press and his detractors characterize that as chaos and backing down and weakness or lack of focus or planning.
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Donald Trump's fine to say on Monday, you know what, I'm going to build lemonade stands on every block. Every block is going to have a lemonade stand built by the federal government.
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And then he's fine to on Friday to say, yeah, you know, we're not going to build lemonade stands because something's happened in the interim that's made him say we don't need lemonade stands built on every block by the government. He's fine with that. And he and his people, they don't care if the press theater theater criticisms that and says, oh, my God, what a disaster this is.
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Trump's Epic Saudi Speech
Right. So on every president, when you do it, when you plan a foreign trip, you have what are called deliverables, which are negotiated by the staff in advance because you don't want to make it up on the fly. And you want to be able to say it was worth the taxpayers money is worth the president's time to go on this trip because we've got we've got these things.
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Most of the deliverables we know are coming, and some have already come from Saudi, are investment commitments. Now, they're a little nebulous to say what counts as an investment. And we've seen in the past, particularly from this region, folks making commitments that don't come through.
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So there'll be some of that, and some of it we'll be able to tell with a trained eye is more real than others. But there are other rumors. My prediction based just on body language is maybe we'll see Abraham Accord too. Maybe we'll see a peace deal of some sort between Saudi Arabia and Israel, even though the president's not currently planning to go to Israel.
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So I would be surprised if there weren't some additional deliverable that is out of the blue.
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uh because donald trump is a showman and he knows he needs to feed the beast every day with some something interesting and we've seen that so far in the first day in saudi we'll see what comes in terms of going to turkey um if putin really goes and i don't think he will and you know we're 24 hours away here or less but if putin went i think the president would be tempted to go and the secret service would find it crazy and nuts but i think he'd be tempted to go he'll say come on yeah but yeah but if but if putin doesn't go and i get out my senses putin won't go i you know he sent secretary of
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Rubio and some other senior officials. I think that'll be sufficient. It does, whether Putin goes or not, the drift of this of the last 10 days has been Putin is the obstacle more than Zelensky.
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And so the president's going to have to figure out if Putin doesn't go with Zelensky saying he'd go and the president's urging the talks to take place, even though to get that they had to drop the precondition of a ceasefire before talks, which is what Zelensky has wanted the U.S. and Europe have been supportive of.
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I think I think we're going to finally reach maybe not the last moment of truth, but a pretty significant one where the president's going to have to say Putin doesn't really seem to want to actually end the war. OK, if that's the case, if we've reached that conclusion, what are our options? And the options aren't great.
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But but that's when the president will have to say, are we walking away or doing something? Well, that's it.
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I agree that he had reason to think that that's where public opinion is. That's where the president has been. But it's going to be a moment of truth. Now, as you know, in the last couple of weeks, the U.S. has sent some additional military capability to Ukraine. The Europeans might step in and Putin might be surprised that if Americans won't do it, the Europeans will. So I think it's complicated.
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Trump's Epic Saudi Speech
But but sanctions seem like a possibility and maybe a combination of sanctions and European military aid might might. be used to try to create a different condition. But there's no doubt that the thing about Putin and Xi and Netanyahu, and Netanyahu is in a different category, but for the purpose of my, what I'm about to say, they're the same. They understand American politics really well.
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And they know how to leverage the limits on any president, including this one, of public opinion for what they can do to try to deal with a thorny international problem.
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Well, this is another thing that would be brilliant politics. I think Steve Bannon thinks would be brilliant politics. He tried to get Trump to do this in the first term. Newt Gingrich, who's also very smart and very influential with the president, thinks it's a horrible idea. And most Republicans in Congress do. So I don't think it'll happen.
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You know, my view as an analyst, I'm not I'm not advocating either way. But as an analyst, there's nothing magical about what the top rate should be. Right. what anybody's rate should be, whatever income bracket you're in. So I get that Republicans kind of have a biblical opposition to anybody's taxes ever going up. But there's two strong arguments for it.
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One is it takes away the Democrats' main argument, which polls suggest has some effectiveness, that Republicans are trying to cut taxes for the wealthiest to pay for cutting social programs to pay for tax cuts for the wealthiest. And second, it makes the math add up a lot easier for Republicans to come in under the necessary budget restraints to try to do some deficit and debt reduction.
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So I think the stronger argument on the politics and the substance is to let the top rate for the wealthiest rise. But There's there's a lot of opposition to it. So we've seen the president take pretty much every position for it, against it, and then open to it if Republicans want to do it. And that was his last public comment. I don't think it's going to happen.
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But again, I agree with Steve Bannon. The politics of it seem obvious to me.
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Well, you know, this is boring to most people. It does affect everybody's taxes and what the government will spend money on. So it's important. But the process of it is not that great. I will say, as an aside, one of the, I think, undercovered brilliant Trump branding things is calling it one big, beautiful bill. Because I think for most people, that seems more understandable than reconciliation.
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It's true. It's – so I'd say to delve a little bit into the process, Congress never acts unless it absolutely has to and sometimes not even then. They need what's called a forcing mechanism, and we're still waiting to find out exactly when the government will run out of money, where the debt ceiling has to be raised, another boring process thing, but one that's super powerful.
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And I think an undercover portion is – The president and the speaker and the Senate leader have gotten their members of Congress to agree. Republicans are going to raise the debt ceiling without getting Democratic votes because Democrats won't vote for this big, beautiful bill, the reconciliation bill. So that's one thing is when is that deadline?
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Because until we have that deadline, everybody's going to want to continue to negotiate and bargain. And then second is you have to please everybody. And there are some people like people who want the so-called salt state and local tax deduction changed who say they're absolutely not going to vote for it unless they get exactly what they want.
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At some point, the speaker, the president, the Senate leader need to get in a room with these folks or on the phone with them and say, this is as good as it gets. We have slim majorities in both chambers. You have to vote for it.
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So I think the question is, who are the holdouts who aren't going to listen at what they want to be the final moment to that argument and really are willing to take the country and the party over a cliff? There are some going to be like that. And we just don't know who those are yet.
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So those are two things I'm watching is when's the actual deadline and which one, which people amongst the 30 or so in both chambers who say there are holdouts unless they get exactly what they want. which ones actually had, you know, pardon the metaphor, suicide vests strapped to their bodies and are willing to pull the cord if they don't get what they want.
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Yeah. Well, next year would be the midterms and whether he can keep the majorities, probably can keep the Senate. And I'm more bullish on the House than a lot of people, including some people in the White House who are very worried about losing the majority there. And, of course, losing the majority is everything because Democrats with the gavel can do investigations and impeachment, et cetera.
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I think in the shorter term before November of 26, two things I'm watching. One is. Can he can he not be hampered by the Supreme Court? We still don't have any decisive decisions, but a lot of the stuff he's doing now is very dramatic, very change oriented. The Supreme Court could strike it down. And and that could be any range of things and the other courts, too, but mostly the Supreme Court.
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So what are the courts going to do? And then the other thing is passing this big bill. If this big bill passes, it's a massive accomplishment. It achieves a lot of the president's domestic agenda. And you have to think about the alternative, although I do think it's likely to pass, almost certain to pass, because failure is not an option politically.
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If it does fail and they can't revive it, if it could fail and then they could revive it, that's a big crisis for the president.
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Looking forward to it. Thank you, sir. Good to see you.
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I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
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The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
Thanks for having me back, but I need to say I'm a bit angry.
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Read you from my wristband. My video podcast host went to Greenland and all I got was this lousy wristband. Dude, you brought me nothing. You brought me literally nothing.
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Okay, that'd be better than this crummy wristband.
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Not a joke, by the way. I'll see you there. I'll be at the VIP lounge with you.
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I won't tell you which one, but it's named after a very prominent conservative Republican president. I think you're at Reagan if I was there.
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I think he will unless there's a bunch of Republicans who secretly have said they're going to vote no and they're just being encouraging at the hearings to avoid conflict with MAGA. Democrats, I think, have done a pretty good job, better than the opposition party typically does, of having their topics organized and focusing pretty well on the things they wanted to bring out.
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But there's no bombshell. As far as we know, there's no star witness. The chairman's holding firm has just reported no additional rounds of questioning. And nothing the Democrats did because the witness was very well prepared. He didn't lose his temper. He didn't say things he shouldn't have said. He didn't create damaging soundbites. He was a case study.
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Just as his team was a case study in November and December to get him to this point, he was a case study and had to handle tough questioning. And none of the Republicans seem the least bit concerned on the committee. Now, Senator Cox from Utah said this morning that he's undecided. And if people's suspicion that Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins might vote no means the committee may be misleading.
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The committee is pretty supportive in the main. And the candidates to vote no are largely not on the committee. So I don't think he's out of the woods yet, but I do think it appears he'll get a favorable vote in the committee. And then once he's on the floor, I think President Trump can put down a fair amount of pressure if there is any effort to stop that.
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I think three things happened that changed the direction of the slate. First of all, you and your colleagues made it clear and people try to cast this as something evil and dark. It just made it clear that there'd be accountability for those who didn't support the president's nominees. And I think some of the senators got that message.
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They're not interested in going against the energy of the party. Number two, I think the team's geared up, right? When you're nominated for something, you get a Sherpa, you get a press aid, you get a small team of folks, usually a former senator, to help guide you through the process and interact with the Senate offices.
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And I think those teams weren't necessarily up and running in every case, and now they are. And I think they've hired really good people for that. Finally... you know, if you look at the sum total besides Pete Hegson, there haven't been big revelations about Tulsi Gabbard, about Bobby Kennedy, about, I'm blanking on his name, the FBI nominee, Kash Patel. There just haven't been revelations.
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And so it's easy for the senators and for folks like you to say, these are old stories. You know, we're moving on. We're focused on the positive. So I think those three things have combined to create a very positive situation.
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And last, I'll just say, and I've reported this before, and I know you know it, the level of communication between Mar-a-Lago, folks like you, the senators who are most supportive, Senator Thune, it's remarkable. The text change and the constant communication to be right on top of any weak points is just a model for how this stuff works.
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And the Democrats really are not in a position to match that now.
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Yeah. I mean, you know, in the olden days when I was your age, we had war rooms. Right. And people sat in there with analog telephones and no email. And, you know, you were you were rapid responsive. You wrote and sent out a blast text within half an hour. You all are 24-7 online on phones primarily able to and consuming a lot of income.
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disqualifies you from serving in this role. Now, I've been trying to get answers from you for quite some time on this. You haven't wanted to meet or to answer any of my questions. So we'll just have to do it here and dive in. I want to pick up on some of the questions asked by Senators Sheen and Gillibrand and Hirono.
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So if Elizabeth Warren writes an 80-page letter saying, here are all my questions, it's not like the next afternoon you all are up and running and figuring out what, if anything, do we need to do about this. It's instantaneous analysis, communications, decision-making, execution. And it's with a group of people who are all very, very online and who have a metabolism.
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Not everybody's metabolism is quite as great as yours for this stuff, but most everybody is. And I think people like you and Elon Musk and Steve Bannon kind of set the pace for others and cause others who might have more children or need more sleep or interested in spending three hours with a football game to say, hey, you know, I can't do that right now. It's a critical period.
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For the revolution. So we need we need to be up and running and keeping pace with the guys and gals who set the pace, which is, again, very online, very 24 seven. I'm pretty online. I'm pretty 24 seven. But but you all are doing it in a very tribal, coordinated way. That is that is, you know, again, the Democrats just aren't matching that right now.
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And that's an advantage because these things move quickly.
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Do you have a thought? It's almost like I'm on those text chains with you, isn't it?
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I'm working on an article now, hopefully I can finish it soon, about Donald Trump's second term is the greatest mulligan of all time. The conditions under which he will enter office is so different than eight years ago. And you're citing one example that's so fascinating because it involves human beings. Donald Trump loves wealth. He loves success. He loves trophies, human trophies.
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And I just want to make sure we have a list of some of the facts that I think are undisputed. I'm not going to talk about anonymous sources. I'm just going to quote you directly. We've got the video. We've got it in print.
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And he loves having relationships with powerful people. And you're right. Elon's not a surprise at this point. But Elon hasn't always been supportive of Donald Trump.
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Yeah, so we've eased into that one, right? The other two, we've eased into as well, right? Zuckerberg has been to Mar-a-Lago at least twice that we know of. He brought gifts. It was reported today he's trying to settle for cash, potentially, the suit Donald Trump has against Facebook.
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And Bezos a few months ago, maybe a few weeks ago, I guess months ago now, made some at a New York Times event, made some publicly supportive comments. Look, part of it is purely cynical. They don't want the federal government to come after them, and being close to Donald Trump is the best way to protect their interests. But part of it is patriotism.
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Part of it is respect for what he's accomplished, not just surviving being shot, but the greatest comeback in modern American political history. And part of it is Trump's desire to really rely on the private sector for a lot of the successes that he wants to have. And he's welcomed these folks to Mar-a-Lago. He's met with them. And they're not the only ones. They're obviously prominent.
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The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
They're amongst the richest people in the world and run businesses that are unparalleled in human history. But there are lots of CEOs who've been to Mar-a-Lago and who welcome the opportunity to be at the table. And as you know well, Donald Trump is not a big texter and a big emailer. You want to be in his presence.
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The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
The more you're in his presence, the more influence you have, the more you're involved in decisions and consultations and conversations. And these guys get the joke. They want to be near him. To quote the great political philosophers, the Carpenters, just like me, they long to be close to him.
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The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
So going back to January 2013, you told a Fox News interviewer that women in the military simply couldn't measure up to men in the military, saying that allowing women to serve in combat roles would force the military to lower the bar. You picked up on that same theme in 2015, making remarks on Fox News, referring to women in combat as, quote, it would erode standards.
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The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
It's like dogs playing poker. It's like a collage you can't believe actually exists. And I will expect you to drag me everywhere Saturday through Monday night. I want to be wherever you are.
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The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
So, OK, I think that's I'll be a full report or whatever I need to be. I just I want to experience those 72 hours exactly as you do.
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The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
Good to see you. Welcome. Welcome home to America.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
June 2024, you said on Ben Shapiro's podcast, quote, Women shouldn't be in combat at all. And then of course, we've talked about it in 2024, you published a book and you say on page 26 of your book, we need moms, but not in the military, especially in combat units. Page 48 of your book, you claim that women should not be in combat roles because men are distracted by women.
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The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
And then 10 weeks ago, you appeared on the Sean Ryan show and said, I'm straight up just saying we should not have women in combat roles. Now, I presume you recall making all these statements?
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The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
Please, let's not have this same fight again.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
I've quoted you directly. We've got the video. We're happy to show it. But I want to be clear here. For 12 years, you were quite open about your views, and your views were consistently the same. Women are inferior. Soldiers, sailors, Marines, airmen, and guardians.
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The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
Last public comment saying that women absolutely should not be in combat. You declared that, quote, some of our greatest warriors are women. And you support having them serve in combat. Now, that is a very, very big about face in a very, very short period of time. So help me understand, Mr. Hegseth.
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The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
What extraordinary event happened in that 32-day period that made you change the core values you had expressed for the preceding 12 years?
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
I'm quoting you from the podcast. Women shouldn't be in combat at all. We're in reference to standards that they should be there if they can carry, if they can run. I don't see that at all, Mr. Hegseth. What I see is that there's a 32-day period. in which you suddenly have another description about your views of women in the military.
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The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
And I just want to know what changed in the 32 days that the song you sang is not the song you come in here today to sing.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
Let me make a suggestion about what happened in that 32 days. You got a nomination from President Trump. Now, I've heard of deathbed conversions, but this is the first time I've heard of a nomination conversion.
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The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
And I hope you understand that many women serving in the military right now might think that if you can convert so rapidly your long-held and aggressively pursued views in just 32 days, that 32 days after you get confirmed, maybe you'll just reverse those views and go back to the old guy who said, straight up, women do not belong in combat.
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The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
Now, Mr. Hagstaff, you have written that after they retire, generals should be banned from working for the defense industry for 10 years. You and I agree on the corrosive effects of the revolving door between the Pentagon and defense contractors. It's something I would have liked to talk to you about if you'd come back. and been willing to visit with me.
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The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
But the question I have for you on this is, will you put your money where your mouth is and agree that when you leave this job, you will not work for the defense industry for 10 years?
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The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
Time is short. I just need a yes or no.
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The Pete Hegseth Confirmation Hearing Watch Party
In other words, you're quite sure that every general who serves should not go directly into the defense industry for 10 years. You're not willing to make that same pledge?
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You'll be the one, let us just be clear, in charge of the generals. So you're saying sauce for the goose, but certainly not sauce for the candor.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
Good to see you, sir. Happy Election Day.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
Well, look, today is big for the people of those states and for the congressional districts, and people in the national press will try to put meaning on it. Your normal mastery of expectation setting, notwithstanding, I don't really have a good handle on Wisconsin.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
And, you know, I think you probably make the Democrats the favorite there, but Republicans, not just Elon Musk, but others have gone all out to win today. So I think a win is a win, and that's generally how you try to judge these. Now,
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WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
But invariably, Charlie, as you know, the losing side in any special election that the national press and others are looking at for a sign will say our candidate was horrible. Don't read anything to this because our candidate was horrible. And sometimes that's true. Sometimes it's not. But I'm not going to overread either of these results, I think.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
If Democrats win in Florida, it would be a massive upset. I didn't talk to too many Democrats over the weekend on Monday who thought that was likely. And so I think we're looking basically at the question of Wisconsin in the special election. It's important, as I said, for the people there.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
But if you want me to imbue great meaning in it, it would be less from the result and more from some of the crosstabs, some of the demographics that we can see. How did the winner win? The year after a presidential, the president's party typically doesn't do great in specials. And so the Democrats would probably be favored, but I'm not going to overreact either way.
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WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
Yes, yes, and sort of are the answers. There's a bit of data, but it's not conclusive. And of course, there are not a lot of people who love Trump and hate Musk or vice versa because they've become so associated with each other. I think the reason you see more targeting of Musk, and some of that's what we call astroturf, some of that is ginned up by the activist group.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
Some of it, I think, is organic. I think it's because going against Trump is an old story for them and one that they haven't done too well at. Musk is new and Musk is, I say this advisedly, he's less disciplined than Trump, right? So Musk gives them something daily to deal with. And politics is about emotion and emotion can be ginned up by personality. They don't seem to like his personality.
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WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
particularly women. It's ginned up by events, and Musk is in the news regularly and saying things that ginned them up. And it's ginned up by themes that really hit the passion points of Democrats. So you've got a rich guy who says careless things about Social Security and other things, and you've got a guy who has become a villain for the blue America.
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WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
And I think you'll see in some cases, I'm almost certain you'll see some Democrats saying, you know what, we went too far in on Musk. We should have focused more on policy and on Trump and on maybe some of the people, other people in the government. But Musk is a big target for them because he is famous and he is a billionaire.
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WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
Right. So they need the base to win just as as the Tea Party provided energy for establishment Republicans in the 2010 midterms. The Democrats want that. The establishment Democrats, the more moderate Democrats, want that energy. They don't want it to define the party, just as some Republicans didn't want the Tea Party to define the party.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
You know, crowd size can tell you a lot about some things. There's a movement in the Democratic Party. It's not as big as MAGA, and it's unlikely to fuel a general election victory. But there's a movement led by Bernie Sanders that's been around since at least 2015 that is very populist. It has some commonalities on issue positions with MAGA.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
But it's too far to the left, I think, to be the foundation of a democratic victory in the midterms or in the next presidential. But it is energizing. And it does have a lot of very popular positions, just as MAGA and the Tea Party have a lot of very popular positions. But I'll say again, I don't think, and most of my Democratic sources don't think it can be a foundation.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
There's a ceiling on it within the general election electorate. I think what's interesting is that they are filling a vacuum, not just with the crowd size. And again, I saw Howard Dean draw big crowds in his campaign in 2004. It means that they're energizing a part of the Democratic Party and a part of the country, but not a dominant part of the country.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
And I think you're seeing the smartest Democrats, the ones who are really thinking about this tactically and strategically saying, that's good. That energy is good. Let's harness that. But they can't define us. And unfortunately for them, there's no counterweight right now. They are the only game in town for the Democrats that's energized in a way that's foundational.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
But again, they've got to solve that Rubik's Cube. They have to have that energy, those personalities, but they can't be the leaders or they won't win.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
It's too early to tell. I'll tell you the challenge that the Democrats have if they want to replicate what most of my moderate Democratic sources say. If they want to replicate Bill Clinton, 92, three really big differences between between now and then. One is the Democratic Party is far to the left of where it was in 1992. So Bill Clinton's ability to move the party to the center.
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WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
didn't have to travel nearly the distance someone would have to do now. That's number one. Number two, Bill Clinton was the politician of a generation or more in his skill. And so, for instance, He took positions in 1992 that were absolutely against the base of the Democratic Party, unimaginable that a normally skilled politician. So he was for the death penalty. He was for right to work.
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WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
He was for welfare reform. He was for NAFTA. He was for a range of positions that We're at a step with the base, but he pulled it off. And then the last difference, I think, is also pretty fundamental, which is right now the Democratic Party is not hungry to win the way they were in 1992. In 1992, they'd been shut out of the White House since 76. And they basically said, no more.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
If we don't nominate a sensible person who can get on the right side of some 80-20 issues, we will be shut out again. And then we will go four or eight more years without winning the White House back. They're not as hungry right now. They're still really beholden to the base. They had the White House a year ago. So it's not some existential threat from their point of view.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
And for some of them, they say, well, Trump won't be on the ballot. And so we can beat whoever the Republicans put up because Trump is Trump. That is a huge difference. And it's something that Bill Clinton took absolute advantage of. People said, hey, you know what? We can have the White House after being locked out for more than a generation. I just don't sense that in the party right now.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
I don't think it's close. I don't think they're even close to there.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
Yeah, look, Gavin Newsom and Elon Musk, just to tie it up, I think they share something in common, which is they're both underrated about how brilliant they are. They both see things pretty clearly. But I think neither of them manages their public brand very well. I think Musk has allowed the left to cast him in a way that's not accurate.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
And I think Gavin Newsom in his talk with you was more of himself than he typically is. But I think he's not really shown people what he's about. And I think whoever the Democrats want to nominate in 2028 is going to have to be someone who really understands personal branding and how to keep control of what they want and how they want to relate to the party and to the country.
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WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
Well, I write a newsletter that's pretty expensive. You don't have to be quite as rich as Charlie Kirk to afford it, but it is pretty expensive. Wide World of News. Go to walkingduck.com slash Mark if you want to read about how to get it, what's included. And I write that every day. Then I'm managing editor, editor-in-chief, rather.
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WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
I'm co-founder of Two-Way, the live video interactive platform that lets people from across the country and across the ideological spectrum be part of the conversation. It's got a lot of politics. It's also got other things. It's unique conversations that make you part of the conversation. You can go to twoway.tv on YouTube and learn more about that. And soon, Charlie Kirk will be on that show.
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WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
Congratulations about that. Thank you. Last thing I was going to tell you, Megyn has been so successful along the lines of you and others who have learned you don't need an establishment platform to reach a lot of people.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
Right. So I've spent a lot of time on this, and I'll try to be brief, and you follow where you wish.
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WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
there's a school of thought that the president belongs to that says the United States has been treated unfairly for a long time by other countries and that we need to change the way tariffs work to basically tax what they want to send to this country because they tax formally and informally the stuff that we try to sell them.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
And the idea is to make America stronger around the world economically and to get these other countries to treat us fairly. That's not the dominant view of most economists, of most politicians of either party. But President Trump has talked about this for many years.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
And this week, he's going to test the theory of can he make America richer and our economy stronger by putting on tariffs that create barriers to people selling stuff here. I know a lot of really smart people, including some of the administration, who think it's not just a bad idea, but a ruinous idea. I know many business leaders who think it's a horrible idea.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
That President Trump will destroy his presidency over it. And then the president and a lot of people around him think otherwise. It's a very unusual situation. I agree. Where it's kind of black and white. I grew up believing that free trade was better. That's how I was educated formally and as a journalist. But the president won on this.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
And I know, as I said, very smart people who are all on board for this. I will say this. We have grown in this country concerned generationally about the future of our kids and our grandkids and their capacity to compete economically around the world, have as much economic opportunity as we've had. And this is an idea the president believes will help change that.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
And I think he's entitled to make the case and to try it out because of how strongly he supported this as a candidate. I do hope that if facts suggest this is a bad idea, he'll change his mind or at least alter it for us at least slightly.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
Yeah. So 30, 40 years ago, if there were people in favor of tariffs, they were almost always Republican Democrats. And that wing of the Democratic Party, there's some people in there, but not very much, in part because there's party discipline over opposing tariffs now because Donald Trump's all in on tariffs and they think they can blame him if things go wrong in the economy for the tariffs.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
So there's not a lot of Democrats. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
The Charlie Kirk Show
WHY WISCONSIN MATTERS — Election Day 2025
I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
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How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
But, and like I said, the administration can do some things. Ultimately, Congress needs to revisit asylum. And the first step is the president can take. And what he needs to do is withdraw from the UN Refugee Treaty, which is where all of this asylum rigmarole comes from originally.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
If they say that, you know, they fear persecution or want asylum, then yes. Yeah, absolutely. Now, they don't even even if they say that they don't automatically go to court. There is a screening interview. what's called a credible fear interview.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
The problem is the standard is so low, even in the statute, that basically it's just screening out people who say that Mickey Mouse is talking to them through their dental work, rather than actually a hard standard where you just flush out the people who are not likely to get asylum. So the answer is not necessarily, not everybody has to get a court date, but
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
you can game the system and the system is gameable enough that if you're smart and if you have a smuggler who gives you the right instructions, you can in fact gum up the system successfully if you want to.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
There's a real danger of that, I'm afraid. And that's the goal of the anti-borders people, both on the left and the libertarians, is to have a kind of one-way border where you can come in, but we can't get you out. The one aspect that gives me a little more hope is that, and the way you can increase numbers, is if the administration steps up worksite enforcement more.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
Because those people are likely, you know, they're not likely to be criminals. Some of them will be, but most of them are just working stiffs. And they're also not going to have credible asylum applications. claims, probably. It depends. Some ACLU lawyer may come up with something. But you can actually get higher numbers of deportations when you start doing worksite enforcement.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
And they have started, but they need to step it up. What they've been focusing on at first, and correctly so, is criminals. But most illegal immigrants aren't violent criminals. They've broken the law, but they're just working stiffs. And if we're going to enforce the law, we've got to enforce Work site enforcement in a big way if you're going to get higher numbers than we're seeing now.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
Yeah, absolutely. The administration is doing some stuff in that regard. I mean, the IRS is now providing information to ICE, and they're making clear everybody knows that. In fact, the acting head of the IRS quit because of that, which is good riddance. The DHS has now—
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
reinstituted something that was in the law, but the Biden people undid, which is if you've been ordered, deported, and just are still here, haven't left, and there's 1.4 million people like that. you now have almost $1,000 a day fine, and they can seize your home and your property, you know, in lieu of the fine. So the administration's doing some of this.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
The big step, the next big step, as you suggested, is making it as hard as possible to get a job if you're illegally here. And that requires worksite enforcement. They've got to step it up. They've got to go after employers where they have evidence that can stand up in court to make it clear to employers they need to avoid hiring illegal immigrants.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
You've got to make it as hard as possible to be here illegally. That's what spurs self-deportation. The administration is doing some smart steps in that direction. They need to step up, especially worksite enforcement, to make that work better.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
Well, the first point is, yes, the border is the regular, the land border is mostly sealed. That's, you know, that's done. But there's lots of people coming in on visas legally and then just not leaving. So the illegal population isn't just, in other words, it's not just a matter of trying to reduce people, get people here to leave. It is still going to be growing.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
And so that's a problem that DHS has to deal with. As far as other choke points, you know, the driver's licenses, we've got to get this real ID deadline passed so that illegal immigrants can can't get regular driver's licenses. Only in certain states can they get basically illegal alien driver's licenses, is what amounts.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
Sanctuary cities is hard enough to crack because the 10th Amendment, according to the Supreme Court, says the feds can't cut off money for illegal alien driver's licenses. purposes that aren't related to that grant money. In other words, you can't say you're a sanctuary city, so no more highway funds or education funds for you. All they can do is cut off Justice Department grants.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
And they're trying to do that. Most of these big cities couldn't care less. They're like, keep the money. We're going to keep protecting illegal immigrant criminals. So Sanctuary cities are a tough nut to crack.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
I'm not really sure without Congress acting, the administration can really, you know, rein them in and end this outrageous nullification, really, of federal law that sanctuary cities represent.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
We're a think tank in DC, CIS.org. We're the only think tank on this. There's a couple of other good organizations on low immigration and controlling the borders, but they're more citizen action advocacy groups. We're the only research group on this. And we've got all kinds of stuff coming. We have a report coming out probably next week on how
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
Immigration is not a solution to the birth rate issue, is that if you're going to have, you know, if you're going to have birth rates to come back up, immigration is not a solution. In fact, it probably hurts it. And to see, you know, everything we do, you can sign up for our email. We don't bother you too much.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
And if you have a taste for snark and sarcasm, I'm on Twitter myself with my account, Mark S., as in Stephen, Mark S. Krikorian. Thank you, Mark. Thanks.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
What we've seen is a 90 plus percent drop in the number of people coming across. And, you know, the Biden administration kept saying this is seasonal. This is because of climate change. This is because of poverty, blah, blah, blah. There's nothing we can do about it until Congress gives us new tools, what have you. Well, we didn't need new legislation. We didn't need new tools.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
We just needed a new president. and the numbers have not just gone down right at the beginning, but we're in April now, and the numbers are the lowest ever recorded. I mean, I talked to some Border Patrol people, and there are days, there are stretches on the border where there are whole days where literally not a single person tries, even in the middle of the night with smugglers, to cross.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
So this is a complete 180 degree turn from what we saw under Biden. It shows that the border can be controlled. Doesn't mean everything's fixed because you've still got all kinds of illegal aliens that Biden let in. You've got visa overstayers. That's going to be the main source of new illegal immigration in the future. But at the border, You know, they've shut it down.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
And the important point is that they need to keep it up so it doesn't creep back up again because the smugglers are always looking for another way to come in. So, you know, eternal vigilance is the price of border security. But so far, it's it's a sea change.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
Our estimate, and this is, you know, some people say it's too low, but I think you're getting something like 10 million people, most of whom the administration consciously let into the country, plus another couple million who were so-called gotaways.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
In other words, they got past the border patrol because there were whole stretches of the border that nobody was able to patrol because the agents were there on diaper duty with all the illegal immigrants Biden invited in, who came and turned themselves in. So I think 10 million is not a lowball number, but it's also not exaggerated. On the other hand, isn't that enough?
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
I mean, how many millions does a Democratic administration have to illegally let into the country before we decide we have to do something about it?
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
The law says you can make an asylum claim and everybody gets to say that when they're captured or when they're in deportation proceedings to say, no, don't deport me because I'm claiming asylum.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
Ultimately, that is the core of the problem we're in because Congress created something called expedited removal, which means, obviously, to expedite deportation of people so you don't end up going into the court system.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
The thing is, if you say asylum or I fear return or I've been persecuted or what have you, then you get taken out of that and put into the pipeline that is now three plus million, almost four million backlog in the immigration courts. That has to be fixed. There are things the administration can do to limit that. But ultimately, this is something Congress has to fix.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Do You Send 14 Million People Home?
Asylum law is a relic of the Cold War, and it needs to be fundamentally changed. I've written about this. The Heritage Foundation just had a report last week laying out some of the ways to restrict asylum and therefore make it easier to remove people, to eliminate asylum as a gimmick. to do just what you're saying, you know, tie up the courts and stay here for years at a time.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
Well, first of all, three things I quite appreciate always being on. Second one, jokey, one serious. I heard from a lot of your friends who watched our conversation, and thank you for coming on two-way, who thought that I got you a little deer in the headlights. And they were like, Charlie's usually unflappable. Nothing stumps him. So I heard from a lot of your friends, too.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
And again, really enjoyed having you on. Hope you'll come back. serious thing is the passage of your friend, mentor, David Orwitz, who I had the pleasure of meeting, an honor of meeting a couple times. But I just want to ask, sorry, I am because I read what you wrote, very touched by it. And he touched so many people's lives.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
And it really, you and I don't consider ourselves historic figures, because it's not the way we think about ourselves. But we both had the pleasure of knowing and honor of knowing historic figures. And I'm really grateful for history that you got to meet such an extraordinary person.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
Just real quick. An incredible mind. I mean, really one of the smartest creative thinkers I ever met. And again, just really so happy for you that you got to spend time with someone who historically you're a great thinker and really inspirational to so many.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
Well, it's not just knuckleheads who say it's horrible or the best ever. It's really smart people. And one of the privileges I have is I get to talk to really smart people who have both views that this is incredible and this is disastrous. I, you know, Susie Wiles, his chief of staff, who you know, did an interview with the New York Post around 100 days.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
And she said on the border, she gives the president an A or A plus. I can't remember what she said, but she suggested for a lot of other things incomplete. And I think that's really the only right grade to give him. 100 days is an artificial construct.
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Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
Every president and every presidential advisor I've ever covered has sort of complained about it and said, you know, Roosevelt was governing during historic times and you could do a lot in that period. I think on the big projects, China, Ukraine, inflation, the economy overall, reconciliation, the big budget bill, and of course on tariffs, it's just too soon to say.
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Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
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Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
But even his critics, I think, have read a lot of the coverage, including the New York Times, say most of what he's done, he promised to do as a candidate. Most of what he's trying to do are not some projects that he's invented, but that he ran on. And they may not work out. Tariffs is one that makes a lot of people you and I both know a little uncomfortable and nervous.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
But he's doing what he said he would do. And that's, I think, again, what presidents should do. They shouldn't get elected and then invent some whole new agenda.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
I'm talking to people around the White House, in the White House. I divide everything into two buckets. There's the tariffs and there's everything else. And everything else is a big bucket, right? It's got Ukraine and China and non-tariff China and everything else. But
The Charlie Kirk Show
Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
But the tariffs is such a big deal because I talk to serious people every day, and I know you do too, who think this is the greatest own goal in the history of politics or sports, that he is destroying the world economy, not because of some virus in a wet market or a lab in China, but through an act of purposeful presidential conduct.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
So that's the place where you've already seen recalibration, right? Some of the tariffs that were put on have come off. Some of the strategy has changed.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
But I think it's not an exaggeration to say in the next 100 days, the second 100 days, how he handles the world when he's unleashed through the tariffs is going to be determinative, not just about the tariff policy or his economic record, but I think it was the entire presidency. Then there's everything else. Some recalibration regarding Putin, but I think that's more tactical than strategic.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
I think most of what we're seeing in the other bucket is not shown a lot of change the course or regret on the margins on immigration, on the margins on some of the economic policies. But for the most part, I think you're going to see more of the same, except in that first bucket where, again, he has bet everything on a theory of how to make this work.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
And I think the challenges, particularly as they relate to China, are extraordinary. I read the other day, I don't know if it's true, but it's too good not to repeat. one in every three things that's made in the world now is made in China. One in every three. I believe that. And I'm sure it's close to true.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
So how he confronts China, not just economically, but militarily, strategically, diplomatically, this is as big a play as I've seen any president I've covered done. People talk about George Bush trying to change the social security system or Barack Obama passing health care. Those are big Big, big changes. Big changes. One case successful, one unsuccessful in terms of passing a bill.
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Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
But this is reshaping the world economy with a few strokes of a few pens.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
Well, great questions. And I'm super interested in it, too. It's an interesting story, but it's also important. And just as with the tariffs, very easy to say the fate of the world hangs in the balance. Look, I think that President Trump doesn't have much confidence in either Putin or Zelensky that they really want a deal. And his public comments reflect that. Some days he thinks, yeah, we'll
The Charlie Kirk Show
Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
get a deal. And other days, he's very bearish on a deal. You know, my joke for a while has been, and it's a grim joke, that Zelensky will make a deal except under two circumstances, when the war is going well for him, because he doesn't want to make a deal when he's on the march, or when the war is going poorly for him, because he's on his back foot, and he knows the terms wouldn't be good.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
And of course, those are the only two possibilities. So Zelensky is a barrier to peace as well. He's not a dictator. He didn't start the war the way Putin did. But he is a barrier to a deal, because because there's no forcing mechanism. He's always looking for something better.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
I think what the deal could be and what each side will have to give up has been clear to everyone I know in the region for a long time. Putin gets to keep some land. Zelensky gets to keep most of his country. He gets some economic security, some military security, but not membership in NATO, for instance. It's pretty clear what it is.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
But Putin in the last few days and his government have made noises that suggest he doesn't want a deal. And, you know, the old negotiating phrase, nothing's decided till everything's decided. Many things will stay undecided and therefore there'll be no deal. I don't know what's going to happen.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
And your question, you hear lots of people in the establishment in both parties say, well, if Putin walks away, we go back to arming Ukraine and try to help them win the war. I just don't think there's an appetite. That's where you're right.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
A little bit, but not enough to make him give up Crimea or or or give it to a deal on unfavorable terms.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
Yeah, just just just search. Next up, Halpern, you can listen to it on all the podcast platforms. It's also on YouTube. It's part of the Macon County Network. I had Ted Cruz on my first episode that dropped yesterday. Tomorrow, Charlie's close personal friend, Gavin Newsom, will be my guest.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Rating Trump's 100 Days ft. Mark Halperin
I got to get you on. But, you know, I can get me able to get a better guest because I'm higher than you on the chart.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
Very nice to be here, although, Charlie, I got to admit, I almost canceled for two reasons. Do you want to know what they are? Yes, you do. Oh, boy. Here we go. Number one, you still haven't come on two-way. And number two, there is a new glowing profile of you in the fake news New York Times today. So how can I trust you when you are, like, giving unlimited access to the New York Times?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
Yeah, look, this is Donald Trump's high point in most polls compared to his first term. But this is such an unusual situation. It's in some ways a second term, but of course in some ways it's a first term. The energy, the mandate, the fact that he won the popular vote this time, but not the first time. Most people who run for president and win twice do worse the second time.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
Trump did better the second time, okay? So more of a mandate. off to think about how to do the job, more activity. You think about the early days of the second Obama term or the second Bush term or the second Biden term or second Clinton term. It wasn't like this at all.
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Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
So when I talk to Democrats, strategists about why Donald Trump is doing well, why the voters like him, where I look at the data, it's pretty clear. He's being active. He's being authentic. And he's getting very much of the attention, the three A's. So I'm not surprised his numbers are where they are. I wonder if they can go higher or if he's at his ceiling.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
But I think the key to why he's doing well compared to a lot of second term presidents is something that the press, it's probably the thing the press has gotten the most wrong about Donald Trump for a decade now. His agenda is popular, not everything, but most of what he's done for the first three weeks, past 70, 30, it's very popular.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
If people were just going on his policies, his approval rating would be even higher. So I'm not surprised. And again, it's apples to tangerines compared to a normal second term, that it's hard to put these numbers in context. What we can say is they're higher than most second term presidents at this phase, and they're certainly higher than Donald Trump was in term one.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
Right. So Biden's numbers went down after Afghanistan and never recovered. You could call that a scandal or just an example of mass incompetence. And it was in the context of what people were already sensing about the incompetence of the wrong-handed policy on immigration. I think the Democrats have not settled on three things. You say, have they decided how to respond?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
I think there are three elements to responding. One is, who are the people? Who are the personalities? You can't fight a personality like Donald Trump with Ken Martin, the new chair of the Democratic Party, right? It's going to have to be one or two big personalities. Second is, what are the issues?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
There's a rough consensus, I think, that people think the best issue for them is cuts in programs that benefit the middle class and working class people. at the expense of tax cuts for the wealthiest. I think that's the theme they want. But there's a number of complexities with that from a practical point of view we can talk about. And the last thing is, where is it going to be, right?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
You'd think, well, the DNC, Chuck Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries, maybe some of the prominent Democratic governors. But what I heard this weekend in my reporting, and I wrote about this a little bit in the newsletter today, is the grassroots says, you know what? We can't rely on those institutions. They have no clue what they're doing.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
They don't have the energy or the vitality or the verve to go after Donald Trump. So they're thinking, where's our Tea Party? And I say this again. Sometimes I kid you. I'm not kidding about this. Where's our Charlie Kirk?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
Where's our guy or gal who's on email and texting every minute, who has a huge platform and a huge megaphone, but also is out there engaging like voter registration and organizing activism? They're trying to find that. And you hear that from some of the donors, too.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
They're saying, why should I write a check to the DNC or to Cory Booker when I don't think those folks have an idea of how to stop Trump? Where's my Charlie Kirk of the left that I can write a check to, to start something that's got energy and newness and digital vitality?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
No, I know you don't, and I'm speaking objectively. In the New York Times story, I joked about it. It validates what some people on the left are now seeing, which is you, and Steve Bannon could be put in this category. There are some others. It's a different model. You think about Rachel Maddow, or you think about those, what are those bros called? Pod Save America. Pod Save America, yeah.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
They're doing a content, and they're doing events to make money. Like, you know, you do those two things too, but they're not doing the other stuff you do and Steve does and some other folks on the right do. And that's not a small thing. It's the combination. Entrepreneurship is the right word, I think. And they don't have that. And the other problem they have is you all have a huge head start.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
And I guarantee you, if there were some liberal entrepreneur, Charlie Kirk analog on the left, I guarantee you that person would face a lot of scrutiny and a lot of friction and tacks on the sidewalk in front of them as they tried to get a running start. It's very difficult. Nobody really impeded the Tea Party on the left. They didn't see it coming. They didn't take it seriously.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
So they face a challenge not only to identify the people who have the multidisciplinary abilities that you have. And again, I happen to be talking to you, but I would say this to anyone. I just said it on two-way a few minutes ago. I'd say it to anybody. They don't have that person. And again, launching is quite difficult.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
And part of the challenges, you know, as a student of this, they still have CBS News. They still have the Washington Post. Even though those places are diminished and even though those places are in some ways being a little bit fairer to the right than they've been historically.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
It's very difficult to find the incentives that you found and others found to rise up and say, we need all new forms of things. And of course, Rush Limbaugh and Talk Radio did this before you did. You stand on their shoulders. It's easier to get that energy, that vitality, that determination, and to find a market when you see out there, well, half the country's got their market.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
It's a supposedly fair media market. And they're there. So if you're trying to launch Charlie Kirk of the left, you're competing with the Washington Post. And that's the hard thing to compete with because they've got a big head start.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
Yeah. Yeah. With with with declined but still huge audiences and and who's and who's, you know, who's corruptness. is manifest to tens of millions of Americans because of the combination of bias and denial. And again, the same organizations that denied for many years Joe Biden's loss of mental acuity, who denied the plain as a nose on your face reality of Biden Inc.,
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
Those same organizations are covering the Trump White House. Those same organizations are covering the fights on Capitol Hill. Not just the same organizations, many of the same people. And so you cannot be, it is not a symmetrical thing. They have some asymmetrical advantages because they've got the establishment media, what I call the dominant media.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
But the right has some asymmetrical advantages because as you said, you all, as Rush did, can play off of it. And that's an extremely valuable thing.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
Three things. Fidelity to President Trump and a belief that he must get off to a fast start. He's entitled to his picks. Two is the tactical strength of the teams around the controversial nominees.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
whether it's Hegseth or Gabbard or Kennedy, very good teams of so-called sherpas, communications, inside politics, knowing that you and others could pressure these wavering senators in a way once you were activated that would really impact them. And then lastly is the performance of the nominees themselves. I think Hegseth in particular saved himself by going out there and making the case.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
And I think Kennedy and Gabbard did as well. So I'd say those three reasons.
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Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
It's called Wild World of News Concierge Coverage. I've got two sub stacks, but you want the concierge coverage when it's a daily newsletter.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
We could do three hours on the ways it is unprecedented, not just Musk's involvement, but the way it's being done, the scope and scale of the ambition, the speed with which it's being done. So there's lots that's unprecedented here. I think that it's great to talk about cutting spending, and there's no doubt that it's irresponsible to future generations to run up debt and deficit like this.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
Here's some realities. You can't either cut or tax your way out of debt and deficit. You have to have robust economic growth. Three, four, five percent. Some people say that's impossible. I say it better be possible. So that's the key is the policies that are going to lead to more growth if you want to reduce debt and deficit. But spending cuts are important.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
I think Democrats have made a huge mistake saying, oh, it's only $25,000 or it's only $26 million. I think taxpayers feel like every dollar is precious. I totally agree with that.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
If it goes for fancy subscriptions to something called Politico Pro or some sort of play, regardless of whether it's a comic they disagree with. So I think they're on the right track there. But the reality is you cannot cut spending that doesn't affect people. And I think they continue to talk about it as cuts as opposed to restraining the rate of growth.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
I think eventually they'll get around to doing that. But where the money is, is in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. You could cut every bit of discretionary spending, even cut some defense spending, which most Republicans don't want to do. You will not get to the point where you'll see significant deficit reduction. So I hope that Republicans and Democrats join together to say,
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
These programs are invaluable, and the way to save them, not destroy the programs, the way to save them is to find ways to make them more efficient, to find cost savings, to do things like, say, really rich people maybe shouldn't get the same Social Security benefits as other people. Those are the steps they haven't taken.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
So while it's great that they're looking to cut a little bit here and a little bit there, and I think that's right, although there needs to be scrutiny about whether they're doing it legally and whether they're doing it in ways that might cut programs that are worthwhile.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
I think I think the big question is, can they actually make a dent in the deficit by going where the money is, which, again, is in these programs that President Trump has vowed not to touch?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
Again, as I said before, I think you're right that that theme could get more traction with certain parts of the country, but they don't want to be a party that only is as broadly as appealing as Elizabeth Warren, because that's not a majority party. That's a party with tens of thousands of really passionate people. but it's not a majority party.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
And so I think what you're seeing is the Democrats trying to figure out how do you take those themes that might be subscribed to by the squad and might even be subscribed to by, you know, Mark Kelly and more moderate Democrats and have a spokesperson who can kind of knit it all together in a critique. They don't have that yet. And they don't have the grassroots organization yet.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
They have the embers, the green shoots of that. So I think there's no doubt that those themes are where the Democrats currently are putting their energy. But I think it's going to have to be broader than Elizabeth Warren, wing of the party, or it will not win the midterms.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
I'll just say real quick, one of your greatest strengths is you are actually not complacent as opposed to faux not complacent.
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Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
I stepped on the promo. I stepped on my own promo. That's right. Thank you, sir. It's all good. I love it.
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Donald Trump's DOGE Defunding Rampage
I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
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Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
Yeah. I mean, first of all, every time I see the guy on TV now, he looks exhausted. Those of you who are just listening to the audio, Hakeem Jeffries just needs a nap or a vacation. And that means I believe it's a manifestation of how much pressure he's under. I hear from Democrats in Congress regularly and I spent a lot of time on the Hill this week around the president's speech.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
He is not able to grapple with the liberal wing of the party. And so what you have is a guy who knows his party's on the wrong side of a lot of issues, including the one that Governor Newsom made news on. He is he is unable to stand up to that wing of the party because when he tries, they threaten to revolt there. It's where the energy is in the party.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
And and they've not found a way to stand up to him. Governor Newsom could have given them a heads up. He's not particularly close to a lot of Democrats. A lot of Democrats don't like him and he doesn't make time for them. That happens sometimes with big state governors, particularly California, because it's 3,000 miles from Washington.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
But I believe that if Gavin Newsom runs for president, he's not going to run as part of the Washington club. Right. He's going to run as an outsider. That's in vogue right now, of course. And so he didn't want to give him a heads up. He wants to he wants to operate here on his own plane. And.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
And I'll say again, that reaction, that Brooklyn brand of word salad from Hakeem Jeffries is a manifestation of the fact that the party is a mess right now, not just on the issue of trans athletes and women's sports and girls' sports.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
But on the general question of how do they grapple with Donald Trump, who, contrary to what the press says, is largely talking about issues that are 70 or 80 percent popular as opposed to 20 or 30 percent not popular. And they don't just they haven't grappled with that because the rational thing would be to pull some sister soldiers and say, you know what, we're with America.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
But they just want to, as he did there, change the subject or in some cases defend the unpopular position, which, you know, hats off to them for being principled. But your party can only last so long if they're on the wrong side of 70, 30 and 80, 20 issues.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
It works in possum politics, but this is about human beings. Look, I think James is trying to make a virtue out of three things, which right now are big problems for the party. One is President Trump continues to be an 800-pound gorilla moving 800 miles per hour. Number two, Democrats don't have any leaders who have the communication skills to stand up to him.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
And number three, they don't have anything like what your party has, which is issue positions that you can sell through a machinery that's cranking fast, involving communications and interest groups and real human beings, as we saw at the State of the Union-like speech. So I think what James is basically saying is we need to do nothing now because anything we do will make it worse.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
See Tuesday night. But eventually, when he thinks the time to stop playing possum comes, you'll still need those same three things. You'll still need leaders and ideas and messaging capacity. And Donald Trump hopefully has made some errors. That's the thing that could change that they don't have to control, but it's not definitely going to change.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
So I've heard lots of smart Democrats say James is just saying that because he wants to have something to say. And the alternative is to say, yeah, Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer and Dick Durbin are should be going head to head with Donald Trump right now when the party is divided and without any popular issue positions that they know how to sell.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
Super successful getting a lot done. And it's unprecedented. You and I have talked about it. We've never had a second term president like this. All the energy and creativity and more planning than we've had in a normal second to first term president or second term president. but much more experienced than a first-term president. So it's a combination that is working very well.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
They're getting a lot done. I think there's three big areas of danger. One is dealing with the Congress on the big stuff that has to get done. Republican-only votes required for the reconciliation packages on taxes and spending and immigration and military stuff. That has to get done, and they basically can't lose any Republican votes.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
At the same time with Congress, they have to get Democratic votes on some issues. So figuring out how to pass, avoid a government shutdown, raise the debt ceiling, and pass the president's domestic agenda, that's one. Two is Doge, which is great and popular if you describe it as cutting waste, fraud, and abuse. But as we saw this week,
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
Members of Congress, Republican members of Congress, members of the cabinet, they just they say we don't work for Elon Musk and we don't want to cut veterans. We don't want to cut hospitals in our district. We don't want to cut research in our district. And so figuring out Elon's role and figuring out how to cut without. Really pissing off not just voters, but a lot of Republicans and veterans.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
That's a second, third, second issue. And then third is the president's unprecedented at this stage of an administration playing big casino overseas, big casino in the Middle East, big casino with Ukraine, Russia. And maybe he'll succeed. And certainly I don't think you can argue that this is worse than what Biden was doing, which was basically nothing.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
just maintaining the status quo, but he's taken a lot of big risks. He strikes a deal with Russia and then there's Russian tanks on the Champs-Élysées, or he does a deal with Gaza and something worse takes over. So those are big risks. I'm not saying he shouldn't be pursuing these three tracks by any means. Those are things he ran on. But I think those are the big areas of what
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
littered with landmines and complications. And there are some Trump allies, including at least one friend of yours that I know who say maybe this is too much from a communications point of view, a bandwidth point of view, a presidential focus point of view. Maybe there's just too many big projects and some of them should go on the back burner for now.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
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Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
Good to see you, sir. It's Wide World of News. You were very close.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
I have so many thoughts about it. I'll tell you my two top ones. First of all, you would think if someone found themselves for the first time in their adult life in a room with someone more handsome than them, it might lead to humility. But instead, it's like your producer's creating like a little shrine to you. about your appearance. So I'm a little, I'm a little surprised.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
Had you been in the room with Gavin Newsom before? Was that the first time?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
Yeah. So again, you're two of the three most handsome men I know. And so for me, it's just eye candy. To the extent I listened, um, I thought I thought it was super interesting. I'm really glad you two did that. You're both fans of two way, although neither of you have come on yet. That's my other big thought. But but I have great respect for both of you.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
I think that you're not underrated, at least not anymore. He's still underrated. I'm not sure he'll run for president. I'm not sure if he ran. He'll win. But I think he's a very thoughtful guy. He's not as liberal as people think. And you saw that in the big news he made. with you on trends and sports. And he's better with people than he's giving credit for.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
He's had some troubles governing his state in part because the legislature is so liberal. But I think for me, you two sitting down and doing that is great. And I think in general, I've listened to, I haven't finished it. I've listened to about two thirds of it. I think I think it's a great conversation. And I think you two talked about things in a way that was good.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
In other words, like you weren't it was very much in the spirit of what I tried to do. You just communicated with each other. You didn't come trying to score points. And obviously he ceded a lot of ground to you on the 2024 election and particularly on this issue of trans athletes and women's sports.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
I like the way you framed it. Look, let's see if he takes any action. It is the case that sometimes political figures, elected officials, have positions and they don't act them. Right. You've had pro-life presidents who didn't do very much to to try to overturn Roe or to try to change the law in a way that would protect more life. So that's one example. I could give you many.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
Look, this is a guy who was for same sex marriage publicly before Nancy Pelosi was before the Clintons were before Barack Obama was, which you could say means he's more left wing than them. Or you could say he is willing sometimes to take positions that are a little bit risky. That position is popular now, but it wasn't back then.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
I think that every Democrat has asked themselves two questions if they disagree with Governor Newsom, and many people criticize him. One is, do you want your party to be on the wrong side of an issue, 70-30, 80-20? And if you truly believe that you want to take the position that's the minority, go out and defend it.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
Don't try to, as most Democrats are doing today, try to obscure the issue and say, well, it should be up to local officials. There's a clear demarcation here. And I think whether you think he switched for cynical purposes or not, I think he explained himself pretty well.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
And I don't think it's I don't think it's obvious that he's I don't think it's I think I would take him at his word that this is what he thinks. But as you said, if that's really what he thinks, there's some actions that have to come with it following through.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
But if he does want to run for president, and again, I'm not as sure as you that he does, if he does want to run for president, that kind of thing is going to put him in a category that very few Democrats today are willing to be in, which is stand up to the base of the party with principle and emotion.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
Yeah, it was before you were born and I was in the room for it.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
Yeah, I use it all the time, that phrase, because I covered the Clinton campaign and I was there for that. Sister Soulja was a rap artist who had lyrics that were very violent about, I think, killing police. It was at least about violence against police. And he went and spoke to Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition event. Sister Soulja had spoken earlier at the same event.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
And he said, you had a rap singer here named Sister Soulja. I disagree with her. Seemed today that seems maybe a little quaint. But back then, when Bill Clinton's Democratic Party was not as far left as it is today, but it was too far left to win presidential elections, standing up to the base of the party, it was seen as very difficult now. And few were willing to risk doing it.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
Bill Clinton's whole campaign. was the bad sister soldier moments. He came out for NAFTA, which back then was out of step with the Democratic Party, the trade deal. He came out for the death penalty. He came out for right-to-work laws, against right-to-work laws, for right-to-work laws. He came out for welfare reform.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
All of these things were seen as part of a very self-conscious and purposeful effort to say things that would put him at odds with the liberal wing of the party to say to more moderate voters, including independents and Republicans, but also to Democrats who wanted to win. I will stand up to the base of the party. Now, when you say Gavin Newsom might have said what he said with you earlier,
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
purely for cynical political purposes. I think Bill Clinton believed all those positions. So it had the added advantage of being what he believed. And it's easier to sell that to the public if it's a legit position. But I think Gavin Newsom is someone who has in the past not gotten enough credit for criticizing some of the more liberal policies of the party. And this is of a piece with that.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
And again, when the left squeals, which they have, and I think it's been more muted than it might have been, You've got to follow through with it. If you want to make the political points stick and sustain, you've got to stick to your guns. You've got to look for opportunities to do it.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
But you also have to do, if you want to win the Democratic nomination, you also have to do what Bill Clinton did. Bill Clinton said, I would say I'm a Democrat by birth, heritage and inclination. And that's the only way to get the Democratic nomination, because it's still dominated by the liberal wing of the party. Drag them to the center on some issues, but convince them that you're one of them.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
And I think Gavin Newsom is one of the few Democrats with the skill to do that.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
Well, I think the party is split. And again, the Democratic Party is farther left than it's been in my lifetime or yours. And so the power of the left and the distance, someone who wants to push the party or pull the party back to the center is farther than it's ever been.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
I know plenty of Democrats, including people who are in the Bernie Sanders wing of the party, like Congressman Ro Khanna of California, who say, of course, we have to talk to we have to talk to the whole country and not be in our narrow and confined blue bubble. But again, it's hard to predict how this will go because standing up to the base is a problem.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
And you saw that on Tuesday where Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer. refused to stand up to the base of their party, and they had a massive calamity. If they weren't protected by the media, what they did would still be a dominant story. It's not today. There's a lot of other news.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
But I think it's up in the air now whether there'll be Democrats like Newsom who help to pull the party back towards the center, or they'll be too afraid like the congressional leaders seem to be right now.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
I assume you've been talking about all week. Yeah, I mean, the outbursts at the State of the Union, but also the whole series of events around it where the party simply cannot talk about issues in a sustained way that are popular. They're discombobulated by Donald Trump and the whole Trump team, including you. extraordinary skillful at keeping them discombobulated.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
They went into that with one goal. Their one goal was, we want to talk about the real lives of real people that are being impacted by Trump policies. And instead, they engaged in conduct. I'm particularly hung up on the failure to cheer for that little boy, for DJ. It's just unbelievable. It's not human. It's not human. But they went in and they exhibited conduct that
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did Gavin Newsom Start A Dem Civil War? + The ActBlue Implosion
So disqualifying for so many people. Now, can they come back from it? Have they done things that are also of a piece with that? Of course. Of course. Of course. But the symbolism of the inability of the leadership to get them to do a simple plan does not speak well of the party.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
I'd say three main things. First of all, I thought the president's performance, whether you love him or hate him, it was just an incredible physical performance, entertaining. He's a great television producer, as you know, and I thought the casting of the folks from all over America representing certain themes were really key.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
And it's always important to remember the president, contrary to what Politico and others want to say, He's not talking about extreme red meat MAGA issues. He's talking about issues that are broadly popular, including with people who don't like him. And that's something that put the Democrats on their back legs.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
Finally, I'll say what the Democrats did last night, even after decades of partisanship and even after Donald Trump is doing things that are partisan. I thought their behavior last night and not applauding a little boy with cancer, not applauding Lincoln Riley's family was disgusting and unhinged. And I think they'll pay a price for it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
And Megan, you'll recall that a year ago, Joe Biden had to be dragged kicking and screaming into saying her name at his State of the Union address. after not acknowledging her brutal murder, after not having a consciousness phrasing to say, you know what, maybe we should listen to the public. Maybe we do need to close the border.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
Maybe we do need to figure out where all the people are in this country here illegally who have violent pasts. Last night, they were given a mulligan on this tragedy that not only is a tragedy for a family, but has implications for the country. And they just they refused to take it. They refused to be human. And I think, again, President Trump's plenty partisan.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
I understand how much they don't like Donald Trump, but there's opportunities to behave like a human being. And because of party politics and their Trump derangement syndrome, they chose not to. And I think it's a it's a horrible thing. It's a horrible thing that they did.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
Well, my reporting's mixed on that. Some of my sources say it kind of just happened spontaneously, that once they sort of got into the pattern of not clapping. Remember, the tradition is members of both parties escort the president out to the floor. And so they started the evening declining to participate in escorting him out to the floor.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
their view, and it's the view of tens of millions of people, he's illegitimate. He won the popular vote. He won the election. Even after January 6th, they still think he's illegitimate. And so that is manifested in that room by the party, by the members of Congress. And they simply, I think, I think just in the moment,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
They sabotaged their efforts to make this about policy and Donald Trump's policy, the implications of his policies on real people. And they turned it into an MRI of their soul, as the old expression goes. I can't tell you. I just can't see how a human being could sit there and not stand up for that little boy. Exactly. I just don't know.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
I just, I just, you know, there's so much in politics that you can understand because you understand the motives of politicians, right? If you've covered them for a while, I can't understand not standing up for that little boy. I just, I can't understand it. And I think it was reflective of how much they're still on their back feet. They still don't understand the country.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
And Donald Trump's appeal to enough people to get him elected and to put him in a very powerful position, because, as I said, he's talking about popular issues. They want to say he's talking about MAGA issues. He is some, but mostly he's talking about popular issues on which many of the members of Congress and the Democratic Party are on the wrong side.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
It's an interesting question. I think I want to figure out a way to drill down on it with a series of focus groups, because the amorphous thing is they hate him because he's Donald Trump and they think he's going to destroy democracy. But some of them don't like Tulsi Gabbard. Some of them don't like Bobby Kennedy. Some of them don't like Pete Hegseth. Some of them don't like Musk.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
Some of them don't like Doge. Some of them create democracy. falsely that he's going to he's talking about cutting Social Security. I think that they're having trouble figuring out because I think a Democratic Party and the anti-Trump movement contains multitudes. And it's obviously a weakness.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
The point last night for the leadership was let's all focus on one thing, that his policies will adversely affect people. And that's a good debate. And there's some truth to it. If the country really wants to have significant savings from Doge, they're going to have to be things given up. Research on medical innovations is going to have to be given up.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
Access to national parks is going to have to be given up. Not entirely, but to some extent. That's the debate. They said they wanted to have it. Instead, they did stuff that you can't ignore. Now, I will say, if a Democratic president, if Kamala Harris had introduced a little boy with cancer who had outlived his diagnosis and loved law enforcement...
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
and the republicans had sat silently not applauding not standing it would have brought the media to a standstill and that is the part of their problem is they are enabled in their negative attitude in their lack of strategic vision to how to confront him and there's plenty to confront because the press does not call them on it and so they they don't really understand exactly what's actually happening in the real lives of real people and how people would experience such a display
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
I asked some Democrats who were in the chamber, how could you not have stood at those moments? And they said, and these are reasonable people, Trump lies about the border. His policies on the border are inhumane. Trump wants to cut Social Security, and he's lying about it. These are questionable decisions to take, but I understand their passion.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
But I don't understand the connection between those things and sitting silently while these extremely heart-wrenching stories are told. As you say, some of them, they could say, well, I don't like Trump's immigration policy, so I'm not going to applaud and support Lake and Riley's family, I guess. But I go back to the little boy. As you said, there's no policy story there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
It's just a great American story. And it is inhumane to not applaud them. But it speaks to their lack of strategy several months after the election. It speaks to their Trump derangement syndrome in many cases.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
And it speaks to their failure to recognize what's happening around them, which is a guy who they want to say is extreme red meat MAGA actually has found the sweet spot on a bunch of issues that are popular, even with a lot of their own voters and the Democrats. And they just don't see that yet. And they certainly didn't see it last night.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
And perhaps the reaction to last night will make them see it. But I'll say again. Their best friends in the press, the irony is the best friends in the press are creating for them a blue bubble that won't, I don't believe, cause many of them to think anew after last night because they're not being told in their world. That was a real problem last night. It was a real problem.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
Yeah. I mean, on this issue, the pendulum swing way too far, not for extremists, not for activists. It's it's swing way too far for a big majority of the country. And now I think there needs to be a reasonable conversation about when it swings back. Where should it stop as it swings back? Because it will swing back some. There needs to be a serious conversation.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
I think for most Americans, there's a big difference between kids and adults. And so I see how people on the left are upset. They say, you know, this is inhumane. This is dehumanizing. This is this is shaming people. Well, they're going to have to recognize that their their failure to acknowledge how far they let the pendulum swing and not just let it swing, how far they swung it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
They're going to have to figure out they're going to figure out where where can they accommodate understanding the majority and stop acting like they're the majority where the pendulum swung.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
You know, the people who on that set and in Congress and on MSNBC who want to litigate the size of the mandate and want to minimize his victory are... Spending time not trying to understand why he won. Someone who they think is the worst person in the world.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
Someone who won after the events of January 6th, who won after denying he lost the election in 2020, who won after four years of a term that they consider to be a complete abomination. They need to spend more time for their own good and for the good of the country answering the question, not how big is this mandate, but why was he able to win? How did he win?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
And how is he governing now in a way that's almost unbothered by the Democrats' efforts to slow him down?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
Well, I do agree with Dan. It's one of the reasons we like him so much at two way and why he's so popular with honest Democrats and with a lot of centrists and moderates and independents and some Republicans, because he's willing to say the truth. You know, I watched more MSNBC last night after the speech. I usually do because I was super curious to see if they would acknowledge what had happened.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
And instead, Nicole Wallace basically demonized a little boy. The question of what happens next, I think everybody assumes, as I did after the election, that the Democrats would get their act together. I think last night demonstrated, as both cause and effect, they're far from getting their act together.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
If that's the best they could do on a night like that, to just completely have the biggest own goal I can remember in an event like that, they've got a long way to go. And President Trump is, all presidents are in danger of overreaching
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
But I think he's now basically competing against himself because there is no Democratic opposition that's putting up a meaningful challenge to what he's doing by executive order, by what he's doing in Congress, at least so far. There are some things that are going to require Democratic support, and I think one danger for him – He certainly faced the kind of heckling that Democrats used to decry.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
I mean, I've listened for years how Democrats said one South Carolina Republican, Joe Wilson, said to Barack Obama, you lie. They still talk about that as a desecration of the State of the Union and of the presidency. Last night, there were countless things just like that. I think...
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
The president's going to have to decide if he can govern and the things that are going to require some Democratic senators at least to vote his way. Can he govern if he is not turning the other cheek to when he is slapped? And that's going to be a challenge for him because, again, there are some things that require Democratic support.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
And after last night, I don't know where those votes are going to come from.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
They all have that same little mic too. One of the few areas since the election where the Democrats have found a correct diagnosis, not a necessary cure, correct diagnosis is they're way behind in organic social media and in creation of social media by political players. Charlie Kirk, Steve Bannon, there are no analogs like for them on the left, okay? So they say, we need to do better.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
We need to create more compelling content on a regular basis. Their challenge is, it's very hard to do quickly, and it's very hard to match fake stuff like that, scripted stuff like that, to beat organic, because the organic stuff is so powerful, and it involves...
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
big personalities who developed followings over a long period of time consistent performing this is synthetic but it's at least an effort to put out it's it's somewhat compelling now i don't know if they didn't think they'd get caught or maybe they thought it would be good to have it amplified by having some you know having the kind of coverage you're engaged with it now but
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
Again, it's one of the few areas where they're at least acting on a correct diagnosis, which is they are so far behind. And of course, in the Obama years, they were far ahead, and now they're far behind. And they have to be players in podcasting, in video, in programs like this, in the creation of social media for TikTok and other places.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
At least in this case, they're trying, they're bringing in people. They spent a lot of time with liberal creators yesterday, the Crooked Media guys and other people. They're far away from where they need to be. But again, at least this is a single area where they're making an effort.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
I will say that version is better than the one that Dick Durbin did. I don't know if you saw that one, but hers is better. No, I'm kidding. Kidding, kidding. I just like the thought of Dick Durbin doing his version. I think it'd be good.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
No, he's not. I could expound. I could expound. But no, he's not. Look, most people who join losing tickets, Tim Kaine, for instance, who who did a thing on Saturday Night Live a few weeks ago where he was like, no one knows who he is. Most deep candidates on losing tickets don't don't that emerges super strong.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
i think that the nature of his failure is is pretty obvious to most democrats and he got off easy as you know he was not scrutinized very much and things that didn't turn up were not you know placed front and center i think that um it is a it is a mystery in my career at this phase we're early obviously we're not even you know close to the midterms at this phase every cycle i could tell you five people for the party out of power
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
or if there was an incumbent, both parties, term-limited incumbent, who are the five people who I'm watching who I think really have the potential to do what it takes, the difficult task of winning a party nomination and potentially the White House? I can't give you five Democrats, but what I can tell you is if you forced me to 50, I wouldn't say Tim Walz.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
So here's the hierarchy, the way I think about this. At the top is the victims. And nothing should be done on this that doesn't acknowledge what happened to them, get them the justice that they deserve. The Epstein victims. Yeah, the Epstein victims. And we shouldn't look at the titillation that some people feel over the names of people associated with what happened.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
Shouldn't look at that as a distraction. So that's priority number one. Number two is the President promised transparency, not just with these files, but with the Kennedy files, the RFK and JFK files, the Dr. King files. That's an important commitment that he made, and it should be lived up to.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
And when it's done in this way, where they say we've got a big release and then it turns out to not be new, that undermines people's confidence that they really have a dedication to true transparency. Number three... This is a screw up. Whether the ABC reporting is exactly right or not, we know the end result was the public was misled. These influencers were treated poorly.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
That's a basic level of incompetence at the highest levels that I think should get people paused because for the most part, this administration under strange circumstances has executed pretty well. Lastly, as you said, the president and the administration's relationship with these very influential people, you don't want to embarrass your friends. You don't want to undermine them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
And that photo of them smiling with the documents makes me sick every time I see it. But it's hard to blame them because, as you said, they were put in a situation they weren't expecting. So that's how I break it down. That's how I see it. And I think in all four strands, the story will continue because, as you said, the attorney general is promising more.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
Thank you, Megan. Great to see you. Appreciate it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Maureen Callahan on Maria Shriver, Mark Halperin with Ted Cruz - MK Media Week One Highlights
And now joining me on NextUp, our first episode, the Texas Senator Ted Cruz. Senator, very grateful to you for making time.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Maureen Callahan on Maria Shriver, Mark Halperin with Ted Cruz - MK Media Week One Highlights
You spoke the other day about the two tariff paths that you and the President and some other of your colleagues discussed about a path that had the tariffs be short-term and effective leverage and tariffs, I'll paraphrase, that lead to international calamity. As we sit here on the 100th day of the President's administration, how are you feeling about the prospects that he's solidly on path one?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Maureen Callahan on Maria Shriver, Mark Halperin with Ted Cruz - MK Media Week One Highlights
You and I have not led exactly parallel lives since we met in the 2000 Bush campaign, but we're both focused on being dads. We both host video programs. And we both sometimes look in wonder at the Trump administration and try to figure out exactly what's going on.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Maureen Callahan on Maria Shriver, Mark Halperin with Ted Cruz - MK Media Week One Highlights
And the last thing is you and I are both talking regularly to owners of large, small businesses and CEOs of corporations, probably some of the same people, who are really worried about path two. Paint a picture. If your influence doesn't pervade and those in the administration agree with you, what does path two look like in Q2, Q3, Q4 this year for the American economy and the American family?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Maureen Callahan on Maria Shriver, Mark Halperin with Ted Cruz - MK Media Week One Highlights
And what people misunderstand is that's his goal. And as you said, there are plenty of people around him who share the Cruz vision of how this should go. And they hope, as you do, that he takes that path. I could talk to you about tariffs for an hour because that's the kind of guy I am. But let's move on. Let's move on to reconciliation.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Maureen Callahan on Maria Shriver, Mark Halperin with Ted Cruz - MK Media Week One Highlights
Big debate within your conference and on the House side about spending cuts. People want big cuts. They want to prove that you're a fiscally responsible party. But as you know, the number of political fights that get picked every time you cut anything or restrain the rate of growth is very big.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Maureen Callahan on Maria Shriver, Mark Halperin with Ted Cruz - MK Media Week One Highlights
What are the big spending restraints you would like to see personally, not what the conference would like to see? What are the big spending restraints you would like to see?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Maureen Callahan on Maria Shriver, Mark Halperin with Ted Cruz - MK Media Week One Highlights
But Senator, give me a couple of specific programs with dollar amounts of where you would like to see cuts. Not what's going to happen, not what the process will yield. But if they said, Senator Cruz, you decide, where would you like to see big cuts and what dollar figures?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Maureen Callahan on Maria Shriver, Mark Halperin with Ted Cruz - MK Media Week One Highlights
I know you think school choice is a civil rights issue of our time, and I agree with you on that. And I think it's incredible what you've done in Texas. And as you
The Megyn Kelly Show
Maureen Callahan on Maria Shriver, Mark Halperin with Ted Cruz - MK Media Week One Highlights
have said, most senators don't get involved in state legislative business, but that's an issue you feel so strongly about that you've done, and it's a fascinating case study in how a federal official can actually impact their own constituents through the state. I love watching your podcast career, video podcast career, and people haven't sampled the show, you should.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Maureen Callahan on Maria Shriver, Mark Halperin with Ted Cruz - MK Media Week One Highlights
It's fascinating, and again, I knew you when you were a Bush staffer, so to watch the trajectory, sure, United States Senator, whatever, successful video podcast host, that's something. Now, I watched a lot of your episodes, and I want to show you one thing, and I want to get your reaction to it. Guys, this is a 101.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Maureen Callahan on Maria Shriver, Mark Halperin with Ted Cruz - MK Media Week One Highlights
20% likely. Maybe 10%.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Maureen Callahan on Maria Shriver, Mark Halperin with Ted Cruz - MK Media Week One Highlights
After 10 years.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Maureen Callahan on Maria Shriver, Mark Halperin with Ted Cruz - MK Media Week One Highlights
All right. So reacting to what guests say live, as I do right here, very difficult. But I want you to just be a little introspective here. One of the smartest people ever tells you that within 10 years, there's a decent percent chance that robots will kill us all. I thought you were a little subdued, frankly.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Maureen Callahan on Maria Shriver, Mark Halperin with Ted Cruz - MK Media Week One Highlights
All right. That was a good choice for a host. I would have jumped up screaming and maybe raced from the room. But you chose a different tag. It's kind of kind of compelling. I want to hear about work family balance for you. You know, your state's relatively far from Washington. You've chosen to add this, what for some people would be a full time job hosting, co-hosting the show.
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Maureen Callahan on Maria Shriver, Mark Halperin with Ted Cruz - MK Media Week One Highlights
So talk about how you're currently balancing being a dad and a husband. with your two full-time jobs?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Maureen Callahan on Maria Shriver, Mark Halperin with Ted Cruz - MK Media Week One Highlights
One last question, because I know you got to go. You've run for president. And even before then, you were a student, as I am, of what it takes to run for president. Of all the Democrats who are discussed as potential 2028 presidential candidates, who do you see as the most formidable to win a general election?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Maureen Callahan on Maria Shriver, Mark Halperin with Ted Cruz - MK Media Week One Highlights
I appreciate that, because I know you've got to go. Who's the most formidable to win a general election? Who do you look at the way Democrats looked at George Bush in 98 and 99 and said, if that person's their nominee, it's going to be tough to beat?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Maureen Callahan on Maria Shriver, Mark Halperin with Ted Cruz - MK Media Week One Highlights
All right. The incandescently ambitious Gavin Newsom will be my guest on Thursday. And your podcast and his are ranked neck and neck. So maybe your appearance will push it over the top. Senator, very, very grateful to you for joining. Congrats on the pod, Mark. Thank you, Senator.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Unhinged Left Screams About Elon and Trump, and Trump Gets Detained American Released, with Adam Carolla and Ana Kasparian | Ep. 1006
I will forever be indebted, President Trump, to Steve over there. What a dynamic man this guy is. Steve Lukaku. I'm a middle-class school teacher who's now in a dream world. We're going to show you the Lincoln Bedroom in a little while. And I'm so happy to be back here. And... I wish I could articulate it better.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
They fund the Academy of Nutrition Dietetics, which 40% of their revenue comes from the food companies. And when you go to their meetings, and I've been there, and I've spoken there, there's like... big exhibit halls that say, no pictures allowed. Why? Because it's full of junk food. And they're promoting to the nutritionists as sort of healthy alternatives.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
And so you've got them creating front groups like the American Council on Science and Health that is actually some of those guys that have been in jail for Medicare fraud. And they're a bunch of quacks who are funded by big tobacco, big food, big ag, and say they pesticides, trans fats, and high fructose corn syrup are all healthy for you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
And then they fund social groups like NAACP and Hispanic Federation to get them to oppose things like soda taxes, which we can argue is good or bad, but they want to lie themselves so they don't push back on them. And they target those groups more directly than other groups in society.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
Yeah, well, I was about to say that. And they're their biggest lobby group. So they fund huge amounts of miseducation and misinformation on both sides.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
I mean, Roger Marshall, who's now the head of the MAHA caucus in the Senate, I called him out in my book, Food Facts. I said, you know, there was a panel on chronic disease and a hearing in Congress. And he was emphasizing it was just exercise that was the issue. It wasn't diet at all. And he was funded by the Confectioners Association of the show. And now we've become friends.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
And I said, listen, Roger, I called you out in that book. Just hope you don't mind. He says, don't worry. He's seen the lights in. Yeah, yeah. So people change.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
Good. It's hard to imagine how those guys go to sleep at night saying what they say. Right? I mean, to say there's no connection between sugar- It's social factors that's causing all the obesity amongst the poor. Yeah, it's not just poverty. And by the way, it's affecting all sectors of society, not just the poor.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
That's true. But when you look at SNAP or food stamps, It's called Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, but it's really about food security, which means you get enough calories. So you can eat 2,500 calories of soda a day, and that's enough to fuel your metabolism. But it's gonna kill you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
Good to be here, Megan.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
And it's not nutrition security, which is what we need in America, which is providing enough nutrients to people who have also food insecurity. And you look at Snap, 20% of Coca-Cola's US profits come from food stamps. It's a big chunk of Walmart's profits. And the people don't realize that we pay for the problem multiple times.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
There's a new kind of concept called the commercial determinants of health, which is how multinational and transnational corporations privatize profits and socialize the costs of public health. And so the taxpayer is paying the bill. We pay like probably four times, for example, for the food.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
That's right. We pay for the farmers to grow the corn that makes the high-fructose corn syrup that goes in the soda. Then we pay for the soda with SNAP. And then we pay for Medicare and Medicaid on the back end. Mm-hmm. to deal with the chronic diseases like diabetes that result from it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
No, traditional medicine is really about sick care. It's diagnosing and treating disease as opposed to the science of creating health. That's what functional medicine is. Instead, it reframes our whole perspective to get to root causes rather than just downstream symptoms. So medicine is sort of divided into specialties and different organs and different parts, but your body is one whole ecosystem.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
And who's paying for the environmental consequences of how we grow the food using methods that disrupt our soil, the loss of soil organic matter. We've lost a third of all our topsoil. Soon we're gonna lose all of it. The amount of water resources we use to irrigate, which are because the farming methods don't retain water in the soil.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
For every 1% organic matter, you retain 25,000 gallons of water per acre. So we're losing huge amounts of our water infrastructure. And we're also poisoning the rivers and lakes because all the neuroelectrician fertilizer flows down to them and causes the overgrowth of algae, which sucks all the oxygen out and kills the fish.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
And so we have dead zones the size of New Jersey and the Gulf of Mexico or America, whatever you want to call it now. And there's 400 of those around the world that feed half a billion people. And then we lose biodiversity. 75% of pollinators are gone. So the list goes on. Who's paying for all that? Who's paying for the bees being destroyed? Who's paying for the water being destroyed?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
Who's paying for the fish being destroyed? So basically, it's us.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
Yeah. Well, the thing is the farmers are a big voting base. And so you don't want to lose them. But you also want to take care of them. Because when you look at farmers in this country, suicide rates are higher than almost any population. Chronic disease rates, Parkinson's, cancer, because of how they're farming. They're not able to make significant profits.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
They're really marginalized in terms of the way they're stuck between the bank loans, the crop insurance, and the seed and chemical companies that they have to buy the seeds and the chemicals from. So they're kind of stuck in the middle. And there is a way out. And it's been demonstrated. The science is there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
The economics are there to convert farms that are industrial farms to regenerative farms. And that can be done at scale. And this has been well shown in a movie coming up called Common Ground. I think it's going to be released in about a week on Amazon.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
Yeah. And it shows how these big corn farmers can actually do this. And And they make more money. They restore the ecosystem. And what is regenerative farming? It's basically mimicking nature. You know, Gabe Brown was a farmer in North Dakota, a conventional farmer. And his farm was destroyed by drought and hail and all kinds of things. And he was like, what am I going to do?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
And he started reading Thomas Jefferson's journals. And in the journals, it explained how he used methods to restore the ecosystem to use regenerative natural pest control methods to actually use methods that actually restore soil, that retain water, that do all the things we want to do.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
And now we begin to understand that and how things like environmental factors, toxins, our diet, stress, allergens, and so forth, interrupt our biology, or lack of certain things we need, like the right food, nutrients, amounts of hormones, light, air, water, sleep, connection, movement, all these things are ingredients for health.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
And Gabe Brown has demonstrated this on his 5,000 acre farm in North Dakota and has actually makes 20 times as much money, restored the soil, doesn't use irrigation, doesn't need to use chemicals. produce much more food, much more nutrient-dense food. And it's all been well-documented through science. So it's possible. It's just a matter of how do we transition farmers?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
How do we support them to do that? And private equity is investing in this. I mean, private equity is in paying farmers to convert because they know they're going to get a return on the back end. To regenerative. Yeah, they know it's a profit center and they're going to make more money than industrial farmers.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
It's one of the best things we can do for the environment, for the climate, for energy. I mean, there's so much oil used in farming. People don't realize it's a huge amount of the inputs are all oil-based, the fertilizers, the pesticides, the amount of oil usage, the big machinery. All that is an enormous amount of oil that we use just to grow vegetables and grow corn and grow soy and wheat.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
So that can be changed.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
Better to use it in the engines than in their bodies.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
Well, I think we've had this edifice in medicine where the doctor is the gatekeeper and the healthcare system is the gatekeeper between you and your own biology. And I believe that needs to be changed. And people should be empowered to know what's going on in their bodies and to have the information to interpret it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
And that's really why we co-founded Functional Health was to allow us to break down that barrier, to allow a personalized health platform that allows you access to your data and then to know what to do about it. What does it mean? Do you give them a code?
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Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
So functional medicine's about identifying the root causes, which are the lack of things you need to thrive, and too much of the stuff that doesn't, your body doesn't like, whether it's heavy metals or whatever it is, and taking those away. And then your body has this natural intelligence and healing system that allows your body to repair, heal, and renew.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
A code?
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Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
How do they figure out what it means? Essentially, we're building the engine and we have tens of thousands of pages of content that educates people about what it means, what to do about it, what the root cause is. So let's say you have a positive autoimmune antibody.
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Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
In a traditional healthcare system, you say, okay, you're going to go to the rheumatologist, they're going to see if they can diagnose you with some autoimmune disease, and then they're going to give you an anti-inflammatory drug that's going to suppress your immune system, whether it's a steroid or a biologic that costs $50,000 a year. They're not going to go, why is this abnormal?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
So we guide you through an understanding of what it means and why is this potentially an issue? Is it because you have a leaky gut and your microbiome is messed up? Is it because you're eating gluten and it's driving that autoimmune biochemistry? Or is it because you're exposed to environmental toxins that are immunotoxic that affect you? So we begin to sort of
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
sift through or is it because you had COVID or because you have Lyme disease or whatever? And then you can sort of sift through and say, oh, gee, this is why I may be sick. And then we say, here's how you further investigate and here's the kinds of doctor you want to see and here's the next steps or here's things you can do on your own. So it's really about self-empowerment.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
It's preventing everything because it's like, you know, there are a few common causes that drive all the chronic disease we're seeing. And it's not that hard. It's too much of the bad stuff and not enough of the good stuff that our bodies need. And when you take out the bad stuff, you put in the good stuff, which is essentially what functional medicine is, the body knows what to do.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
So I'll give you an example. So I had a patient come in and she had psoriatic arthritis. She had terrible inflammation of her skin and joints were swollen, you know, the heartbreak of psoriasis. But she also had terrible heartburn and reflux. She had terrible irritable bowel syndrome. She had migraines. She had depression. She had prediabetes. She was overweight.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
And she was a 50-ish year old business coach. And I said, gee, what are all these things, how are all these things related? Instead of seeing the best doctors, which she did at Cleveland Clinic, the best doctors in rheumatology, the best migraine doctor, the best GI doctor, the best depression psychiatrist.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
And she was seeing the best of every class and got the best of the state-of-the-art current model of treatment, which was just pharmaceutical drugs. Nobody said, why is she having these problems? It's the medicine of why, not what. Why do you have this? Not what disease do you have? Not what drug do I give, but why? And then we investigated because she had all these gut issues.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
A lot of your immune system is in your gut. And so I cleaned up her gut. I got rid of the bad bugs. I gave her an antibiotic and antifungal. Restored her microbiome with probiotics. Gave her some fish oil and vitamin D. Came back six weeks later and she's like, doc, Everything's gone. I lost 20 pounds. My psoriasis is gone. My arthritis is gone. My migraines are gone. My depression is gone.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
I feel great. My irritable bowel reflux are gone. And I stopped all my medications. I'm like, I didn't tell you to do that. She's like, no, I just was feeling so good. I stopped them. And so once you understand how to unlock someone's health and give them the roadmap, they can do it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
And when you create health, disease goes away as a side effect. So functional medicine is really about this new paradigm of dealing with the body as an ecosystem, rather than going to a different doctor for every inch of your body. Yeah, it just makes sense. But it's not. It's not. It will be. It will be. It's coming. It's like, it's where the science is. It's where we're headed.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
Yes, of course. I mean, I'm a family doctor and I've treated thousands and thousands of kids. And it's just so disturbing to me when I see the kinds of things that really are affecting these kids. I mean, I had one little girl who was 10 years old and she had this horrible autoimmune condition that was triggered by her eating crappy sugary diet that was causing tons of yeast overgrowth in her gut.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
She also had gluten antibodies that were causing some injury to her gut lining that can trigger autoimmunity. She also loved sushi, which was weird for a kid, but she loved a lot of mercury-laden tuna. She was eating a lot of that. She had mercury toxicity. And we basically reset her gut. We put her on an elimination diet.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
I gave her some things to get rid of the overgrowth of yeast in her gut, and I gave her chelation to get rid of the mercury. And she had something that was, she was on like 1,200 milligrams of solimedrol, which is like a horse dose of steroids. every three weeks intravenously. She was on chemo drug called methotrexate. She was on drugs to help with her rhinos and other gut issues.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
So calcium channel blockers. She was on a whole list of things. Aspirin, because she had more blood clotting. She was on a pile of drugs. And she really couldn't function really very well. She completely fixed it. She was 100% better. I checked with her 10 years later, she's doing great. She's gone to college and is really healthy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
And so we see that we start to dig into the root causes and help people understand how their body is actually organized, not how medicine currently organizes it. We can do tremendous amounts. And that's really why I think functional health is so important because it helps us leapfrog over the current medicine, empowers people with their data, and helps them understand what to do about it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
Oh, yeah, that was me.
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Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
Yeah. So, I mean, we hopefully can show this on the show, but there's a kid I had who had ADD, and this is what first got me to realize that what was happening in the body affected the brain. in a very profound way. It wasn't just the mind-body effect, but the body-mind effect.
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Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
And many of our psychiatric illnesses are caused by dysfunctions that we can treat, not with ADD medication, which is now prescribed.
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Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
This is interesting. Yeah, I mean, and this kid had ADD, but he had also all these other issues. He had asthma and he had allergies and he had stomach aches and he had headaches and a whole list of stuff. And he was seeing seven different doctors, about seven different prescriptions. And he was on Ritalin. He'd been kicked out of kindergarten. He was that bad. And his writing was terrible.
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Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
These kids often have what we call dysgraphia. It means you can't read their writing. Really poor handwriting. But at 12 years old, you couldn't even read it. And his mother came to see me. We put him on a clean diet. He was only eating processed food. We did a nutritional testing. And it was so malnourished. He wasn't really overweight, but he was really malnourished.
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Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
It takes a generation or two to change science.
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Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
She didn't like it, but she's doing the best she could. As a mother, you don't know.
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Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
It's true. And two months later, the mother brings him back and he's doing better at every level and he's off all the medications. But what was so striking to me was his handwriting before and after. She showed me his handwriting from his homework And it was like a different kid.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
And it was at that moment I go, wow, how did his brain going from being chaotic and dysfunctional and not synchronizing properly to being kind of functioning and organized and structured so that he can actually function in the world and not have ADD. and his handwriting go back to normal. Because it wasn't like I gave him a handwriting class. And I was like, wow, this is crazy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
And that led to me writing this book called The Ultra Mind Solution, which is how to fix your broken brain by fixing your body first. And this was like 15 plus years ago. And now there's departments of metabolic psychiatry at Stanford, nutritional psychiatry at Harvard.
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Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
You guys, Chris Palmer is a Harvard professor, is a psychiatrist who discovered accidentally you could cure schizophrenia on a ketogenic diet. And now there's $3 million grant that just got given to Mayo to study and ketogenic diets and severe mental illness like bipolar disease and schizophrenia.
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Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
And we had such a stigma against this instead of understanding that this is something that actually is because our biology is just not functioning properly.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
Yeah, but this is actually looking at academic medical centers. This is what they're studying. Like they're looking at these things seriously because the data is there. And so, you know, Max Planck, who was a physicist said, no scientist doesn't advance by convincing your opponents and helping them see the light, but because a new generation grows up that's familiar with it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
In other words, medicine advances one funeral at a time. Yes, right. And so it's unfortunate. People get very ossified in their ideas. And Thomas Kuhn wrote about this in the structure of scientific revolutions, how it's very difficult to convert
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Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
people who believe a certain thing, like the Earth is flat, or the Earth is the center of the universe, or that species arise in their fixed state, you know, basically.
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Whatever, yeah. People basically just have this very fixed view of the way things are, and it's very hard to change that. Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, no, I mean, the two things that make us sick are our diet and environmental toxins. And those things are ignored by traditional medicine. My daughter just graduated medical school. I mean, she learned nothing about these things. And yet every day in my practice, I see people with chronic illness
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Thank you.
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whether it's autoimmune diseases or whether it's metabolic diseases or whether it's digestive diseases or neurodegenerative things like Alzheimer's. And they're all things that we now begin to understand the root causes and we can actually change those and reverse those chronic illnesses. Like nobody ever heard of reversing diabetes before.
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Nobody ever heard of reversing Alzheimer's or reversing autoimmune diseases. And you can, and that's the beauty of what this approach does. It's really where medicine's headed. It's where major sort of academic institutions are researching, but it takes a couple of decades for,
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And I bought the implicit bias in medicine, which is eat less and exercise more. Meaning it's your fault you're fat. You're a lazy glutton and it's your fault. So get your shit together. But that's not true because people are hijacked. Their biochemistry is hijacked. Their brains can't hijack. Their metabolism is hijacked. Their hormones are hijacked. Their immune system is hijacked.
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Tom was hijacked and that drives you into this disease state that we have in America today. And so, and this kid was a 16 year old. He lost 50 pounds, had to go get a job and there was no place to get a job except fast food places on there. He gained 50 pounds back. He says like putting an alcoholic to work in a bar.
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And then he texted me later. He's like, hey, would you help me? And I helped him. He lost 132 pounds. First kid in his family to go to college. Finished college. Emailed me and said, hey, Dr. Hyman, would you write me a letter of recommendation for medical school? And now he's a doctor.
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I'm getting chills. Yeah, to me, that story is emblematic of the fact that we're literally one meal away from transforming the health of America. If we can go in... And Paul Farmer did this with TB and AIDS in Haiti. It was an intractable problem.
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They didn't have clean water, they didn't have sanitation, they didn't have watches, and these drugs are complicated to take back then for multi-drug resistant TB and AIDS. And he was like, we can fix this. And he used community health workers, neighbors, helping neighbors.
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And so imagine if we created a workforce of community health workers to go out there and go into people's homes and show them how to do this. And we did this at Cleveland Clinic.
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It's true. I mean, I was shocked. I was at Cleveland Clinic and there was a hospital there that takes care of a big African-American community that's very underserved. And we had a cooking class. And I thought a few people would show up. 300 women showed up.
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Science did become practice.
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And we had this big cooking class. That's what I need too.
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Well, it gives you an unlock for your health in the way that you've probably never had it. And testing things that your doctor... probably doesn't even know about. It should be tested or that you might ask in bone test, right? Like your vitamin D level. Why should you know that, for example?
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And for $1.37 a day, unless with your discount, you get deep insights about what's going on with your biology from your metabolic health and
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how your blood sugar regulation is, to your cardiovascular health, your hormones, to environmental toxins like lead and mercury, to your deep analysis of your nutritional status, things that you're... I mean, we literally work with Quest and we broke their testing for essential fatty acids for omega-3 machines because we were doing such a volume. We're one of their number one clients.
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We do cancer screening, gallery screening, which is quite amazing to look at
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cancer detection we found one in 180 of our members who's tested have a undiagnosed cancer which you can what detect in a blood test now oh that's amazing and it's more accurate than many other screening tests we have and it's something that should be available to everybody and we're we're one of the number one providers in the world for this so it's it's unlocking things that you'd have to go through the firewall of medicine to get and then on the back end you not only get your results but you get deep insights about what they mean
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Well, it's a beautiful dashboard that you can track your data over time. And as a physician, when I see a patient, I have to pull up the PDF of the results and then look at the one from last year or the last month. And it's a pain in the ass. It's not digital. It's not visually presented in a graphic way that helps you understand where your trend lines are. And function has all that.
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But more importantly, it really has the deep insights that are formed by all the scientific literature in the world. I mean, imagine your doctor being able to read every scientific paper that was ever published. Now technology can do that, right? Imagine having the knowledge experts informing what things mean from all domains.
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And imagine it being formed by your data, your personalized data, so you actually can understand what it means for you and what to do about it and how to act on it to up-level your health.
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Like, who do I call? Well, we're still building the platform because we literally launched two years ago. We have a success that we never quite imagined, but we're building a chat where you can interact with your own data and ask questions. But you can go to your family doctor or you can go on to learn more from the platform itself because there's so much information
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Well, we're giving them deep insights about what things mean. And there are medical insights, but we're not telling you what to do or not to do.
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Good question. We need more of them. But I think part of the reason I co-founded Function was that there aren't enough. There should be hundreds of thousands of practitioners so that millions and millions of people can access this. But before I die, I didn't want to die not having functional medicine being accessible to everybody or having their own health data being available to everybody.
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It's a way of leapfrogging over a period where we don't have the infrastructure yet. And we will, I promise you, we will, Megan, have the future of medicine come to pass as the way it should be, just as we now don't any longer do blood leeches or all we do for some wound healing, or we don't have like drill holes in people's skulls to let out the bad, evil humors. I mean, we advance in medicine.
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And I think, you know, this new generation of the network systems medicine, it's going to, the scientific paradigm, it's going to come to pass.
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It's not an inspirational message. I mean, food is the biggest cause of disease and the biggest cure. And doctors learn nothing about it. Nothing. In Texas, I was testifying in front of the Health and Human Services Committee about a bill that was to actually start to educate doctors about nutrition and to mandate it in medical schools and in graduate medical education residencies.
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I'm so excited about that because that'll be a domino effect. Once state starts to do it, it'll sort of be a trend. And then we can actually start to train the new generation of doctors that is in the right paradigm.
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Well, it's pretty easy to understand. So your body is like a hybrid car. You can run electric or on gas. Gas is dirty burning, electric's clean burning. Gas is carbohydrates. So your body runs very well on carbohydrates, but there's a lot of downstream consequences of having a high-starch carbohydrate diet.
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She's into stopping it.
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For certain conditions, and this was first discovered in medicine with epilepsy, we found that if you took away all the sugar and starch and you increased fat to like 75%, you could actually stop seizures that no medications would touch. If you look back at the history of medicine and diabetes, treatment of type one diabetes, where your pancreas just shuts down, all these kids would die.
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And the way they would treat them would be putting them on a 75% fat diet.
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Everything, lard, butter, everything. And I mean, by the way, Megan, 25% of breast milk is saturated fat.
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It's gotten a bad rap. I mean, we can go into that too if you want. But what was fascinating back in the teens and 20s was medicine was actually prescribing ketogenic diets for type 1 diabetics to save their lives.
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And now we see that we can actually reverse what is predominantly a carbohydrate intolerant society where we have 75% overweight, 93% metabolically broken, meaning they have some problem with regulating blood sugar and insulin. 93% of us, I mean, 6% of us aren't, probably you and me are part of that 6%, but it's not a lot of people.
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And when you restrict carbohydrates and you increase fat, you actually switch basically from a gas-burning car to a electric-burning car, and it's clean-burning. But now we're finding it's effective for reversing type 2 diabetes, for treatment of Alzheimer's, for cancer. Siddhartha Mukherjee, you may have heard of him.
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He's a famous oncologist from Colombia, written a book called The Emperor of All Maladies, won the Pulitzer Prize. He's now doing research on ketogenic diets for end-stage cancer, like melanoma and pancreatic cancer, and seeing complete reversals. What? Yeah, because basically cancer runs on sugar, but it's not like a hybrid. engine. It can only run on carbs. It can't run on fat.
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So you starve it of this carbs and cancer cells die. It's pretty remarkable. So across the spectrum, whether it's autism or Alzheimer's or cancer or type two diabetes or schizophrenia or depression or bipolar disease.
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Not too much. Not too much. Yeah. I think you can do it on a plant-rich diet and you can do it in a way that doesn't include a lot of junk.
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Olive oil, avocados, yeah, nuts and seeds. People do well. I mean, I think you have to understand that there are certain people who do better or do worse depending on their genetics. I had a patient who was overweight, who was struggling with lots of inflammation, who was pre-diabetic. His cholesterol was like 300. It should be 200. Her triglycerides were 300. It should be 100 or less.
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Her good cholesterol, we don't really like to call it good or bad, but the HDL was low, which is a sign of this metabolic dysfunction. And she was desperate to try to do something. This is the pre-Ozempic era. I said, listen, why don't you try ketogenic diet and see what happens? And let's follow your numbers and see how you do. Everything corrected. Her cholesterol dropped 100 points.
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Her triglycerides dropped 200 points. Her HDL went up 30 points. She lost, you know, 25 pounds and she felt great. And so, and her prediabetes went away. So depending on the person, it can be a very effective tool, but it's not like a one size fits all.
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There may be, but there's actually a paper coming out soon which looks at what we call lean mass hyper-responders. There are certain people who, when you have perfect metabolic health, in other words, you have no prediabetes or insulin resistance and no inflammation,
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and you're a fit athlete and you have basically a lot of lean mass and not a lot of fat on your body, when they consume high saturated fat or ketogenic diets, they'll have a really dramatic increase in their LDL cholesterol.
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Now, this is something that doctors have been trained is bad and that you immediately have a knee jerk reaction to prescribe a statin drug, which is the number one class of drugs sold in the world.
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Now, some of these people have LDLs not under 70, which cardiologists would like, or even under 100, which is their lab reference range, but they have LDLs of 200, 300, 400, 500, 700, and they have no heart disease through imaging tests. And so this is like a revolutionary new bit of data that's now emerging from the scientific literature. Like, what is going on here? How does this work?
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That's right, it's future. That's changing. I mean, Toby Cosgrove, who's one of the most visionary leaders in healthcare, was the CEO of Cleveland Clinic for many years. And he invited me to come to Cleveland Clinic to establish the Center for Functional Medicine because he realized that the future is going to have to look different when it comes to chronic disease.
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Well, when you don't eat sugar, you have to transport energy around the body. And how do you do it? Through fat, right? And what is the biggest fat carrier? It's your liver. which is fat and water don't mix, right? So you can't just put fat in your blood. You have to connect it to proteins. So what is LDL? It means low density lipoprotein. It's a lipo means fat, protein.
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So you put fat and protein together, it can be transported through your body for energy and other sources. So it's really, it's fascinating. The science is constantly evolving. And I think for certain people, ketogenic diets can be life-changing, like life-changing.
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I've treated schizophrenia with it, treated Alzheimer's with it, autism with it, depression with it, obviously type two diabetes with it. And you can reverse up to 60 to 70% of type two diabetes. That's very advanced where people are on insulin. When I was in medical school, chronic diseases were chronic. They never went away.
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To reverse heart failure, to reverse diabetes, to reverse kidney issues, to reverse hypertension. These things don't happen in traditional medicine.
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Well, you can eat a Mediterranean diet, but that's not necessarily a ketogenic diet. Ketogenic is a very specific thing that happens in your body.
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Some people do, and they thrive on it. Other people don't do well on it. Try it for a month and get your influence. You need about, you know, usually six weeks to adapt to become fat adapted to your metabolism shifts over. And then you can see where you're at and then check your numbers.
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But, you know, there's a company called Virta Health that's reversing type two diabetes with an online program of ketogenic diets. And not only have they seen 60% reversal, not only they've seen 12% weight loss, which is massive. It's as good as any of these drugs that are out there now.
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And actually they've done a parallel study comparing just their program to Ozempic and those drugs, and they were equally effective in the outcome. So it's not something magic about Ozempic. It's the weight loss, and it's the change in metabolic health. And so you can do it through various ways, whether it's a drug or whether it's a ketogenic diet.
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That the old model of looking for a drug for every disease or a pill for every ill is not going to solve the problem. We saw this massive failure with Alzheimer's. We saw billions of dollars of money, federal money and private money and pharma money going to researching the drugs that they thought would cure Alzheimer's and none of them have worked.
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And they found their lipid biomarkers, over 20 different cholesterol and heart disease risk factors all got better by eating a super high fat diet.
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Well, trans fat is basically the worst saturated fat. And that's basically vegetable oil shortening. And they call it shortening because it shortens your life.
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It's an olive oil cake.
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Yeah, you can. And so there's a tremendous amount of emerging data that saturated fats aren't the boogeyman we thought they were. It was a long history of a scientist named Ansel Keys in the 60s who basically did a study called the Seven Country Study, which showed that people who had higher levels of saturated fat had higher LDL and higher heart disease risk. But they left out
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the other uh 14 or 15 countries where their data didn't match that like switzerland or france or right so they were like i was cherry picking a little bit and then we got in this era of low fat and that led to the food pyramid which told us to eat 6 to 11 servings of bread rice here on pasta day which we did like a dutiful population that was a nice time let's be honest so
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We did that as dutiful citizens. And what happened to America? We exploded.
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That's right. Well, sourdough's not so bad. But the diabetes rates exploded. I mean, we've tripled the obesity rates. We've tripled the diabetes rates. You can see it. I mean, this is not a genetic problem.
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African-Americans in the 60s were healthier than white Americans. They were thinner and they had less disease. Now it's the opposite. You know, when we saw COVID attack certain communities like New Orleans or Chicago, and there were 70% of the deaths were from 30% of the population, which was African-American. And when you watch like, there's a movie called Amazing Grace with Aretha Franklin.
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It was filmed in 1970 in Oakland. there wasn't an overweight black person in the audience and she wasn't overweight. And you go like, wow, that's crazy. And now 80% of African women are overweight and obesity rates and heart disease rates and hypertension rates and kidney failure rates far exceed.
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Yeah. Yeah. And that was the problem. And now we've kind of reversed that trend. And I think it's a big sort of tanker ship to move, but we have to do it because we're not only threatening our personal health, we're threatening our national security.
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Billions of dollars, hundreds and hundreds of studies. Why? Because they weren't looking in the right place to solve the problem. They were looking at the pathology downstream, not at the upstream causes. And so the causes are not that hard to understand. It's our metabolic crisis.
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70% or 77% of recruits for the military are rejected because they're unfit to fight because they're overweight or other reasons because of their diet. You've got global competitors being challenged.
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We're like 30-something in math and reading in the world because kids can't learn in school because they're all doped up on these drugs and eating sugar and these chemicals in the food that are causing ADD, behavior issues, and all sorts of things. And depression. And depression.
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Yeah, yeah.
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No one. It's true. It's true. I mean, it's the most amazing thing to me because it's so obvious. But as doctors, we learn that disease really doesn't have anything to do with nutrition. If you go to your rheumatologist, if you have an autoimmune disease, they say, oh, it's nothing to do with nutrition. If you go to a GI doctor, I mean, I'm like, what do you mean? A GI doctor.
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I mean, think about it. You're putting pounds of this foreign stuff in your mouth every day. How does it not impact what's going on in your gut?
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Right? It's like, it's kind of crazy.
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What are you eating? Yeah. I mean, I have an incredible approach to one of my patients where I put them on a reset program. It's like hitting your body's factory reset button. So go back to your original factory settings. And I call it the 10-Day Detox Diet. I've written a book about it.
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There's a website where you can kind of go on 10daydetoxdiet.com and actually learn about it and do it if you want to. And what's amazing is that in 10 days – There's a 70% reduction in all symptoms from all diseases, which sounds crazy for me to say it, but I've done this so many times with so many people and tracked their symptoms and how they feel.
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And it allows them to see the connection between what they're eating and how they feel. Oh, I didn't know that this constant congestion I had was from when I was eating. I didn't know that this rash that I've got on my body all the time I can't get rid of is from what I eat.
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I didn't know that my stomach issues are related to my, or my sleep issues or my depression or my migraines or whatever it is. Food is generally the first place to look.
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Prediabetes, they're calling Alzheimer's type three diabetes, which is because of the sugar and metabolic issues in the brain. That's why keto diets work so well for Alzheimer's. They're looking at environmental toxins and how they play a role. There's heavy metals or petrochemicals or other toxins. Mold may be a factor. Tick infections may be a factor. Nutrition deficiencies might be a factor.
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And if you can clean the deck and take out the bad stuff and put in the good stuff, you know, take out all the processed foods, all the sugar and starch, put in, you know, lots of vegetables, good healthy, you know, protein, lots of nuts and seeds and get out all the ultra processed foods. The body is so smart. It's like quickly changes.
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And I'm sort of shocked when I see it and it's repeatable every single time.
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The vegans and the carnivores on one side.
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And no heart disease.
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That's it. Well, they had grass-fed steak in Argentina. And so there's no industrial.
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Well, that was a result of this demonization of saturated fat. The meat has some saturated fat. So if you eat that, you're basically going to kill yourself. So there was a whole era where people were eating very low amounts of meat and our meat consumption has gone way down. And it didn't mean that all the disease rates went down. So something didn't kind of line up.
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And what happened with meat is that we kind of got confused because a lot of the population studies that were done at that time, and population studies do not show cause and effect. They just look at trend lines. And then it may be a cause or it may be a correlation. And what they found was that people who were meat eaters in those eras actually had more disease.
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But when you look at the specifics of their behaviors, the meat eaters in those studies, they ate 800 calories more a day. They drank more. They didn't eat their fruits and vegetables. They ate more sugar. They didn't exercise. They smoked. Yeah, there you go. That's why they were sicker. It wasn't because of the meat.
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And when you look at studies, for example, when they've done this with 11,000 people who shopped at health food stores who were either omnivores and ate meat or vegans or vegetarians, they both had their risk of death reduced in half. It's because they weren't eating all the crap, right? So it's not the meat, it's what you eat with it. Is it the burger or is it the bun?
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Who doesn't?
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People don't even know what a gram is. I mean, this is an example of how the food industry has taken over our government in labeling. and we're trying to change front of package labeling and food labels, but no one knows what a gram of sugar is. If I say four grams is a teaspoon, if I say this soda has 15 teaspoons of sugar, you're gonna like blink and look twice.
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I had a patient who was diagnosed with early dementia and she was an older woman who had absorption issues of B12 and also some genetics around vitamin B6 and folic or folic acid. I gave her like vitamin B12 shots and high doses of B12 and B6 and folate and her dementia went away. Wow.
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If you say it has 39 grams of sugar or 40 grams of sugar, you're not going to know what that means. No. And that's on purpose.
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Yeah.
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That's on purpose. Right. You know, I mean, you have to have a PhD in nutrition to decipher one of those labels. Right. They make it so hard for you. Make it really hard. So I think, you know, in other countries, they have better front of package labeling, which is either red, this is going to kill you, yellow, eat with caution, green, you can eat as much as you want of it.
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Or, you know, they put warning labels in South America. They have big like octagon stop signs with
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Yeah. Basically. I mean, I don't mean in South America, if you go to the, on a plane in South America, you get your snacks. It's like, you can't eat them because they're all like three different giant stop signs on them with basically warning labels.
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I mean, on a can of soda, which is a diet soda, they put in warning labels that says this is going to harm your kid and this can cause neurologic issues and don't drink it. Don't feed it to them.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, they'll trade it with the other kid for the junk food.
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No, you don't eat a salad, but they're, you know, It should be real food. And there's lots of yummy things that kids can eat that they like that aren't bad for them. And what we need to do is stop putting Lunchables and Go-Gurts and all these sort of industrially designed foods that aren't technically food.
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Right.
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He's talking about- Or full fat Greek yogurt. No, no.
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Yeah. I mean, people don't realize that you can get your like, you know, sweetened yogurt that's low fat that has more sugar per ounce than a soda.
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Protein and good fat.
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And if you make your home a safe zone, you teach your kids about food, you cook with them, you show them what food's about, that's what they learn.
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Now, that's not saying all causes, all diseases with people with dementia have that as their cause, but you have to personalize medicine. And where everything is going is personalized medicine. And this is just where we're headed. Leroy Hood, who was the father of systems biology, which is how everything is connected and works together as the body's a network, he called it P4 medicine. It's
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What could be in their school lunch?
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I mean, you could put... Like, I don't know. I mean, like you can make a sandwich out of healthy stuff, right? You could have, I'm just blanking now because I haven't packed my kids lunch.
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I mean, you can do that that are not, you know, deep fried in the- But you can't get sliced deli meat, right? No, sliced deli meat's not good. That's the devil. No, the bologna sandwiches with mayo and- Bread.
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I mean, you could if it's whole grain bread and you know the source of it. I think the kids need to eat real food. And the problem is that they're not eating real food. And there are great guides on how to do this. I'm like banking on school lunches because basically I- Well, an apple. An apple, fruit.
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Cheese can be fine.
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Yeah, cheese can be fine. I prefer sheep or goat cheese.
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Like real- I mean, you can put turkey, sliced turkey, roast beef. Real, real.
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No, not deli turkey because that's like kind of ground up and mixed with all kinds of stuff.
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Something like that.
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Yeah.
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Well, the defaults are the wrong choices. How do we make the defaults easy choices and the right choices?
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It is. It is. And that's the whole point of what needs to change in our policies, to change the things from the top down so that we produce food that's healthier, that we have clear labeling on foods that people know what they're getting, that we have access in a way that we don't have now to healthier options. And so those things will take time.
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And I think that's what the Trump administration is trying to do. I hope they succeed. I think there's a sort of a tension between the USDA and HHS because the USDA is basically is to support farmers and not necessarily support the health of Americans.
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And they essentially are creating all the diseases inadvertently that Health and Human Services and Medicare and Medicaid are having to take care of.
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Like the right hand is actually making the left hand jobs a lot harder.
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He's got a lot of forces right against him. I mean, there's a multi-trillion dollar industry that is basically wanting him to fail. And it's threatened. The food industry, the farming industry, the pharmaceutical industry. It's not a small thing. And I think if President Trump gets behind him and supports him, I think if...
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It's preventive, it's predictive. So you can identify biomarkers or things along the continuum of disease, not wait till you get something. Say, well, you know, I have this problem and I don't feel good or my testosterone, well, you don't really quite have a disease yet. So come back when you really have a disease, then I'll give you a drug. It's not how we should be doing it.
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he's able to get clear on what his objectives are, if he's able to sort of get on the low hanging fruit and have the easy wins, I think they'll win. So for example, getting all the additives and chemicals out of food is starting to happen. Now there's 30 plus bills around the country in different states. Some of them, 10 of them I think are Democrat led, most of the rest are Republican led.
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And they're, for example, to get rid of the chemicals in dyes and food or to have SNAP waivers to get rid of soda and SNAP. These things are happening. They're getting nutrition education like in Texas for doctors or stop punishing kids by restricting recess and gym if they need it. Yeah.
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There's things happening that are sort of the Maha movement has sort of catalyzed this groundswell that I'm sort of shocked. I mean, I never thought. It's awesome.
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And the government's been sort of in collusion a little bit. Yeah. That's the problem.
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Walmart is so hard to get. Walmart is the biggest organic grocer in the country. It is. It is the biggest organic.
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There are Walmarts near most of the underserved populations. So, I mean, I shopped at Walmart and during COVID, I was helping different people who couldn't get food. I would go get food. I was like, wow, I can fill up in a giant grocery cart full of real food.
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For 500 bucks.
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Like a giant Walmart cart, not like a regular grocery cart. Yeah. Not grass-fed, but just like real food. Okay. You know, meat, vegetables, you know.
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In the hierarchy of things, I think it's less important. I mean, it's more important to have regenerative agriculture to rebuild our soil and to sort of rebuild farms. In terms of your health, I think the kind of trade-off between eating real food and eating processed food, I would skip the organic and I would skip the
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I mean, this is my selling heresy, but in terms of like having a choice, if you can afford it, I would always choose the- Their relative sense. Yeah, the real food versus the processed food.
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So it should be predictive.
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Oh, it's not. I mean, it's really not. I mean, it's sort of insidious. I mean, with Dr. Oz, they did this. New York Times published a piece on him years ago, taking him down because this group called the American Council on Science and Health wrote a letter to Columbia to take him off the faculty because he was a quack.
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And there was sort of eight or nine doctors on the letterhead that was from the American Council on Science and Health. When you look at who that group is, they're funded by the pesticide industry, by the big food manufacturers, by big pharma, by tobacco. And they basically say that pesticides, cigarettes, and trans fats are fine. We shouldn't worry about them. I remember this.
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And they come after me.
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I mean, maybe. That was their in. Maybe, but he also was challenging things about the food system.
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And when you look at who that group was, like one of the guys spent years in jail for Medicare fraud. Oh, my God. And I was sort of shocked that the New York Times is an investigative journalist group. outlet I thought, and it wasn't.
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I mean, it took me like 10 minutes to figure out who these people were by Googling them and what their backgrounds were and why they had this opinion and what this group was about. And there's so many of these front groups out there that seem noble and high-minded. The American Council on Science and Health, who would not believe what they have to say, right?
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Yeah, 100%.
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All of them, everything, whether it's American Diabetes Association, American Heart Association, American Academy of Pediatrics, some of them are doing good things. But on the other hand, they're also funded in large part by pharma and food industry.
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It's one of those things, Megan, that I do not understand. In medicine and science, the whole point is to question your assumptions. And science is based on assumptions. Hypotheses that challenge given assumptions. So it's really about the questions. When you start to ask questions about vaccines, you're all of a sudden a heretic and you're excommunicated.
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Yeah, you're excommunicated as a scientist, as a doctor. When I was at Cleveland Clinic, I had written an article years before I joined about a kid who had autism that I treated. And in the history, I said, this is the history and this is the kid had, you know, born by C-section or took antibiotics or had gut issues or had this. And, you know, the mother said, and she was actually a VP at Pfizer,
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said, you know, by the way, you know, my kid had this MMR vaccine. And after that, he seemed to get regressive autism. And I'm not saying it was a cause. I'm just saying I wrote about it as part of the medical history. And then even at the, at the beginning of the article, I wrote a disclaimer. I said, I'm not saying vaccines cause autism. I'm just saying like, this is part of the story.
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And the, this kind of got up through the drinks at Cleveland clinic and the pediatric department said, you have to write a letter stating that you are a hundred percent in support of vaccines or you're basically fired. Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That's anecdotal, but I think it's something we should study.
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That's right. So function health is, you know, look, I'm one doctor and it's going to take a generation to change medicine or two maybe. So how do we leapfrog over that? We need to have business innovation. And that's where we created function health, which is a health platform that's personalized, allows you to understand your own biology, be proactive, be the CEO of your own health.
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And we're learning so much about what's going on underneath the hood for the population that never had been done before. We now have over, I think, 180,000 members. have over 20 million data points on these people.
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Yes, 100% true. I think the why is a question. My view is that it's related to the change in our microbiome from our diet and from the increased load of environmental toxins. And that's probably driving most of it.
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We can see trends like the severe metabolic crisis we're having in America with high levels of insulin and blood sugar and A1C and also their lipids, which we do in a very deep way to look at their cardiovascular risk that traditional doctors don't do less than 1% of all tests are for this special new advanced lipid profile.
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Well, they can be good, they can be bad. So she had an overgrowth of bacteria called SIBO, which is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. And she also had SIFO, which is small intestinal fungal overgrowth. So sometimes you need to get rid of the bad guys. Like if you have a parasite, you need an anti-parasitic medication.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, worms for weight loss. Yeah, exactly. It's our new company, Worms for Weight Loss.
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Everybody would get them.
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true. But you know, antibiotics have a role in medicine, but we, you know, we way overuse them. I mean, there's 29 million pounds of antibiotics to use an animal feed to prevent infection from overcrowding. There's about a couple of million that are used for humans for therapy. So that's crazy. Antibiotic resistance, it kills 700,000 people a year.
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It's kind of a big issue and it's a big, big problem. But you know, for certain indications, for example, like bowel overgrowth, there's specific antibiotics that are not absorbed that can be taken that are generally well tolerated. And then you have to then rebuild the gut after.
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It's not that hard. If you take probiotics, if you eat healthy diet, if you feed your microbiome phytochemicals and fiber, it can come back.
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I mean, it can be good to change the pH of your stomach, but I'm not a big subscriber to that.
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Yeah.
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If it's not industrial yogurt, yes.
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What do you mean? I mean like factory-farmed cows that are pumpable antibiotics, hormones, and it gets into the milk.
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Well, you can buy organic.
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Yeah, ultra-processed. I mean, if you could get a message out that's simple, it's like... If it's a food that you can't recognize or make in your kitchen with the ingredients that you have in your kitchen, you probably shouldn't eat it. If you don't have butylated hydroxy toluene that you put on your vegetables or you sprinkle on your steak, don't buy food with it.
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And less than 1% of all doctors measure insulin, which is the most important test you want to know if you're going to live a long time and be healthy. It's the underlying- That's the prediabetes thing. Yeah, prediabetes. But it's not just prediabetes. It causes heart attacks, strokes, cancer, dementia. These are all diseases of insulin resistance when your body doesn't like sugar and it keeps-
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I think we need a fridge biopsy for most people and a pantry biopsy, and we need to get rid of the stuff that's harmful. And I think that's the thing that most people can do. They can look at their kitchen, go through everything. And I've written a lot about this in my books, but how do you actually have a healthy pantry? How do you get rid of those things that are harmful?
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And if you go through there and look at the ingredients, if it's stuff you don't recognize, get rid of it. If you can't pronounce it, if it's in Latin, Don't eat it. It has weird ingredients like maltodextrin. You or your kids. Or your kids, yeah, exactly.
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No, probably not.
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blocking the effects of insulin. You need more and more insulin and then insulin causes storage of belly fat. It causes inflammation. It makes you hungry. It just creates this whole cascade. And so we're seeing all these amazing things that people didn't know they have. Like inflammation is a big driver of disease. 46% of our population has inflammation.
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33% have an autoimmune biomarker, which is sort of amazing to uncover because I don't know what it's causing. Is it our load of environmental toxins? Is it our leaky gut? Is it the COVID, post-COVID phenomenon. Well, the vaccine and even just COVID has led to this long COVID phenomenon, which is often driving autoimmune disease. And we're also seeing nutritional deficiencies.
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Over 70% of our population has deficiencies in nutrients at the minimum level to prevent a deficiency disease. So how much vitamin C do you not take? You get scurvy, very little.
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Yeah, it's scary.
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Yeah, people are overfed and undernourished. So we see this double burden of obesity and malnutrition at the same time, especially in kids who are eating junk food. We're seeing zinc deficiencies, folate deficiencies, iron deficiencies, deficiencies in vitamin D. These are omega-3 deficiencies. These are rampant in our population.
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And what people don't realize is that these nutrients are the basic lubricants that oil the wheels of your metabolic machinery. So every chemical reaction in your body, and there's 37 billion trillion every second, has to be facilitated by a helper, which is usually a vitamin or mineral. And we're deficient. And it's because we're eating 60% of our diet is ultra-processed food.
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It's 67% of kids' diet. For every 10% of your diet that's ultra-processed food, your risk of death goes up by 14%. So you do the math. I'm not good at math, but it's a lot. A lot of increase in mortality.
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Fish, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
It's like salmon. But not just any salmon.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
I love those. I'm Jewish. I like all that stuff.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
Have you been to Russ and Daughters in New York?
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Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
100% every day.
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Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
Yeah, the bones. The bones are great because sardines are one of the superfoods out there. You just threw up my mouth. No, come on. It's a superfood. You've got an incredible amount of protein. You've got calcium from the bones, which is highly absorbable.
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Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
A little bit. You've got a rich source of omega-3s that are great for your brain health and many other things. And you've got choline, which is also critically important for your brain. So it's an incredible food.
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Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
Yeah, you can say sardine supplements for sure.
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Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
Yeah, you need a reputable source.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
Yeah, most of them don't have that, but they filter it, they purify it, and you can look at the before and after testing and see if it's got- Okay, that's good to hear.
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Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
Yeah, that's absolutely true. I mean, you know, when you look at what happened from when I was born in 1959, it was a long time ago, about 50 years. Not that long. To now, the change in our chronic disease epidemic is staggering. The change in autism rates have gone from one in 10,000 to one in 30-something kids, depending on where you look at the data.
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Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
The rate of neurodevelopmental issues is now affecting one in six children. We have rising rates of autoimmune disease and allergies in kids. We're seeing obviously obesity in kids, which you never saw before. I mean, when I was in medical school, there was no type two or type one diabetes. It was juvenile onset or adult onset. Then kids started getting it.
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Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
Now 30 plus percent of teenagers have prediabetes or type two diabetes. It's staggering. And so the question is, why? Why has this happened? What's changed in our culture and our environment and in the food? Well, we've industrialized our food system. We've made convenience king. The food industry has basically taken over.
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Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
And when I say food, I mean the food and ag industry have taken over our society in ways that are pervasive and actually measurable. They fund academic centers to do research. They fund 12 times as much, quote, nutrition research as the federal government does. They fund academic associations like the American Heart Association, which gets $192 million from the food and the pharma industry.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Yeah. So I've got what I call the Trump board of directors. OK. And the board of directors is Tucker, Charlie Kirk and Don Jr. And if the board of directors support something, I think generally it happens. And I believe all three of them. I know all three of them have been supportive.
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Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
Great to see you, Megan. Thank you.
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Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
Well, every troubled nomination is troubled in its own way. Right. And his is especially unusual because there's critics on the left. There's critics on the right. His cousin, Caroline Kennedy, just put out a long letter accusing him of all sorts of things, including some allegations that are at least new to me.
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Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
I think that, you know, what you found is what I found when I talked to him, what people who've let him speak for himself have found, which is he has a lot of interesting ideas with huge resonance amongst the American people. Just just what he wants to do on health. We find on two way I find in talking to people around the country has incredible resonance. And so I think.
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Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
There aren't 50 votes for him, but there aren't 50 votes against him. And I think his nomination will hinge on, I think, what Pete Hexet's nomination hung on. How does he do in the hearing? Does he come across in the hearing as a unique visionary who wants to make America healthy again? Or has he come across as a kook whose issue positions have something to offend everyone?
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Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
I think if he comes in and testifies well, he'll make it. And I think if he doesn't, he won't.
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Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
So first of all, he's led a very colorful life. That's the euphemism of 2025 so far. I think he makes Pete Hegseth look like Orrin Hatch. I mean, just on the personal side, it's kind of epic.
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Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
And no president, I'll say, you know, people always say in modern history or in my memory, I'm willing to say no president would have nominated someone with Bobby Kennedy's personal past in the history of the republic except Donald Trump.
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Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
And Donald Trump has, as you know, warmly embraced MAHA and some of these issues, not just as good politics, but I think it's something that's really gotten to President Trump and the people around him. So on the issue of substance, on personal stuff, disqualifying under normal circumstances. Again, if he can focus on health, I think he can do well.
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Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
I think it's the policy positions that are gonna be equally problematic. As Dan suggested, there's some Democrats who won't vote for him on policy grants. There's some Republicans who might not vote for him on policy grants. It's very difficult to be confirmed winning votes from both parties that add up to your margin of victory. It just doesn't happen very much in our polarized times.
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Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
So if Dan's right and he does need Democrat votes to be confirmed, it's gonna be dicey. I'll say again, if he can emphasize the issues that tens of millions of people find attractive, that he espouses, as much as anyone, I'll say this again in hyperbolic terms, more than anyone in American history, He has shed a light on these issues about which many people, including parents, are so passionate.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
But he's got to make the confirmation about that rather than some of the other issues that are big strikes against him.
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Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
Well, first of all, I hope that's not the same blender they're using to make smoothies. That would just be my preference on that. Tastes like chicken. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Little protein. Rather than the vanilla whey protein, let's go with just a wing. Nothing in her letter about making Twizzlers safe again. She's not a big fan.
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Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
Look, the Kennedys have always been an incredible story for the public and for journalists. The war between his cousins and his siblings and him is a very compelling story. But I'll be super curious to see it. Like his opening statement, I could write it in my head, right? What will drive this, as you suggested before with the Hegseth hearing, what are the Democrats gonna ask him about?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
What are the Republicans gonna ask him about? I mean, do they really wanna say, Mr. Kennedy, did you put rats and mice in blenders? I don't know. Maybe they do. But to me, the bigger thing is, can he turn the hearing into a discussion of the issues that have struck a chord? Not just not just saying kids should be healthier, but analyzing what is it about corporate power?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
What is it about big ag power that has brought us to where we are? If he can focus on that again, I think on the merits, he can be confirmed. But I'd be super curious to see what the senators ask, because On policy and personal, there's a buffet as big as you could find anywhere in Hong Kong.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
It is. It's part of why President Trump picked her. He also, like with Bobby Kennedy, very supportive of someone who switched out of the Democratic Party to back him. I think for her, as I said before, performance will be key, particularly on some of these big questions like Syria.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
You think back to the Hegseth hearing, what helped him as much as anything else besides his performance was the chairman was in his court and the chairman ran the hearing with an eye towards what's our strategy for getting him confirmed.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
Part of why Bobby Kennedy, I think, has a problem is the chairman in his case is Senator Cassidy with a history of going against Donald Trump and clearly from his public statements, not enthusiastic. What I think Tulsi Gabbard has going for her is Tom Cotton, although I was surprised at how lukewarm he was this weekend.
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Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
If he goes all in with her as he runs the hearing, she's being introduced by Richard Burr, the former head of the committee, the former top Republican, the retired senator from North Carolina. If the national security establishment of the party can say, yes, she's going to shake things up. Yes, she's going to root out the problems of the deep state. But you can trust her.
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Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
to do this job to keep America safe, then I think she's got a much better chance. It has to be not she's just going to shake things up. That's that's half of it. But the other half is she'll keep us safe. Marco Rubio will say that as the new secretary of state. Tom Cotton, as again, has been supportive.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
But this weekend on a Sunday show was to me to my ear as a student of Tom Cotton was not as supportive as he might be. I'll be super curious to see how he runs this hearing.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
Well, it's not unprecedented to be voted down in committee but still get a floor vote. And I could see that happening in this case. One of the things about her, and Megan, you know this because you know her, she's very winning personally. She comes across as a very nice person and someone you'd want to vote for just in the abstract. But she's been silent, right?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
She has some people helping her now who helped Pete Hegseth on his confirmation. But they have not at this, you know, on the eve of the hearing, they've not switched her to... publicly making the case for herself. She's following the norm.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
Well, exactly like Pete did with you and not with you and some of the other public statements he made. I'd have no doubt that that's what turned it around for him by explaining in his own voice and his mom explaining her own voice as opposed to the old letter email, what he was about, why he should get the job. So her willingness to fight the deep state
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
Her willingness to be a different kind of person in this job is a plus for people. I don't think that I don't think the vote will end up being private. I think in the age in which we live, that seems impossible. But I could imagine but I could imagine her losing Susan Collins in the committee, but still getting to be voted on on the floor. If all the other Republicans there vote for her.
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Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
It has great bumper sticker appeal. As you know, when you start to run the numbers, you know, they're winners and losers. And so people have advocated for that, have to deal with the fact that it's not an easy sell. And amending the Constitution about anything is basically a nonstarter because of the polarized nature of our politics. Donald Trump will float anything and see what people think.
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Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
And this has been an issue like term limits that has really been something exciting to a lot of the center right in this country for a long time. And I'm actually surprised he didn't talk about it more when he ran in 2016. I thought it was a ripe topic then and he didn't. So we'll see.
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Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
He may talk about it obsessively and it may be literally the last time he ever talks about it again because that is the nature of Donald J. Trump.
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Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
Yeah, yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
No, I mean, there's a niche audience for that line of discussion. I won't say reasoning. It's not as big a niche as it was, although their numbers are up a little bit. It's interesting. On the Republican side, on the MAGA side, people like her, people who create content, people who have shows, they're interacting with the officials, and they're being really tactical and strategic to say,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
What are we for that's popular and how do we sell that to the public? The Democratic Party, which remains as far left as it's been in our lifetimes, isn't doing that. They're just out there selling what they've been selling to their audience, not trying to think what's wrong with what we're selling. Why isn't it more appealing to a broader group?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
And her revenue model is apparently wedded to that line as opposed to trying to think in new.
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Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
I have a very high tolerance for crocodile tears because I've watched them shed by both parties throughout my career. But I thought back at after this this made up controversy over Elon Musk's exuberant physical action, which you can find pictures of many Democrats doing. to the controversy over the joke told about Puerto Rico at the Madison Square Garden rally.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
And for five days, for five days, the Democrats told us in the media that this was going to cost Donald Trump the election. And it's hard to imagine. I can't look into the soul of others. It's hard to imagine that there was really any Democrat actually outraged by the joke.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
These are crocodile tears and they're dangerous for a party trying to rebuild itself because if they think that the way to identify with the real lives of real people is to accuse Elon Musk of being kind of the Maxwell Smart of Nazis, like so bumbling that he's doing a version of their salute in front of people. I just find it really unfortunate.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
And again, it's testament to, as Dan said, their reflexes are to criticize Donald Trump and everyone around him in personal terms. There are things to criticize, but to make up an accusation like this It's very strange and unfortunate. It just undermines your credibility. But it's hard for the courts.
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Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
Well, the real estate in the West Wing is pretty rare, right? And there's logical arguments to keep all of Doge across the street. For people who don't know the geography, it's not like he's in Siberia. You walk across West Executive Avenue, and you're right there, steps away from the Oval.
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Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
I don't know that this will make that big a difference in how often he's with Donald Trump and what his influence is. And I don't know for a fact that Susie Wiles did this simply for the rational allotment of office space or she's trying to keep them apart. But Susie Wiles understands Donald Trump pretty well.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
And my guess is that if Donald Trump wants to be with Elon Musk in person and face to face, that not only would Susie Wiles not try to do it, to try to stop it, I think she'd know she couldn't.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
Well, the partnership was always a little bit odd to begin with, right? Two really strong-willed guys, two guys used to being kind of in charge, who knew each other some, but not like best friends, put in charge of a complicated program, high visibility program. So just the way it was set up originally seemed like it was a recipe for disaster.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
And then there were some high-profile things, particularly over the skilled worker visas, where I think it was less the cause of the breakup, but gave the Musk side the capacity to say, this isn't going to work out. He does have a very soft landing. He can go for a run to be governor of Ohio, probably with Donald Trump's endorsements. And since he wants to be president,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
He's a lot better off doing that than where he was. So I think in the end, everybody gets what they want. It's a little bit embarrassing for him. And Megan, I will endorse your high human intelligence reading the room on that guy's face. No need for a lie detector strapped to his forehead. You can just watch and listen.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Next Deportation Actions, RFK's Nomination Battle Ahead, and New Baldoni Audio, with Tom Homan, Mark Halperin, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 993
Thank you, Megan. Thank you.
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Bizarre Group Chat Details, Media Compares Trump to Nixon, and MK Media Launch, with Walter Kirn and Matt Taibbi | Ep. 1034
So then if there was no classified material, share it with the committee. This is strangely familiar, and I think my colleagues remember. When you couldn't answer the question, is Edward Snowden a traitor? And I have serious doubts about your anyway.
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Bizarre Group Chat Details, Media Compares Trump to Nixon, and MK Media Launch, with Walter Kirn and Matt Taibbi | Ep. 1034
Thank you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Bizarre Group Chat Details, Media Compares Trump to Nixon, and MK Media Launch, with Walter Kirn and Matt Taibbi | Ep. 1034
Director Gabbard, did you participate in a group chat with Secretary of Defense and other Trump senior officials discussing the Yemen war plans? Senator, I don't want to get into it. If it's not classified, share the text now. So you were the John Ratcliffe on that chat?
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
First of all, I agree with Sean about the ABC case. And I think there are now probably five votes on the court to change the Sullivan standard. And Donald Trump may bring a case that gets the court that does that. But I think it's overly litigious to do what he did yesterday. Ann Seltzer is my friend. She used to be my polling partner. And she's been one of the most accurate pollsters in America.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
It's true that she's stepping back from doing political polling, but she announced that yesterday. Megan, before this poll came out. And she's not retiring. And to say, I don't think it's right to say she's been humiliated. I think people have tried to humiliate her. But every pollster I've ever worked with, every pollster whose work is respected, sometimes polls are wrong.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
In fact, statistically, one in 20 are wrong. To suggest election interference.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
I just think that to judge one person by one poll, there's no evidence that a poll like that, quote unquote, influences the election. But I think what's important is that President Trump be judicious in choosing who to go after. This case, I don't think, I don't agree with you. I think it'll be thrown out on the paper.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
And I think it cheapens the victory he has over ABC, who settled, we don't know exactly why. But he should focus on the cases where not only he feels personally aggrieved, but where there's a chance of not only, and not only cases where he has a chance of winning, but in cases where there's an important principle at stake.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
That's, I think, the best use of his time and his lawyer's time and his money.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
Well, in addition, as you also pointed out, it's not Bobby Kennedy. It's. his lawyer, one of his many lawyers. I find that they're so interesting in the media now, what I call the dominant media. Some of the coverage is reminiscent of the way Donald Trump's been covered for seven years, you know, tendentiously hostile. Some of it's actually as favorable as anything he's ever gotten.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
I think the fate of the nominees, including Bobby Kennedy, including Pete Hegseth and Tulsi Gabbard, will be on how well they do when January hearings come.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
it'll also be on uh whether there's any new revelations about them but i think for for team trump these kinds of stories are actually beneficial because in the end they are debunked and once again even though the press is being nice some of the time to trump nicer the They're able to use that to say, look how unfair this is.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
Nothing rallies MAGA and many of the Republican senators more around the Trump nominees than attacks from the media that they consider to be unfair. So I would say that round of stories probably helped Bobby Kennedy because now the focus isn't is Bobby Kennedy right on abortion or is he right on this or that? It's he's under siege from the media. We got to support him.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
Megan, can I say one other thing about- One other thing about Bobby about Bobby Kennedy, we've heard for months, including today on the morning meeting from parents, lots of moms who really believe in make America healthy again. And they're so they're so passionate about it. And and they understand not everything you hear about Bobby Kennedy is true.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
And there may be things they don't like about it. But of all the people Donald Trump is trying to bring into the government. even more than Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy from the outside. Bobby Kennedy has the potential to revolutionize America with that agenda for drugs and food and the health of our children, wellness. All these things are huge problems in America.
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RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
They unite Sanders supporters and Trump supporters, suburban parents, I mean, urban parents. These are massive issues. And just already, just from talking about them during the transition and the campaign,
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
Bobby Kennedy, I would argue, has done more to elevate these issues than anyone ever has, including Michelle Obama, who talked about some of them, but not in the fundamental way of going after corporate interests. And so I'll be curious to see if he pursues it. But that's what I think could win him some Democratic votes, because they're such fundamental issues for their constituents.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967
The Democrats, it's kind of incredible when you look at the traction that's gotten and how obvious it is. Politics is about emotion, how emotional an issue this is. It's incredible the Democrats didn't take the lead on this. Incredible.
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That's about as accurate as being an Indian. The man wants rotting teeth and polio. Who can blame him?
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Okay. But that's AI, right? That's not real Elizabeth Warren.
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So I think you gotta say, as you follow the narrative of the Hegseth nomination, that he and his team, including JD Vance, have done a textbook job, should be studied in political science courses of putting the nomination back on track because it was basically going into a ditch and not coming out.
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He's now done what they needed to do, which is to get all the Republican senators to say, we're not coming out against him until January, if at all. We want to see a hearing. We want to give him a chance to defend himself. All the charges against him of seriousness, almost all of them, I should say, are anonymous. And I think senators recoil at that.
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And you've heard some of the senators, including Johnny Ernst of Iowa, make reference to that. If the allegations become not anonymous, but someone testifies, and if questions about whether he's ready to run the building and sit in the sitting room, if those are put in sharp relief, I think there are some Republicans who might vote negatively towards him.
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The Hegseth nomination was driven, and the questions about him were driven by Democrats and what I call the iron triangle of Democrats, senators, the congressional staff, and the outside groups, along with their media allies. That isn't the case here. These doubts are amongst Republicans. Democrats have their debts too, but they're meaningless because they're not going to vote for him.
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I think if there's no new revelations and he performs well, whether this person testifies or not, I don't think we'll stop him from being confirmed. But he has to perform well, and there have to be no new revelations. And I will tell you that even some of his allies are braced for more revelations.
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So I think you may see you may see. You may see a different witness or witnesses rather than that particular woman.
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Well, I didn't say another woman, although I didn't say not another woman. Look, I think there's been, understandably, a lot of focus on the case that involved a serious accusation and a confidentiality agreement.
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But there are other aspects of his past, including some things not having to do with drinking or alleged sex, but having to do with management, where there are some people who I believe have been anonymous, but who may choose to do television interviews and or come before the committee.
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And I think, although they've been the subject of a lot of criticism and scrutiny from MAGA, these Republican senators who have concerns about him have concerns that range across the board. It doesn't mean they won't vote to confirm it, but I think you're gonna see in some cases that people are willing to testify, not anonymously,
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I think you're very likely to see some Republican senators say, yes, they should testify and he should have a chance to respond. I think they'll continue to be a high level of focus on this one accuser, this one situation. But there are others lurking in the background, including some that I believe have not been reported yet, but that may surface before the hearings.
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Should senators who oppose your nominees, your cabinet nominees, should they be primaried?
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Megan, every syllable calculated to drive you insane.
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If it were scripted, say, how do we annoy Megan? That's exactly what she would say.
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I don't like to never say never, but I find it hard to believe that she could build support. It's so disappointing to see our colleagues, just as they did during the four years of the Biden administration, failing to cover the truth right before our eyes. Is her poor performance the only reason she didn't win? No. But it's right up there. It's right up there. And no one drafted her to run.
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She chose to be the nominee. And she owned a calendar when she chose to be a nominee. She knew there were only 107 days and she knew what her limits were as a candidate. So I think I think both Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have escaped a lot of the blame that falls to them. And that's not just my view, but the view of a lot of Democrats, donors and members of Congress, etc.,
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I think her chances of being governor of California are greater than being the Democratic nominee. But I don't think they're as great as people say, because again, her challenge is her weakness. She does not like to make difficult choices under pressure. And that is the job description for running for governor of California, being governor of California, running for president, being president.
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So I think she might try, but I think she'd be surprised at how tough it is. And finally, I would say, I'm not sure she wants to be governor of California. It's not a great job right now. And so why she'd run and risk losing. And then if she did win, get the job, I'm not really sure.
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I agree. Look, your show and our show and some of the other new media are different than the old media in two important ways besides not being liberally biased. One is that they're authentic. They're real conversations. It's not posturing. It's not some focus group tested thing. People say what they actually think, and that's what Donald Trump does.
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And that is in some ways the last thing Kamala Harris is capable of doing on the public stage. And the last way they're different is it's a relentless search for the truth. It's not about entertainment, although it can be entertaining. It's not about coverup. It's about honesty, whether it's journalism or just the kind of conversations that some podcasters do that Donald Trump went on.
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I continue to be amazed at her schedule, the number of days she took off during the campaign. I don't know exactly what she was doing, but clearly she was doing debate prep, convention prep, et cetera. But after they cleared the convention, I don't know. I don't know what she was doing. Hard work and joy.
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But my point is, Barack Obama, one of the reasons I touted him back in the olden days was I said, he can go on Meet the Press, Monday Night Football, and the Oscars. And the staff doesn't have to worry that when he walks out there, something wrong is going to happen.
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She couldn't do any of those, let alone these new formats where Donald Trump was happy to slide in and talk to anybody, talk to comedians, talk to younger people. I'm sure he didn't prep very much, if at all, because he's comfortable and authentic and he's fine with some challenging questions. That's just her weakness. She just doesn't like to be challenged and put in unpredictable situations.
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Well, look, I think sometimes two news stories conflate. I think it's possible that one of those drones kidnapped Donald Trump and replaced him with a cuddly grandpa, a cuddly conciliatory grandpa. And the aliens don't think we'll figure it out. But we're on to him. Look. Go back to what Sean said.
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I was born ready, Sean. Let's do it.
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Sometimes he's reminded of the host name.
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2016.
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You don't have to be super MAGA, just an objective journalist or observer, to recognize just the nightmare that Donald Trump entered the office with. Because the dominant media created an environment that created for tens of millions of Americans reality, their reality, that he was an illegitimate president.
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And then to be investigated perpetually for the entire eight years, to be voted out of office, and then to say to the voters, Here's what I'm about. Same guy. Here's my agenda. Put me back in. After Democrats said after January 6th, et cetera, he could never win another election.
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So I think he feels a sense of satisfaction, but he also has created an understanding that he gets it better this time. He understands how to be president way better. He's got an incoming second term government that's not a normal lame duck because they're not exhausted.
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And because he's had four years to write executive orders, to think about who he wants to hire and to use his vast human intelligence, which is vast. He's just a super genius at analyzing situations and people. to come in and say, I'm gonna do this job differently this time. And the overriding factor is he loves people kissing the ring or anything else they wanna kiss.
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He loves billionaires kowtowing to him. He loves knowing how to manipulate and leverage these heads of state. So this is like the ultimate mulligan. He's getting to be an incoming president again, With all this knowledge and a much different environment, the press is weaker than it's been since he came on the national stage.
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And all of these people, from Congress to the governors to the foreign leaders to the CEOs, they know that the rules are about to change and that Trump will set the rules and Trump will decide who gets to play the game. And so they're all genuflecting.
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Yes. You know, when-
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On a personal level, I was in court yesterday. I watched her deliver the opening statement. And I had told somebody who was sitting next to me, I only wish my father was alive to have watched it because he was my partner. And the talent skips a generation. I know she's my daughter. She hit it out of the park.
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She was making... I will criticize the courtroom artist because that bears no resemblance to my daughter.
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By the way, Meg, sitting in the courtroom, the only time I saw jurors actually laugh during both the government and the defense openings was when she made that little kind of snide remark about the baby oil. Oh, God. That is the only time you saw a stone face kind of melt.
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You know, obviously, I've known Sean forever. I've represented him for years, actually currently represent his mother in an unrelated action. I will tell you one of the things as I'm sitting there, and it's obviously, you know, full disclosure, I'm watching my daughter and I'm watching Sean. people that I know.
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But one of the things to me that was most stunning about this case is if you've been listening to all the noise running up to this case, if you've been listening to everything, if you're on Twitter and you have a feed or X, if you have a feed, Instagram, you assumed so many other things were at play in this case.
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And when you get up there and you listen, actually listen to the opening arguments and realize that what we're talking about, What this case is now boiled down to is two long-term ex-girlfriends and one employee. That's who the gravamen of the four or five counts, depending on how they're going to reframe this now that the third so-called accuser is not going to be called. She took off.
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The third accuser is nowhere to be found. I don't know that that's accurately being portrayed. I won't go there. I'm not so sure they ever had her.
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But I think I hear you. By the way, Megan, how often is it that as a lawyer you've ever been sitting in the audience, had somebody tap you on your shoulder and say you're going to the principal's office? So I'm very attuned.
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Well, I'm not going to. I really enjoy him. I mean, I think he's been very fair. I might have. I didn't realize until I read the transcript. He basically said, I'm going to be watching you. I'm going to be watching the podcast. And I said, well, as long as you subscribe. And that's where the transcript ended.
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So I did not mean to be flip, but I'm a little... The optics of this case, I will tell you, watching the jury selection and everything else, the optics of this case are kind of bizarre to me. And somebody had reported yesterday, so I'm going to repeat what was reported yesterday. We've already discussed what the prosecution looks like.
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The prosecution is being brought by the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice. It regards two other girlfriends. It is a black man, and yesterday the government exercised violence.
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peremptories out of their nine peremptories their first seven of those nine or at least seven of those nine were against the blacks so the optics here to me and by the way I didn't know they were going to do that when I when that when we had that discussion but I don't know why I mean Mark what was the race of the what's Cassie's race what's the race of this this guy who claims he was a sex worker brought in there
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The other girlfriend.
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Yeah, but when you take a look at the statute and you interpret the statute, what you're doing here is you're actually trying to turn it on its head. It's designed for the so-called, I'm old enough to remember when you used to call this pimping and pandering. The this is designed for the pimp. It's not designed for the John. And that's where they turned it on its head.
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That's why the elements don't make all that much sense when it's applied here. And I think you're going to see that when you get the jury instructions. I don't.
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Well, if you go on to the back of one of the newspapers—this also betrays my age—and you call somebody to come to your location. I've had cases where that's happened. The prosecutor does not charge you as the person who— goes and acquires the escort to come to you. They don't charge you with pimping or pandering.
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They charge you as prostitution or the person who is acquiring the prostitute or the sex. That's the way traditionally this has been applied. This is a whole new special ditty exception, if you will, to the statute.
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Okay, and what's the... That's not the same thing as prostitution. Well, I know, but I'm asking you, and you seem rather heated on it.
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I understand that. I would hope that you can just... Move to excuse her.
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Yes, right. The court would think an excuse may have come in.
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He's watching right now. Judge, listen to me. Don't let him off. No, sorry, sorry.
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So, and I said this on the record, Brian, your lawyer, my friend, had discovered right before court last week, somebody had come up with, because we've both been kind of perplexed by the idea of why is this guy so personally invested in this case? and meeting Nathan Hockman.
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As it turns out, Brian had discovered that he had engaged a crisis management firm that arguably had been doing a social media campaign against the brothers. And then I said,
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Well, if that's true, and I said this on the record to the judge, I then did some Googling, and it turns out that Mr. Hockman, when he was in private practice, he and his father, who were very accomplished tax defense lawyers in Los Angeles, had represented Jose's
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ex-business partner in a tax dispute regarding a transaction that took place months after jose was killed and so this whole kind of jose rehab tour that reputation rehab tour that hochman has been on all of a sudden comes into focus now you say well why didn't we pursue that
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I want, and as we're taping this, Megan, I'm about to cut you off and say goodbye to my friend Mark because I've got to get to court. I don't want to delay the resentencing. I want to get in there. I want the judge to hear the evidence. I want the judge to engage with the victims because, by the way, Brian represents all of the victims and every living victim is uniformly shoulder to shoulder.
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Yeah, of Jose, Jose's older sister, all of Jose's relatives, of Kitty, Melinda's her older sister, all of their relatives. Everybody wants them out. Everybody says they are rehabilitated. Everybody who has in that family who understands what this statute is and what a resentencing is, all are uniformly in lockstep with us. They want them out.
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Today, today, as we're taping this, when I go to court, which is which is the resentencing thing started by Gascon. Correct. Correct.
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My response is that the focus of the statute is the 35 years since the crime. And one of the things that I've been so frustrated by is the current DA's conflation of that issue that Mark talks about with what the statute says. basically minimizes looking at the crime and maximizes what have you done since then.
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Now, to answer your question more fundamentally or on the merits, far be it for me to be the one who kind of seizes the moral high ground on Kitty. I have sat numerous times, I put her under oath in this courtroom in November, and I put her under oath a year, but more than a year ago in what's called a conditional exam.
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with Joan, her older sister, who describes herself, look, I was not only Kitty's older sister, I was eight years older than her, and I kind of was a surrogate mother to Kitty as well. I loved her more than you can love your own child, and I have forgiven them, and I want them out before I die.
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That is one of my fondest wishes in this case, is to get them out so they can get out so they can hug Joan. So I could get into a detailed explanation as to all of the facts of the crime. We don't have enough time, but I will tell you, far be it for me to put myself in shoes other than where Kitty's own sister has said, please, please, judge, let them out.
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Well, look, I readily concede, as you do, Brian is probably one of my closest friends in the world. Having said that, and it seems like every case we have this time, there's some connection. But the fact is that when somebody says, and I saw this yesterday, I don't know if it was Taylor or her people saying, we just licensed the song. 19 other people have licensed the song. Well, excuse me.
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To the movie. Yeah, to the movie. If you're a percipient witness to a meeting that is essential to the allegations in a case, I understand that it's a pain in the ass. I understand that you don't want to be involved and you want to get dragged into it. But the fact is you're a percipient witness and that's what litigation is all about.
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No, we don't. And probably if I had to bet, Brian probably will slap me when I go see him in about an hour. I don't think this will ever get to trial. They can't afford to have this go to trial. Who's they? They, meaning the other side, Blake Lively, Ryan Reynolds, cannot afford to, and not financially afford. They cannot weather the collateral damage that will be done at a trial.
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That's already being done. It's already, I was going to say, it's already been, I don't know, I mean, you can manage your way, I suppose, out of anything from a crisis management standpoint, but the amount of self-inflicted damage in this case so much on their side, not just laying it at Brian's feet, kind of their tone death responses to things has just been astonishing to me.
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I believe so. At some point, everybody's going to get into a room. There's going to be a retired judge as a mediator. He's going to sit there and he's going to do shuttle diplomacy. It's going to end the way that almost all disputes in Hollywood end, which is a mediated settlement.
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Oh, shock.
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The Americans want our resources, our water, our land, our country. Think about it. If they succeeded, they would destroy our way of life. And Canada never, ever will be part of America in any way, shape or form. The Canadians are always ready when someone else drops the gloves. So the Americans, they should make no mistake, in trade as in hockey, Canada will win.
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Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
And Hunter, even though he was pardoned and he's not going to prison, Hunter does not have great earning capacity. The trough is empty. The spigot has shut down. They need a way to get back in the game to make big money to have the grandchildren fed and clothed and flown first class, et cetera.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
Biden's doing this to fight back or Biden's doing this for his reputation. I talked to a very someone very familiar with the Bidens, and I think they've pointed out something that I'm going to say now that to me is the explanation, or at least part of the explanation, which is Biden Inc. has collapsed.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
If all those Biden grandkids had a lavish lifestyle, which they very much liked, Hunter made hundreds of thousands of dollars, millions of dollars. Joe, as a former president, is not in a position to get the same kind of paid speeches, corporate boards, book deal. Biden Inc. needs a source of revenue.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Instant Action on Illegal Immigration, CNN Cuts, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 990
I don't know the young lady. Oklahoma Senator Mark Wayne Mullen said Hexeth addressed the allegation in their meeting.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Instant Action on Illegal Immigration, CNN Cuts, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 990
I actually have.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Nominee Chavez-DeRemer Grilled, RFK Unleashed, Lively-Baldoni Latest: AM Update for 2/20
This is a negotiation between two fractions of the party that is saying we're willing to work together.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Nominee Chavez-DeRemer Grilled, RFK Unleashed, Lively-Baldoni Latest: AM Update for 2/20
Lori represents someone that is uniquely positioned to bring people like Sean and I who presented Lori to President Trump and said, this is someone that we can work together with. This is a negotiation between two fractions. the party that is saying we're willing to work together.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Nominee Chavez-DeRemer Grilled, RFK Unleashed, Lively-Baldoni Latest: AM Update for 2/20
In fact, you tweeted at me one, two, three, four, five times. And let me read what the last one said. Quit the tough guy act and these Senate hearings. You know where to find me. Any place, any time, cowboy. Sir, this is a time, this is a place. You want to run your mouth. We can be two consenting adults. We can finish it here.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Nominee Chavez-DeRemer Grilled, RFK Unleashed, Lively-Baldoni Latest: AM Update for 2/20
You want to do it now?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Nominee Chavez-DeRemer Grilled, RFK Unleashed, Lively-Baldoni Latest: AM Update for 2/20
Well, stand your butt up then.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Nominee Chavez-DeRemer Grilled, RFK Unleashed, Lively-Baldoni Latest: AM Update for 2/20
Oh, hold on. Oh, stop it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Mumbles Through Farewell Speech, and Jill's Mean Girl Exit, with Ana Kasparian, Kevin Madden, Amala Ekpunobi, and Link Lauren | Ep. 984
They pushed us super hard to take down things that were honestly were true, right? I mean, they basically pushed us and said, you know, anything that says that vaccines might have side effects, you basically need to take down.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Mumbles Through Farewell Speech, and Jill's Mean Girl Exit, with Ana Kasparian, Kevin Madden, Amala Ekpunobi, and Link Lauren | Ep. 984
This is like a very big sea change in terms of who are the voices that matter. And what we do is we try to build a platform that gives people a voice. But I know there's this wholesale... generational shift in who are the people who are being listened to. And I think that that's like a very fascinating thing that is going on because I think that that's like what's going on here.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Mumbles Through Farewell Speech, and Jill's Mean Girl Exit, with Ana Kasparian, Kevin Madden, Amala Ekpunobi, and Link Lauren | Ep. 984
It's not just the government and people saying, hey, we want like a very big change here. I think it's just like a wholesale shift in saying, we just want different people who we actually trust.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Mumbles Through Farewell Speech, and Jill's Mean Girl Exit, with Ana Kasparian, Kevin Madden, Amala Ekpunobi, and Link Lauren | Ep. 984
who are actually going to tell us the truth and not give us the bullshit opinions that you're supposed to say, but the type of stuff that I would actually... When I'm sitting in my living room with my friends, the stuff that we know is true. Who are the people who have the courage to actually just say that stuff? I don't know.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Mumbles Through Farewell Speech, and Jill's Mean Girl Exit, with Ana Kasparian, Kevin Madden, Amala Ekpunobi, and Link Lauren | Ep. 984
I think that whole cultural elite class needs to get repopulated with people who people actually trust.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Mumbles Through Farewell Speech, and Jill's Mean Girl Exit, with Ana Kasparian, Kevin Madden, Amala Ekpunobi, and Link Lauren | Ep. 984
Looking back, would you have taken that trip overseas?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
But let me ask you about that, because because that's a common answer. He once addressed a dead congresswoman at an event meant to honor her as if she were Jackie. He was sequestered from the media, talked to the media far less often, even in 2020, including 2024. I don't think you needed to see anything secret or private or that debate to see mental decline. Do you not agree with that?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
Were you at the famous George Clooney fundraiser?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
So do you think it's true that he didn't recognize George Clooney? No, is the answer to the question. And I mean, it's like an absurd thing. I just want to say you were there and you were standing right there. You weren't over on the side of the room. And you can say without fear of any contradiction. And you remember clearly the president did not not know. He knew who George Clooney was.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
So so so you're saying there was no opportunity for the president not to recognize George.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah, it does. But Rich made a really good point just now that it's not necessarily new. And there were people who were reporting on this in different publications when they were allowed to who were getting absolutely hammered for trying to tell the American people that they were concerns in private about this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So it's hard for me to listen to Joy Reid say that on air right now because I just don't believe this. I do not believe that if she's on the phone with Obama World during this debate, those same people were not telling her. It has been bad all along. They're not able to get away with the lie anymore, and it's really sickening.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I don't think Biden actually even has, after watching that, I don't think he has the mental capacity to make the decision that Nicholas Kristof is asking him to make. Nicholas Kristof is asking him to reflect on the debate and make a decision. Joe Biden didn't seem to know where he was at certain moments of that debate.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Here's what I find especially infuriating about that. She chose, she editorialized with all of the sanctimony in the world to say that word, to focus in on that word, quote, execute.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I don't know if she knows any of the context that you just provided, which is all completely accurate and known to people who follow the news closely, unless you're in a total bubble and aren't doing your job, which is obviously the case here. But she chose to editorialize and say, it's not true. You can't execute. You can't kill babies.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I mean, actually, it depends on whether or not you consider having a baby who could be cared for born alive and then left without care. If you don't consider that an execution, okay. But she is injecting here to quibble editorially. She doesn't have a leg to stand on on this particular issue. There are obvious moments where Kamala Harris could have been fact-checked just as any candidate could.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I don't object to them fact-checking Donald Trump. I object to them fact-checking, as Rich said, period. We didn't, after that CNN debate about Biden, talk about the moderators for a lot of reasons, namely because of Biden, but we also really saw them sink into the background of that debate. It was the opposite in this case.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They were constantly injecting themselves, constant fact checks, didn't get a fact check on IVF, Project 2025, as Abigail Schreier pointed out, nothing on Charlottesville, even when Snopes, had fact-checked what Joe Biden was saying about Charlottesville that Kamala Harris repeated. Nothing on abortion, nothing on that bloodbath comment. They just let it all go and just went straight for Trump.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It was all him, nothing, not one fact-check on Kamala Harris.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And that was fairly early in the debate. So the vast majority of everybody who will consume the debate consumed that moment. So people saw that happen live. There's nothing, there's no spin in the world. There's no Joe Biden had a cold that can in any way whatsoever change people's opinion of what they saw happen in front of them on that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And, you know, you said when you were in your opening, it sort of gave me chills. It's like a dark, day in America. That is exactly how I feel. It's a very sad day to be an American because that is the president of the United States. The first lady is responsible for putting him in this position. There's no question about that in my mind.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The people close to him are responsible for putting him in this position. And on top of that, we're seeing reactions roll in. The New York Times during the debate published a story saying that sources were telling one of their columnists three Democratic sources telling their columnists that they were just stunned and shocked. We saw Casey Hunt say something similar over at MSNBC.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And I'm curious, are they pretending to be surprised? Because people close to Joe Biden who have spent time with Joe Biden have got to have known. I mean, we saw him do a press conference not that long ago where he was telling everybody Robert Herr was wrong, and he was losing track of his sentences there. But here we are, fast forward to the debate.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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In addition to that Medicare answer, his answer on abortion became an answer on immigration. It was impossible to follow. He had no train of thought to follow. It was a disaster. I've really never seen anything like it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And he spent the last week not being president of the United States, but in Camp David, at Camp David, doing debate prep. And OK, not being the president of the United States, he was obviously doing both. But it's highly unusual to take an entire week while you're president of the United States, go to Camp David, and prep.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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What's even more unusual, obviously, is then to come out looking like there was no prep in the world that could have prepared you to answer a basic question. My word association with that clip is medical. This is medical.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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For all of the conversation about Donald Trump and the 25th Amendment during his presidency, I mean, that has to be seriously on the table as the American people figure out what is going on with the man who is making nuclear, nuclear decisions. There are two hot wars right now, one in Ukraine, one in the Middle East. And this is the man with the power over our military.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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That is the commander-in-chief. It's beyond a presidential election. I think what everybody just saw, those clips are going to be so viral. Forget how many people actually have been watching this live. I think the number was pretty high. But Biden's moments there, they will be viral. They will live in infamy. They will never, ever, ever escape him.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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His entire reputation will be tethered to this for the rest of his life.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Every time he comes on stage or they turn to him, I'm like, Joe, can you get it out? Let's get the words out, Joe. You kind of feel bad for him.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Media's ICE Hoax, Vance's Masterclass on CBS, and Trump vs. Bass, with Steve Bannon and Batya Ungar-Sargon | Ep. 992
We know that the first phase will take some time. Phase one will take up to three months, maybe even longer, six months to get the toxics off. At the same time that that is occurring, we'll be coming behind you with the process of debris removal. The debris removal can take up to 18 months, supervisor. And I'm gonna stop there because I wanna make sure everybody hears that clearly.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Media's ICE Hoax, Vance's Masterclass on CBS, and Trump vs. Bass, with Steve Bannon and Batya Ungar-Sargon | Ep. 992
I know we wanna set expectations. And I said at the beginning, I'm gonna tell you what I know, what I know.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
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Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
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The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Here is what she said to me on the air. You were not there, but we had you on alone and then we had her on alone and I followed up. Listen.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
It's so good to talk to you because I talk to your partner in crime. He's not really, you just come on together sometimes. Mark Garagos, I know he's a friend and you guys grew up in the California legal system together. And of course, he's representing them and is 100% on the other side and came on and totally convinced me that they should be let out. Now I hear you talk.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
I'm like, ah, no, these are good points. She got me, Mark. And I think she got the new guy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
What about her point about all the other more deserving guys who didn't murder anybody who have to sit their asses in prison forever?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
They're famous. They didn't get Lifetime movies made about them or what's his name? Was it Ryan Murphy who just redid the story?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
I don't know how I feel anymore. I like they definitely murdered their parents. And we talked about how that is the ultimate F in parenting. So the parents have some culpability here one way or the other. There's no question. They weren't ideal parents. They definitely I believe they were abusive. And I actually believe Jose was was a sexual abuser, too. I do. Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
I just think there's been, I mean, with the Menudo guy coming forward to say that he was abused by, by Jose too. Like, why would he have done that? Why would he say all that? You know, all these years later, that's nothing most men want to admit, but he admitted it. So it's like, we know he was an abuser and it's not, they never do it with just one. So I do have some empathy for these young men.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
For more info or to enroll, visit gcu.edu. Welcome back to the show, guys. Hello. Happy holidays. Ho, ho, ho. And to you. How you doing, Mark?
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Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Go ahead.
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Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
The DA in the case is on tape saying you can't rape a man. A man cannot be raped.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Arthur's always fighting for his airtime. He's like, I'll make any point I have to make to sell the camera.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Wow, you really dropped a whopper on us there. What?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Wow. Wait, let me ask you this to finish up on a procedural note, Mark. The report by Variety was that this new DA, Hockman, just removed the two deputies who sought to reduce Lyle and Eric's sentences, which is no bueno for you. So he's stepping in and he doesn't seem sympathetic, but they already filed a motion asking the court to reevaluate this. So Does he like is the ball already in motion?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
I'm great. I love the holidays and I love true crime. So this is everything that I adore coming together. Um, there's actually a lot going on. You never know whether, you know, we go to these true crime Christmas specials, which always do well. People are like us. They are also into these stories. Um, whether you're going to have a, an embarrassment of riches or a paucity of results.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Is it too late for him to reverse course on this? Like this judge is going to decide right once and for all. Or can he stop? Can he stop the consideration of it?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
That's the next big date in this case, January 30th or 31st, and we will know a lot more at that point. So, okay, very interesting, good debate, and we'll find out what happens. Let's move on to Jay-Z and Diddy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Now, we knew that Diddy was facing all sorts of criminal charges and tons of civil suits, and my God, I can't even keep track of the number of things that have been alleged against Sean Combs or P. Diddy. But here he is in this picture with Jay-Z, who... who is also known as Beyonce's husband. And now Jay-Z's been dragged into one civil suit by one of the Diddy accusers.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
And this now 30-something-year-old woman, I think she's 37 now, who claims that she was 13 years old at the time this happened to her, has filed a lawsuit through this lawyer who's suing P. Diddy in many cases. Like, this guy's going to build a summer home based on what he hopes to recover. Or three. In these lawsuits. Or three summer homes. Three. Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
So he says that he's got this woman who, when she was 13 years old, um, she went to the VMA awards in New York city, like by herself, looking to get in and meet celebrities. Not surprisingly, she says she couldn't get in. She says she decided to chat up the limo drivers waiting for the celebs outside. And that one of them said to her something to the effect of you look like Diddy's type. Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
And that then she was brought back to Diddy's house after the VMA Awards at Rock Center in Manhattan in the year 2000. And that there she was raped. Not only she was given something that made her feel drugged, a drink, and she was raped not only by Diddy, but also by Jay-Z.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
and that when Diddy then tried to come for her again that evening, she grabbed her clothes and ran out, and that her father picked her up at a gas station nearby the home. The father, and I presume she, lived five hours away in Rochester, New York. Now, unfortunately for this woman and her lawyer, this guy Busby, some inconsistencies have surfaced in the account.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Most notably, the father comes out and says, that never happened. I never went and picked her up at any post-diddy party. I think I'd remember that. I live five hours away. And that would seem to be a near insurmountable problem for Mr. Busby in this lawsuit, Mark. But you tell me.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
And I gotta say it's the former let's kick it off with Mark's biggest current case? Probably not, knowing Mark. But it's a big one. It's all over the news. Mark and I have debated it before. Marsha Clark came on and she did not agree with you that the Menendez brothers should and possibly will be released. Something bad happened for your clients since the last time we spoke.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Yeah, no, Jay-Z is denying it in the strongest terms, and he's responding to this. I'll get to her other inconsistencies in a second, but he's responding to the fact that she's been caught with some apparent whoppers by saying, today's investigative report proves that this, quote, attorney, Busby, filed a false complaint against me in pursuit of money and fame.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
And that badness was... the LA district attorney, George Gascon, who was pushing to have them possibly let out early, lost his election. Wah, wah. And the new guy, Mark...
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
The incident did not happen, and yet he filed it in court and doubled down in the press. True justice is coming. We fight from victory, not for victory. This was over before it began. This 1-800 lawyer doesn't realize it yet, but soon. And here are some of the other problems with her story as she told it through this lawyer. Okay.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
She claimed that she talked to specific celebrities at the Diddy after party. She said, for example, she spoke to musicians, Fred Durst and Benji Madden, recalling a conversation, uh, quoting her from a Washington post report about the good Charlotte members last supper tattoo. Uh, I have a religious background, she said. So it was something to talk about.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Okay, but NBC News said a representative for Benji Madden confirmed that Benji, as well as his twin brother Joel, were touring in the Midwest at the time of the 2000 VMAs and did not attend the event. So there's that. There's the father. And then there is this. Okay. She claimed that she went back to the after party at Diddy's house to a large white residence with a giant U shaped driveway.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
And NBC news is reporting that I guess there was a party, but it was at Lotus. Is that what it is? But they said that the building's now closed and it does not match the description of the place she claimed she was taken at all. So there's a few things here that, That don't match up.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
And she is saying, I have made some mistakes, but she stands by her story saying, I may have gotten some of the details wrong, but I stand by it. And, but here's the capper. All right. This is the last piece of info for you guys. This is the worst part to me. Busby puts out a statement in the wake of this, right? This is terrible, Arthur.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
And he says, Jane Doe's case was referred to our firm by another law firm. So already it's bad. Like, we don't know Jane Doe, right? Somebody else did the legwork on this. who vetted it prior to sending it to us. I'm innocent. Don't hold it against me, Busby. Our client remains fiercely adamant that what she has stated is true to the best of her memory.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
is not a fan of this push and keeps naming you in the press and saying you've been misleading everybody into thinking that they didn't get a fair trial second time around, that they weren't allowed to discuss the sexual abuse allegations, which he says they were. He said they argued everything you want them to have been able to argue and the jury rejected it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
I mean, how many qualifiers can you get in there? She is adamant that what she has stated is true to the best of her memory. And then says, we will continue to vet her claims. Hello? That should have been done before you filed a lawsuit against Jay-Z and Diddy and collect corroborating data to the extent it exists. Okay, well, we will look forward to that, Mr. Busby.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Then he claims she agreed to submit to a polygraph, though he doesn't claim she's actually sat for one yet. And then he says, we'll do our best to vet every claim made in all of our cases, just as we will in this case. This has been extremely distressing for her. Here we go. Ready? To the point she has experienced seizures and had to seek medical treatment due to the stress.
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I don't believe one word of that. She did not get seizures from the stress of this. Did she get seizures, Arthur Adala?
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Would you have done things like calling, you know, the guys in this band, like their reps to say, I'm investigating this case. Can you confirm whether your clients were in New York at the VMAs in 2000? Like, would you have done that kind of work before submitting a complaint? I mean,
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And so he's calling you out, which suggests to me he's not on board and they may not, they weren't home for Thanksgiving, but they may not be home even for Valentine's Day at this point. What do you think?
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That's a no shit moment when you hear the dad say, no, no. I think I'd remember like, oh God, help us out. But no, this does not look real. And Jay-Z's denying it in the strongest terms. And I know it's very fun to say, oh, a very rich celebrity, I'm in. Tell me all the terrible stuff he's done. But we have to be just as cautious about what look like bullshit allegations.
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And when they smell bad, call it out as such. Okay, let's move on.
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It's not about saying penis. You were like, oh, she chopped her dad's penis off and shoved it down his throat. Go on. People are listening to this. They're driving their cars. They don't know what they're coming at them. Okay, let's talk about the horror that was the UnitedHealthcare CEO murder, Brian Thompson, killed by this guy, Luigi Mangione.
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It's so bizarre, you know, this young guy, 26 years old, with everything in front of him, you know, had the world at his fingertips, valedictorian, went to an Ivy League, University of UPenn, got a master's, was never in trouble with the law before, you know, like one minor traffic violation, something stupid. and now facing charges in New York of second-degree murder. Let's just start there.
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I'll stick with you on this, Arthur. Why second-degree murder instead of first-degree murder in New York?
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Mm-hmm. Oh, God, that was awful. Mark, let's say they call you up, Luigi Mangione, and I believe he's just hired Karen Agnifilo, the wife of Mark Agnifilo, who represented Keith Raniere in the NXIVM case, who I interviewed when that whole thing was going down. He did not get Keith Raniere off. But in any event, so let's say he has second thoughts and he actually wants Mark Garagos.
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How do you defend Luigi Mangione?
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It's your daughter, right? I'm not mad at my booker. She told me.
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And I think you have to focus a little bit on... Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. When you say there may be some mental element that justifies it, are you talking about an insanity defense? Because that's the only mental element that would justify this.
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I'll tell you the facts. He murdered Brian Thompson, I think because he's a nutcase. I don't know that he's going to rise to an insanity defense. But the reason we know it's not some speculation is because he had a fucking explanation written down on his person right next to the gun that he used to shoot the man. This is not going to be a tough one.
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We don't need to pretend that this is like the Jay-Z situation. He is cooked.
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John Hinckley Jr. got out.
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This guy, you're telling me Luigi could get out, he could get convicted and he could get out after 34 years? Yes.
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That's ridiculous. That's absolutely ridiculous. This guy, how much more could you tell? Are they used to prosecute cases? How much more could you ask for? You find the guy. He's got the gun on him. He's got a confession saying, let me save you the trouble. I didn't work with anybody. It was me, all me, and here's why I did it. You've got his fingerprints at the scene.
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Get back in there and deliberate.
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Let me add to Mark's question because my question too was, so the prosecution realizing that the jury was hung on the most serious charge in Daniel, Daniel Penny, um, reckless endangerment said, nevermind, we'll drop it. We'll pull it. Okay. They can't agree on it. We'll pull it and just make them decide criminally negligent homicide. Yes or no.
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And the reports uniformly said they dismissed the reckless endangerment without prejudice. But hadn't Jeopardy already attached at that point? How could they possibly have argued that they were preserving their right to try him again on reckless endangerment?
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But it doesn't attach when the jury is sworn in. Yes. Yes. That's what it said. It was once. That's what. Yes.
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Your case just got hobbled.
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Jay-Z, Diddy, the Menendez brothers, and much, much more. Joining me now, Arthur Idalla, trial attorney extraordinaire and managing partner Idalla, Bertuna and Kamens and host of the Arthur Idalla Power Hour on AM 970 in New York. Also with us today, Mark Garagos, also extraordinaire trial lawyer and managing partner of Garagos and Garagos and host of Reasonable Doubt, which is a great podcast.
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They really wanted to get him, which just showed they were not just checking a box. They desperately wanted to get him. And the reason they desperately wanted to get him is because you had a woke prosecutor.
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She was on camera having said, oh, you know, I'm always looking for the racial justice and I make sure I look out for the marginalized communities when I decide who to prosecute and who not to. And in this case, she thought that Jordan Neely was the marginalized one. and Daniel Penny was some privileged white guy, even though he's like a former Marine with no money.
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That's how this DA's office sees everything. They're as woke as they come. We've seen this time and time again from them. Video or no video, they never would have charged this case if... if Penny had been black and had wound up holding nearly a white man in a chokehold to his death. Never.
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They have a reasonable... They have a reasonable objection. But listen, before we leave the subject of this, I want to do two things. I want to talk about this DA. Actually, let's do the civil suit in the Penny case first, and then we'll go back to Alvin Bragg because he made just an outrageous decision about the Trump case.
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And the judge, of course, sided with him because the judge continues to side with him against Trump, Judge Mershon. But anyway, let's stick on Daniel Penny for a second because now Penny's off the hook criminally, but not civilly.
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So much in the same way we saw in the OJ Simpson case where OJ got off criminally, but then got sued by the Goldman family and lost, was found civilly liable for wrongful death of Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson. That's what they're trying to do to Daniel Penny. So Jordan Neely, the decedent's Father has now brought a civil suit against Daniel Penny.
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I mean, even though this guy was absent from his son's life, his son was in the system, in and out, on drugs. Where was the dad then? Nowhere to be found. But now that there's potential money involved, he's back. And he's filing a civil lawsuit, Mark, where he wants to try to get blood from a stone. That stone is named Daniel Penny. What do you make of it?
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I insist.
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This it's fine for this dad to like claim, Oh gee, you know, but there's going to be testimony about him. There's a report in the New York post saying he and his son would argue after the dad asked Jordan Neely to share the proceeds he earned from his performance as a Michael Jackson impersonator. And he refused. This dad was always trying to get money from the son. That's how it makes it sound.
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Even in death, he's trying to get money off of his son. I don't think a New York jury is going to fall for this for one second. I don't think he's going to get anything. We'll see. But wait, we got to go back to Luigi because this just breaking as we're talking. Arthur, they just charged him with murder in the first degree. Are they listening to us right now?
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Did we persuade them that the second degree wasn't good enough?
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They said that he was indicted by a grand jury on murder in the first degree, charged with 11 counts, including murder in the first degree, one count of murder in the first degree, two counts of murder in the second degree per the Washington Post. So they did it. There's got to be a reason why they were able to increase it. And I have to say, thank God. Thank God.
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There's no way this guy should be getting out after 32 years. Bullshit. He cut this guy down in the prime of his life. You know, 16 year old, 18 year old son died. running a big company self-made didn't come from any sort of money. Brian Thompson, these Cretans who are celebrating it are absolutely disgusting.
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We saw a poll showing 41% of 18 to 29 year olds approve of Luigi's behavior more than the number who disapprove, which was just 40%. So not by much, but they do. And so here's the question I have for you, Gary goes, knowing that if you actually do get hired by Luigi, like someone in your family did, um, Do you go for jury nullification?
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You try to stack the jury with young people and you try at every turn to get in the terrible misdeeds of the insurance industry. And when you get an objection from the prosecution that that is totally irrelevant to the trial, you try to sneak it in however you can. Even if it gets stricken, you make the jury hear it and you hope one of those young people is in that 41%.
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OK, so there's two different avenues that you're talking about. You're trying to first you're trying to say the underlying trial was unfair to them. They weren't allowed to present fully the defense of imperfect self-defense, meaning we'd been abused by our parents. We actually did get ourselves worked up to the point where we thought we were going to be murdered by them.
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That's why we murdered our parents on the night that we did, even though they weren't rushing after us with loaded guns. We rushed after them with loaded guns, given what we believed in our heads. That's one lane. And the second lane is model prisoners. They've been there for a very, very long time.
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This same DA we've been debating who brought the criminal charges against Daniel Penny for protecting those subway passengers is the one who brought the charges against Donald Trump for falsification of business records around his nondisclosure agreement with Stormy Daniels. And the one of the many problems that Alvin Bragg now faces is a his client was elected president again.
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And it's going to make sentencing Trump very complicated. When will he serve his time, if ever? Will there be actual time assigned and so on? But secondly, the U.S. Supreme Court. then ruled that presidents have immunity for their official acts and that not only do they have immunity, but you can't even introduce into evidence in a case against them evidence of their official acts.
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They're just totally off limits. as an evidentiary perspective. And yet that ruling came after this trial. And at the trial, they did have testimony about Trump while he was in the Oval Office doing various things, including with Hope Hicks, who was his advisor. And the prosecution argued that it had been critical evidence in closing. So Trump...
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recently filed a request to Judge Mershon to throw out the criminal verdict, saying this is not consistent with the Supreme Court's ruling. You allowed evidence in against me, which has now been deemed inadmissible by the highest court in the land. And Rashawn, shockingly, didn't see it that way and will not order a new trial and does not think that this was a problem.
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They've done everything they can to rehabilitate themselves in the eyes of the law and the prisoners and so on. And so either one of those tracks can get them out early. Now here's Nathan Hockman, the new DA. This is fascinating to me. He spoke with them. deadline. And now he's given an interview to NBC as well. But here's what he said in part.
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So while we're on the subject of Alvin Bragg, what's going to happen in that case, Arthur? You're a New York lawyer.
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Once I got up to speed, oh, first he says, once I get up to speed, I'm going to call Mark Garagos. I'm going to invite him to come in and I'm going to let him make any level presentation he wants. But he, so far, doesn't seem impressed with the argument.
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He's about to do four years of that. Go ahead, Mark.
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Mm-mm. The appellate court will see through this. They will see how the prosecution argued in closing that that evidence about Trump's official behavior was critical to their case by their own admission, the prosecution's own admission, not to mention all the other ridiculous legal gymnastics that were pulled in this case.
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Yeah, it is kind of exciting. I can't wait to see it get reversed. Okay, so we've got to move on to Derek Chauvin. I don't understand this one. Maybe you guys understand it better than I do. I don't totally get what's happening here. But the headline is that he has won the right to examine George Floyd's autopsy results as he challenges his murder conviction.
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He says, look, the assumption that the second trial, that the issue of abuse wasn't raised, he says that's because of Mr. Garagos' mantra, which the media has repeated. He said Eric Menendez testified in the second trial for seven days, probably, if I had to guess, close to 40 hours of testimony where he went into great detail as he did in the first trial.
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Lawyers for Derek Chauvin, quoting here from the Daily Mail, have been granted permission to examine heart tissue and fluid samples taken from George Floyd's body. U.S. District Judge Paul Magnuson granted the motion after attorneys argued it was a heart condition that claimed the 46-year-old George Floyd's life, not Chauvin's knee. on the neck.
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Defense team now will have the ability to procure evidence from histology slides and tissue samples taken from the victim's heart during his initial autopsy, the results of which were used to convict Chauvin along with three other officers.
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Chauvin's lawyers are also allowed to inspect and make copies of any photographs taken of Floyd's heart during the initial autopsy, which found Floyd's heart had stopped. while he was being restrained and that his death was a homicide. So what is happening here? Who wants to take this one?
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I don't get it because they definitely argued during the trial that it wasn't the knee on the neck that caused him to die, that George Floyd was on a bunch of drugs and had a heart issue and a lung issue that caused his death.
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And I don't get why they wouldn't have done the whole, let's see the tissue to see the deprivation, whatever they're looking for during the course of the trial or how the judge could be going down this lane. I mean, is there a chance here, Mark, that... This judge is going to grant the request for a new trial, which is what they're asking for, or at least an evidentiary hearing.
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Incident by incident by incident between the ages, I think, of six to 18 of what his father had done to him. So the notion, again, that the mantra, that the sexual abuse was not explored in the second trial, that the judge kept out all the evidence actually isn't true. Question by deadline. So why do you think that's become so accepted?
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This should be re-examined. There was so much pressure. You got to watch the fall of Minneapolis by Alpha News. You can, I think, just Google it on YouTube and watch it on their YouTube channel. That's a very respected news organization there in Minnesota.
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And they took a deep dive on this and found the amount of pressure that was on the coroner to say, oh, the official cause of death is cardiopulmonary arrest caused by law enforcement, right? caused by law enforcement, as opposed to maybe it was caused by drugs. Maybe it was caused by, you know, the stress, but that guy was under pressure. The DAs were under pressure.
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I mean, the jury was under pressure. All of these people were under, this guy did not get a fair trial and he should be given a new trial. I really hope he gets one. Okay. Last but not least, Liam Payne, the former singer of One Direction who died in a Buenos Aires, hotel room a couple of months ago, uh, on October 16th, he was just 31 years old.
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There's something interesting happening now in that investigation, the Rolling Stone exclusive reporting that according to new documents they've obtained, the judge in the case has charged. That's the word they use to workers, including the receptionist head who called nine one one, um, as the judge investigates them for wrongful death.
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The judge has also called for all suspects in the case to be questioned as part of the investigation. The judge is investigating them, again, for wrongful death, being investigated for possible imprudence, negligence, or lack of skill in their profession, leading to the death of another person, according to the statute.
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According to the Buenos Aires judicial system, after interrogation, the judge must determine whether the defendants should be further prosecuted, dropped from the case, or if there is not evidentiary support for either decision. Remember, this guy went off the balcony. Um, when he was reportedly, well, he was seen to be high on drugs or appear to be high on drugs.
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So what's, what do we think is happening here? I don't think either of you guys are likely admitted in Buenos Aires, but what's happening, Arthur? Who are they trying to charge? Like the security staff, the front desk person, because they knew that he was acting crazy. Apparently he had reportedly broken a TV and there was buzzing around him like something's wrong with this guy.
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Hockman, I mean, I've been doing this for 34 years and I've seen it. The media is in search of simple narratives, conflicting narratives. And so it adopted the Garagos narrative, which was smart, very creative. It's basically that the trial was all about sexual abuse, that their response was because of sexual abuse.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
And I think the allegation is they didn't do enough to stop this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
I like story time with Arthur.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
This is I mean, we'll find out.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Did you really like the Allen charge? Did you think it was right the way they dismiss it without prejudice and it could be brought back? I think the Senate's a good message.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Does this stand for prosecution ho, like whore? I don't know what this nickname is.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
I object on my own behalf.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
This is your chance to apologize. I'm not hearing anything. So now you got to go. Segment's over. It landed on a very dark note. Arthur, Merry Christmas. Mark, good luck. Thank you, Megan. To you too, and Happy New Year. Merry Christmas. Love you guys. Thanks for coming on. Take care. All right. See you soon. And that will wrap up today's edition of Kelly's Court.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
It's that a conviction was only attained because the evidence of sexual abuse did not occur in the second trial, but did occur in the first trial. And therefore that the underlying conviction is wrong and should be fixed. Very simple narrative. What makes it a And that's why the media would have to deal with additional work is what he says.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
I'll allow Mark to use that word because the last time he did it, I laughed and told him it was okay. But it hasn't grown on me. Now I'm actually going to start objecting to it. He means it lovingly. He's a defense guy. He's trying to say I'm much more prosecution, which he's right. I am. But it's case by case. I mean, you know, I was definitely not pro-prosecution in the Trump case.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
I was not in the Daniel Penny case. So, you know, I recognize very well that these prosecutors can be and they must be called out when they behave that way. I hope you don't have any in your life this Christmas holiday, and I look forward to getting you through it, if you do, with some exciting and interesting true crime episodes all week. We'll see you tomorrow.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
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Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
And finally, he goes on to say, knowing the Garagos narrative is absolutely wrong. The issues that we will be looking at for the trial will be whether or not these two young men faced an immediate threat to their life. Why they got to that point. Mark, I don't like your chances suddenly.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
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Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
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The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Well, you know, actually, I have my own story on this, because when I went to law school, it was between 92 and 95, and I did a little internship for a solo criminal defense practitioner, Mark Garagos. See, I wasn't always prosecution-minded.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
I know I don't like it. I object to my nickname. Anyway, um, this guy had me on this case where it was two lesbians. So it was kind of similar to your argument, Arthur, where I was saying we should argue battered woman syndrome on her behalf. And there was a woman syndrome and there was a woman there. It just happened to be that her, you know, deceased partner was also a woman.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
So we were, we were on the same path, my friend. And we did argue that. And then I'll tell you the rest of the story later about the guy I interned with. It didn't end well for him. Turned out he was kind of a fan of the criminal law in a different way. Anywho. So back to the Menendez brothers. Wow. I don't get how you're going to go in there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
right? I was like, ew, I don't want to be with these guys. I want to go on the other side. I want you to explain what Eric wasn't allowed to testify to in trial number two, because the first trial was a hung jury and they got let off. Then the DA brought the second trial against them for killing their parents.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
And the narrative has been, including by you, that they weren't allowed to testify to all the sexual abuse that they suffered in the second trial. It was much more limited. Therefore, the jury didn't get to hear how awful life was under Kitty and Jose Menendez. And you weren't allowed to really defend them in the way that you wanted.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
So what what specifically was denied that you would that you think was there?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
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The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Here's what Hockman, the new DA is saying, Arthur, he says to deadline. As I said, Eric Menendez was able to testify in great detail about all the sexual abuse he experienced. He was even able to testify about sexual abuse Lyle experienced.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
He was even able to testify about the fact that Lyle purportedly confronted his father, their father about this whole issue, which is why they had some level of fear that their father was going to kill them. All of that was presented to the jury and the jury still convicted them both of first degree murder.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Now, does that sound to you like a DA who still is behind the prospect of taking another look at this case and possibly pushing to let these young men out? Well, they're not young anymore.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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We've reached a point where it's just too many mistakes and too much censorship. The recent elections also feel like a cultural tipping point towards once again prioritizing speech. So we're going to get back to our roots and focus on reducing mistakes, simplifying our policies, and restoring free expression on our platforms.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Well, he's an interesting figure, right, because he does vote sometimes against Republican presidents, including this one. He does care about the integrity of the court, the reputation of the court.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
The statement he put out a few days ago in reaction to the president calling for impeachment of judges whose rulings he didn't like testifies to his willingness to play in the real world and not just in the rarefied earth.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
uh air of the high court i think that they're going to rule some against the president in some form and they're going to be some that are result oriented they don't they don't all rule on the merits sad to say i think in this case and in the ones uh that are comparable as you suggested as we've been mentioned deference the commander-in-chief on this stuff something where there's clearly popular will
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
You can find that. You don't need to look outside the walls of the Constitution to find that. And I agree with Sean. They'll probably vote with the president on this one. But Roberts has got to expedite these things. It doesn't make any sense for America to not expedite them. These should be on the fastest of tracks.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
They should be on a track like Bush v. Gore, not treated at all like normal cases because it's a campaign promise and it's happening now. This is not some abstract thing. It's happening now. So I wish you would expedite them. However, the court rules. I hope the president does what he said several times he'll do, which is adhere to the rulings of the court.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
On Governor Walz, I didn't understand why he was picked originally, and nothing he's done since he was picked has cleared up my confusion. On the question of these policies, your viewers understand the central role these issues played in the election. I think part of the challenge for the part of the country that still doesn't get it is the media, for the most part, still doesn't get it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
And when you ask about will a Democrat change it back? Well, if they rename Dulles Airport Steve Bannon Airport, maybe they would change that back. But most of these things I think will be very difficult to change back because the energy in this country is not with this frog boiling in the water move towards and fetishizing race and gender.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
But the energy is for people who say, thank goodness for the change and the change happening quickly. The changes in the other direction happen very slowly. But they change dramatically over time. President Trump and the cultural and social forces that are pushing back are happening quite quickly.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
And I think they're going to they're going to move as things things tend to move quickly, tend to move hard and fast. And I think it's gonna be very difficult for a Democrat, not just politically, but practically to try to put these things back.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Good to see you. Good to be here, Megan. Thank you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Well, I couldn't be more excited. Very grateful to you, Steve, and your colleagues there for inviting me to join up. And it will be fun. And I hope to be worthy of being part of the mega metropolis of your media empire. So thank you. Very excited about it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Nothing more secure. Right?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Well, in Arkansas, we have a word for it. We call it chutzpah. Look, Dan knows Hillary Clinton better than I do, but you can hear her voice in that thing. There may have been some ghostwriting help, but that's her. And she has the rare honor, along with Kamala Harris, of losing presidential elections to Donald Trump. And she will never get over it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
And I understand why you're saying she shouldn't have been the one to write it. But it's a pretty good enunciation of the view of tens of millions of people about what's going on. And the Clintons, both Clintons, they just love the National Town Square. They don't want to be away from it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
I will also say that she has, not just because she lost to Donald Trump, but because of her worldview, she has a genetic inability to stay off of the stand to criticize him. It's in her craw. She cannot help herself.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
And I'm surprised that she's been relatively low key in the first 100 days here because she is, I know from talking to her friends, she's very engaged on this in a day-to-day capacity.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
She's one of the few people in the party who's an aircraft carrier who can take the fight to Trump with clarity. And while the answer is some donors were not happy to see it, I know some were not because it was her, but because, as Dan said, they need someone to enunciate the contrast. You know, Bill Clinton could do it. You know, Barack Obama could do it. They won't.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
They won't because they're former presidents, but she will. And so she's an imperfect messenger, obviously, but go read it and take the name off of it. And you'll see a lot of stuff, as Dan said, Democrats want to hear somebody saying.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
There's certainly people in their orbit who are interested in moving the spotlight if necessary to save their friend or their boss. I don't know about between the two of them. I think... My belief is that everyone on that chain bears some of the responsibility because they should have said, whoa, this conversation shouldn't be here.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
If there's two primary mistakes involved, errors of judgment beyond the shared error of all of them, one is allowing Jeffrey Goldberg on the chain. Still don't know how it happened, but the National Security Advisor is taking the blame for that. And for many, that's the big sin. And so Waltz is taking the blame there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
But the other is the sharing of information that almost everybody I know, including Sean, because we've talked about it on two-way, doesn't believe should have been on Signal. And that falls primarily on the Secretary of Defense. So they both have primary responsibility for one of the things that went wrong.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Many people have noticed that the president has been more critical of Waltz than he has of Hegseth. And there have been some reporting that for a couple hours, a couple of days at least, there was some chance the national security adviser would go. So those guys are both ferocious competitors. They both want to stay in their jobs.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
One of them has got more personal closest to the president, which is Hegseth. But it appears they're both fine for now. And in the last day, the tensions that I've heard between their camps have tamped down appreciably as it looked like they kind of teamed up to move the thing off the table.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Sorry. Go ahead, Mark. I can't think of any state whose state Supreme Court decisions have been as impactful, not just in the state, but kind of nationally resonant as Wisconsin. And like the political culture and the states and the U.S. senators, they are actually purple, right? You can't think of very many states because there aren't very many left who have senators from different parties.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Wisconsin does. Ron Johnson, far right MAGA. Tammy Baldwin, pretty far left. And you see on that state Supreme Court, the stakes are huge. Again, Wisconsin's probably been supplanted by Pennsylvania as the battleground state, but it's still number two. And so the stakes are high in order to not just impact that particular state.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
But the symbolism is what's important to so many to say we're going head to head with all the outside money and the state ground games to see who can win a very contested seat in Wisconsin. We've seen it before with Scott Walker. We've seen it before with the U.S. Senate race. It is high stakes there because of the national resonance of the state and our political culture.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Well, Henry, common sense versus nut job. There's always in the law, there's always ambiguity, and we don't know how any of these judges or justices will rule. When you add in the overlay of politics, it becomes more complicated. I think there's two important things here. One, you've illuminated, which is super important, which is the actual facts. If those facts are true,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
you'd have to make it akin to the president striking the Houthis. No federal judge is going to say, I'm enjoining the president from striking the Houthis, because this is for most Americans, and as a practical matter, it's every bit as urgent a war, in some ways more urgent, because it's right here at home than the president trying to clear up the shipping lanes in the Middle East.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
So number one, the facts matter. And if those facts are close to true, he should be unshackled to do this. And these district court judges, I think, should show some humility about what they're interfering with and stop acting like this isn't urgent. Number two, as someone who's had federal litigation that lasted 20 years, I know full well how slow the wheels of justice grind.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
In this case, I urge every district court judge, every appellate judge, every Supreme Court justice to think about these cases and not treat them all like they're on the same conveyor belt
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
of slow molasses moving this one should get expedited and ruled on so the president can deal with not just fulfilling a campaign promise but dealing with something that's threatening the life and liberty and property of americans which is yes akin to a war
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
How long did she go on for?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
Yeah. Like seven? I mean, look, obviously, to say the obvious, I don't want to minimize the horrible experience her mother had as she described it. But tonally, as you said, for the occasion... probably a little bit off key. But also, I agree with your view of it, which is don't ever minimize violence against anyone, including women.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
But to say that girls have to be kind of afraid their whole lives rather than strong and empowered and careful, I don't know that that would be the consensus view of how to shape the lives of young women.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
Look, I followed it probably not as closely as you, but I followed it really closely. It's an interesting story and it's compelling. And I agree with you. So far, based on what we've seen publicly, a lot of the things she said just are not backed up, but not just by documented evidence, but by other people who had insight into what happened.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
And clearly she's super concerned about her public image. And clearly whenever she goes out now, she's got the opportunity to try to shape it and reshape it. And I agree with you. This seems like a self-conscious attempt to recast her image at a time when she went on offense and now she's very much on defense.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
Yeah. And again, particularly for young people, to instill in them, rather than a sense of empowerment and strength and possibility and self-determination, to instill in them a fear that they can never be safe, just not the way I think anybody should parent, whether they're kids or boys or girls.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
You know, Gayle's in the always-be-booking mode.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
I'm glad you went. Glad you went.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
Well, I mean, I used to like going early in my career because I could see a lot of people, particularly after I moved to New York, which I did a long time ago and still covered Washington regularly. So I liked them just because I could see, you know, 50 people in one night and to reacquaint. So for me, that was good.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
The overall notion of the thing, particularly with a Republican president, is past its sell date. Because although Donald Trump has a special relationship with the media, it's always been a bunch of almost all liberal reporters from liberal organizations celebrating their own worldview and not treating George Bush the same as Barack Obama.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
um in addition it's supposed to be about celebrating journalism and and starting uh in uh uh you know three or four decades ago people started bringing celebrities and turned it into something very different so i washington in general is such a boring place that i don't mind a little celebrity and a little bit of excitement but this massive dinner particularly with donald trump in the in office and the white house correspondence
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
association, having gone just crazy anti-president. I think they would have been better off canceling it as opposed to doing the version of it they're going to do.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
know there's a thing in politico playbook this morning that i read twice because i thought maybe i was missing a parody but you know the parties have already started they start on like wednesday night and uh they quote a reporter saying that all the reporters are hugging each other and the hugs are lingering a little longer than usual because everybody is so upset
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
They're also traumatized by having to cover a Republican president. I mean, again, this goes back to the Biden years and the Obama years. The thing that's so obvious that they just won't admit is that the central dynamic here is not –
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
uh some of the things they claim it is the central dynamic is they've covered republican presidents particularly this one hostily for decades and they want it they want to be treated exactly the same way they are treated by barack obama or bill clinton and they just they're just not going to be treated that way and and it's possible that even if they change their behavior and weren't biased maybe the trump administration wouldn't change but let's try it and see let's try covering them fairly and then see what happens
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
No, of course. You know, the example I've been giving to reporters to kind of try to raise their consciousness is what's one of the things the press is most upset about? They're upset about the Associated Press not being allowed to cover the White House the way they used to because of their content, okay? Yeah. So what I say to them is, okay, you've turned that into a crisis of the Constitution.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
In the last administration, the Biden folks did the exact same thing to the New York Post. They didn't like the New York Post coverage of Hunter Biden, and so they excluded the New York Post reporters from covering White House events. I'd argue that that was even worse because of the nature of of why they were so angry and because it wasn't covered.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
That wasn't covered anywhere but the New York Post and by people like us. And so here you have one president doing something that's ignored and the other president does something pretty much the same, but not quite as bad in my view. And it's treated as a constitutional crisis.
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Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
So unless the press comes clean on that, comes clean on Biden's mental acuity loss and the conspiracy to cover that up, it's very hard to see how they think they have the standing to say this president doesn't like us. He doesn't appreciate us. He doesn't appreciate what we do. All presidents don't like their coverage. All presidents do things to the media that I wish they wouldn't do.
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Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
But the double standard is so strong. I don't know. I don't understand how they think they're going to look better in the eyes of the American people or how a dinner like this makes any sense until they decide to cover every president really tough. I'm not saying they should cover Donald Trump lightly.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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What I'm saying is they should cover him tough and fair, same way they've covered other presidents. And they just don't do that with him.
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Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
Not the role of the media. That's not the role of the media.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
Well, look, one thing I do have liked historically about the dinner is the comedy. When the professional comedians have been good, I think it's been great. And I think presidents Clinton, Bush, and Obama were brilliant. I think they worked on great routines with their teams. I thought their delivery was great. I really enjoyed – being in the room for those comedic stylings.
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In 2011, Donald Trump attended the dinner. I don't know how many others he's attended before he ran because he wasn't a big Washington guy. And in fact, when I ran into him that night before the comedian spoke, Um, he did what he always did to me. Whenever I saw him anywhere in the country, besides New York, he offered me a ride home, right?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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He always was saying, come fly, you know, fly back to New York. I didn't cuz I was staying on to go to parties afterwards. But that night he was a big topic of, uh, the, the comedian's, uh, routine and he didn't like it. You could just tell from his face and maybe you'll have that in the clip.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Some people say he was so angry at how he was treated at that dinner, that that's what caused him to decide to run five years later. I don't think so. I've talked to him about it. I don't think that's the reason. I mean, I think he was already thinking about running.
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Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
But it certainly, I think, got him resentful of the attitude in that room and the way the Washington establishment laughed at him and treated him like an unserious person. And I think no small measure of satisfaction for him off of this night that he's able to then come back to Washington six years later as the elected president of the United States.
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Yeah. I mean, they treated him like a joke. And of course, as you know, Megan, that's how he was largely treated. It's that same year that he spoke at CPAC. It's really how I got to meet him originally. He spoke at CPAC. He gave the best received speech of the whole group in 2011. It filled with people thinking of running in 2012.
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Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
And I went on TV the next morning and I said, you may not take him seriously.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
but take his idea seriously because they have a lot of resonance with the american people and that's how he felt about himself he didn't feel of course like he was a joke he sat at the dinner i think he was sitting at the washington post table pretty close to the stage and here you have the sitting president of the united states and seth meyers making fun of him and And he did not like it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
I don't think it's what caused him to run in some linear way. But I definitely think it was part of his psychology of saying, I'm going to prove that I'm not a joke. I'm going to prove that I'm a serious person. And of course, five years later, he did.
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Well, it's not a question of optimism. It's a question of looking at the data and looking at what's going on in the battleground states. I agree with Steve. She's still overwhelmingly the favorite. If it turns out that she doesn't have the hold on the coalition of the ascendant that Barack Obama had, I think it's possible he could find his way to 270.
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Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
It was worse than that. MSNBC took that clip, and I think my title was senior political analyst at MSNBC at the time. I had a show on Bloomberg and a contract with NBC. They put on the website that clip of Brian making fun of me for saying Trump might win, and the headline was something like, Brian Williams schools Mark Halperin. And I was like, guys, I work here. Don't put on a clip mocking me.
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Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
And then, of course, I'll spoiler alert, Trump won. And as I said, I thought Hillary Clinton was probably going to win, but I thought Trump had a pretty good chance. And in the days between that clip, I think that was like a week before Election Day maybe, in the intervening days, I grew more confident that he might win. You know, I don't know how many rallies of Donald Trump Brian covered.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
I covered Trump rallies that year in 30 states, 30 states. And so it seemed obvious to me that he might win. And yet that that that clip was was probably the most extreme example of what I experienced for most of the year. As I told people, as I started doing in 2011, do not underestimate the resonance he has with tens of millions of people.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
So funny you should say that. I called management and I said, take the clip down. And also, because I'm the senior political analyst here, trust me, your coverage here should not reflect the possibility that Trump can't win. It should reflect the possibility that Trump can win.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I will say I got something that people might, if they were super generous, consider it an apology, but I never got an actual apology.
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yeah look the palace intrigue is interesting and i'll speak in a second about about the confusion about what's going on it's important right it's one of the hardest buildings in the world to run it's a huge bureaucracy uh say whatever you want positive about pete hegseth he does not have the normal experience to do this job so he's going to have to rise to the occasion to do the job well
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In most stories I report on, sometimes I'll have dissenting voices about, you know, is it A or is it B? Who's telling the truth? Who's not? But usually there's one kind of through line of, well, this seems to be what's going on. I am baffled here because I have top shelf sources saying all these stories are coming from these four guys. They're all annoyed they were fired.
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They're all just talking every day to the press leaking as they did originally, which was their offense for being fired. And that once they shut up, The stories will stop. I'll say I don't understand Pete Hague says posture. He went after them very hard publicly. If you've fired people and remember, the three who were fired are his friends.
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Yeah, two out of three. I mean, he's two close friends, one associate, I believe. If you do that, I don't know why you'd pick a fight with them publicly, both in terms of doing the right thing, even if you think they did something wrong, but also just as a matter of tactics. Because if he attacks them and they are the leakers, they're probably going to keep leaking.
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Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
But I also have people close to them, and you'll be told this too. They say, absolutely not. They didn't leak originally, and they're not leaking now. And I've got sources pointing fingers at other people. saying other people in the administration are the ones doing this. Some in the Pentagon, some in the White House, and those people and their folks deny it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
So I've been disappointed in most of the coverage because it's not getting at the mystery here, which is some of the stories of Adam are cheap shots. Some I think are quite legitimate to scrutinize. But what is driving this endless number of stories? I cannot figure it out yet.
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Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
Correct. So the motive could be you think he's not a good secretary of defense and you want the president to fire him, although I don't know that these stories will achieve that. It could be some people say, well, it's people who are neocons and they don't like the way he's doing things or people on the left from the deep state.
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Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
I can come up with motives, but I cannot come up with any idea, clear idea about who's doing it. But as I said, the people close to Secretary Hagseth are quite certain that it's these guys who were the original leakers that got them fired and that they're the ones leaking now. But as I said, they deny it. And I consider this to be a mystery as of right now.
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Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
Yeah. So I've got what I call the Trump board of directors. OK. And the board of directors is Tucker, Charlie Kirk and Don Jr. And if the board of directors support something, I think generally it happens. And I believe all three of them. I know all three of them have been supportive, particularly Trump. recently, Don Jr. and Charlie.
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Megan, great to see you. Really happy to be part of this and grateful to you and all of your team for making me a part of it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
They've been very supportive on social media and elsewhere of Pete Hegseth. So I don't think the president will be inclined to get rid of him. And of course, he doesn't want to give in to these stories, most of which are published by media organizations he considers hostile.
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I think the only—so I can't invent an offense that Pete Hegseth could be charged with that would cause the president on his own To go past the shoot someone on Fifth Avenue bar. I think what will be determinative is when Congress comes back to town.
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I think if some Republicans like Tom Cotton, for instance, who've been very supportive, if they decide that they don't think he's right for the job, that a change needs to be made. then I think it's possible that the president would listen to that because he knows how important congressional support is for someone who's embattled.
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Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
But unless members of Congress either go public or tell the president they're going to go public, I think he can proverbially shoot people on Fifth Avenue and he'll survive.
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Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
Yeah, I one member, at least one member of the board likes him. I won't say which, but but the board of directors doesn't always get their way. And I think the board of directors listens to the president. And if the president says it's not tenable, then I think the board of directors might stand down. But they're not inclined to.
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And I got to tell you, again, if you're someone in Trump world and you want something or you want to improve your standing or whatever it is, you want the board of directors on your side.
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Well, I call him the ex-officio member of the board because he is the vice president. But I agree with you. He's on the board. They're all on the same text chains. It's one of the most undercovered stories in the administration. Those guys are texting in that group but in other groups all the time.
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Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
Never been anything like that in American history because, of course, texting hasn't been around much. And historically, you haven't had outside people. Last I checked, Charlie and Tucker and Don Jr. did not have government IDs, but they are in the rhythm every day of projects that need projecting and that the board of directors pays attention to.
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Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
I think the vice president is the most powerful vice president of our lifetime. And that means passing Dick Cheney and Al Gore, for instance, Walter Mondale.
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Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
All of them.
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Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
I just love breaking news. According to my sources, President Biden has agreed to step down as a Democratic nominee. Oh, man. She's in a lot of trouble. I'm not saying she'll lose all six, but she's endangered. Scott Besant, according to a well-placed source, will be the Treasury Secretary. We're reporting first.
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After less than 100 days, fewer than 100 days, everybody likes him for the most part. And he's very good at publicly and privately dealing with the president. He's a very smart guy, as you know. He's very, as I say, he speaks fluent MAGA with a suburban accent.
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Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
He has the ability to talk about the movement and the agenda in a way that for some years is easier to understand and appreciate than even the president does, who's the leader of the movement. And I think if you look at personnel, policy, the press, He is in every meeting. He often gets his way. His allies are all over the administration.
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As we talked about last segment, the board of directors are the ones who made him the vice president. They're the ones whose advocacy got Donald Trump to choose him. So the board of directors loves him and he loves the board of directors. And so I look at everything they're doing from dealing with Capitol Hill to dealing with foreign governments.
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I think the speeches he gave in Europe that the Europeans are still on their fainting couches over. The speeches he's given domestically are some of the most important speeches that not just anyone in this administration, but anyone in the party has given in the last decade. And I can't find a single issue where his influence is not very high.
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Lastly, I'll say, vice president's usually, of course, a big job, but the incumbents who are thinking of running for president, and the last three in that category, Biden, Gore, and Bush 41.
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Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
The White House operation was built to hold them down because they said, the more you're out there meeting with donors, the more you're out there trying to raise your own political profile, the more it might distract or hurt the president. And they didn't want that. This White House doesn't feel that way. They like J.D. Vance out there talking to donors.
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They like him out there elevating his profile. So he has the platform of the vice presidency to position himself, but also to help the party and to help the administration in ways that I just didn't see with the previous vice presidents.
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Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
Yeah, look, Donald Trump is trying to change a lot of things. And one of the things he's trying to change, which during the campaign obviously had broad support, is shut down the border. And for many Americans, I'd say tens of millions, They give Donald Trump a lot of leeway and his team at DHS and the other departments to say shutting down the border is going to involve and removing people.
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It's going to involve doing some things that maybe aren't by the book and that maybe in some cases gets the balance wrong between national security and civil liberties at least a little bit off. And they're fine with that. And for other Americans, including a lot of people in the media and a lot of Democrats and this judge,
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Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
Anything they see that deviates from the book or anything that violates their sense of whether the borders should be open is too far, that they don't want anything done along those lines. And I think I like having a big, robust national debate about this. You see that in a lot of these cases, and this is one that's going to get more attention.
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Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
It's important to say, why are the people supportive of this supportive? They're supportive because they say, We had an open border. You talk about lawlessness. You talk about undermining American values, American way of life. We had an open, effectively an open border for several years and fixing that as quickly as the president has done.
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Megyn's Time 100 Recap, Trump's Board of Directors, and Dems' Sagging Poll Numbers, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1057
involves in the view of some taking steps that they say are necessary that other people say go go too far and violate different provisions of the constitution or american law i think this will continue to play out all four years in office because writing and changing things from where they were to where the president wants to get them it's clear that he's happy and his administration's happy to do things that have never been done before
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Yeah, look, and that's the view of tens of millions of people. I think the area that becomes important to talk through is what if it violates American law, okay? What if there's an actual statute, not a previous administration policy? There are people come on two-way all the time that say due process for someone here illegally whose first act in the United States was to break the law.
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offended that someone who's here illegally would be called a Maryland man. And people say, bring him home when this is not his legal home. All of those have added up to people saying, including some of the administration, we're not just happy to violate past practice. We're happy to violate the law and wait to see if judges hold them to it. But this is, for many, symbolically important.
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That's my little boy, James, who every time I'm doing something on two-way, and I'm sure he'll say the same thing about NextUp, always says, is this another boring politics show? And he looks at my number of followers compared to the people he watches on YouTube, and he thinks I'm kind of a loser because he's watching people with millions and millions of followers.
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And as you said, Megan, practically, these people do not have the due process rights of American citizens. Historically, they've had some. And some Americans say there should be no change. And the president's saying, from practical and moral purposes, there needs to be a change. And the courts eventually are going to decide which of these changes are permissible and which are not.
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But there's no doubt, as I said, tens of millions of Americans would say, if you're here legally, go back. When we catch you, you go back. You don't get a judge and the right to confront your accusers and 12 jurors and all of that. Because they just don't think that that's where the bar is for someone whose first act in America was to break the law.
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So I decided if I got him a little bit invested in NextUp, maybe he'd cut me some slack for the first few episodes. Yes.
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Yeah. So just on the previous point and Judge Boasberg, there is issues related to the rights or presumed or stated rights of people here illegally. What's mostly at issue, I believe, in these cases, in that case and some others, is the question of whether the administration is disregarding judicial rulings, improperly disregarding them. And that's obviously a very dangerous area. Yes.
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Yeah. I'm just saying in some of the rulings we're talking about, that's the issue. It's not about the rights of people here illegally. It's about whether district court judge decisions are being disregarded. Again, not in that case, but in some of these other cases. Inside the federal government,
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there are deep staters who are just defending the turf of their agency there's liberals who don't like trump or trump's policies there's corrupt people who may be taking money from foreign powers and there's people who whose motives are not clear but who clearly are part of an effort to obstruct and i've talked to people throughout the administration and they say part of what they're trying to do now is to is to let the decisions be made
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as they're supposed to be by setting the by following the agenda the president set and by the people at the top of the departments and agencies who are supposed to carry them out and this is this is one of the things i think donald trump has done that's with elon musk and others that's most unprecedented They're making Ronald Reagan look like George H.W. Bush, an establishment accommodationist.
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They're really trying to find the people who are going to try to continue to obstruct the agenda and get them out of there or corrupt the agenda and get them out of there. And I think you're going to see that video is the tip of the iceberg in every part of the government. There are people who are hostile to Donald Trump and they're trying to fix that.
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Well, Harry's a friend of mine, and whenever I see him, I say, Harry, tranquilo. It's a little overexcited, but I know that's his shtick. I know. I know. People like it. I was like, just a little bit, one notch tranquilo, Harry. On the president, talking to people in both parties about the polls, and
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And I know a lot of people like to be skeptical of polls and say they're fake if they don't agree with them. I tell people in both parties, if your poll party is polling badly or the trend is bad and you just want to say it's not true, there's sometimes there's an outlier. But if all the polls are saying the same thing, you do yourself a disservice if you pretend it's not true.
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Where the president's poll numbers are pretty clear. And I believe from talking to folks that They're all down in all the categories that you listed. I think it's primarily being driven by the tariffs. The tariffs are so unpopular and they're so dominating the news about how many people are upset about them. Business is upset about them.
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And a lot of people in small businesses, large businesses, raising specters of inflation and shortages, et cetera. And I think if people are feeling bad about the president. then they're going to feel they're going to get more negative answers.
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His numbers have not gone through the floor because the president has a pretty high floor because there's tens of millions of folks, maybe 40% of the electorate, maybe a little higher, who will be with him thick or thin. So I think what they're trying to do is raise all the numbers by talking about the tariffs in a different way.
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And as we've seen over the last few days, backing off the sort of doom and gloom about the tariffs, saying, The tariffs are going to be a long term thing, but they're not going to be forever, that there's not going to be a major trade war with China. I think people as the weekends are feeling a little bit better about things.
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Like a reigning, like a reigning Jeopardy champion.
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And I would suspect that if they keep that up in a disciplined way, his numbers on all topics will go a little bit back up. The paradox of Donald Trump, though, is he's got a very high floor, but he's also got a very low ceiling. Just as there's tens of millions of people who will be for him no matter what, there are tens of millions who will be against him no matter what.
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And so the range of his performance reviews, not just overall approval, but on everything, I think it's a pretty narrow band. On the Democrats, the reason they're so unpopular now is because conservatives and a lot of independents don't like them.
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They think they're still Nazi cuckoo and too far to the left, but they're also not getting very high marks from the liberals in their own party who are disappointed that they're not doing a better job and a more energetic job in fighting Donald Trump. So I think their floor actually could be lower than it currently seems because they have this very challenging task.
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They have to rehabilitate their image with moderates and centrists and independents and the Republicans they wanna reach, while not further alienating the far left and that that that executing on that requires someone typically of the political skill of Bill Clinton. And there aren't very many people like that and no one I see in the Democratic Party currently.
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So their brand is being defined primarily right now, I would say, by four people, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Bernie Sanders, and AOC. And if you were on Madison Avenue or in some sexy PR firm or brand management company somewhere else in the country, I don't know that those would be your top four draft picks.
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I don't disagree that he thinks that. I just don't know that he's as top of mind as the other four with the media and the Democratic Party and the public at large when they think about who defines the brand right now. But he'd be in the top 10.
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You can. You can.
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Yeah, I mean, look, I don't agree with you. I don't disagree at all, of course, with the point about the double standard. I've listened to what he said. That's the third time I've heard it. I find the whole thing a little confusing. I'm not really sure what points he's trying to make that he really wants to make because the points he seems to be making...
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I don't know that they're true, and I don't really understand why he'd be wanting to make them. I find the whole thing baffling. But there's no doubt that one of the things – people always want to say this is the reason Donald Trump won. There are a lot of reasons he won in 2024.
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I think one of the things that tens of millions of Americans have gotten sick of is the way Democrats talk about race and expect others to talk about race. And depending on how you interpret what Pete Buttigieg said there – There's certainly a moments that a lot on the right would say that just that's just not the right way to talk about it.
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It's certainly not the way conservatives could talk about it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, birth rates are down. I think they're like 1.2 something average, and they need to be more like 2.2. I believe I have that close to right. This is just about having enough workers, enough people to support the Social Security system. The alternative is to have more immigration. And I think...
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I think that the president's inclination and I think a national consensus to have more legal immigration would be there if we can get the border under control. So there's two possibilities to have the right number of workers and other people contributing to society, either more legal immigration or higher birth rates.
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And so I don't think anyone in the Republican Party of any responsibility is thinking about this in terms of race. It's a math game. It's a math problem. And there's no one's going to say you only get the money if you're white. It's this would be a universal policy.
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And and and it's something that responsible leaders are going to have to think about because the birth rate's just not high enough right now in the country.
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Yeah, no formal committees, but they are thinking about it and they have to start taking some steps. And of course, we'll see a big unofficial cattle call in the context of the midterms in a year when we see who's asked to campaign for candidates on the ballot, who's asked to raise money for candidates on the ballot.
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I think the main thing about the field, and I'd apply this less to Pete Buttigieg than most of the others, but I would apply it to him. People who handicap these folks, I think, are overestimating their readiness. Most people who run have been performers on the national stage as politicians, or as in the case of Donald Trump, as celebrities or television stars for a long time.
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And it takes a lot to perform at that level. And I think people underestimate the degree of difficulty of being a successful presidential candidate. Pete Buttigieg, the reason I say he's close to the front of that line is he's done a lot of media. He's been a cabinet secretary. He understands more than AOC does, more than some of these governors who get talked about what it means.
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When Barack Obama was in the kind of pre-presidential phase, He went on Meet the Press, he went on Monday Night Football, he went on The Tonight Show, and he performed at a top level, just as a performative matter on all those places. There's performance, there's policy, there's pressure.
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These are the things that people say, well, they've been a governor, they can do that, or they've been a senator, or they've been a business person. No, it's what separates the people who actually make it in every case. People who've won have been part of what I call the national conversation, capital N, capital C. AOC hasn't done that.
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Buttigieg has done it more than most, but not at the level the people who've been nominees and presidents have done. And I think that applies even more so to almost everybody else who I hear mentioned. It doesn't mean they can't do it.
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But starting now, let's say now they started and really tried to put themselves out there, it would be for a far shorter period of time than everyone, everyone in my career who's been the nominee of either party or elected president.
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I'm not at all impressed with it, not at all, because of the standard I'm talking about. It really is not as easy as some people seem to think it is. And I look at, for instance, Governor Shapiro. I was very high on him. And I still think he's probably in the top five of likely to be the nominee.
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And I still think potentially he's a formidable candidate, although I had board member Charlie Kirk on my on two way the other night and he was very down on Shapiro. Governor Shapiro was vetted for as Kamala Harris is running me and got a lot of scrutiny, more than anybody else, certainly more than Tim Walz.
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a half dozen or more opposition research stories dumped on his head i was unimpressed with how he and his team handled those and if you talk to people in harrisburg in pennsylvania who watch him every day he he's certainly a smooth operator at times he's certainly liked by people like nancy pelosi and brock obama who have some judgment about what it takes but he has not proven so far to me to be a red light performer on the national stage and again
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He's someone who's close to the front as the governor of a big state, an eastern state, who's had some moments in the national spotlight. But no, I'm not impressed with this group at all. And when I asked Charlie to name three formidable potential Democratic candidates, I think the only one he named was the governor of Kentucky.
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And he's my poster child for how wrong I think most people are as they evaluate these candidates. He's got no experience on the national stage, none whatsoever. He's got limited experience even in his own state. Sorry, Andy Beshear.
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If he said to Andy Beshear, go on Monday Night Football, sit in the broadcast booth with the announcers, go on The Tonight Show, go on Meet the Press, or maybe your show would be a better equivalent today. I would revert my eyes because I don't think he could ace those. And that's one of the gauntlets. Could he do an interview with Tom Friedman or somebody on foreign policy?
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Could he go to the NRA or some other group and give a big speech? It's just, as I say, it's not as easy as people seem to think it is. And just objectively and subjectively, no one who's talked about, no one,
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has the level of experience on the national conversation as John Kerry did or Mitt Romney did or Al Gore or John McCain or Donald Trump, even out of politics, it's not even really not even close.
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Well, it's a great example. He's got it, right? Governor of a massive state, tons of media, doing this podcast now. I'm higher on him. And by the way, he's on the second episode of Next Up next week on Thursday. That'll be fun. He is underrated, not just by people on the right, but by people in the press. I think he has been part of the conversation. Not by himself. He's a pretty confident guy.
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But I'm less certain he's going to run than other people are. I think he's got family issues and other issues. And running from California is tough because of the time difference. But, yes, Gavin Newsom, by the metric I'm talking about, part of the national conversation. And, again, I'm not his spokesman. I see why some people don't like him. But he is a much more moderate person.
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much more centrist, thoughtful, policy-oriented person who really does think about the future in ways not all politicians do than he's normally given credit for. I see the flaws people see.
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Yeah, yeah. On some issues, he's very far left. But on a lot of issues, like dealing with homelessness, dealing with urban problems, I'm not saying he's executed perfectly. I'm not saying he's executed perfectly. But if you asked him his actual positions on crime, you'd hear moderate. Look what he did as mayor of San Francisco.
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Yeah. I mean, look, it's an incredible story. Just anybody with a nose for news can tell you there's a gee whiz element to this. But this woman thought she was going to run the Underground Railroad, and I think she's going to regret it if the charges are true. It's an extraordinary step for a judge to take.
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And as you said, this is going to be a long-running drama, and her background will be scrutinized, and what exactly she chose to do, and maybe who aided her. But
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If the allegations are true, it's an extraordinary thing for anyone to do, but for a judge, an officer of the court to do, I think she's going to have a lot of trouble if these things really did happen the way the attorney general says they did.
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I know the wheels of justice grind slowly. I was once a litigant in a case that took 21 years to resolve and twice to the Supreme Court. Things take a long time. I wish the Supreme Court was going to move faster on all these things. I think there's just too much that's going on that the Trump administration is going up to the line and in some cases appearing to go over the line.
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Maybe the court will say that's fine, but maybe they won't. And there's just too much happening that's now unresolved. And I agree with the notion that these district court judges, are not super legislators unto themselves, not just for their jurisdictions, but for the whole country. I think that's a dangerous thing, regardless of ideology.
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And to leave these district court decisions sometimes where they're saying they apply nationally out there, waiting for the Supreme Court to get through the appellate process, to accept the case, to schedule arguments, to have the cases argued, to go back and forth. Some of these issues pertaining to immigration, to Doge, especially, I just think the normal timetable is just not right.
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Yeah. First of all, I'm like you. Any event that I can't wear sneakers to, the bar is high to get me to get dressed and go. Look, I worked a time. This event, I'll use an in-play word, it's a scam. It's an advertising play. They use the leverage of 100 plus years of a great journalism brand. And they say to famous people and influential people, come be at the dinner.
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This is the biggest sham in the history of the media because you don't need to say to Elizabeth Warren, in some private meeting, did you see this? Watch C-SPAN. He spoke to a dead Congresswoman, okay? Yes. I mean, it's joked. Where's Marsha? It's a joke to be on the head of the pen and say, did you see it?
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The question is, why did you participate in a conspiracy of silence with the media and the bullies on the Biden team to deny what we could all see with our own eyes? And you think about the things Donald Trump has been accused of. Books can be written. Authors don't have subpoena power. Donald Trump was investigated by an independent counsel.
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This needs a serious investigation, not necessarily to punish the media and the people in the Biden White House, although they deserve to be punished. They deserve to have some sanction for what they did, but to understand how it could happen and to make sure it doesn't happen again.
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Because what happened was a guy who was showing mental decline in 2017, I saw it with my own eyes, in 2017 was allowed to be protected by his family.
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is aids and the white house press corps the same white house press corps organizations and in many cases the same people now covering donald trump who they participated in the cover-up of joe biden with the express intent of not helping donald trump so I find this to be just appalling.
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And I know why you played the clip, and it's a great clip, and I look forward to more instances where people are asked to be held accountable. But she shouldn't be able to get away to saying, I never saw it, because she didn't. Of course she saw it, because of course she sees C-SPAN.
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actually covered up and didn't report when Biden officials called them the few times a few people raised it, called them and said, if you keep doing that, you will be cut off. That should have been a front page story. No matter if the person said off the record before that or not, they should have said, I don't accept off the record.
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And you can tell people you're one of the 100 most influential people in the world. Then they say to their biggest advertisers, come sit at a table. You can sit with a Nobel Prize winner and Megyn Kelly. I won't say it's corrupt, but it is not an exercise in journalism. It's an exercise in stroking and cultivating advertisers.
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And no, you cannot tell us how to cover the president's obvious mental decline. So it's, it's, it's one of the biggest stories of all time. And, and, and, uh,
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I have so much to say about the interview the New York Times did with you, but I will say they did not show, I felt that person who interviewed you, did not show an appreciation for why you're successful as contrast with the way her paper operates on a lot of stories.
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You're supposed to say you're in love. I'm in love with the other 99 and I'm the least accomplished.
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I'm so honored to be here.
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Well, I was going to say, in all fairness, Megan, you brought up Blake Lively, not the Daily Mail. Well, she said, who are you excited to see?
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I know. Look, you know, as you said originally, It is not the 100 most influential people in the world. Far from it. I would say every year there might be two or three people who could arguably be on that actual list. But there is no universe, none, where Blake Lively would be on the list. And I was not surprised you said what you said.
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And I was not surprised that a lot of the media found it interesting.
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Sorry. It'd be the equivalent if you won an Oscar. And rather than going up and saying how honored you were to win over the other four nominees, if you said, you know what? In thinking about the five performances, I definitely deserve to win. It'd be breaking the fourth wall in the same way.
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This is ridiculous. Bad year in my category. It's a bad year in my category.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah. And I mean, you know, taking on Blake Lively is one thing. Clooney is like taking on royalty. So again, you're one of the few people with the courage and the reality to say what you said.
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And I think I hope people, I mean, obviously people think it's interesting because you did it, but I hope people focus on at least somewhat on the substance of what you said, because he has gotten a free ride for the arc of what he did.
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It is. People think of it as kind of a crappy place where it looks like you have to go. But for me, it's like Fenway Park or Walt Disney World is one of the great American sites.
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I mean, no disrespect, but I think the answer to what can't you do would be the G in EGOT based on the singing in the video.
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I'm just saying Grammy may be the last one you get. I'm not saying you'll never get it.
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Most journalists I know are more into show than tell, but there was a lot of tell going on there.
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You're looking live, not at Lambeau Field, but at LaGuardia Airport. It is a beautiful day to make history, a beautiful day to defy gravity. Link, welcome into our coverage. Glad to have you. You're a veteran of these space launches. How do you see today?
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Equal part of homage and mockumentary.
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What could possibly go wrong? Link, I can't help but reflect on the great astronauts in American history, Buzz Aldrin, John Glenn. Are our three heroes today likely to enter the pantheon of greatest ever?
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Link, let's meet our three brave astronauts today, the crew made up of three first-timers, brave souls who are going where no one has gone before, or very many people have gone before. Megyn Kelly, of course, she's a journalist, an attorney, a political commentator, and, of course, a successful host on our program that appears on SiriusXM and on YouTube.
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joining megan for this historic mission maureen callahan columnist for the daily mail and the host of the nerve podcast on the megan kelly network and finally sarah clemente she's a hairstylist one of megan's close friends her number one priority today link making sure that everyone's hair looks absolutely flawless even at zero g
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Yeah, for some of these first-time space travelers, Link, this would be as tough as Pete Davidson at a Kardashian family reunion. What are the challenges they're facing today?
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The nation indeed linked the world is watching. What kind of pressure are these young women on?
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Here they are at one of the great historic space sites in the world, LaGuardia Airport, walking to what is their date with destiny.
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Mission Control says they're cleared for takeoff. This could not be more exciting. Our crew's working in what's called a modified Boeing 727. It's GeForce One. Great technology inside GeForce One. It uses special hydraulics. It allows for maneuvers to achieve zero gravity.
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Now, Link, these three are comrades and colleagues, but they're also, they've got a competitive streak, let's be honest. When you look at them, who's got the best as the space correspondent Lady Gaga would say? Poker face.
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Tens of millions watching us live around the world and some of the more famous people in this country have gathered to experience history in the making. And look, oh no, oh yes, Lady Oprah in the house.
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Not clear why Oprah's weepy, but this is a dramatic and emotional moment, I think, for many of us. And now let's watch as the women experience lunar gravity for the very first time.
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Link, according to the Encyclopedia Britannica, or maybe I saw it on Twitter, most of the moon landings have been faked. This, though, seems all too real.
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Link, I never saw John Glenn fix his eyelashes. This is a new frontier, a final frontier, if you will.
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Well, this is exciting. Now the women are about to experience true weightlessness for the very first time. Let's look.
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Link, in space as in sports, records are made to be broken. I'm told our heroes today have shattered the mark set by the gals from Blue Origin. Tell us what they've done.
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Link, like all the events in the world today, social media paying close attention to our heroes. Here's one tweet I'll read to you. This is from rx4245. It says... Blue origin witless, blonde origin weightless.
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Megan Kelly going for the water. She's going, she's going. Oh, it's a miss. Let's see if she tries again. Yes.
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Megan Kelly, one for two. Link, that gets you in the Hall of Fame if you play for the New York Yankees.
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Let's look at this again in slow motion. Megyn Kelly, thirsty as all get out. You don't lose your taste for the drink, even in zero gravity.
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Welcome home, brave space angels. We knew you could do it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Here are heroes descending back. They're sun-kissed, and now, wait a minute. Link, I've heard of kissing the ground under such circumstances, but this to me looks to be a full-on make-out session.
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This is a grand space tradition. NASA has done it for years. The names of our heroes turned right side up and upside down. And now let's listen in for the first time back on Earth to our star heroes from space.
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Here's Space's top talker, Megyn Kelly.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, a little bit of unhappiness there for Megan, maybe not getting the respect she thinks she and her crew deserve.
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That was Megyn Kelly. Megyn, we understand your point of view. We reject it summarily, but we do understand. Lincoln, incredible historic day. My mind wanders to times at the beach or going to Coney Island and winning a stuffy, but tell me your reflections. What has this meant to you as someone who's covered space launches for, I don't know, 20 minutes?
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I just thank you. I'm honored to participate. And I just channeled channeled Fred Willard from Best in Show. That was my inspiration.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Weinstein's New Trial, New Lively Questions, and Meghan Markle's Grift, with Tim Dillon, Arthur Aidala, and Mark Eiglarsh | Ep. 1047
So there's nothing. Yeah, no. Arthur was 100% correct, articulate, passionate in exactly assessing how this is going to go down if this is being handled reasonably. Whether it's me representing him or someone else, you don't take the risk of going to trial with these facts, assuming there's no additional facts we don't know about. Like, did the kid say, I'm going to kill you now?
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And then he stabs him. And again, I'm picking stuff up. I don't know. You'll sit down with a prosecutor after you have your client evaluated. If the prosecutors aren't playing ball and giving you a reasonable outcome, maybe you like the judge. The judge is compassionate and reasonable.
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You look for some type of downward departure below what he would normally be getting, and you look for some compassion from the judge. But politics will play a huge role in this case.
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The victim had told Anthony, the stabber, that he needed to move out from under the team's tent, and Anthony grabbed his bag, opened it, and reached inside and proceeded to tell Austin, touch me and see what happens. No one really thought Anthony really had any weapons in his bag, and Austin proceeded to touch Anthony, and then Anthony told Austin to punch him and see what happens.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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This is provocation with intent, folks. These are facts I had not heard before. The stabber is provoking the victim to use force for the purpose of being able to inflict deadly force upon him. That's the most severe form of provocation, provocation with intent, and loses you self-defense as a legal defense. These are bad facts for Carmelo Anthony.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I'm going to argue the other side of this because not legally. Legally, we've already done the analysis on it and it's solid. But you put people in the box in Texas, okay? We would think without knowing that there's $300,000 plus being donated to the defendant's fund that there couldn't be anyone supporting this type of activity. But that shows what we're talking about here. You go to a jury trial
The Megyn Kelly Show
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There may be a few people who just say, I don't care what the facts are or those facts are enough for me. He reasonably feared or else he wouldn't have stabbed him. I'm telling you, it's not a slam dunk jury trial because of who's going to sit on this jury.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You can't say that. You don't want to put it out there. So you have to be more delicate as a prosecutor. What have you seen? And let's go sidebar to discuss it. So that doesn't come out the minute they hear that he might be a white supremacist. Now you've, you know, infected your own jury pool.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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He's our own little bunny. I'm glad that I don't celebrate Easter. The price of eggs are too high, record high.
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Your Honor, we have produced an expert that believes that it's likely that there were two people, two weapons.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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OK, so this is you have to imagine he's going to be convicted and then there's going to be always an attack on what the lawyers could have or should have done. And also the lawyers want to win. So there's no harm and don't take offense with lawyers filing motions and for the judge to consider it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Calling him a murderer, I would argue, is unfair until and unless closing argument occurs when they then have proven that he did commit murder. That's number one. The other thing, sociopath, psychopath, any words they want to come up with, if that's not proven, if that hasn't ever been proven as a fact, it would be unfair, one would argue.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Jurors would think that if those terms apply to him, it's more likely that he is a murderer. So I know why the defense would not want those things heard. And if there's not evidence to support it, the judge shouldn't let it in. It's just prejudicial.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You lost touch with the prosecutor.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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There's been 10 hundred years, right?
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Megan, Megan, because it's not an opinion.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You are, to be a sociopath or a psychopath, there has to be proof, meaning someone analyzed him. That wasn't done. That's such a prejudicial term.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Don't let him walk the streets. Murderer, yes, in closing, once it's been proven that he has no feelings, that he, all the things that you said, except for that term, which there's no evidence, it's conclusory. There's no expert testimony of that. No, it's so long.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It's so long. I was a prosecutor for five years. I got in trouble as a prosecutor.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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We'll try it twice. We'll do it your way. And then the next time when they reverse it, we'll come back and do it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I was going to say, she's pretty happy. He's touching her hand.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It was my fault. I was getting hit.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Then I got to perform surgery by cutting, cutting the umbilical cord. Like I've never gone to med school.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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That's the first problem, proving this. And there's always two sides. And so I don't know that she'll be able to prove what's being alleged. But the second thing is there's a difference between what she's alleging, like intentional sexual harassment and, well, things that in retrospect should have been done differently on the movie set that would have made her more comfortable.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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That's what all this sounds like. Right. And the third thing is jurors always look and it's legally proper towards the person bringing the suit and saying, well, what else could you have done? She doesn't seem like a very passive, soft flower. She would have spoken up and saying, I will not do this. I don't want all these people on the set. I don't want this. I don't want that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So they're going to be looking at her as well.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They don't come out of your nose. No. Not that I know of.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Huge, Megan. Arthur and I, who are artists in creating reasonable doubt, will tell the jury that if there's reasonable doubt created as to one allegation, while we might not be able to disprove the others, it shows what's going on here, that the person was caught in a lie. They're willing to manufacture allegations, at least as it relates to some things.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And so you can disregard her entire testimony. So yes, I think this is colossal.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Arthur, she's going to prison. They've got enough evidence. The things that she's alleging on the defense are not supported by the evidence, including the things that she claimed that her husband knew. She is going to get what she deserves.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Because it's in black and white. She can't deny these things, you know?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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As they said, the heart wants what the heart wants.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And Megan, let me tell you something about Arthur and this case. He won't tell you this, but it is so much more challenging the second time around because now you've got the trial transcripts, thousands and thousands of extra pages that you didn't have in the first trial. And you must go through every word line by line to use for your advantage.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So Arthur is being very generous with this time right now, because if it was me, I'd be knee deep in preparation. I know.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah. Staphylococcus is due.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Not now, Trevor, down.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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That was it? That was it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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She's doing very well.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I hope it doesn't come down to it because that's the one time you cannot control that guy. And you're not going to find, it's going to be difficult to find a unanimous jury that actually likes him. And I say that generically. It's hard for all the jurors to like your client.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Sex workers, I remember that with her inspo messages on the bananas.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Mm-hmm.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah, yeah, of course.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And they believe the media, too. That's another problem. Once they've read something in black and white, a lot erroneously think that that's the truth. It's hard.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Right? You don't know where it's going.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The state's going to get into that. That's what the prosecution has to do. And they will. And then they're going to drop it in Arthur's lap when they're done in graphic detail, leaving you with an image of how that could have happened.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Mm hmm.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Arthur, I agree with you. I think it starts in jury selection. You go right up to the line of pre-trying your case, take one step back, and that's where you need to be to make sure you get the right jurors.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And when I when I said, of course, that's a defense, it's because you're not going to argue insanity and you're not going to argue it was, you know, someone else who did it. You know, it's clearly going to be self-defense. And the question is, do the facts rise to the level where he reasonably feared death or great bodily harm from this guy?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And that hinges upon really what are the witnesses saying? You know, we don't have all the statements. Maybe there's a few who say that the alleged that the that the victim did grab him because I did read that that occurred. I've heard touching. I've heard grabbing. I don't know. But if it was just like you read, I think that that falls short of reasonably believing death a great bodily harm.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And here's the other thing. The other thing is he was the instigator, he meaning the defendant. That's a problem when you're the instigator, when then you're the initial aggressor. I think you might lose some protections.