Jimmy Carr
Appearances
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Okay. The multiverse. Let's get back to the multiverse. Okay. So is the multiverse... Are we about to have a breakthrough in science where they go, OK, so physics says there must be multiple universes? Now, just in my gut, I think that feels like an explanation that doesn't work. Like you're having to force that explanation on physics.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
There must be... It's that thing that Eric Weinstein's always talking about, about how physics hasn't really... done anything, string theory has singularly failed to deliver. It hasn't shipped any product. Like everything that we're looking at, all those foldable phones, it's all out of physics. Physics is the science. Everything else is stamp collecting. Physics is everything.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
It's given us all of this. And yet it hasn't done much for 50 years. What are they like? I don't want to sound conspiratorial.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
What happened with New Jersey? Good question. It feels like the news cycle, it's actually back to Eric Weinstein, it's that thing of anti-interesting. That's such an interesting story that was in the news cycle for 24 hours and they went, oh, okay. They killed it. Nothing, I guess.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Oh, yeah. It's the broken arrows, they call them. And apparently there's like 18 broken arrows. And you go, what's a broken arrow? Well, it's a thermonuclear missile, and we don't know where it is. We've misplaced that. Yeah. That's no great news, is it?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah. Well, I mean, that's the argument for life visiting us is the idea that we split the atom. And somehow that's like a fire alarm in the universe.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I've got zero problem in the sauna. I tell you where the problem comes. What? Post cold plunge. Yeah. That is some baby dick. You know where the real problem comes? Aggressive gay men. In Saunas? Yeah. I mean, there was very little of that going on, I think. Well, most of the time. I think Saunas had that reputation for... Oh, I've seen it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
It feels like, I don't know, 10 years ago, talking about being visited by aliens was like absolutely tinfoil. And now politicians are asking questions and we kind of want to know more. And yet it feels like it's kind of a new story that wouldn't be surprising now.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I worry that the government is like... There's a theory that there hasn't really been an American government since 1945. No, since 63. Well, because... everything got siloed. Like in wartime, everyone's talking to everyone and making everything happen and it's like, okay, we're at war. And then everything gets siloed and okay, that's a secret thing, that's a secret thing, that's a secret thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And then the guy that's holding the secret keys retires and that whole department's just funded forever but you don't quite, they're not talking to them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
So I can't recommend it enough. I listened to the episode. I went back and listened to your episode with the guy and I went, okay, this is interesting. What's he called again? Tom O'Neill. Tom O'Neill. He's got a new podcast, by the way. Does he? He's got a new podcast where he's kind of going like an in-depth interview. It's with Rick Rubens. You know, Rick Rubens got a podcast.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
So I listened to the thing, and then I went away and I read the book. And the book is like, you kind of read it and go, this can't be... That's an extraordinary chapter. This can't get any weirder. And then you go... So Charles Manson is connected to the Kennedy assassination. And what? Sorry.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
He's also connected to the MK ultra experiments, which which are real, which sounds so much fucking weirder than any other conspiracy theory you've ever heard. And they're real. Yeah. Yeah. And you I mean, it's like the book is just. Yeah, it's wonderful.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I don't know, because if they visited America, then they visited China and Russia. And you sort of think, well, balance of probability, all of those governments don't agree about anything. Like, so the idea of going, well, if they're here, they're everywhere. Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
But it would sound like bullshit unless you experience it. I'm sorry, but that thing of like, yeah, it does sound like bullshit in a sense. But then there's also the other thing of like, if you showed me that flip phone in 1982, I'd have gone, well, that's bullshit. You can't fold a TV so you can all fuck off. Like...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
What are you talking about? What do you mean you can make calls on it? How is there a camera on your phone? We get used to shit so quick. Someone had that thing of like, I don't know when the Wright brothers first flew the plane, but it's like 60 years later we land on the moon.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
But this is Eric's point of like if you Eric Weinstein and who else has it? The guy used to work for it. He often sort of says, if you minus the screens from the room, we're in the 1970s.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Which I think is kind of like what's happened since then? What are they working on that we haven't? Is there going to be a ta-da moment where they pull back the sheet and go, yeah, look at that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
But it's interesting. Okay. We were talking about earlier about purpose. So that's what it's missing. So the idea of like the Turing test is it's the wrong end of the telescope. Can it fool us? Anyone can fool us. Magicians can fool us with a cartridge.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
See, it's that thing of going, if an AI can write a joke. It can write infinite numbers of jokes, right? But it doesn't know what's funny. It's not going to be able to perform live. Well, it's that thing of like, it doesn't have any, there's no reward system. So there's no dopamine, there's no serotonin, there's no reason, there's no cortisol, there's no biological imperative.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Why do anything if you're just a machine? So the idea of going, where does consciousness stem from? It gets very sort of philosophical.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I think I went to, I flew to Amsterdam earlier in the year with a friend to see Richard Dawkins give a talk. And it was kind of, I mean, he's just fascinating. And you go, well, that idea of going, we are, you know, it's a selfish gene. It's the idea that we are, it's the DNA is the thing. We're this thing that's there to transfer DNA.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Have you been there with someone when they die? No. I was with my mother and I heard this kind of a death rattle. There's a, but it's, I would really caution anyone with a sick or dying relative to be with them, to sit with them. Like the whole of our society is like set up to – what's the fancy phrase? Eschew obfuscation. We hide decay. We hide death. And actually death is – it's a part of life.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And if you sit with someone when they're dying and you witness that and you just hold that space, it's incredibly powerful. And it makes grieving – I think quite a lot easier because it's the acceptance of like you understand on a like on a right brain gestalt level. Oh, they've gone. It's over. But it's incredibly powerful thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And, you know, I think you get to religion whichever way you go at this, whether you go physics or whether you go spiritual or whatever. You get to the mystery. You get to the mystery.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, I've always thought that that's a really interesting thing of how hard you work is important. But what you work on is the most important. Yeah. You know, it's that thing about you were talking about horoscopes or something. It's amazing how much knowledge and information and experts someone can be in total horseshit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, I think there's a bedrock in our society that we can't even see because it's everywhere. And it's two big ideas. It's the Platonic ideals, so Plato, and it's the – I think it was the Zarathustrans, if I'm saying that right, that religion. So Platonic ideals was like the ideal version of something, and then it was the Zarathustrans had the idea of heaven.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
They were the first religion to have the idea of heaven, a perfect place. And I kind of – I mean Nietzsche has been very misused by history – But his thing was embrace the chaos. We spend our lives thinking about the perfect diversion. Like we're trying to come up with the answer. We're trying to solve something as if it's complicated. And it isn't complicated. It's complex. It's unknowable.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
It is a mystery. It's not hidden from us. It's just it's a mystery. And it's the idea that you go embracing the chaos is just saying, yeah, it's kind of untidy. We don't get to know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I think we have to embrace the chaos because we're not going to know that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And how are we – what's that book? It's something like The Ape That Understood the Universe. The idea that we – just like people, we got born in this moment. like the perfect bit of history. Right. Where we can contemplate our consciousness and try and work out what the hell this is. There's a whole thing about the bicameral mind that's very interesting. Have you heard of that? Yes.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Like the idea that like people weren't awake. They weren't kind of conscious in the way that we're conscious until 2000 years ago. I doubt you subscribe because you're very interested in ancient Egypt and
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I'm so interested in like the time scales, the idea that we live closer to Cleopatra than Cleopatra lived to the building of the pyramids. Because what I don't think people recognize is. what the Egyptians gave the Greeks. And what they gave them was the fear. Because they ran that shit for 4,000 years, 5,000 years, exactly the same. The royal family, and they just inbred, inbred, inbred.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
But they ran their society exactly the same, right? And then the Greeks went, no, no, we need to innovate. So the idea of that kind of innovation came from, we don't want to be like those guys. We've got to keep doing things.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
So it's kind of the Greeks were to the Romans. I kind of feel like how the British are to the Americans.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
It's often that thing that they talk a lot about wine in the Bible. But wine didn't used to be just alcohol. Well, this is in Murasco's book. A lot of party favors in the wine, a lot of DMT, a lot of ayahuasca, a lot of.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
This is the thing that blows my mind, the idea that psychedelics, okay, the amazing thing about psychedelics, A, there's a plant that can do that to your mind. Right. B, everyone sees the same shit pretty much.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I was chatting to Woody Harrelson was at the club last night and we were chatting about it and just- He's the best. He's unbelievable. He's such a nice guy. I'll tell you how laid back Woody Harrelson is, right? He rented a house off a buddy of mine in London, Richard Bacon, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
and Richard sees him, like they've got some mutual friends, so he sees him after a week, and he goes to pick him up to take him to this party. He said, everything okay with the house? And Woody goes, yeah, everything's great. He goes, oh, okay. Oh, it's one thing. How do the lights work? He'd been there a fucking week. He hadn't turned the lights on?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah, and he went, oh yeah, the lights don't work. Yes, okay, it'd be dark. That is a laid-back motherfucker. He's pretty laid-back.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Ari Shaffir? Yeah. He was going to move to London. I believe he still is. He's what a fantastic human being. He's the best. Again, non-fungible. You're not going to meet anyone else with that story. No. He is such an interesting character. I can't get enough of him. You know what happened the first time I met him? No.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I don't know who did this, but it's a great piece of... Okay, so I was doing the Nasty Show in Montreal, and Ari's on the boat. I meet him, and this guy's fucking terrific, right? I just have a great time. And it was... I'm trying to think who else was there. Okay, who's the guy who used to do roasts? He's no longer with us. He died. Incredible comedian.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
No, not Norm. Good-looking guy. Died of a drug overdose.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Greg was around. I think Greg might have done this to me. Because I'm watching Ari Shaffir, and he says to me, oh, you know, of course, Ari doesn't give a fuck because he's dying of cancer. And I went, oh, my God, that's fucking terrible. Awful. So then, like, the next year, I'm at Montreal, and I see Ari again. I go, hey, how you doing, Ari? You okay? All right, buddy. Great to see you.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And he goes, what's up with you? And I'm like, no, I'm just, I'm amazed you're still here because I thought you were... No, I've never... What the fuck are you talking about? I'm fine. Total bullshit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
When it got kind of famous in our culture was I think it was a birth of a royal baby in about 1910, something like that. And the London Evening Standard had, they'd ran out of things to say about a royal baby. That's cute. It's got, you know, it's got little baby fingers and baby toes. It's a Leo. And they did that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Someone came in and went, oh, you know it was born here and it's the year of the rat and it's a Virgo and that means with Sagittarius rising. And they wrote the thing. And then they realized everyone is kind of self-obsessed and wants to read about themselves. So that's the one bit of the newspaper that's about you. Right. So naturally people are drawn to that. And it's like cold reading.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
It's like the way that they word these things, you go, well, that could apply to anyone.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
This is why I'm rehydrating now because I realize I'm mainly water.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
But the idea that a constellation 100 million light years away could be affecting us seems a bit of a stretch.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Is there more to this story? Where does this... No. That feels like... No. Okay. Yeah. There's no more to the story.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I wonder, is it one of these things where it's a really interesting way to think about yourself and analyze yourself? It's almost like I don't have religion, but I can see the benefits of it. I don't think religion works because mass doesn't work because God is happy, but mass works because people come together as a group and they meditate and take an hour off.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And I sort of think the great mistake, the tradition I'm from is Catholicism. Me too. And the great mistake was, I think, Vatican II, they called it. So Vatican II is where they translated the Latin into whatever your local language was and made it more accessible.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah. And it's such a huge mistake because the idea was to be in awe. It's something like going to church should be like standing in nature, like being in awe of something. As soon as you translate it and you go left brain and try and make it make sense, it all falls to pieces. But it's not a left brain. Our whole culture is left brain. But it should be about right brain.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
It should be about the gestalt, the whole thing, the idea of like there's a mystery here. And what's that great line? God is the name we give to the blanket. We throw over the mystery to give it shape.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
But what a piece of wisdom. That's a genius piece of wisdom. But it is that thing of like you can call it whatever you want. You can attach it to whether it's horoscopes or whatever your religion is. But the idea of going there is a mystery. And even when you get to physics at the – I mean I love it when you have physicists on here. I mean Eric Weinstein is one of my favorite people in the world.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah, great guy. But you look at that and you go, and they get to the Big Bang. And you go, yeah, but what happened four minutes before that? And they go, oh, we don't know. Well, we're back to the mystery then.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
A random selection of atoms coalesced into a form that can contemplate its own consciousness and existence for 4,000 weeks. Is that not enough? Will that not do?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I'm rehydrating having... Well, I think I got it from this show. The sauna cold plunge thing. I bet you did. I'm so into it. That's awesome. So addicted to it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Most people couldn't read. I mean, really, when you think about reading. Yes. It was the Bible was the reason. The Bible was the bestseller that people went, no, I've got to go out and read a book. I got to. I got to get out.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah, well, the Bible... It was because it was originally in Latin.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah, but the idea of the Protestantism was the idea that you've got your own relationship with God. So it went from being Catholics and Protestants to ultimately... every individual was their own church.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
It's fascinating, though, there's a law of history. There's one law in history, which is unintended consequences. And the consequence of that, of course, is that we over-solve for the individual in our culture now. Protestantism had such a huge influence that it's all about the individual and less about the group. And it's got to be a balance of the two.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
OK. The plague happened. So when the plague happened, it wiped out about a third of the population of Earth. Right. So the plague was huge. Now, it had a much worse effect. on the priesthood because everyone got last rights. So when you were dying, you got last rights. So the priesthood was knocked out like 95% of priests died.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
The standards pre the plague, the standards in the church were the smartest guy you've ever met, the smartest guy in the village, the town, the region was the priest. The smartest of the smartest guy, the most intelligent guy, became the bishop. And the pope was like, this guy's a genius. It was the best of the best, the creme de la creme. The standards for the priesthood post the plague
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And that is how I met Tony Hinchcliffe. That's the origination story of...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
This guy's got all his own teeth. You're in. Like it went down. And then all that thing of like the plenary indulgences where you could buy your way into heaven is all, you know, all of that came off the back of the thing. So the standards kind of went down and then it became kind of corrupted. How dirty is that one?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
So dirty. Well, people don't realize that. People often laugh at like the, you know, he's going to blow himself up to get 72 virgins. The Crusaders all got a fast track to heaven.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
If they're going to be a saint. Who's going to be a saint. You know Christopher Hitchens, the great Christopher Hitchens, right? Christopher Hitchens literally, you ever heard the phrase the devil's advocate? Of course. He had that job.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
So when Mother Teresa was made a saint by the Catholic Church, they bring someone in when they're making someone a saint in the Catholic Church, in the Vatican, to be the voice of the opposition. And he got the job. He played the devil's advocate for real on Mother Teresa. He wrote a book about it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
You hate to be the conspiracy theorist. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if you're familiar with your brand, but you are the conspiracy theorist.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah, I don't think we can relate his death to pissing people off. No, no, no, of course not. Of course not, but it's fun to do. He was quite the writer. Oh, he's a genius. He was so- Hitch, 22. And there's a book that he wrote about politics, The Letters to a Young Contrarian. Oh my God. It's like, those bits of, it's amazing things kind of books when people write their autobiography.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
You're not in that business. I'm not in that business. You're not in that business.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And it's like, it just, it's a gift. It's just, you can feel like you know them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Isn't that why this works? Yeah, for sure. Because you go this format. There's nowhere to hide. It's three hours of conversation. You're going to talk about what you're going to talk about. It's going to come up. And it's this thing of it's authentic. And authenticity is what people crave. Oh, yeah, for sure. And it's playful. Yeah. And I think I mean, okay, this is my big theory on life.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I think play is like we don't Stop playing because we get old we get old because we stopped playing. Yes And in our job as George Bernard Shaw, I think said in first anyway, but he's wrong you get old no matter what He's full of shit.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah, but maybe playing Twister when you're 70. Great. That's a good way to break a hip. But that thing of like going play is sort of in short supply. If you think about what anyone cares about, right? Like people talk about sports all the time. People talk about concerts and going to see music. People love seeing comedy and they love this kind of thing. But this is like play.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
We're playing and sports is playing and theater is playing and comedy is playing and there's not enough play in life. And really, I always think of that thing like when I'm performing shows, like there's an illusion that it's me performing on stage. But actually, everyone in the room is performing. It's a performative thing seeing a show.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
If you think about when you last saw, I don't know, Bruce Springsteen live. And Bruce Springsteen goes, how are you all doing? And the whole place goes, yeah. If in Starbucks someone goes, how are you doing?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
You're disappointed that the guy that hailed you wasn't attractive enough.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
They're doing their bit. And especially like in our game, in comedy, it's a, because the feedback loop, everything is split tested. Everything is, how do you feel about that? And the one audience member, you know, anything about comedy and jokes.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
get a hundred of them together genius they know exactly what's funny what isn't funny what's acceptable where the line is and you're getting that feedback the whole time so like doing comedy it's not it's not repetition it's iteration it's just that you're getting a constant sort of feedback from these these people it's a mind meld right isn't it
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah, and people want it because they want to come out. Because, you know, it used to be we'd gather around a fire and do this, right? And then we gathered around the wireless and we talked. And then we gathered around the TV and did this.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
The wireless. That was what it was called. For real? Yeah, for real. That was called the wireless. Wow. Yeah. And then, you ever heard that? No. It's the wireless. RKO, the wireless. Wireless is like cellular coverage. Yeah. And then it's the, but then it's cell phones now. And we're alienated. We're more connected and less connected than ever.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And then you go out, I was in the mothership last night doing Kill Tony. And that audience were like, it's church.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
We did a thing on holiday where we put our phones in the safe in the morning and then came back and checked them in the evening. It's getting more difficult because everything, you know, the podcast you're listening to, the music, everything's hooked up to this, the pictures, the camera, everything. But if you can...
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Hang on, you showed me just before the show. How many unanswered text messages do you have on your phone?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah, I think you feel, it feels like you might be disconnected.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Okay, so in the bar. So how did you know the guy was hitting on you?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I need boredom. I need a little bit of boredom. I had this thing recently I thought about. Boredom is unappreciated serenity. Like travel. Like I'm traveling a lot at the moment. I'm on tour. And sometimes you're in an airport and there's nothing much going on. Just chill. Just sit. Yeah. Let something pop in.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yes. Like the idea of how long something's been around is how long it's going to be around. So most stuff on the internet was produced in the last 24 hours and will be entirely forgotten in 24 hours. No one ever goes, oh, I've got to show you my favorite TikTok from two years ago.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
You know, I wonder. Yeah, I wonder with that. I wonder, is it the that thing of Aldous Huxley, like the idea that brave new world, our power won't be taken from us by some overlords like in 1984 will give away our power for cheap dopamine. And the problem with the world is there's a lot of cheap dopamine on offer. So, you know, doom scrolling, it's the same as in a casino.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
But then there's real joy. If you go out and see live comedy, I think what we're drug dealers, right? And the two drugs, it's dopamine and serotonin. And the dopamine is you don't quite know where the punchline is coming. You know there's a punchline, but you don't know quite where it's going to be. And then there's the serotonin, the joy of laughter as well.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And then you can get a fake version online or video games are like a proxy for the career that the kid isn't having. Right. There's levels and layers and then a big boss at the end. It couldn't be a clear analogy or porn is a proxy for love and sex. It's like we go for the easy option. Yeah. But actually when you work for it, it's just better.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Way, way worse. I think it's very good for empathy to have that experience, to have a guy aggressively, drunkenly hit on you and to know what it's like. I often think being a bit famous, you kind of know what it's like to be a very attractive woman.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Okay, so back to your work ethic. So the idea that you don't do that. You spend time doing difficult things. Yeah. Like I got the cold plunge thing from listening to you. I was kind of interested in it and kind of chatted to some friends. I tried it. And loved it. But you're putting yourself in a very uncomfortable situation in order for benefits later. Yes.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
It's a kind of a sacrifice you make in the moment for something later. Yeah. What draws us to that? What makes us do that?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah. It's also, it's that thing of like we, like prioritizing now. Yeah. Seems to be the, if you can prioritize later, if you can sort of, Chris Williamson.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah. Well, Chris Williamson's got this great thing. We were chatting about it, me and George Mack and him. It's amazing. He's great. He's the best. But that thing of like, 24 hours ahead. We've all got to serve someone in life. You've got to serve. And serving yourself in 24 hours is pretty good because it's that thing of like booze is the best example.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Right. So that in a very simple way, you know, like the reason.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah. I find that thing of like the it's whenever I feel anxious or depressed or any of those things, we sort of think it's invariably with me. It's a hardware problem, not a software problem. So it's like, OK, have I slept? Have I exercised? Have I eaten correctly? It's a good way to put it. Hardware, software. And then you go, OK, this is a hardware problem. But it's so hard to fix that.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
When you're depressed, it's so hard to like it's like it's all very well for us to go. Well, you know, go for a run and do some exercise and have a cold plunge. It's so difficult when you're in that. I'm very empathetic to that state. And I wonder, does it help that we slightly pathologize in our language? We say depressed and anxious, not sad and worried.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I mean, I think for some people it's, listen, you don't want to be trivialized mental health problems, but you go, sometimes it's just the human condition. We're going to worry about stuff.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Super attractive women have the same conversation with people over and over again and you blame them for being boring. Where are you from? Hey, you come around here a lot? What's going on? Yeah, it's the same conversation again and again and again. I always notice that. My friend Roisin Conaty pointed this out to me.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, the issue is that you want to be, I think, kindness. Right. Kindness is, it's the most wonderful thing. It is. And here's the problem with kindness. There's a lot of kindness in the moment. Like, I've got kids, you've got kids, right? Your kids want, what do they want to do? They want to eat McDonald's and they want to watch TV.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And you want to be kind in the moment, but you're going to have fat, stupid kids. Of course. So you go, well, let's have some healthy food and let's read some books and let's run around outside. And maybe they don't want to do that now. But you've got to be kind to their potential. Yes. Not just to that. And then you kind of obviously, you know, it kind of teaches you that.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And then you kind of have to apply it to yourself. Because you go, well, they're not going to pay attention to what I say. They're just going to watch what I do.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I don't think you realize, and maybe you do, I don't think you realize how much you help people. Having these conversations on here. They help me.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah, it's not easy. But having these conversations, but I think there's something about you specifically, like the martial arts stuff, it's a very alpha thing, and then you're a stand-up comedian and very admired by your peers, and you can have conversations about this stuff, and I think it really cuts through to a group that wouldn't hear that.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I mean, for me, that thing that you're saying there is about agency and empathy. And I think there's a problem in our society that we give agency to people we don't like and we give empathy to people that we do like. So if there's like a right-wing Nazi rally, we say they knew what they were doing. We give them agency. We punish them.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
She said really, really attractive people, like gorgeous supermodels, speak very, very slowly because no one has ever interrupted them. Like I speak quick because I'm rocking this. I go quick, come on, let's get something going here.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
So we say he knew what he was doing. Okay. And then if we really like someone, we give them empathy. Okay. Yes. That's a great example. And sympathy. And the issue is we need to give everyone both. Yes. Because you go, look, no one is going to care about you more than you. You need to take responsibility for this. Right.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And you need to, you know, it's very, very tough because you want to give that agency and empathy to everyone. To give them the tools to- have a better life.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I don't know. You want to hear my hot take on AI? I would love to. All right. My hot take on AI is we were not made in God's image, but we so wanted there to be a God. We made one in our image. So if you think about the attributes of AI, it's all-knowing, all-powerful, can perform miracles. It lives in a cloud. Sorry, is that God or AI? Wow. Yeah. Interesting.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
It's not even done growing yet. At the moment, it's the Oracle of Delphi. It's like a 10-year-old right now, though. It's not even an adult. Yeah. And then where's it going to? So the idea of like, the interesting thing about AI is it's the gap between me and, I don't know, who's the smartest guy we know? Eric Weinstein. Used to be enormous.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And now the gap is getting smaller because AI can just, I can ask it.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I had a gag about it, like a bit about in our universities, the students are using AI to write their essays, and then the tutors are using AI to mark the essays. And then after three years, AI gets the job. It actually seems very fair.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, I wonder what will change. I'm very optimistic, right? So 120 years ago, 95% of the population worked in agriculture and they worked 16 hours a day and it was a very, very tough life. And then we moved to the cities and we worked in factories and the unions, they don't get the credit they deserve. They gave us the weekend and now we think human beings work five days and we have two days off.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
That's the world, right? But it's different. It's changing now. It's like it's going to change again. And we'll look back and go, I mean, we're incredibly privileged that we're born right now.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, I love that thing with that book, The Beginning of Infinity. I can't get over that.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Who wrote that? It's The Beginning of Infinity. I think it's David Deutsch. And it's the... Can you... Yeah. What's the beginning of the book? So the idea of The Beginning of Infinity is that if we can get through this... phase in humanity, right? There's been 100 billion people so far, 110 billion. There's 9 billion at the moment, 8 billion, 9 billion.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
If we can get through this, if we can get off planet... maybe there are trillions of people in the future. Trillions. Right. Maybe humanity spreads out across the galaxies and the universe for the next 13 billion years. Like the idea that if we can get through this now, this little phase that we're in, we're having a little bit of difficulty here with a couple of possible problems.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And if we can get through it, the scientific meme, the idea that we've created these machines, but really through science. The technology that we have is brilliant. And if we can negotiate, if we can have a little bit of peace in the world. Avoid the war, yeah. If we can avoid the war. And really, avoiding the war I think is possible. I think the most, all right, here's a take.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah, so this is how horoscopes got big. Incredibly attractive women spoke about their horoscope and no one went, this sounds like some bullshit.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I think the most incredible piece of technology that we have, I'm very optimistic about the world. You could look at the state of the world and go, it's terrible. But I look at America, I look at the UK, and I look at the footfall. So where do people want to come? Well, they want to come and they want to live here, right? And what's the most important piece of technology in America?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I would argue the Constitution. The Constitution, you sort of don't think of it as a piece of technology, but it really is. And it's allowed all of this. It's an operating system. It's a brilliant operating system. And you can prove that culture is downstream of institutions.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
and freedom because you go look at okay here's the great examples right east and west germany north and south korea right exactly the same people like exactly the same culturally and they got this system they got this system east and west germany you got the stasi over here hell on earth north korea whatever the is going on there right and then you get south korea i mean flourishing right incredible culture you get west germany i got another one cuba and miami
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Okay, so here's the thing. How many people in the world now? Nine billion? Eight billion? It's a lot. Something. Right? Half a billion get... Okay, so there's the UK, there's the US, there's Canada, there's Australia. Okay, they're all, I mean, ex-British colonies. Yeah. I'll take the win. But those institutions...
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Those institutions are set up in a certain way that's allowed a flourishing where people want to come here. So either we accept 9 billion people into our countries or we export our institutions. I think we should be writing or coming up with great constitutions. for nations that we want to see in the future.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Okay. Well, I mean, it's the right wing in America that, you know, the idea of going, okay, we're going to get rid of the southern border to bring in cheap labor is a crazy idea. Because all we're doing is we're, you know, we outsource And this problem has been, what is was ever thus. George Orwell was once asked, what do you think of the British working classes? And he said, they live in India.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
He's a smart guy. But you go, that globalization, the idea of going- Along with tech help. But it's the idea of we go, we often export the things that we're conscious about. So we go, okay, so we shut down all the coal mines in the UK and now we import coal. Oh, OK. Is that I mean, one better. It's one world we live in.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
It's the whole of humanity matters. It's the it's the that Derek Parfit's that brilliant guy who is a philosopher. He wrote this brilliant thing called Reasons and Persons. It's a brilliant book. And it's kind of about that idea that you've got to care about humanity temporally and spatially. You've got to care about people in the future. And you've got to care about people everywhere.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And the idea of you go, look, we've got to make the places people are fleeing from livable. And I think we have proved over the last 50 years regime change is not what we're great at. So it comes down to-
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
We just need to practice more. Here's what I think it is. Agency and empathy on a global scale. Yeah. So it's like giving those nations that are in horrific trouble and that no one seems to care about agency. Yeah. But maybe it's that thing of like going the American Constitution. I don't know where it was written, but it was like...
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I think it was like intellectuals from around the world were like chipping in with ideas and they came up with this incredible document. And look at the flourishing that's come out of it. Look at what it's achieved. Like imagine if, imagine if something like that happens in China.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Imagine in our lifetime that they go with a different system and it's more, because at the moment China's kind of, you know, it's a covers band. You know, it doesn't it takes a lot of intellectual property and it has its own version of Facebook and its own version of Google and its own version of. But it doesn't.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
What is it about America that that that allows this entrepreneurial spirit that allowed Silicon Valley to happen?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I don't know. Ukraine? I mean, that's the first drone war. I don't know. It's
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, how much of it as well? Like, I mean, talking to the right guy here, but how much of the alien stuff that we watched in the 1950s and 60s was that technology being tested in America?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Do you think it would be sensible for you and I to pledge allegiance to the Chinese Communist Party now? Sort of on the record? We should learn Mandarin. Just in case?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah. I mean, it feels like the- It's a corner of a football field. I don't know. So war is changing, isn't it? Yeah. But it used to be. I suppose it's always changed. It was. It used to be, guys, you wear blue, we'll wear red, we'll line up, and then we'll just smash it out.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
But there was no civilian casualties. It kind of worked. And then there's guerrilla warfare, and there's what's going on now, and there's the drones, and- Okay, here's a weird question, all right?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Okay, so the assassination of JFK, people are absolutely fascinated, right? Sure. And what's been released and what's... No one seems to care about the guy that shot Trump.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
But, you know, it's the terrible kind of the lag from COVID. You know, the long COVID from a psychological perspective is trust. We've lost a lot of trust because anyone that said it was a lab leak at the time was a maniac. And then, you know, so you go when they tell us, oh, no, no, he committed suicide. You go, well, it's hard to believe now.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and a fact? It's five years now.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah, but that's how we pronounce it. China. China in the Trump household. China. China.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
It's crazy because it's the baby in the bathwater because they –
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
did that and then you go and then there's there's gonna be more measles in America and more kids wearing glasses that thick and going deaf from measles because they're not taking the good vaccine so it's it's for me it's like that idea of trust is such a you know when we talk about institutions and the Constitution and the and checks and balances and we need trust in our society that's one of the great things that came out of again that's the Catholic Church
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
We've got to motivate those companies, right? It can't just be the profit. Because it's like the thing that I worry about is antibiotics, right? So antibiotics are what an incredible piece of technology, right? Yes. People used to die from a fucking rusty nail, snagged them, and they would die, right? So modern medicine has given – we have to look at what the positive side is.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Oh, my God. Pharmaceutical drugs. You're talking to a man in his 50s with a hair transplant. I've had a bit of work done. Don't even start me on the Viagra. I've got a lot to be thankful for for medical science. Yeah. So a big pharma. Great. They've done a lot of good. And then and then other stuff. The antibiotics. There's there's there's things that are resistant now to antibiotics.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
They need new antibiotics, but there's nothing in it for the pharmaceutical companies to invest in that. So I think that governmental level needs to be look, give them give them the money to do it.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
But you go, look, you know, and I don't mind people. If someone comes up with a cure for cancer.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
It's an interesting thing where socialism has become such a dirty word. But everyone agrees to some extent, right? There's areas of life where you go, well, there has to be a level of – Socialism. Contribution. We have to contribute. Okay, the fire service is great. I use the same one all the time. But everyone agrees, right?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Okay, if your house burns down, okay, we're going to have a fire service and it comes and it's not like, oh, we don't take care of that.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, I think education, I think we could get there sooner because you look at some of the stuff that's available online now and it's just, it's incredible. It's there. I mean, I slightly think on education that we should do the right thing, right?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Instead of pumping the economy by printing more money and quantitative easing, I think America and the UK should cancel all student debt because we missold people some bullshit degrees. Right. One hundred percent. And the idea that student debt. Right. So you're taking those people that took a chance and they went to university and they gave their time and they studied hard.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And there's there's a theory that woke came out of elite overproduction. So people did everything right. They went to school. They studied hard. They went to university. They studied hard. They got a degree. And then they can't buy a house. Because, you know, maybe the degree doesn't grow corn. It's not in a STEM subject. It's in the humanities or something.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And then they don't get the lifestyle that they worked hard for. I think we cancel... I mean, I don't want to sound like a communist here, but free education is not crazy. It's not crazy at all. It's an asset to your society.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
It's evil. I can't see the downside because you go, this is the richest nation, not just in the world, the richest nation there's ever been. And you go, an investment. And maybe you change it and you go, well, actually, university is a lot more difficult to get into now. Because it's going to be free. So it's going to be super difficult to get in there.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I got crazy drug views. Do you want to hear my drug views? I would love to hear your drug views. Okay. Marijuana specifically. Okay. I think marijuana should be illegal for the under 30s. I think it should be legal 30 to 50. And then I think over 50, mandatory.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
But also it's the middle class and upper class kids that can take on that kind of debt. Right. And the working class kids.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
But education was the great kind of equalizer, right? Because you were able to – change your social class through, you know, if you go to school and you work hard, you go, well, education should be... Listen, I'm not saying that there can be equality because I think we're all born with different gifts, right?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
You and I disagree about work ethic, but... The idea that we're all born with different attributes, right? So there's never going to be equality. But the opportunity to educate yourself and to do better is like that's sort of part of the American dream, isn't it?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I think you've learned it. I think what you've done in martial arts, how you do anything is how you do everything. I look at what you've done with the mothership. I look at your comedy career. I look at how you treat your body. Everything's the same. It's the same. You've got a work ethic that's very consistent across different fields. How you do the podcast. Have you missed a week ever?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, I think, yeah, that thing of what you're, and then you just sort of enjoy, I don't know, I think that thing of ambition, like the process is so enjoyable. The process of like becoming a better comic is such a joyful experience where you just go, at the end of every show, I take out a notepad and try new jokes.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And you just go that iteration of like getting better and, you know, a new one works. It's the most exciting thing in the world. Yeah. Just absolutely love it. And you kind of go and it's I forget if it's Tealock or anti-Tealock. I don't really know what that. But it's a task without end. It's just you keep on doing this thing. Yes. And you just – there's no end in sight.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
There's no – it's not like you're arriving at this perfect state. Yeah. It's the – I suppose it's the idea that it's kind of messy but it's lovely to kind of – you feel yourself progressing.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah. Well, I think that thing in comedy, like failure is your friend.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Failure is you make friends with it and you're kind of okay with it. Yeah. And then in life, it's like you're able to take chances and kind of mess things up and go, it's all right. Give it another go.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, I think it's that thing of like there's performance enhancing drugs. right? And then there's lots of them. I mean, testosterone is probably the biggest and the best, right?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I did Kill Tony last night with Tony Hinchcliffe, who's who's at once the meanest motherfucker in the world and also the kindest man in comedy. Yeah, because you look at the careers that he's launching like every every three, four weeks. He's launching like a new name and then they're touring and they're playing clubs and they're having a great time.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And it's it's that thing of like you can't beat your environment. So to be around people, not just that you like, but that you want to be like.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
So you're creating this little thing, this little space like the mothership's got this little community around it now of people that they want to get better. And they're looking around and it's, you know, and you came here because... Ron White was here, right? I mean, in no small part. A big part. And then you built this thing and it's Field of Dreams. Look how many people are coming.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And then I'm very excited to see in 20 years who comes out of this scene. I actually flew in on Sunday to go down and see Chappelle. So I went to see his new club in Yellow Springs. I heard it's great. I mean, it's insane.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, but testosterone in terms of the world, like if you look at the world, like people often quote the fact that most of the biggest CEOs in the world are male. Yeah, but also 95% of the prison population is male because what testosterone gives you is it's risk. It's the chemical for risk. So people take high risk. So they end up with all the rewards, but also destitute.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I think it's going to become something more than that. Eventually. I think that's what he's, he's planted a seed there. Yeah. And I think it's going to grow. And it's a small town, but it's a town with a lot of pull. It's almost too beautiful a town, Yellow Springs. You kind of walk through and go, it's like the Stepford Wives. It's like so perfect. You know who he's got playing this weekend? Who?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
The whole of the Wu-Tang Clan are coming in. It's a 220-seater, okay? I think it may be one of the few occasions where more people are onstage than offstage. The audience may be smaller than the band.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
No, he's a... He's a unique... Well, as are you. You're non-fungible human beings. there's no one else you go he's a bit like no it's just his own thing it's a wonderful thing there's a there's a real I think in comedy that thing where we're out for ourselves but in it together Alan Havey told me that. That's great.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I remember thinking it's kind of true because we're all in this business and there's like sometimes you see comics arguing or, you know, shit talking other comics online or something. You go, what are you doing? There's the narcissism of small differences where people go, oh, I don't like his observational stuff or he's hacky or something. You go, we're all in the same business.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, this is what – the great thing you've done is thrown down a rope bridge. You're up there and you throw down the bridge and you bring people with you.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
He's the best. He's in Hawaii this week. I'm missing him. Oh. Well, he'll be back. No, he's coming to London to see Oasis with me. Oh, is he really? Yeah.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Nolan Lee. The Gallaghers? Yeah, but I think there's... That's a lot of money. There's an amount of money you can put down and go, you should get Noel on this show. I would love to. Noel is so fun. I love them.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah, who's it dismissed by? I mean, it is that thing where you go, it's... I think because it's a sense of humor is whatever that there's that great old quote of laughter is the shortest distance between two people. I think there's a real connection to comics because you laugh with your friends and your family and you laugh with this comedian.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And if you think about friendship, I think about friendship like filters. If you sit next to someone on a plane, you've got a lot of filters. Right. You chat about the weather or the local sports team, whatever. And then you get really close to someone. You've got no filters. Your best friend of the world is a guy you've got no filters with.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
The weirder one was the, was it Blurred Lines? And it wasn't even that it was the same feel as a Marvin Gaye song. Same feel seems like a stretch.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
No, it's self-policing though. It's self-policing. It's like if someone does that, you go, I mean.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I think that's the first time I ever saw you was calling out.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, even the great Robin Williams had that reputation. Yeah, he did. Because it was doing kind of this other thing. I don't know.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, it's that thing of like you have to give the world irrefutable proof you are who you say you are. You know, if it's one joke, fine. If it's 10,000 jokes, you go, OK, this is something. I mean, we spoke about this last time, that thing of because I'm working on a thing with my friend Amanda Baker and Abby Grant. They came and they taught at the mothership.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Because we're trying to work on this book about like teaching. In the same way that people teach music, like having a language of it and taking some of the alchemy and the mystery away from that. And so thinking about what really, you know, not to not to say that it's like a something I can do or a machine can do. But the idea of like teaching people the structure. Of it.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
So it's less kind of, you know, hey, it just comes to me on stage. Right. Maybe codifying it a little bit more. And I mean, I'm working with these two incredible women, Abby Grant and Amanda Baker on the book. And it's it's taken a long time. But I do think it's something that if you could teach in schools.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
The idea of comedy, even as opposed to music, which is wonderful to learn, and you appreciate music much more if you've ever given the guitar a go because you can appreciate what they're doing. But the idea of comedy is being taught because you go, well, you have to write down and order your thoughts. That's a value. You have to learn how to communicate and speak publicly. That's a value.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And then you're speaking in your authentic voice. And that's the saddest thing. Most people live and die and they never speak in their own authentic voice. It's a great thing to give kids, I think. I think it'd be a great thing to, you know, if it's an after school activity, I would sign my kids up.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
But I look at what Ron does. I mean, my love language is the one-liner. I like jokes, and it's quite old-fashioned in a way. You know, it's a very old-fashioned kind of way, and it's less about my life. You're like a folk singer.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
yeah and then i'm but then i'm trying to i've got a good fastball yeah and then i'm trying to work on the the other bits but that's kind of what i love about the industry because it's it's everything it's all yeah i can get good at that and then i can i can do like 20 minutes of fastballs and then do i've started about a year ago i started putting i started working with a videographer and putting stuff out of like heckle videos and people talking to me yeah and you go it's just such a
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
joyful thing because it's almost like doing the stuff when you go, just hit me whatever you want. I'll do anything. It's like seeing a magician do real magic because you kind of go, yeah, I've worked this muscle hard enough. I'll write jokes live for you now.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I don't believe no That was like that and it was a bit a hat-on-hat like sometimes it'd be just crazy things.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
But again, that thing of like going, it's performative being in the audience.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Like I always think that thing with hecklers, like there's more hecklers in the UK. Like when you travel around the world, like so I'm touring everywhere, like all over America, UK, Australia, New Zealand, every territory. And you notice different places have different traditions when it comes to heckling. That's the biggest thing you notice when you travel.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
In North America, people are very slow to shout out during a show because they think, am I spoiling the show? Am I ruining this? And I actively encourage, I don't mind if it's a little bit aggressive because we're all in service of the evening. Right. We're all in service of like, I don't mind if you win. Well, that's confusing for the audience because some people don't want any heckles.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah, I know. I like it when people... Like, no one wants someone to talk over their punchline.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah. I mean, I'm very lucky with... I suppose it's that thing with you can, you know... It's self-selecting. Your audience come and they find you and it's...
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Oh, my God. If I had to compile – maybe I should compile a video of me kicking people out of shows.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
No, I get pretty good. Most of the time. I get pretty good because I always think – That's like schizophrenics.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah, I don't know if they're buying tickets. They should buy two tickets, shouldn't they?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I think kind of food is the thing as well. Food is the medicine before medicine. Like just try and – it's hard on the road. It is.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I got it back. I figured it out. The timing's different in like, I often go from theater to arena. Arena timing's way different. I tell you what, I got it from Chappelle. I was out in Australia on tour last time and I had like one night off and Chappelle was in town that night. So I said, well, I'll go up with you. So I went up and he had it in the round.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
It's so genius because it's like the thrill of, I don't want to say never, but I may never be a professional boxer. There, I said it. But walking into the, it's like walking into a ring because you've got security around you and you have to walk through the audience onto the stage and up the steps. It's so thrilling.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And then you put the screens above and even in a 10,000 seater, no one's more than 2,000 seats back kind of thing. So everyone's got a great seat and you're kind of rotating and I just, I love it.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hadn't thought of that, but they're seeing people laughing and it's that thing of going, okay, well, we're all, it's like an event where we're having fun together.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
It is, although the timing that changes when you go, okay, it's a theater and it's like even a thousand seats. I know it's in the UK sometimes like you've got to – like the Palladium is my favorite place to play, right? The Palladium is a theater that was built 120 years ago. Wow. So the fire regulations 120 years ago were – Yeah, I hope no one dies. That was the fireworks. Good luck.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
There's doors. If there's a fire, I guess leave. So it's tight. It's like it's 2,200 people, but they're close to you. And then sometimes you go to a place that was built two years ago, and it's beautiful and air-conditioned, but the people are so far away because the seats and the aisles and everything's been built for safety. Yeah. So it's like you'd never get it.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
You couldn't build one of those now. Yeah. It was better when they were all on top of you.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I feel like we're getting close to the old bit of the, you know, that black box thing they have on airplanes where it crashes.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Everyone had the observation of just build the plane out of that. Right. What's that made of? Right.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I really like it. Is this a plane with a parachute? Yeah, this is a plane with a parachute. Did you just manifest this?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Are you not going to land and then have a ball of... Well... You might.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah, but that's taken. It's taken like. That's taken force.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah. Yeah. Right. Okay. Simulation theory. I like thinking about it because I kind of go, I've got such a crazy life.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
How could it be real? I'm sitting here with you. Yeah. I was with Chappelle on Sunday. Woody Harrelson came to the show last night. I know him a little bit from London. I was going, this feels like a cartoon. It doesn't feel real somehow. And yet you go, well, it's an interesting way to think about the world because you go, well, if this is a game... What's the scorecard? How do you win?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
But it's that thing of like, you know, for young women, if you're talking to young women, like what would the advice be? And it's like, because young men take risks, right? But young women tend not to take the same risks. But maybe if you do more calculated risks, kind of levels the playing field a little bit.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And it kind of makes you think about, well, what's important in your life? What's the measurable and immeasurable metrics? I often think about there's CV, resume points, and then there's eulogy points. And often those things kind of conflict. You know, like the things that we, you know, career-wise, you could have a great career, but if you don't have kids and a family... Who's doing the eulogy?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Who's speaking for you? What are the things that really matter?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
But that thing of – It's fine. You can still have eulogy things.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
experience with you like your friends and people you worked with like oh do you know Jimmy used to always say you know and you sit around talking about them I suppose it's that thing of like legacy now almost kind of is a secular religion for like what you leave behind You sort of think of the afterlife. I don't really believe in an afterlife, but it's the kids.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I think there's that near-death. Clear. The near-death experience is available to everyone in the form of DMT. Right. Because everyone has the same experience of this. Yes. Another realm, another world beyond. Maybe that's the end of life, Jimmy.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
What does it do? I'm now staying in, not exclusively, but like I'm my hotel choice. I'm solving for places with sauna cold plunge. So I can kind of do that in the morning and feel alive. There's a lot more of those now. Well, it's great. But you travel the world. I travel everywhere. So I was in like Vienna. They've got this incredible facility.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, I suppose career, for what choices you make in life.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, I mean, you say a long time, but I mean, really, when did this start?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Cooking things and then the amount, you know, our brains, you know, you're able to feed that. So food's a huge part. What we're doing now, language and comedy, I don't think it's like, there's different strains of kind of Darwinian evolution, right? So there's for survival, right? And then there's reproductive. And I think what we're doing now, speaking, I think is reproductive.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I think what we're doing is it's almost like peacock feathers, right? So you go, feathers initially weren't for flight. They were for display. Really? Well, that's the theory. Well, how did feathers, because what was the point of a feather before it was for wings, for flying? How would you get to that through evolution?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, actually, if it was for display first, if the peacock is using the feathers correctly, that was the original idea for display for mating. And to show that I have this, I have so much extra energy, I'll be a good mate. Right. To show the female.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Vibrancy and stuff. So why birds sing? I've got this excess energy, I'll be a good mate. Okay, so that thing.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah. Well, dinosaurs as well. The theory on why they died out is interesting. So we randomly assigned gender, and they assigned gender on the basis of temperature. So when the asteroid hit, the dust didn't kill all the dinosaurs. What happened was... Every dinosaur was born female in the next generation because the temperature cooled. Some lizards still do it.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
They assign gender by what the temperature is. So if the temperature falls, you go, right, okay, everyone's female. And when the temperature is above a certain amount, everyone's male. So there's a generation of all female or all male, whatever it was, dinosaurs. What a flaw.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah, but because the temperature we always assume is static, and we don't see the geological changes over time in temperature.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
We've got to fucking wipe these things out. Is there another world where there's dinosaurs with AI? Because if they're coming, we're fucked.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, it's a weird thing. You said it earlier about the idea of, like, our... Competitive advantage, right? You drop one guy in the jungle, you've fed the animals. Drop 10 guys and you have an apex predator, right? Cooperation is our superpower. And for me, cooperation is downstream of play. Play is everything. We're the playing animal.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Someone wrote a book about this in the 1930s about how we are designed to play. Our culture is about play and kids play. And you go, well, that cooperation is what leads to all of this. And weirdly, the Catholic Church, I didn't say this earlier, but the Catholic Church has got a lot to be grateful for. Because in the 12th century, the Catholic Church banned cousin marriage.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And the reason they did it was because they realized the tribe was more important than the church. And they hated that. Right. So the unintended consequence was they said, you can't marry your cousin or your second cousin or your third cousin down to the sixth cousin. Really? And they broke the tribes. Now, when you break tribes, what happens?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, you form small family groups and then you have to trust people. So trust builds. And then from trust, you get guilds and associations and a legal system and everyone. Because before that, it's like, well, you're a cousin. You trust him. It's family.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah. No chin. Just into marriage, into marriage, into marriage. So that's what was taken away. So the unintended consequence of that was more cooperation and people had to get on with other people. And there was like, that's interesting.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I mean, it's an incredible thing, the jiu-jitsu, because the idea that those guys just changed the game totally. Totally.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
That's a fact. The thing I love about it, I kind of want there to be an origination movie about the UFC.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I don't know. I mean, I read a lot of it's like Mary Harrington and Louise Perry, these kind of great feminist writers. And they often sort of talk about this thing of like going, we talk about one stage of feminism above and there's three. There's like there's the there's the maiden. which is the young woman out for a career who can do anything a man can do, right? Absolutely.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah, that would be it. Yeah, but you don't want to have a movie.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Oh, my friend Chris Dickey, who's produced my movie, produced that as well.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
But the interesting thing for me is like the pre the invention of, the bullshit in the 80s. Because we're about the same age. So it would have been that thing of like Bruce Lee movies or The Drunken Master. You ever see The Drunken Master? Sure. All those kind of movies. And then I'd be into martial arts and watching those films. Incredible movies.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And then there'd be such bullshit about, oh, there's this technique from this place and he can do... And none of it was tested. None of it was testable. It was like... No, no, no. It's like that great scene in Once Upon a Time in, what's the Tarantino movie? Once Upon a Time in Hollywood with Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee. Yeah. It's the funniest.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Scene. It's just so good. But the bullshit that was talked about, the one inch punch and all of that stuff.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And then it was like, oh, no, we're really going to test this.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
That's the great line in the Tarantino movie, isn't it? Where he goes, these fists, if I kill a guy, it's murder. Yeah, it's the same with everyone.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I fucking love his movies. He changed the way I consume media. The problem is I know a lot about Bruce Lee. Oh, Bruce Lee.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah. There needs to be a great documentary on Bruce Lee. I mean, there's plenty of stuff, but there needs to be a definitive, like a, you know, Netflix put together beautiful thing because he was an icon. Like he was so incredible, Bruce Lee. Yes. But, you know, Tarantino for me is godlike. Like that movie, Cinema Speculation.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
So I, you know, most people kind of do this thing of they watch new movies.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
because the dopamine of the new story and they listen to old music and I read that book Cinema Speculation I went I'm going to just watch 70s movies and I just started watching the old movies because you forget I mean even if you have seen it you've kind of if you saw it 30 years ago you remember one moment you watch that and then listen to new music so you kind of flip the thing it's really good I'm really loving it I'm loving watching the old movies some of the old movies are fucking amazing
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And then there's motherhood, which a man cannot compete. But feminism doesn't really talk about motherhood that much. It's become almost like a right-wing thing to celebrate motherhood, right? And then there's what they call the crone, the older woman, post-menopausal, who's absolutely... pivotal in our society.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
It's a vision. Yeah. I put him up with Kubrick. I think he's that genius. Actually, I wanted to ask you about that. The Kubrick thing, I got told this fact. What? Okay, so I got told this thing and then I asked Tom Cruise about it. This is a good story. You asked Tom Cruise about something? Okay, so I met Tom Cruise at a friend's wedding and I said, I had nothing to say to Tom Cruise.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Oh, I had so much to say. I said, you made Eyes Wide Shut with Kubrick. And he went, yeah, yeah, I did. I said, I heard he shoots everything, he shot everything with NASA lenses. So the reason he was able to shoot Barry Lyndon, you know the movie Barry Lyndon with Harvey Keitel? Amazing movie. I never saw it. It's lit by candle. There's no lights in that movie. He shot it by candlelight.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And the reason he was able to make it was because he had the best lenses ever made by humans, which were the NASA lenses that they took to the moon landing. So that was Hasselblad. So Hasselblad?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Okay, so he had these lenses. So Kubrick shot everything with these lenses. Now, here's the question for you. How did Stanley Kubrick get those lenses? Maybe at the NASA garage sale they had in 1971 where they sold all the stuff on the front lawn. Okay, so the story I got told, which I want to ask you about, is they...
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
obviously is the middle of the cold war right and the moon landing was a flex by the americans it was a big deal right so they rehearsed the shit out of that who did they rehearse it with well the best director in the world so they brought in a young stanley kubrick and he filmed the rehearsals so they had to rehearse everything before they went up there so i'm not saying the moon landings didn't happen i think they definitely did happen so who's saying that stanley kubrick filmed the rehearsals
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
That sounds like horseshit. How did he have the time? Sorry, how did he get the lenses from NASA? How did he get the lenses? He definitely had the NASA lenses. He bought them from NASA? He got paid in lenses.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
He said this brilliant thing about movies. He said, if you want to tell a story, make people feel something they don't have a name for.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
so there's so many bits in the shining that don't make sense right like the the geometry of the room doesn't make sense or but and it kind of forces you to really see something yeah like so much of our life right is we're not really seeing things i think it's the gift of being a stand-up comedian we get to see things mostly guys of our age are just remembering things
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Or they're having a very repetitive, you know, if you commute every day to the same office, you don't remember 365 days. It's kind of one memory and then you're just on repeat. Whereas if you have unique experiences, it's not that we don't have enough time. We just waste a lot of it. And we want unique novel experience.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
If you think about anyone having a crisis, just a woman comes from nowhere in her 50s or 60s and makes you a cup of tea and takes care of you. It's like it's an incredibly, that grandmother figure is so important in our culture, in our society. And it's not celebrated enough, I don't think.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And so part of the reason I travel the world is to have unique novel experience and to see things in a different way. And sometimes when you watch like a Kubrick or a Tarantino movie, he's just seeing something in such a pure way. Yeah. It's incredible.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Every dog came from a wolf. It does strike me as like, it's a very strange thing how long humanity has been here and how recently... like 10,000 years ago in northern Japan was the first settlement and how quickly things have progressed.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah, that thing of like the gratitude, like the idea that you go, how have you only got to this now? Like the idea that you go, well, actually, taking care of that Maslow's hierarchy of need. You know, so you need food, you need shelter, you need like, we haven't even, I mean, we haven't even covered that for most of humanity.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
But certainly in the place that we live, that's all sort of taken, we factor all that in. That's all like, okay, you've got all of that sorted in. And then we get to self-actualize and we get to specialize. And so maybe it's that thing of like, I don't know, the breaking of the tribes and the idea of specialization. It's the Dunbar number is the important thing, isn't it?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Because the great apes, so Robert Dunbar is the guy that had that idea of, it often comes up when people talk about social media. How many friends can you have? With great apes, they get to a pod of about 60 people. And then they go, I don't really know that guy. He hasn't really groomed me in a long time. So I did this documentary once for the BBC with Robert Dunbar.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
He was incredible. How old was he at the time? I guess 60s. He's not that old. So his theory was kind of, well, actually what happened that allowed human beings to specialize was remote grooming.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
So the idea that we could be in a large group and our language allowed us to have a larger group, like 150 friends in the group, because we didn't have to pick things out of each other's hair or literally groom each other.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah. But that was the great innovation because it allowed us to go, okay, look, I'm going to go and build this thing. You go and do that thing. We'll come together. And obviously, you know, language predates speech by... a million years, millions of years. Laughter predates speech by about a million years, they think.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
You know I've got a weird laugh, right? I laugh on an in. You have to? Yeah, if something really strikes me as funny, it's like, it's such a, people often ask, is it real? It's the most crazy laugh. Odd. I laugh on an in-breath, not an out-breath.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, okay. Well, I don't know where I stand on that. Now I'm in trouble. Don't get me canceled.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
That's an out. It's just a high pitch out. But that thing of laughter being a remote tickle is kind of, it's an interesting idea.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Have you ever seen those German guys that do the laughter therapy? No. They do a laughter therapy in Germany and they just, it's literally a guy going, we're all going to laugh now. Ha ha ha ha ha. And they just force themselves to laugh. There's nothing funny going on. They just force themselves to laugh. It sounds like hell. But it's very good for people because once they get going.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
There is a guy who's like playing, he played like a stadium there. Oh God, I forget his name. But he came to the Edinburgh Festival.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, that thing of like, there's scenes coming up everywhere around the world now. I mean, I got, I think, 47 countries on this tour. And you go, and everywhere I go, there's always a couple of local comics that come to the gig. And they're doing stand-up in English. And there's a little scene. And it's very contagious, I think.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I think it's kind of the YouTube and the Netflix effect of like, it's just out there now. And we're more aware globally of who's doing what. Unquestionable.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Jeremy Clarkson is a friend of mine. You've got to get him on here. I love Jeremy.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah, he's got to come on here. Because he's like... I don't know. I think you'd have a lot in common. He's like super into cars. I love Hammond.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah. Well, they're just passionate about it. Yeah. There is something of like, I'd love someone to do, I'm sure it exists somewhere and I just haven't been to it, but like a museum of the motor car.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Oh, yeah. I know. I saw where they were building that and it wasn't finished yet.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Because it feels to me like vintage cars are the way to go. There's so many regulations now. There's so much you have to do. In your goofy country. Yeah. In your goofy country, they lock you down. Well, I think that's all going to change though, isn't it? I think it's like we could never get American cars in the UK. Yeah. You could never buy a Cadillac in the UK. You could never.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And maybe that's going to change now. I hope so. I'd love to be able to buy those.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
It is an interesting thing of like cars. There's a certain point now where what's the last car you could drive as opposed to it driving you? You know, so there's an argument to say I had like a Porsche from, a Targa from 89. So I had the G50, but it was air cooled. But it was like, it's kind of the last one, I think, before the technology kind of took over and they were just too good.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, if you're a solid mom, think about it. The best dad in the world is what? It's a mediocre mom. Yeah. Like if I take my kids to the playground, it's like, oh, fantastic. If mom does it, it's kind of expected. It's already factored in.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I wonder what it is that we're enjoying there because I think it's like it's type one and type two thinking. So it's like driving a car. When you're getting your license to drive stick shift, you really have to concentrate. Sure. And then it goes over into this other place where you just go, it's just happening. I don't have to think about this.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
But you're like engaged. You're kind of in a flow state when you're driving one of those cars and just driving it. You haven't got the radio on. I used to love driving home from shows and you'd think of something and you'd be driving and you wouldn't be, you know, days before iPhones. So you just have to remember that thought. And let it linger. And kind of thinking of jokes and wordplay.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
It's interesting those things of like activities that engender different kind of states. Like, okay, you play a lot of pool. Now, I don't play much pool. But I do play pool with my friends if they're having a tough time. If you have to have a tough conversation with a friend, they're down, they're depressed, whatever. This looking each other in the eyes doesn't work so well.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Because there's a lot of thinking time. You know, if it's an emotional conversation, if there's something big going on, a game of pool is kind of fantastic for that because it just slows everything down. You've got a reason to be there for longer. It's kind of, it's playful. And there's kind of a low-level competition going on, but the stakes aren't high.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And you kind of have a great, it's like when you're in the car with a buddy, you have a great conversation side by side.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
It's like someone saying, yeah, no, no, we should all learn to swim. No, sometimes you need a life raft. Yeah. Sometimes you need a fucking floatie.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Just for a couple of weeks. But that thing of like... And we should chat about that, because it's like... Suicide for me, it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Invariably, it's that thing of like... People think they want to disappear, but really they want to be found.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And I find it heartbreaking because I think more so than other fun stuff you go and see, with comedy, I know it's a lot of people that are depressed or have suicidal ideation, are self-medicating. with stand-up comedy. So they watch a lot of comedy or they come to a lot of comedy shows because it's kind of the opposite of what they're feeling.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And it's that thing of the, you kind of, I always do a bit about it at the end of the show. I mean, I tell a lot of brutal jokes and then I talk about it because you go, there's going to be someone in the crowd.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I had this like heartbreaking thing where, I've had it a couple of times now where people come up and go, oh, I was going to, I had this amazing woman talk to me about, she had like, it was like she was celebrating like 14 years of extra life but she was like 17 or something at home and she was thinking about ending it but she was waiting until everyone had gone to sleep before she hung herself.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And she turned on her computer on YouTube and she saw clips of some panel show bullshit that I was doing and she laughed. Oh, wow. And then she watched another clip. And then she watched another. And then she got super into comedy and whatever. She didn't do it that night. And then she watched more of it the next day. And somehow that got her over or she attributed that to getting her over a hump.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
It's perspective. You know, have you ever had Peter McGraw on here?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Peter McGraw is that guy that came up with the benign violation theory of comedy.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And a couple of blows to the head. A bunch. Just enough. The sweet spot. Peter McGraw, the benign violation theory.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're all from him. Oh, wow. Oh, there he is, yeah.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
So his theory, which I'm sure he has spoken about on this very show, is the idea that you go, okay, so violations are like how things are meant to be, right? If it deviates from that, it's a violation in life. So death, disease, famine, all of the worst stuff in the world. It's like, it's a violation. And he's saying, okay, if you imagine a Venn diagram, that's one circle.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And then overlapping that is kind of humor. And you go, if you joke about something, you're kind of, you're re… you're recoding it in your mind to say, no, no, this is okay. We're putting a bit of distance between this.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And I went and it's like, you know, it's an amazing sauna, amazing cold plunge. So I get in there. I'm having a great time. A guy walks in. And I get told off for wearing shorts because I've got swim shorts on and it's Austria and they like to sauna naked. They want to look at your cock. They want to check it out. Okay. And now I've got no problem with that in the sauna.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
So just by joking about something, you make these violations in life, these terrible things, whether it's death, disease, suicide, whatever the terrible thing is, you're making it okay through laughter. You're filtering life's hardships through laughter. the charcoal of comedy and kind of making it palatable.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
So it's like, you know, I often say this, I feel sorry for the people that are easily offended. Or like offended because laughing at difficult things is, it pays out on the worst days. So like when you're having your very worst day, you go, yeah, but at least we can laugh.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Like those things of like, if you've had friends die or, you know, they're in palliative care and you can sort of get a laugh out of them and it's just eases everything.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Think being able to laugh it off is it's quite super power Well, it's quite stoic isn't it because you can't really choose what happens to you.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Just how you react to it We don't have any control but we have a lot of influence and the idea that Disposition is more important than position is one of my kind of core beliefs like I know some pretty fucking miserable billionaires And I know some people that are just you know, so what's happiness? It's like it's your current situation minus expectations and
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
It's nothing, right? But that thing about being loved... unconditionally yeah by your mother and i was absolutely loved unconditionally by her in such a a brilliant way and you go that it kind of gets you to self-confidence like you know what self-confidence is going to feel like because that's it's sort of the same feeling
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I get annoyed with it because it's, you know, people buy a ticket to see me live. It's like buying a ticket to a horror movie and then complaining, I'm scared.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I mean, it's absolutely brutal, but then it's all in service of fun.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Chris Rock talked about it brilliantly after the incident at the Oscars. He said this thing about like there's three ways to get attention. You could be brilliant at something that takes a lot of work or whatever. You could be infamous. Or you could be a victim. And it's the easiest option. Right. It's the easiest option. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah. Well, I suppose that thing of like, if you had to define entitlement, right? It's a word that gets used a lot, right? Sure, sure. Okay, so for me, it's like where you are now and where you want to be. If you want to do something about it, that's ambition. If you think that's someone else's problem, that's entitlement.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
and it comes back to that agency empathy thing like I'm very empathetic to oh wow that's a wow that's a your cards are not great the cards that you've been dealt are not great but they're your cards and I want to I want you to be empowered to do as much as you fucking can with those cards Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
It felt like I did in 2012 though. Felt like I did. What happened? You divorced? No, no. I had a big tax scandal. I tell you when you know you've got tax problems, right? What happened? If the prime minister of the country that you live in breaks off from the G20 summit to come out and do a press conference where he talks about nothing other than your personal tax affairs, that's a red flag.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
What happened, Jimmy? I don't know. I was in like some accountant said to me, do you want to, oh, there's like a tax scheme. You want to be in a tax scheme? And I went, yeah, okay. Like, stupid. Oh, did you know it was not legit? Oh, no, it was legit. It was all legal. It was tax avoidance, not tax evasion. There's a difference, and the difference is about 18 months in prison.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
So, thankfully, I came down on the right fucking side of that. How much did you wind up owing? Oh, it was enough. It was enough to go, oh, put the tour in. Great, we're going on the road. Wow. Yeah, we're in trouble.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, I'd love it if they took the cocaine and paid the tax on that. Just went to the IRS and went, look, I brought you this baggie of coke.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
It's about 30% of the coke I took. This is for you, the IRS.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I've gamed the system. I do two shows a night now. So one for me, one for them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I don't even see that money. I can't be trusted. I can't trust myself.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Or it's trying to get that in a weird way. A weird way, yeah. So you're trying to be, you know, you're trying to collect stuff so you get respect and admiration rather than from what you do.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, imagine if the IRS went, look, Taylor, you've paid a lot of tax last year. So we're going to write some songs. We've written you this. We've got an idea. We think it's pretty good. We've clubbed together. We've got a bass guitar. We've got a riff. Here you go.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I don't know. There's places you go around the world, though, where the tax rate is higher, but no one's annoyed because it just delivers. I do a lot of gigs in Norway, Finland, Denmark, where you kind of go, yeah, great.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, maybe that's the thing with America, though, where you go, it's a country and then it's lots of states. And maybe the state level makes more sense, like the nation state level makes more sense than kind of a global level.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I'm just trying to think of the city that I play. I don't think it's Estonia. You might have to Google this, but it's like they've got a medical school and it's free. You go to medical school. It's in Eastern Europe. They teach it in English. And the reason they do it is because they go, well, you know, 400 kids a year are going to come here and study medicine.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Some of them are going to fall in love with a local girl and stay. We've got more doctors. That's nothing but good news. And it's great. You know, we just run the system. It doesn't cost us that much to run a university.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And they live there. And obviously you've got to live there. A lot of what it takes to be a student is the upkeep on, you know, your living and expenses. You get a part time job, whatever you're adding to the local community as well as study.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I don't know if that's like a conspiracy or is that emergent. It's natural. The system that we have, there's a bug in it where that's how it looks. It looks like they're doing that. And you go, well, that's just the system's doing that somehow. So we need to adjust the system a little bit.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
No, that's the Republicans in the 80s. Yes. When NAFTA got signed. Absolutely. So that was a Republican policy to let people across the border for cheap labor.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I think you get that from having kids as well. Like when you have kids, you start to see everyone else as, oh, you used to be a baby.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
The invention of the teenager as a consumer with disposable income and time that they could spend. And the unions don't get the credit they deserve.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Yeah. It's really dark. And no one's really talking about that. What's happening in the DRC at the moment is fucking horrific.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I don't know what to be done. I mean, what's to be done? Is it a constitution? Is it a minerals deal? I don't even know who the government is there. I know Rwanda invaded recently in the north.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
India, send it over there. Well, is this going to be... Okay, I'm very positive. I'm very optimistic about life. Is this going to be an incredible flourishing for America the next 20 years? Because the industrial base is going to come back. It would be wonderful if that was the case.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
America's a yeah, I saw it was in yellow springs with Dave Chappelle and Chappelle was telling me about the history of yellow springs and he said oh It's interesting because this town is a microcosm for America. It's got the same makeup as America Roughly speaking so they used it to test a lot of stuff like he said when I bought the McRib They tested the McRib there.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
So when he was a kid, they had the McRib. He thought it was everywhere, but it was just there where they tested it and went, okay, that works. Or this new flavor soda, this new thing. Like the universal basic income. Okay, we could have opinions about whether it works, whether it doesn't work. I'm suspicious because I worry about purpose. I sort of think the opposite of addiction isn't sobriety.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
It's purpose. People with purpose. Right. tend to do great. So whatever gives you that purpose and might be a family, doesn't need to be a family, but something that gives you purpose and drive and you're aiming up towards something.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
But America is a big country. There's a lot of little towns like Yellow Springs. There's a lot of places where we could test universal basic income. I think they have done that. Did it work? Did we know?
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I mean you're preaching to the choir here. I think that thing of like – gratitude as the mother of all virtues. And the idea of going, we don't see how lucky we are. Because we might see it on a surface level, like of going, oh, you know, I'm lucky because I'm healthy and, you know, I'm able to write jokes. But then you don't see the kind of the layer below that of going, well, I was born with...
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
But that's the thing of like companies are greedy. We can agree on that. They want to make money. And I think the companies will realize what we need. It's not just like if you look at China, I think China is in a very tough situation, not just because half of its population is now over 53. OK, and demographics are destiny. So it's not just that they don't have enough workers.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
They don't have enough consumers. Not having enough consumers is a real problem.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
So you go – yeah. So they're absolutely dependent on – Trade. On trade and exports. So you go – the idea – you have to have a certain amount of jobs. You have to have things for people to do. And it will change over time. Like 120 years ago, everyone's working in agriculture. You couldn't have imagined –
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
people coming to the cities in those numbers and becoming factory workers and then becoming all the factory workers are now white collar workers in offices. It's a new thing. We can't imagine what the next phase is. It's difficult to imagine what the future might look like. And there's a lot of people, there's always someone saying, oh, this is it.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
They need a lot of. It's the, okay, so that's very recent. And then you, I always think that the global thing of like, we're talking about America, we're talking a little bit about Great Britain, but globally you go the, you know, I'm worried about people not having jobs here.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
But also you can't look at India and go, oh yeah, we've made, everyone here's got, you know, central heating and air conditioning and flushing toilets.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
No, but we need to take care of the environment. So sorry, guys. It's like we need that for everyone. For sure. There's a basic level that we need globally for the world.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, I mean, nature will come back. It's that thing if you go, they'll get there, but it's the resources. Nature will come back? Well, I think, yeah, because, you know, I mean... If the humans die off, perhaps? No, no, no, not if the humans die off. I mean, I think that thing of going, yeah, there's terrible pollution there and there's awful things because we've exported our sins to...
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
to the third world. Yes. Because we say, well, we want to hit this net zero target. So we let them drill for oil or gas.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
I think like beauty is a really interesting thing, right? So you see someone and they're born beautiful. Margot Robbie and you might go, oh, yeah, she's Barbie. She's gorgeous. It's easy for her. But when you look at Oppenheimer, you don't see, well, that guy was born with an IQ of 160 and a work ethic. Now, work ethic is heritable, largely heritable, like 70% heritable. Really? Yeah.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Well, a lot of things with the rare earths that we get from China, the reason we get them from China, they're not tough to make. We've got the raw materials here, but they're dirty to make. And it's a horrible procedure to get that thing. And we wash our hands of it and let them do it over there. That's not a way to conduct yourself.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
cheap labor it's much more efficient production in terms of the amount that like chip manufacturing in particular with taiwan where you go yes look you know taiwan is we're kind of worried about it and you go well what's what's going to happen and i don't have the i don't have enough knowledge to know why superconductors can only be made there but there's clearly they've been doing it for so long they've got this process down to a science and it's like it's super
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
It's almost like when it's described to you, it almost feels like magic.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
Arthur C. Clarke's famous quote, when any significantly advanced science will appear as magic. Yeah. It's kind of true.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
See, for me, that gets to the Kuhn-Popper debate on science, right? What is that? So Kuhn and Popper are these two great theorists of science. And Popper believed that science incrementally improves over time. And then Kuhn came along and he said, no, no, what happens is there's the science, there's a scientific community and they have a theory.
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#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And then what happens is everything that disagrees with that theory is thrown out as nonsense. And then there's a revolution. There's like these incredible shifts that happen. So it's not like a steady line up. It's like along and then up and then along. So you get these kind of...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2326 - Jimmy Carr
And you don't just develop that? No, I don't think so. I mean, you develop some of it. And what you inherit, what you get in your factory settings when you come out, that's what it is. You can only work with the other stuff. So that's the interesting stuff.