James Fox
Appearances
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
so the driver yes so i got in touch with the with the with the mayor i they actually interviewed the mayor of the town this guy uh verge verge and um and he's like hey is there anything i can do to help you guys i believe this happened i want to get the story out i think the world needs to know i was like yeah there's something you could do could you help me locate this guy eric lopes he's been mia for 26 years and he was apparently driving the car so we go to his house
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Really spooky, right? The guy's off the beaten path, get to his house, and... Oh, you got... Yeah, that's the creature. That's it.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Yep, that was witnessed in broad daylight by three girls, Valkyria, Liliani, and Katya. Two of them are sisters. Broad daylight. They got within 10 feet of that creature in broad daylight. Damn. Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
So anyway, we get to Eric Lopes' house, and he... I don't speak Portuguese, but he was, like, apparently telling everyone, you know, get the hell out of there, or he's going to start spraying bullets.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And he said it, like, three or four times, and then I looked over at the guy, the translator, and he looked at me, and he was just like this. Eric Lopes was looking out the window right above me, and I was looking at his eyes going, God, that guy's seen something. I don't know. Man. He had looked like he was so burdened with... with something. You see it in his eyes.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I remember I'd never looked into someone's eyes that had that profound, like he was just burdened with something really intense. Did he look like afraid or he just looked kind of like just distant? He looked like he'd been shouldering something so profound, so deep, so deeply, profoundly disturbing, and that he couldn't share it with anybody. That's what it looked like.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
But anyway, I was confused. But anyway, that was a second time. Only, yeah, two times where I actually was, like, threatened.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Yeah, threatened to be shot. That's crazy. So you didn't even get to talk to the guy. He wouldn't talk. Well, funny enough, it's really funny, actually, because he said, and you can see it in the movie, when we rolled up, he's like, if you're here to talk about the E.T., Eric won't talk. And he referred to himself in the third person, which is weird. And then he was like, Eric's not here.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And then it's like, I'm going to start shooting right now. Bullets out of here. And I kept asking, I didn't know what he was saying. So I kept trying to get a question in like to my translator and the translator could looking at me like, dude, just chill, you know? And then finally he looked at me like, it's time to go like this, that look, you don't need to speak any language to get that look.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
It was like, we're leaving now, period. Yeah. And I was like, shit, what's going on? Anyway, so yeah, that was... What do you think happened to him?
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Just imagine for a moment if he really was the driver that was involved in the capture of a live alien. I'm not saying believe it or unbelieve it, but if it did happen and then your best friend dies...
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
yeah and now the family and the world wants to know what happened you can't talk and if because your life has been threatened right yeah so you have to shoulder that burden for 26 years right yeah so if it happened you can imagine how disturbing that was and you know he's military intelligence so you know he's armed to the teeth i'm sure and i would talk to some other fellow brazilian ufo researchers uber de jaro rodriguez this guy pacaccini
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And he was like, oh, yeah, back in 26 years ago, we wouldn't go near air globes. I was like, why not? He goes, everybody knew that guy was packing. He was going to open fire. I was like, well, now you guys tell me. Jesus Christ, I went to the guy's house. I probably almost got shot in the face. That would have sucked so bad.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
So anyway, so coming off the heels of that. I, you know, because I did a film called The Phenomenon, right, which covers the phenomenon from the 40s up to relatively modern day, 2017, 2020, whatever. Yeah. And then I naturally, the natural progression would have been to go on from The Phenomenon to the program, which is out now. But I had unfinished business with this alleged UFO crash case.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And so I went back to Brazil like a fifth time, and I filmed Moment of Contact, right? And at the very end of it all, and I totally believed it. In fact, I remember taking one of the audio guys, he lived in Rio de Janeiro, and this guy Guy, and he goes, Oh, yeah, we heard about that story back 26 years ago. Nobody believes it. It's like, you know, kind of like Roswell, you know? For sure, yeah.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Then I took him on all the shoots, and he was like, holy shit, this happened, you know? And I said, yeah, I wouldn't waste 12 years of my time if I didn't. Yeah. So at the last week or so of filming in Brazil, a flight control officer with the Brazilian military, because flight control, fire department, police, they're all connected to the military, said,
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
So I'm like, now I'm out of the race. You know, and UFOs had a bit of baggage. There was always sort of that knee jerk reaction when you mentioned UFO. So I think they wanted to kind of, you know, steer away from that. Yeah, get into the UAP stuff. And it's really funny. I think it was today or it was last night. Senator Schumer, Senate Majority Leader Schumer, is being hammered in the press.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
He came forward and said, yeah, I saw the United States Air Force plane come in and land in Campinas. Wait, what did you say, what? So it was confirmed the United States Air Force was involved with this UFO crash case. Okay. That the United States Air Force flew in to a place called Campinas. And then from Campinas, I know, right? I know, Virginia and Campinas, right?
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
It doesn't get any better than that.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Sorry. I thought my mind was just making tricks. I thought you might have known about this case. I'm sorry. No, Camp Penis. Joe Rogan talked about it for a year. Virginia Camp Penis. Yeah. I wish I knew. I know. I know. So there was an alien invasion.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I know, you can't make this stuff up. I know. Okay, so what happened? So the last time I was there after 12 years of filming on and off, a guy comes forward and he was with flight control with the Brazilian government, military. And he's like, yeah, I was on duty that night and I saw, this is January 20th, 1996, and I saw USAF come in. And I was like, USAF? Oh, United States Air Force, USAF.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Flight come in and didn't have authorization to land. So he told some folks, like, I can't let this guy land. You need authorization. And then a higher-up stepped in the room and said, let him land. So he goes, yeah, this thing landed. Then two helicopters, one or two helicopters, were unloaded, and they were flown to Virginia.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
They picked up some stuff, came back to the Campinas, loaded it on the plane, and the United States Air Force plane, back to the United States. Yeah. So that was when I became aware of the fact that, wow, there probably is a crash retrieval program going on. So when I started doing the program... the film that's out now, it was almost personal for me, right? Because I had no idea.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Like I was on Joe Rogan talking about Moment of Contact in April of 2023. Well, in July of 2023, the highest level intel officer, David Grush, testified under oath to a bipartisan group of lawmakers that there is a crash retrieval program and he found it. Damn. Yeah. So the program kind of covers...
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
This unprecedented push for transparency on what the intel agencies really know about the phenomenon, right?
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
It's like, you better tell the truth. You got me. So people think that the government suddenly had an epiphany and decided to be more transparent on the UFO phenomenon. That's not what happened.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I don't know if you've seen it yet or not. And the guy's like, you don't know what it is. Therefore, it's a UAP. You wrote the legislation. Don't you remember? He's like, well, we don't know what they are. Therefore, it's a UAP.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Yeah, right. What happened was there were a couple of intel insiders, Christopher Mellon being one of them, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, along with Lou Elizondo and a handful of others, just a small handful, that protested because of excessive secrecy.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
They found a loophole and walked some evidence from the Pentagon out on the front page of the New York Times, and that happened in December of 2017. So they can't put the genie back in the bottle, right? The more people keep coming forward now, more people coming forward. And then Congress started getting wind.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I literally had an Air Force colonel text me, and he goes, so what's up with the promotion? You managed to get a full-on alien invasion on the release of your film. How did you coordinate that?
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
They were having behind-doors meetings with some of these witnesses, and they were like, ooh, there's a there there. Wow. Then they had the first congressional hearing by a guy named Andre Carson, Congressman Andre Carson. That was 2022. They had a hint of a crash retrieval program that was revealed through a memo, the Davis-Wilson memo.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Then they had congressional hearings in July of 2023, and that's when it was all out. David Grush said, yeah, we have a crash retrieval program. And then recently, just a month ago, we had more congressional hearings, which I attended. And Lou Elizondo, who ran AATIP or was one of the members on AATIP, he confessed under oath that there is a crash retrieval program.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Well, if that's the case, that would be an even bigger story because somebody has kept it secret for over 80 years. Wow, okay, that's cool. Yeah, no, I hear you. These things exhibit a technology that's just so beyond anything that we have in our arsenal. And what are the examples of the technology that we can't really wrap our heads around? So you have objects that can hover.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
without displaying any kind of visible means of propulsion. They can accelerate from a standstill to out of sight in the blink of an eye. Right angle turns at high speeds. No sonic boom, no air disturbance. Very little noise. Sometimes you'll hear a slight buzzing or humming noise, but that's it, within certain proximity, some of the witnesses. And they fly rings around our fastest jets.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I mean, like, they make a mockery of our fastest jets. I mean, you could just talk to David Fravor about that, 2003 off the coast of San Diego. So... And I think the big secret is they don't know what it is. I mean, they know it's engineered, right? They know it's technological, but there's a psychic component to it as well.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
So it would be very difficult for any governing body to come forward and say, Hey, ladies and gentlemen, my fellow Americans, it has been brought to our attention that there are structured craft of unknown origin whizzing around with impunity.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
They fly rings around our fastest jets, so we don't know who they are, where they come from, and if they turn out to be hostile, we have no visible means of defense against them. Thank you and good night. Yeah, true. Everyone would be like, fuck this. Everyone would be like, no!
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
That's why right now, when they don't know what these drones are, they're calling them drones because drones are a little less scary than UAP, right? So they're calling them drones, but they're saying, you have nothing to fear, and yet we don't know what the hell they are. So that's a little strange because how could you say what something isn't when you don't know what it is? Yeah, true.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
They want to say drones because UAP has people freaking out. Charged, yeah. And it's so funny, too, because they're going... Well, we have absolutely no idea what it is, but everyone's fine. Everything's safe. There's nothing to worry about here. Sure. So there are just like tons of drones popping up and everyone's freaking out because nobody knows whose they are.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I initially, you know, on first look, I was like, oh, it sounds, you know, conventional because, you know, UAP demonstrated technology that sort of light years advancement anything we have. But then I started doing a little deeper dive, and I'm hearing reports that they're evading the military, radar, FLIR. They go dark. Oh, really? They have a loiter time of hours and hours and hours.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I'll give you an example. And there's examples like this that go on for decades. So David Fravor, the encounter that took place, it's now commonly referred to as the Nimitz case. It was off the coast of San Diego in 2003. And he chased this tic-tac-looking object.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
and it had no wings, no propulsion, it could hover, it was hovering right over the ocean, he could see it down below, there was two military jets that saw it, four people that got visual, and that picked up on the radar, and they chased after it, and as they were close, so the plane, the object was down just above the ocean surface, and it was darting around kind of like this,
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And Fravor said he was going to get a closer look at it at whatever altitude he was. So he started spiraling down to get a closer look at it. And the tic-tac object starts spiraling up. So it was mimicking his movement but backwards. So he's spiraling down. It's spiraling up. And then he decides to kind of do a maneuver and intercept it, like cut it off. He gets right at it.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
He goes, this is about a quarter of a mile. And he goes, that sounds kind of far away or half a mile, whatever it is. But in flight, it's, it's very close. Yeah. No rivets, no seams. Like what is this thing? And then he said, it took off. Like you just impossible like this. It performed, it did something that's just not even possible.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And then it ended up at their, it's a strategic Latin launch that's like predetermined before. I'm trying to think of the technical name they use for that. But in any case, it just showed up right at that exact tactical spot at their Latin launch.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
It's like, and he said he had like the hair on the back of his neck stand up straight because that was like it basically like I'm five steps ahead of you guys.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I even know where your Latin launch is. Nice, man. Yeah. So and again, there's I could give you example after example. For sure. Yeah. No, that makes sense. That's pretty crazy. Yeah.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
But that's OK. I mean, you know, reality is reality. It's been going on for a long time. It doesn't seem to be here to hurt us because others might argue with me on that point. But for the most part, seems to be a fairly benign. I mean, there are other aspects of the phenomenon that one might argue is a little scary, but whatever. That's a whole nother.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I would argue... Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Then the Coast Guard reported being followed over the ocean. I mean, just something weird is going on. I don't know exactly what it is or who's behind it, but people are scratching their heads.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Oh, yeah, yeah. No, it's really funny actually. To your point... I interviewed this guy, Robert Salas, who was a launch control officer during the height of the Cold War. And I think he was in charge of Minuteman missiles, but they were nuclear arms.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And I'm not sure if it was Minot or anyways, one of these bases housing nuclear weapons and objects were seen over the base, documented over the base. And then all of their vast majority of nuclear weapons went into a no-go situation. They were just shut off and they're all independently controlled. I report about it in my film, The Phenomenon. And I talked to Salas about this and it was funny.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I could see why he was a launch control officer because he's got this demeanor where he's just like super mellow and calm and just measured and just doesn't, you know, he's like, well, James, the message I got from that is almost like taking matches out of the hands of a baby. Maybe you shouldn't be playing with these things. Yeah, and I was like, wow, never thought of it that way.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I never heard of that, so they all just deactivated. Yeah, oh, there's 50 cases in my film, The Phenomenon. I literally did a deep dive in there with the help of this guy, Robert Asins, who wrote the book on it. And yeah, you'll hear officer after officer after officer about incursions over military bases. They seem to be like some people would put it like a moth to a flame.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Like anytime there's nukes around, the phenomenon kind of just comes around to check it out. Wow. Damn, that's crazy. Yeah, Senator Harry Reid, former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, gave me an interview. I think it was like 2019. Yeah. And he was the one that started this, one of the key people that started this UFO investigation, ATIP, Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Before that, it was OSAP. But in any case, I asked him. It went on for 10 years. It was never meant to go public. But again, people had protested from the inside from excessive secrecy and walked some evidence out of the Pentagon onto the front page of the New York Times. And it went on for 10 years. It was found out in like 27 at the end of 2017.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
It started around 20, sorry, 2008, 2007, something like that. And I said, what was some of the more astonishing aspects of the phenomenon that you learned during that 10 year Pentagon investigation? And he goes right away, just like that. He goes, they're interested in our nukes. And I was like, Oh, Whoa. I'd heard about that a little bit.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
So we did a whole segment on it within the phenomenon of, of yeah. Wow. That's pretty crazy. Yeah. And there are a lot of incursions going on, military bases all over the place still. So I don't know. I think it's a far more complex issue than one might, you know, gather. Yeah, true. It doesn't have like one easy explanation. I've been doing this 30 years and I don't know what the hell's going on.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I thought it would have a unifying effect on all of humanity, quite honestly. I mean, if there's an outside force. I mean, Reagan had talked about it, but he used it more of a threat. But if you have something that's – I think it would unify us. Yeah. Excuse me. I remember interviewing Apollo astronaut Edgar Mitchell. And he was Apollo 14, sixth man to walk on the moon.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And he said on the way to the moon, he was so caught up in all the data, and he might as well have been a simulator. But coming back... He got to kind of really just look at the earth and look at what he, and really feel what he was doing. He was hurling through this little tin can through the vastness of space and darkness. And he goes, you don't know dark until you've been into space.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Like it's just, it's a vacuum out there. And he goes, I looked at earth and I watched it slowly getting bigger and bigger and all those invisible lines. I didn't see any territories. And I was imagining all the wars that were taking place and all this. And he really felt, not just saw, but felt like humankind as one race, one people kind of thing.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And I think that this reality will help accelerate that, in my opinion.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I don't think they have control of it. I really don't.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Someone who's investigated all around the world for 30 years. There's no way. I don't think that we're... No, I think that they're doing what they're doing.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I mean, if you look at the program, you'll see... refreshingly, you'll see a bipartisan effort. You'll see Democrats and Republicans working together, being civil, and like really trying to get to the bottom of it. And I love that.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
About that. It's uniting Congress and our elected officials, no question about it. You're looking at AOC with Tim Burchett being really kind to each other and calling each other colleagues. And it's very, yeah, I love that. I think we need more of it.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Fucking. Yeah. Right. Nothing. They should send all politicians into space. They should be awesome. Or just give them a ton of LSD.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I've heard that theory. And one of the things that I'm coming to terms with is that all options are on the table as far as I'm concerned. I mean, I've heard interdimensional. I've heard future, coming back from the future. I've heard interplanetary. I've heard they're right here all along, down in our oceans and in specific locations around the world. And I can't say no to any of them.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I have to keep all options on the table. And at one point, jokingly, I said, I'm a huge universe. I said, you know, maybe it's all of the above. Maybe it's not just one race. Maybe it's a number of different things. It's one of the reasons why I showed some incredible Hubble telescope photography from space and galaxies. And one photograph in particular from NASA is...
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
They look like almost stars, there's so many of them, but then you realize they're not stars. You're looking at galaxies, and each one of those galaxies has like 400 billion stars, right? And you're looking at all these pinpoints of light, and those are all galaxies, and you're thinking, you've got to be kidding me. That's just incomprehensibly big, right?
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
It's like, and we're just like, there's more stars... There's 10,000 times more stars than there are grains of sand on all the beaches in the world. It's like 10,000 times. So you can't even wrap your head around it. And it's getting bigger by the day. And now they're talking about multiverses and stuff. It's like God only knows, man. Sometimes it's like my mind hurts thinking about it.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I don't know, man. Sometimes when I think about the vastness and how it keeps going on, and if it's not infinite... Then where does it stop?
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I was freaking out at the Uber last night.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Yeah, well, I mean, so how that came about... I'll back up a little bit and tell you how I got into it. And I had a father who was a journalist. He was a quadriplegic with MS. And so at a very early age, I was traveling around the world with him because I was his legs. I was his chauffeur. I was his nurse, his secretary. You know, we just traveled together. He was a mainstream journalist.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Feels good. I remember asking Edgar Mitchell, it was really funny because we're in the middle of talking about UFOs and he like, Kind of grew up in Roswell, excuse me, the surrounding areas. And so he knew all the ranchers from back in the late 40s, early 50s, actually even earlier than that.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And I was like, God, I'm so sorry to ask this question of you because I'm sure you get asked this all the time. What was it like to go to the moon? And he's like, well, James, if you'd like, I'll tell you. And so I got such a detailed description of what it was like right down to when they landed on the lunar surface. They were hearing these macro meteorite
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
meteorites pelting the skin of their craft and they've been up basically for three days and nasa's like you guys need to go to sleep and they were like oh no man i want to which they tried to go to sleep and then they were too excited they were like told nasa we're we're overriding your recommendations we're gonna we're putting our suits on we're going
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
They were on the lunar surface and he said, they put their suits on and they went out there and he's walking around the lunar surface and he says he sees off in the distance this blue marble. I love sharing this story because it's so crazy. This blue marble suddenly rise. It was an earth rise from the moon.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And he said, there it was, this oasis of life and suspended in the darkness of space, the vacuum of space, such a hostile environment around it, right?
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
and there it rose and he had these big gloves on and he put up one hand and he blocked out the entire earth right from the lunar surface uh-huh he's like all that i know all that i've learned all the borders all the people and i'm blocking it out with one hand damn yeah isn't that cool wait so the earth rises when you're on the moon yeah it was earth rise yeah earth rise yeah that's so crazy that's so cool
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Yeah, and it was like a blue marble. Like you said, suspended in a vastness. He goes, you don't understand the vacuum of space until you've been there. Like, it's dark, it's hostile, and there's this oasis, this life oasis.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
All right. Yeah. That's cool. You know, I wonder sometimes if we just like, I used to think back when I first started this, cause I was like, I would go into the field. I wouldn't just read books or go to conferences. I would actually go to locations and meet with witnesses on UFO sightings all over the place. And so I knew the phenomenon was real.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
We interviewed people like Stephen Hawking and race car legend Dan Gurney and just did a lot of cool stuff together. And so I had a sneak preview into journalism pretty early on in my life through my dad.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I mean, unless everybody I was talking to, including pilots and FAA officials and some civilians and governors all line, I was like, well, maybe, you know, it's such a big universe, you know, the galaxy, whatever, Milky Way. We probably just get periodic visitation for whatever reason. The governments decide to cover it up. That's what I thought.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
But now, all these years later, I'm like, oh, my gosh. Now I feel like I know less today than I did when I started. Yeah. Because like you said, like, could it be time travelers? Yes, it could. Could it be interdimensional? Yes, it could. Could it be interplanetary? Sure could. Why not? Yeah. Yeah.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
He's not doing the UAP anymore. He just doesn't even want to talk about it. He learned certain things and he's like, we're done. I'm not doing this. And it's funny, actually, because one of the things that Senator Harry Reid said to me was that they were just trying to get some of these senators to look at the data, look at the evidence. And they were so dismissive of they said it's demonic.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And I'm not going to engage with that. So because he couldn't explain it or for whatever reason, it was just written off. So there's that wing of the elected officials that have looked at it that way. I don't know if they're still looking at it that way, but they were like, it's demonic and we don't want anything to do with it. I'm not even going to look at it. Damn. That's what he told me. Yeah.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And even people within the Pentagon saying that.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
You know, one of the people in the part of the UAP task force, I'm not sure what year he was involved, but his name is Len Val Logan. Great guy. And he goes, you know, it's crazy. He goes, we pick up a Russian make or something on the radar and it's all hands on deck. And yet when it doesn't have any markings on it, we can't identify it. It's like nothing to see here, folks.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
It's like, it's like, he's like, well, how could that be? What? Like. Like, if it had a Russian flag or a Chinese flag, it would be all hands on deck. But because it doesn't have that, it's flying rings around, we can't stop it, control it, whatever. It's like, nothing to see here, folks. Yeah. Oh, that's kind of nuts. That's what he said, yeah.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And then I had a high school buddy of mine that when we graduated, we were 18 and we flew to Europe and we bought a used car, Rene Harris, and we bought a used car, drove from London down to Portugal. We were really close, man. We were like brothers. And then we parted ways for like a year or two as things done. He had different things going on, whatever. And then I, you know, reunited with him.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
He's like, how can that be? I was like, it's a great quote. It's one of the quotes in the credit. I always like to, like when I'm editing a film, I'll get a lot of what are called GMs or golden moments. And I always paint those, I color those like a gold color. And then I put them, if I can't find a place for them in the movie, I tuck them aside and in my GM basket.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And then at the end of the film, I'll go, oh, God, can I squeeze these in somewhere? And if I can't squeeze them in, one time I was like, why don't I just sprinkle them throughout the credits? So now I always love doing that. What I'll do is I'll get my little GMs, and that moment with Len Val Logan, who's part of the UAP task force, is sprinkled in the credits at the end. That's awesome.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
If you do watch the program, watch it all the way through to the end because there's lots of cool stuff sprinkled throughout the credits.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Yeah, no, I welcome it. I mean, you know, within reason. Yeah, for sure. I don't want people to panic.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I would have to say that. If you watch the program and you still think there's nothing to it, I think that's going to be nearly impossible.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Just because of the bipartisan effort, the congressional hearings, people testifying under oath, some of the video photographic cases and radar. And look, you know, the DOD is, you know, begrudgingly admitting that the phenomenon's real. They're not lying anymore about that. Yeah, yeah. Right? I mean, they're trying to control how this stuff comes out, but it's happening. It's coming out, okay?
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
So one can speculate all day long as to where it's coming from and what its objective or agenda. That's up for speculation. But the phenomenon is real, and it defies a conventional explanation.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And he was suddenly into this whole UFO thing. And I was like, oh, God, Rene, man. Like, I remember thinking I'm going to have to cut my best friend loose. Like, this is really unfortunate, you know. And he was talking about Roswell and UFO crash and alien bodies. And I honestly thought he'd lost his mind. I mean, I really did.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
What year was this, roughly? 90, probably 93. Yeah. Maybe 94, 93. You were looked at as crazy back then for it. Oh, absolutely. And so anyway, I was apprenticing at a video production company, and I went into work, and I was telling my buddy Richard Van Sickle about it, and I had really looked up to. He was 10 years my senior and really professional, great guy.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And I was like, oh, man, my really good friend has suddenly gone off on the deep end. He's into UFOs and aliens and spaceships that crashed and Roswell and whatever. My buddy Richard looks at me, he goes, you didn't know about Roswell? I was like, how would I know about Roswell? No, I don't know about Roswell. How would I know about Roswell?
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
He goes, well, the government actually admitted that they did recover a fly. Really? He goes, yeah, check it out. Like, they actually admitted it. And then the very people that were involved in the cover-up came forward on camera before they died saying it was original, the original press release was correct. So I was like, oh my gosh. I started looking into it.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Went to a few conferences, met a few military guys, and I was like, God, maybe there's something going on here. And so I told my dad, I was like, you know, I was doing video production at the time, and I was doing PSAs and things of that sort. And I was like, I think I'm going to do a documentary on UFOs. And my dad was like, oh, my God, please, son, don't do that.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Like, there's... He literally said that it's a dead-end street. There's nothing to it. You're wasting your life. Please. Not only did he... was begging me, and he had all of my other members, because I was born in England, of the family, writing me letters, saying, your dad is very concerned about you. Oh, you were getting, like, English letters about it. Don't do it.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
My grandmother used to call me a rapscallion, you know.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Yeah, she was hilarious. So my family's like, please reconsider. Your dad's very concerned. And I just was like, well, you know, of course, being a Taurus, I'm a bit stubborn. And I just went all in. And I think it took me about four years. And I was at the end of it. I was like, I'm never doing another UFO doc ever again. But I sold it to Discovery Channel. It aired on Learning Channel.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And I kind of got the last laugh. And then I got invited to Russia, because I'd been, I got invited to Russia, which I ended up going in the late 90s and meeting with generals and cosmonaut Pavel Popovich. And then I got an invitation to meet with Mercury astronaut Gordon Cooper, because I'd been trying to get interviews with him on my first doc.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And then all of a sudden I was like, well, I guess I'm doing another doc, because I got all these amazing interviews and I went to Russia and stuff. And so I did another one, and that one was called Out of the Blue. And that took me five years. Okay. And I finished that and I said, never again. I remember my partner was in a fetal position crying and his wife's like, you're killing my husband.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
What was wrong with him? We're pushing each other so hard, so hard to do a good doc, right? It's like you just get to the end and you're, I mean, I'd been there myself. I just, you're broken. Yeah. And so I was like, well, I guess the documentary is done because I didn't really feel like it was where it needed to be. But we were all out of steam. We were out of money.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I pushed my partner to the brink of death.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
and his wife was screaming at me like you know so I was like all right so then we sold that to NBC Universal and it aired as a two-hour special on the sci-fi channel and then three years later I owned the rights again and I was like I'm gonna I'm gonna pick this back up and make it to the film I always wanted it to be so I spent a couple more years on Out of the Blue and I released that as a director's cut and in the process of that I broke a big story with the governor of Arizona Fife Simonton who there's a very famous Phoenix Lights case that happened in
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
February, sorry, March 13th, 1997. And the governor poo-pooed it at the time. And then 10 years later, I met up with him. It's like, why did you poo-poo it? You had one of your aides dressed up as an alien. He came and mocked the whole thing and all your constituents were upset and He admitted that he saw it, too. So then that happened and exploded in the headlines. What did he see?
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Oh, he saw the lights. Oh, he saw a craft. He saw a big, all-connected boomerang shape. He said it must have been a mile from wingtip to wingtip across because it was so big. Why did he poo-poo it, though? He said just well, he said that there was overwhelming fear, like people were just freaking out. He contacted the local Air Force base, Luke Air Force base.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
He contacted the Pentagon and they all shrugged their shoulders, according to him, and said, we don't know what the hell that thing was. What? So anyway, I broke that story, and then I got... I hope you don't mind I'm giving you a longer version of this. No, no, I like it, dude. Yeah, yeah. So I broke that story, and it catapulted me into the limelight.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I mean, we were on all the talk shows, Larry King Live, with the governor, and I thought, gosh... this would be a really good time to capitalize on this attention because media coverage is very fleeting and it only happens, you're lucky if it happens once in a lifetime. So I was like, hey, let me capitalize on this and let me do an event at the National Press Club
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And so I did with my friend Leslie Kane, and it was 2007, and we flew in 14 military and government officials from seven countries and held an event at the National Press Club. And I shot the whole thing on HD, and then I ended up making a movie about that, which I sold to A&E called I Know What I Saw, and it was a two-hour History Channel special. So then I was just like, I'm done with UFOs.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I'm done. One of the things I've learned is never say never because I've said that so many times in the past. But then I stepped away from it for a little while. Excuse me. I did a film on the BP oil spill in 2010. Has that ever gotten cleaned up?
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I don't know if they're going to realize the long-term environmental impacts because they were pumping Corexit 5,000 feet down into the oil, trying to keep it from surfacing because they get fined for all the surface oil. Oh, really? So they hide it with the Corexit, which they'd never done subsea injection before, so they did that. And just blanket it down on the bottom.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Yes, it dropped today. Dude, that's crazy. Dropping right now.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
They dumped more corrections into the Gulf ever before, more than they'd ever done anywhere. It was a huge lab test in the Gulf. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
What point did you turn it off? When we got to that, the NASA conference or before?
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I won't give a gas. So I got it. Okay, there's only two times where I've almost been killed. I've been threatened to be killed in all my filmmaking years. One of them was when I did the BP oil spill film.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
There was a fisherman, he was head of fisheries for a number of different states, and he met with me secretly and he was giving me photographs of the fish impact that it was having on these species from the crexit and the oil. They had like cysts and boils and oh, just disgusting. He gave me these photographs and he goes, You reveal my identity, boy, I will hunt you down and slit your throat.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Do we have an understanding? I said, yes, sir, we do. He wasn't kidding. He was like, he goes, because I run the fisheries, I'm shooting myself in the foot along with a lot of other people, but I can't in good conscience let the people eat this stuff not knowing what's going on, like turn a big lab experiment. The other time I almost got shot in the face is when I was making Moment of Contact.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I don't know if you ever saw that film. It's about a UFO crash in Brazil. I was there with my buddy Marco Leal for like,
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
12 years on and off and i made a film called moment of contact it was released in 2022 yeah late 2022 and uh we tracked down a guy who'd been hiding for 26 years who allegedly was driving the car during the second capture of a live alien i know it sounds nuts i'm with you well no no explain that i don't know what you're talking about It was a UFO crash that took place in 1996 in Varginha, Brazil.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I had been looking into it for 12 years. I didn't believe it when I first heard about it. In fact, I was making my first UFO documentary, actually my second UFO documentary out of the blue when I heard about the crash. It happened in 96. I was making it in like 99, 2000 is when I started. I heard about it, but I was like, that's impossible.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
They don't have a UFO crash and live aliens walking through the town. No way. So I took 10 years before I even, like almost 10 years before I would even, actually it was over 10 years before I would even look into it. And then I ended up spending about 12 years. But in any case. A UFO was spotted in trouble. It was a cylindrical shape object, like a cigar. It was like an aluminum kind of shape.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
No wings, no visible means of propulsion. It had, according to the witnesses that I interviewed, and they're all on camera, it had a gash in the back of it and it had sort of a white...
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
vapor coming out the backside and it was definitely in trouble because all the people who claimed to have seen it said it was just it was struggling to stay in the air and then eventually crashed two days later in the town of Virginia just a few miles away people reported these strange creatures and and then there were two according to the authorities and military people that information had leaked out and the researchers locally two or three of the creatures were captured and
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And the second capture was involving a police officer by the name of Marco Sherez. And the driver of that car, Ed, oh, sorry, Lopes, Eric Lopes. And Eric Sherez died within a couple of weeks of touching the creature. He manhandled it and took it to the local hospital. He got a weird infection and then died. Damn, dude, really? Yeah, it's true. Hey, no alien music. Sorry.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
So so so the only other living witness to that second capture was was the driver, Eric Lopes, who's also a police officer.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Yeah, he was actually on duty that night and they were told him be on the lookout for some something strange, some real strange. They didn't say live aliens or anything like that. They just be on the lookout. We're looking for something. So he calls his buddy, Marco, who was actually off that night, Marco Cherise. And he's like, hey, I got this weird assignment tonight.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
there's a there there yeah so it's like and so you know just tell us a little bit about the documentary how did you get into all that and like what did you what kind of like launched you into identifying uh the uaps now not ufos yeah well yeah so yeah ufos unidentified flying objects and it went to uap unidentified aerial phenomenon and then it because they're coming in and out of the oceans as well they changed it to unidentified anomalous phenomenon that's where we're at right now
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Like they're saying there's something weird, something weird on the loose or I don't know. You want to come with me? So they team up. He jumps in the car. Off they go. They see it. It ran across the road in front of them, slammed the brakes on. Marco jumps out of the car, grabs the thing, puts it in the back of the car, takes it to Humanitas Hospital.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
It was brown. You could look it up. Varginha creature. It had a big head, big red eyes. It had brown, oily skin, frail, weak, struggling, suffering, all the witnesses said. And then Marco Chirisi had this like oily, greasy, he was like rubbing his body down with rubbing alcohol afterwards. And then he got this infection. We interviewed the doctors that worked on him.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
He died and they couldn't explain it. They were like, they'd never seen anything like that bacteria ever. Somehow his body just had no defense against it and he died. So the only living witness to that incident, that particular capture is Eric Lopes.