James Fox
Appearances
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
so the driver yes so i got in touch with the with the with the mayor i they actually interviewed the mayor of the town this guy uh verge verge and um and he's like hey is there anything i can do to help you guys i believe this happened i want to get the story out i think the world needs to know i was like yeah there's something you could do could you help me locate this guy eric lopes he's been mia for 26 years and he was apparently driving the car so we go to his house
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Really spooky, right? The guy's off the beaten path, get to his house, and... Oh, you got... Yeah, that's the creature. That's it.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Yep, that was witnessed in broad daylight by three girls, Valkyria, Liliani, and Katya. Two of them are sisters. Broad daylight. They got within 10 feet of that creature in broad daylight. Damn. Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
So anyway, we get to Eric Lopes' house, and he... I don't speak Portuguese, but he was, like, apparently telling everyone, you know, get the hell out of there, or he's going to start spraying bullets.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And he said it, like, three or four times, and then I looked over at the guy, the translator, and he looked at me, and he was just like this. Eric Lopes was looking out the window right above me, and I was looking at his eyes going, God, that guy's seen something. I don't know. Man. He had looked like he was so burdened with... with something. You see it in his eyes.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I remember I'd never looked into someone's eyes that had that profound, like he was just burdened with something really intense. Did he look like afraid or he just looked kind of like just distant? He looked like he'd been shouldering something so profound, so deep, so deeply, profoundly disturbing, and that he couldn't share it with anybody. That's what it looked like.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
But anyway, I was confused. But anyway, that was a second time. Only, yeah, two times where I actually was, like, threatened.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Yeah, threatened to be shot. That's crazy. So you didn't even get to talk to the guy. He wouldn't talk. Well, funny enough, it's really funny, actually, because he said, and you can see it in the movie, when we rolled up, he's like, if you're here to talk about the E.T., Eric won't talk. And he referred to himself in the third person, which is weird. And then he was like, Eric's not here.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And then it's like, I'm going to start shooting right now. Bullets out of here. And I kept asking, I didn't know what he was saying. So I kept trying to get a question in like to my translator and the translator could looking at me like, dude, just chill, you know? And then finally he looked at me like, it's time to go like this, that look, you don't need to speak any language to get that look.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
It was like, we're leaving now, period. Yeah. And I was like, shit, what's going on? Anyway, so yeah, that was... What do you think happened to him?
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Just imagine for a moment if he really was the driver that was involved in the capture of a live alien. I'm not saying believe it or unbelieve it, but if it did happen and then your best friend dies...
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
yeah and now the family and the world wants to know what happened you can't talk and if because your life has been threatened right yeah so you have to shoulder that burden for 26 years right yeah so if it happened you can imagine how disturbing that was and you know he's military intelligence so you know he's armed to the teeth i'm sure and i would talk to some other fellow brazilian ufo researchers uber de jaro rodriguez this guy pacaccini
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And he was like, oh, yeah, back in 26 years ago, we wouldn't go near air globes. I was like, why not? He goes, everybody knew that guy was packing. He was going to open fire. I was like, well, now you guys tell me. Jesus Christ, I went to the guy's house. I probably almost got shot in the face. That would have sucked so bad.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
So anyway, so coming off the heels of that. I, you know, because I did a film called The Phenomenon, right, which covers the phenomenon from the 40s up to relatively modern day, 2017, 2020, whatever. Yeah. And then I naturally, the natural progression would have been to go on from The Phenomenon to the program, which is out now. But I had unfinished business with this alleged UFO crash case.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And so I went back to Brazil like a fifth time, and I filmed Moment of Contact, right? And at the very end of it all, and I totally believed it. In fact, I remember taking one of the audio guys, he lived in Rio de Janeiro, and this guy Guy, and he goes, Oh, yeah, we heard about that story back 26 years ago. Nobody believes it. It's like, you know, kind of like Roswell, you know? For sure, yeah.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Then I took him on all the shoots, and he was like, holy shit, this happened, you know? And I said, yeah, I wouldn't waste 12 years of my time if I didn't. Yeah. So at the last week or so of filming in Brazil, a flight control officer with the Brazilian military, because flight control, fire department, police, they're all connected to the military, said,
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
So I'm like, now I'm out of the race. You know, and UFOs had a bit of baggage. There was always sort of that knee jerk reaction when you mentioned UFO. So I think they wanted to kind of, you know, steer away from that. Yeah, get into the UAP stuff. And it's really funny. I think it was today or it was last night. Senator Schumer, Senate Majority Leader Schumer, is being hammered in the press.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
He came forward and said, yeah, I saw the United States Air Force plane come in and land in Campinas. Wait, what did you say, what? So it was confirmed the United States Air Force was involved with this UFO crash case. Okay. That the United States Air Force flew in to a place called Campinas. And then from Campinas, I know, right? I know, Virginia and Campinas, right?
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
It doesn't get any better than that.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Sorry. I thought my mind was just making tricks. I thought you might have known about this case. I'm sorry. No, Camp Penis. Joe Rogan talked about it for a year. Virginia Camp Penis. Yeah. I wish I knew. I know. I know. So there was an alien invasion.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I know, you can't make this stuff up. I know. Okay, so what happened? So the last time I was there after 12 years of filming on and off, a guy comes forward and he was with flight control with the Brazilian government, military. And he's like, yeah, I was on duty that night and I saw, this is January 20th, 1996, and I saw USAF come in. And I was like, USAF? Oh, United States Air Force, USAF.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Flight come in and didn't have authorization to land. So he told some folks, like, I can't let this guy land. You need authorization. And then a higher-up stepped in the room and said, let him land. So he goes, yeah, this thing landed. Then two helicopters, one or two helicopters, were unloaded, and they were flown to Virginia.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
They picked up some stuff, came back to the Campinas, loaded it on the plane, and the United States Air Force plane, back to the United States. Yeah. So that was when I became aware of the fact that, wow, there probably is a crash retrieval program going on. So when I started doing the program... the film that's out now, it was almost personal for me, right? Because I had no idea.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Like I was on Joe Rogan talking about Moment of Contact in April of 2023. Well, in July of 2023, the highest level intel officer, David Grush, testified under oath to a bipartisan group of lawmakers that there is a crash retrieval program and he found it. Damn. Yeah. So the program kind of covers...
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
This unprecedented push for transparency on what the intel agencies really know about the phenomenon, right?
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
It's like, you better tell the truth. You got me. So people think that the government suddenly had an epiphany and decided to be more transparent on the UFO phenomenon. That's not what happened.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I don't know if you've seen it yet or not. And the guy's like, you don't know what it is. Therefore, it's a UAP. You wrote the legislation. Don't you remember? He's like, well, we don't know what they are. Therefore, it's a UAP.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Yeah, right. What happened was there were a couple of intel insiders, Christopher Mellon being one of them, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, along with Lou Elizondo and a handful of others, just a small handful, that protested because of excessive secrecy.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
They found a loophole and walked some evidence from the Pentagon out on the front page of the New York Times, and that happened in December of 2017. So they can't put the genie back in the bottle, right? The more people keep coming forward now, more people coming forward. And then Congress started getting wind.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I literally had an Air Force colonel text me, and he goes, so what's up with the promotion? You managed to get a full-on alien invasion on the release of your film. How did you coordinate that?
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
They were having behind-doors meetings with some of these witnesses, and they were like, ooh, there's a there there. Wow. Then they had the first congressional hearing by a guy named Andre Carson, Congressman Andre Carson. That was 2022. They had a hint of a crash retrieval program that was revealed through a memo, the Davis-Wilson memo.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Then they had congressional hearings in July of 2023, and that's when it was all out. David Grush said, yeah, we have a crash retrieval program. And then recently, just a month ago, we had more congressional hearings, which I attended. And Lou Elizondo, who ran AATIP or was one of the members on AATIP, he confessed under oath that there is a crash retrieval program.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Well, if that's the case, that would be an even bigger story because somebody has kept it secret for over 80 years. Wow, okay, that's cool. Yeah, no, I hear you. These things exhibit a technology that's just so beyond anything that we have in our arsenal. And what are the examples of the technology that we can't really wrap our heads around? So you have objects that can hover.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
without displaying any kind of visible means of propulsion. They can accelerate from a standstill to out of sight in the blink of an eye. Right angle turns at high speeds. No sonic boom, no air disturbance. Very little noise. Sometimes you'll hear a slight buzzing or humming noise, but that's it, within certain proximity, some of the witnesses. And they fly rings around our fastest jets.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I mean, like, they make a mockery of our fastest jets. I mean, you could just talk to David Fravor about that, 2003 off the coast of San Diego. So... And I think the big secret is they don't know what it is. I mean, they know it's engineered, right? They know it's technological, but there's a psychic component to it as well.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
So it would be very difficult for any governing body to come forward and say, Hey, ladies and gentlemen, my fellow Americans, it has been brought to our attention that there are structured craft of unknown origin whizzing around with impunity.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
They fly rings around our fastest jets, so we don't know who they are, where they come from, and if they turn out to be hostile, we have no visible means of defense against them. Thank you and good night. Yeah, true. Everyone would be like, fuck this. Everyone would be like, no!
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
That's why right now, when they don't know what these drones are, they're calling them drones because drones are a little less scary than UAP, right? So they're calling them drones, but they're saying, you have nothing to fear, and yet we don't know what the hell they are. So that's a little strange because how could you say what something isn't when you don't know what it is? Yeah, true.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
They want to say drones because UAP has people freaking out. Charged, yeah. And it's so funny, too, because they're going... Well, we have absolutely no idea what it is, but everyone's fine. Everything's safe. There's nothing to worry about here. Sure. So there are just like tons of drones popping up and everyone's freaking out because nobody knows whose they are.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I initially, you know, on first look, I was like, oh, it sounds, you know, conventional because, you know, UAP demonstrated technology that sort of light years advancement anything we have. But then I started doing a little deeper dive, and I'm hearing reports that they're evading the military, radar, FLIR. They go dark. Oh, really? They have a loiter time of hours and hours and hours.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I'll give you an example. And there's examples like this that go on for decades. So David Fravor, the encounter that took place, it's now commonly referred to as the Nimitz case. It was off the coast of San Diego in 2003. And he chased this tic-tac-looking object.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
and it had no wings, no propulsion, it could hover, it was hovering right over the ocean, he could see it down below, there was two military jets that saw it, four people that got visual, and that picked up on the radar, and they chased after it, and as they were close, so the plane, the object was down just above the ocean surface, and it was darting around kind of like this,
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And Fravor said he was going to get a closer look at it at whatever altitude he was. So he started spiraling down to get a closer look at it. And the tic-tac object starts spiraling up. So it was mimicking his movement but backwards. So he's spiraling down. It's spiraling up. And then he decides to kind of do a maneuver and intercept it, like cut it off. He gets right at it.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
He goes, this is about a quarter of a mile. And he goes, that sounds kind of far away or half a mile, whatever it is. But in flight, it's, it's very close. Yeah. No rivets, no seams. Like what is this thing? And then he said, it took off. Like you just impossible like this. It performed, it did something that's just not even possible.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And then it ended up at their, it's a strategic Latin launch that's like predetermined before. I'm trying to think of the technical name they use for that. But in any case, it just showed up right at that exact tactical spot at their Latin launch.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
It's like, and he said he had like the hair on the back of his neck stand up straight because that was like it basically like I'm five steps ahead of you guys.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I even know where your Latin launch is. Nice, man. Yeah. So and again, there's I could give you example after example. For sure. Yeah. No, that makes sense. That's pretty crazy. Yeah.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
But that's OK. I mean, you know, reality is reality. It's been going on for a long time. It doesn't seem to be here to hurt us because others might argue with me on that point. But for the most part, seems to be a fairly benign. I mean, there are other aspects of the phenomenon that one might argue is a little scary, but whatever. That's a whole nother.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I would argue... Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Then the Coast Guard reported being followed over the ocean. I mean, just something weird is going on. I don't know exactly what it is or who's behind it, but people are scratching their heads.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Oh, yeah, yeah. No, it's really funny actually. To your point... I interviewed this guy, Robert Salas, who was a launch control officer during the height of the Cold War. And I think he was in charge of Minuteman missiles, but they were nuclear arms.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And I'm not sure if it was Minot or anyways, one of these bases housing nuclear weapons and objects were seen over the base, documented over the base. And then all of their vast majority of nuclear weapons went into a no-go situation. They were just shut off and they're all independently controlled. I report about it in my film, The Phenomenon. And I talked to Salas about this and it was funny.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I could see why he was a launch control officer because he's got this demeanor where he's just like super mellow and calm and just measured and just doesn't, you know, he's like, well, James, the message I got from that is almost like taking matches out of the hands of a baby. Maybe you shouldn't be playing with these things. Yeah, and I was like, wow, never thought of it that way.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I never heard of that, so they all just deactivated. Yeah, oh, there's 50 cases in my film, The Phenomenon. I literally did a deep dive in there with the help of this guy, Robert Asins, who wrote the book on it. And yeah, you'll hear officer after officer after officer about incursions over military bases. They seem to be like some people would put it like a moth to a flame.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Like anytime there's nukes around, the phenomenon kind of just comes around to check it out. Wow. Damn, that's crazy. Yeah, Senator Harry Reid, former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, gave me an interview. I think it was like 2019. Yeah. And he was the one that started this, one of the key people that started this UFO investigation, ATIP, Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Before that, it was OSAP. But in any case, I asked him. It went on for 10 years. It was never meant to go public. But again, people had protested from the inside from excessive secrecy and walked some evidence out of the Pentagon onto the front page of the New York Times. And it went on for 10 years. It was found out in like 27 at the end of 2017.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
It started around 20, sorry, 2008, 2007, something like that. And I said, what was some of the more astonishing aspects of the phenomenon that you learned during that 10 year Pentagon investigation? And he goes right away, just like that. He goes, they're interested in our nukes. And I was like, Oh, Whoa. I'd heard about that a little bit.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
So we did a whole segment on it within the phenomenon of, of yeah. Wow. That's pretty crazy. Yeah. And there are a lot of incursions going on, military bases all over the place still. So I don't know. I think it's a far more complex issue than one might, you know, gather. Yeah, true. It doesn't have like one easy explanation. I've been doing this 30 years and I don't know what the hell's going on.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I thought it would have a unifying effect on all of humanity, quite honestly. I mean, if there's an outside force. I mean, Reagan had talked about it, but he used it more of a threat. But if you have something that's – I think it would unify us. Yeah. Excuse me. I remember interviewing Apollo astronaut Edgar Mitchell. And he was Apollo 14, sixth man to walk on the moon.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And he said on the way to the moon, he was so caught up in all the data, and he might as well have been a simulator. But coming back... He got to kind of really just look at the earth and look at what he, and really feel what he was doing. He was hurling through this little tin can through the vastness of space and darkness. And he goes, you don't know dark until you've been into space.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Like it's just, it's a vacuum out there. And he goes, I looked at earth and I watched it slowly getting bigger and bigger and all those invisible lines. I didn't see any territories. And I was imagining all the wars that were taking place and all this. And he really felt, not just saw, but felt like humankind as one race, one people kind of thing.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And I think that this reality will help accelerate that, in my opinion.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I don't think they have control of it. I really don't.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Someone who's investigated all around the world for 30 years. There's no way. I don't think that we're... No, I think that they're doing what they're doing.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I mean, if you look at the program, you'll see... refreshingly, you'll see a bipartisan effort. You'll see Democrats and Republicans working together, being civil, and like really trying to get to the bottom of it. And I love that.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
About that. It's uniting Congress and our elected officials, no question about it. You're looking at AOC with Tim Burchett being really kind to each other and calling each other colleagues. And it's very, yeah, I love that. I think we need more of it.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Fucking. Yeah. Right. Nothing. They should send all politicians into space. They should be awesome. Or just give them a ton of LSD.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I've heard that theory. And one of the things that I'm coming to terms with is that all options are on the table as far as I'm concerned. I mean, I've heard interdimensional. I've heard future, coming back from the future. I've heard interplanetary. I've heard they're right here all along, down in our oceans and in specific locations around the world. And I can't say no to any of them.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I have to keep all options on the table. And at one point, jokingly, I said, I'm a huge universe. I said, you know, maybe it's all of the above. Maybe it's not just one race. Maybe it's a number of different things. It's one of the reasons why I showed some incredible Hubble telescope photography from space and galaxies. And one photograph in particular from NASA is...
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
They look like almost stars, there's so many of them, but then you realize they're not stars. You're looking at galaxies, and each one of those galaxies has like 400 billion stars, right? And you're looking at all these pinpoints of light, and those are all galaxies, and you're thinking, you've got to be kidding me. That's just incomprehensibly big, right?
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
It's like, and we're just like, there's more stars... There's 10,000 times more stars than there are grains of sand on all the beaches in the world. It's like 10,000 times. So you can't even wrap your head around it. And it's getting bigger by the day. And now they're talking about multiverses and stuff. It's like God only knows, man. Sometimes it's like my mind hurts thinking about it.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I don't know, man. Sometimes when I think about the vastness and how it keeps going on, and if it's not infinite... Then where does it stop?
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I was freaking out at the Uber last night.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Yeah, well, I mean, so how that came about... I'll back up a little bit and tell you how I got into it. And I had a father who was a journalist. He was a quadriplegic with MS. And so at a very early age, I was traveling around the world with him because I was his legs. I was his chauffeur. I was his nurse, his secretary. You know, we just traveled together. He was a mainstream journalist.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Feels good. I remember asking Edgar Mitchell, it was really funny because we're in the middle of talking about UFOs and he like, Kind of grew up in Roswell, excuse me, the surrounding areas. And so he knew all the ranchers from back in the late 40s, early 50s, actually even earlier than that.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And I was like, God, I'm so sorry to ask this question of you because I'm sure you get asked this all the time. What was it like to go to the moon? And he's like, well, James, if you'd like, I'll tell you. And so I got such a detailed description of what it was like right down to when they landed on the lunar surface. They were hearing these macro meteorite
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
meteorites pelting the skin of their craft and they've been up basically for three days and nasa's like you guys need to go to sleep and they were like oh no man i want to which they tried to go to sleep and then they were too excited they were like told nasa we're we're overriding your recommendations we're gonna we're putting our suits on we're going
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
They were on the lunar surface and he said, they put their suits on and they went out there and he's walking around the lunar surface and he says he sees off in the distance this blue marble. I love sharing this story because it's so crazy. This blue marble suddenly rise. It was an earth rise from the moon.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And he said, there it was, this oasis of life and suspended in the darkness of space, the vacuum of space, such a hostile environment around it, right?
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
and there it rose and he had these big gloves on and he put up one hand and he blocked out the entire earth right from the lunar surface uh-huh he's like all that i know all that i've learned all the borders all the people and i'm blocking it out with one hand damn yeah isn't that cool wait so the earth rises when you're on the moon yeah it was earth rise yeah earth rise yeah that's so crazy that's so cool
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Yeah, and it was like a blue marble. Like you said, suspended in a vastness. He goes, you don't understand the vacuum of space until you've been there. Like, it's dark, it's hostile, and there's this oasis, this life oasis.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
All right. Yeah. That's cool. You know, I wonder sometimes if we just like, I used to think back when I first started this, cause I was like, I would go into the field. I wouldn't just read books or go to conferences. I would actually go to locations and meet with witnesses on UFO sightings all over the place. And so I knew the phenomenon was real.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
We interviewed people like Stephen Hawking and race car legend Dan Gurney and just did a lot of cool stuff together. And so I had a sneak preview into journalism pretty early on in my life through my dad.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I mean, unless everybody I was talking to, including pilots and FAA officials and some civilians and governors all line, I was like, well, maybe, you know, it's such a big universe, you know, the galaxy, whatever, Milky Way. We probably just get periodic visitation for whatever reason. The governments decide to cover it up. That's what I thought.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
But now, all these years later, I'm like, oh, my gosh. Now I feel like I know less today than I did when I started. Yeah. Because like you said, like, could it be time travelers? Yes, it could. Could it be interdimensional? Yes, it could. Could it be interplanetary? Sure could. Why not? Yeah. Yeah.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
He's not doing the UAP anymore. He just doesn't even want to talk about it. He learned certain things and he's like, we're done. I'm not doing this. And it's funny, actually, because one of the things that Senator Harry Reid said to me was that they were just trying to get some of these senators to look at the data, look at the evidence. And they were so dismissive of they said it's demonic.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And I'm not going to engage with that. So because he couldn't explain it or for whatever reason, it was just written off. So there's that wing of the elected officials that have looked at it that way. I don't know if they're still looking at it that way, but they were like, it's demonic and we don't want anything to do with it. I'm not even going to look at it. Damn. That's what he told me. Yeah.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And even people within the Pentagon saying that.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
You know, one of the people in the part of the UAP task force, I'm not sure what year he was involved, but his name is Len Val Logan. Great guy. And he goes, you know, it's crazy. He goes, we pick up a Russian make or something on the radar and it's all hands on deck. And yet when it doesn't have any markings on it, we can't identify it. It's like nothing to see here, folks.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
It's like, it's like, he's like, well, how could that be? What? Like. Like, if it had a Russian flag or a Chinese flag, it would be all hands on deck. But because it doesn't have that, it's flying rings around, we can't stop it, control it, whatever. It's like, nothing to see here, folks. Yeah. Oh, that's kind of nuts. That's what he said, yeah.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And then I had a high school buddy of mine that when we graduated, we were 18 and we flew to Europe and we bought a used car, Rene Harris, and we bought a used car, drove from London down to Portugal. We were really close, man. We were like brothers. And then we parted ways for like a year or two as things done. He had different things going on, whatever. And then I, you know, reunited with him.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
He's like, how can that be? I was like, it's a great quote. It's one of the quotes in the credit. I always like to, like when I'm editing a film, I'll get a lot of what are called GMs or golden moments. And I always paint those, I color those like a gold color. And then I put them, if I can't find a place for them in the movie, I tuck them aside and in my GM basket.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And then at the end of the film, I'll go, oh, God, can I squeeze these in somewhere? And if I can't squeeze them in, one time I was like, why don't I just sprinkle them throughout the credits? So now I always love doing that. What I'll do is I'll get my little GMs, and that moment with Len Val Logan, who's part of the UAP task force, is sprinkled in the credits at the end. That's awesome.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
If you do watch the program, watch it all the way through to the end because there's lots of cool stuff sprinkled throughout the credits.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Yeah, no, I welcome it. I mean, you know, within reason. Yeah, for sure. I don't want people to panic.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I would have to say that. If you watch the program and you still think there's nothing to it, I think that's going to be nearly impossible.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Just because of the bipartisan effort, the congressional hearings, people testifying under oath, some of the video photographic cases and radar. And look, you know, the DOD is, you know, begrudgingly admitting that the phenomenon's real. They're not lying anymore about that. Yeah, yeah. Right? I mean, they're trying to control how this stuff comes out, but it's happening. It's coming out, okay?
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
So one can speculate all day long as to where it's coming from and what its objective or agenda. That's up for speculation. But the phenomenon is real, and it defies a conventional explanation.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And he was suddenly into this whole UFO thing. And I was like, oh, God, Rene, man. Like, I remember thinking I'm going to have to cut my best friend loose. Like, this is really unfortunate, you know. And he was talking about Roswell and UFO crash and alien bodies. And I honestly thought he'd lost his mind. I mean, I really did.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
What year was this, roughly? 90, probably 93. Yeah. Maybe 94, 93. You were looked at as crazy back then for it. Oh, absolutely. And so anyway, I was apprenticing at a video production company, and I went into work, and I was telling my buddy Richard Van Sickle about it, and I had really looked up to. He was 10 years my senior and really professional, great guy.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And I was like, oh, man, my really good friend has suddenly gone off on the deep end. He's into UFOs and aliens and spaceships that crashed and Roswell and whatever. My buddy Richard looks at me, he goes, you didn't know about Roswell? I was like, how would I know about Roswell? No, I don't know about Roswell. How would I know about Roswell?
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
He goes, well, the government actually admitted that they did recover a fly. Really? He goes, yeah, check it out. Like, they actually admitted it. And then the very people that were involved in the cover-up came forward on camera before they died saying it was original, the original press release was correct. So I was like, oh my gosh. I started looking into it.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Went to a few conferences, met a few military guys, and I was like, God, maybe there's something going on here. And so I told my dad, I was like, you know, I was doing video production at the time, and I was doing PSAs and things of that sort. And I was like, I think I'm going to do a documentary on UFOs. And my dad was like, oh, my God, please, son, don't do that.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Like, there's... He literally said that it's a dead-end street. There's nothing to it. You're wasting your life. Please. Not only did he... was begging me, and he had all of my other members, because I was born in England, of the family, writing me letters, saying, your dad is very concerned about you. Oh, you were getting, like, English letters about it. Don't do it.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
My grandmother used to call me a rapscallion, you know.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Yeah, she was hilarious. So my family's like, please reconsider. Your dad's very concerned. And I just was like, well, you know, of course, being a Taurus, I'm a bit stubborn. And I just went all in. And I think it took me about four years. And I was at the end of it. I was like, I'm never doing another UFO doc ever again. But I sold it to Discovery Channel. It aired on Learning Channel.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And I kind of got the last laugh. And then I got invited to Russia, because I'd been, I got invited to Russia, which I ended up going in the late 90s and meeting with generals and cosmonaut Pavel Popovich. And then I got an invitation to meet with Mercury astronaut Gordon Cooper, because I'd been trying to get interviews with him on my first doc.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And then all of a sudden I was like, well, I guess I'm doing another doc, because I got all these amazing interviews and I went to Russia and stuff. And so I did another one, and that one was called Out of the Blue. And that took me five years. Okay. And I finished that and I said, never again. I remember my partner was in a fetal position crying and his wife's like, you're killing my husband.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
What was wrong with him? We're pushing each other so hard, so hard to do a good doc, right? It's like you just get to the end and you're, I mean, I'd been there myself. I just, you're broken. Yeah. And so I was like, well, I guess the documentary is done because I didn't really feel like it was where it needed to be. But we were all out of steam. We were out of money.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I pushed my partner to the brink of death.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
and his wife was screaming at me like you know so I was like all right so then we sold that to NBC Universal and it aired as a two-hour special on the sci-fi channel and then three years later I owned the rights again and I was like I'm gonna I'm gonna pick this back up and make it to the film I always wanted it to be so I spent a couple more years on Out of the Blue and I released that as a director's cut and in the process of that I broke a big story with the governor of Arizona Fife Simonton who there's a very famous Phoenix Lights case that happened in
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
February, sorry, March 13th, 1997. And the governor poo-pooed it at the time. And then 10 years later, I met up with him. It's like, why did you poo-poo it? You had one of your aides dressed up as an alien. He came and mocked the whole thing and all your constituents were upset and He admitted that he saw it, too. So then that happened and exploded in the headlines. What did he see?
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Oh, he saw the lights. Oh, he saw a craft. He saw a big, all-connected boomerang shape. He said it must have been a mile from wingtip to wingtip across because it was so big. Why did he poo-poo it, though? He said just well, he said that there was overwhelming fear, like people were just freaking out. He contacted the local Air Force base, Luke Air Force base.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
He contacted the Pentagon and they all shrugged their shoulders, according to him, and said, we don't know what the hell that thing was. What? So anyway, I broke that story, and then I got... I hope you don't mind I'm giving you a longer version of this. No, no, I like it, dude. Yeah, yeah. So I broke that story, and it catapulted me into the limelight.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I mean, we were on all the talk shows, Larry King Live, with the governor, and I thought, gosh... this would be a really good time to capitalize on this attention because media coverage is very fleeting and it only happens, you're lucky if it happens once in a lifetime. So I was like, hey, let me capitalize on this and let me do an event at the National Press Club
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And so I did with my friend Leslie Kane, and it was 2007, and we flew in 14 military and government officials from seven countries and held an event at the National Press Club. And I shot the whole thing on HD, and then I ended up making a movie about that, which I sold to A&E called I Know What I Saw, and it was a two-hour History Channel special. So then I was just like, I'm done with UFOs.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I'm done. One of the things I've learned is never say never because I've said that so many times in the past. But then I stepped away from it for a little while. Excuse me. I did a film on the BP oil spill in 2010. Has that ever gotten cleaned up?
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I don't know if they're going to realize the long-term environmental impacts because they were pumping Corexit 5,000 feet down into the oil, trying to keep it from surfacing because they get fined for all the surface oil. Oh, really? So they hide it with the Corexit, which they'd never done subsea injection before, so they did that. And just blanket it down on the bottom.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Yes, it dropped today. Dude, that's crazy. Dropping right now.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
They dumped more corrections into the Gulf ever before, more than they'd ever done anywhere. It was a huge lab test in the Gulf. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
What point did you turn it off? When we got to that, the NASA conference or before?
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I won't give a gas. So I got it. Okay, there's only two times where I've almost been killed. I've been threatened to be killed in all my filmmaking years. One of them was when I did the BP oil spill film.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
There was a fisherman, he was head of fisheries for a number of different states, and he met with me secretly and he was giving me photographs of the fish impact that it was having on these species from the crexit and the oil. They had like cysts and boils and oh, just disgusting. He gave me these photographs and he goes, You reveal my identity, boy, I will hunt you down and slit your throat.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Do we have an understanding? I said, yes, sir, we do. He wasn't kidding. He was like, he goes, because I run the fisheries, I'm shooting myself in the foot along with a lot of other people, but I can't in good conscience let the people eat this stuff not knowing what's going on, like turn a big lab experiment. The other time I almost got shot in the face is when I was making Moment of Contact.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I don't know if you ever saw that film. It's about a UFO crash in Brazil. I was there with my buddy Marco Leal for like,
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
12 years on and off and i made a film called moment of contact it was released in 2022 yeah late 2022 and uh we tracked down a guy who'd been hiding for 26 years who allegedly was driving the car during the second capture of a live alien i know it sounds nuts i'm with you well no no explain that i don't know what you're talking about It was a UFO crash that took place in 1996 in Varginha, Brazil.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
I had been looking into it for 12 years. I didn't believe it when I first heard about it. In fact, I was making my first UFO documentary, actually my second UFO documentary out of the blue when I heard about the crash. It happened in 96. I was making it in like 99, 2000 is when I started. I heard about it, but I was like, that's impossible.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
They don't have a UFO crash and live aliens walking through the town. No way. So I took 10 years before I even, like almost 10 years before I would even, actually it was over 10 years before I would even look into it. And then I ended up spending about 12 years. But in any case. A UFO was spotted in trouble. It was a cylindrical shape object, like a cigar. It was like an aluminum kind of shape.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
No wings, no visible means of propulsion. It had, according to the witnesses that I interviewed, and they're all on camera, it had a gash in the back of it and it had sort of a white...
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
vapor coming out the backside and it was definitely in trouble because all the people who claimed to have seen it said it was just it was struggling to stay in the air and then eventually crashed two days later in the town of Virginia just a few miles away people reported these strange creatures and and then there were two according to the authorities and military people that information had leaked out and the researchers locally two or three of the creatures were captured and
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
And the second capture was involving a police officer by the name of Marco Sherez. And the driver of that car, Ed, oh, sorry, Lopes, Eric Lopes. And Eric Sherez died within a couple of weeks of touching the creature. He manhandled it and took it to the local hospital. He got a weird infection and then died. Damn, dude, really? Yeah, it's true. Hey, no alien music. Sorry.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
So so so the only other living witness to that second capture was was the driver, Eric Lopes, who's also a police officer.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Yeah, he was actually on duty that night and they were told him be on the lookout for some something strange, some real strange. They didn't say live aliens or anything like that. They just be on the lookout. We're looking for something. So he calls his buddy, Marco, who was actually off that night, Marco Cherise. And he's like, hey, I got this weird assignment tonight.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
there's a there there yeah so it's like and so you know just tell us a little bit about the documentary how did you get into all that and like what did you what kind of like launched you into identifying uh the uaps now not ufos yeah well yeah so yeah ufos unidentified flying objects and it went to uap unidentified aerial phenomenon and then it because they're coming in and out of the oceans as well they changed it to unidentified anomalous phenomenon that's where we're at right now
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Like they're saying there's something weird, something weird on the loose or I don't know. You want to come with me? So they team up. He jumps in the car. Off they go. They see it. It ran across the road in front of them, slammed the brakes on. Marco jumps out of the car, grabs the thing, puts it in the back of the car, takes it to Humanitas Hospital.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
It was brown. You could look it up. Varginha creature. It had a big head, big red eyes. It had brown, oily skin, frail, weak, struggling, suffering, all the witnesses said. And then Marco Chirisi had this like oily, greasy, he was like rubbing his body down with rubbing alcohol afterwards. And then he got this infection. We interviewed the doctors that worked on him.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
He died and they couldn't explain it. They were like, they'd never seen anything like that bacteria ever. Somehow his body just had no defense against it and he died. So the only living witness to that incident, that particular capture is Eric Lopes.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
I mean, people have to understand that feel like maybe these things aren't happening fast enough. Just a couple years ago, they didn't even admit that the phenomenon is real. Now there's people testifying under oath that we have a crash retrieval program. So drip, drip, drip. Things are happening. They're not putting the genie back in the bottle.
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#2246 - James Fox
I think it's a very good question, and here's why I don't believe that. Because I have done 30 years of field research, right? So I've gone to China, I've been to Russia, I've been to Australia and Africa and South America, Canada, Alaska, all across Europe, United States, and I've investigated close encounters of the third kind.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
And I'm going to ask your audience, don't take it from me, but the United States Air Force investigated and categorized Close Encounters of the First, Second, and Third Kind, right? During their official capacity, Project Sign, Project Grudge, Project Blue Book.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
Jacques Vallée has a cameo. Well, there's a guy acting his part. But actually, Dr. Jalen Hynek, who's the scientific advisor to Project Blue Book all those years for the Air Force, actually has a cameo appearance smoking a cigar during the encounter. That's right. That's Dr. Hynek. Smoking a pipe. Smoking a pipe.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
A lot of the cases right down to Richard Dreyfuss' face being burned by the UFO, those came directly out of Project Blue Book Files. Even the description of what the entities looked like, close encounters. Again, close encounters of the third kind. This is the United States Air Force documenting this stuff. And he took it directly out of Project Blue Book Files and made a movie out of it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
And as a little wink, wink, nudge, nudge, he has Dr. Hynek have a cameo appearance in the movie. Most people don't know that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
Yeah. Oh, 100%. I remember I had a buddy of mine who was a pilot over in Europe in the 70s, and he used to come for family dinners, and he was always talking about it, and I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. And then later, we're all in the... Foo fighters. When I started getting interested in UFOs, I was like, Michael... Tell me about that UFO you had, that red orb.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
He goes, it was just like it was in the Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Steven Spielberg's movie. I was like, ah, they took those files directly out of Project Blooming Files and right onto the big screen.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
UFOs are coming out of the ocean. This is really funny. I've been working with this guy. We've been communicating on the signal for a long time. Actually, he was through Proton. He was emailing me stuff about Virginia, the UFO crash in Virginia. But he was anonymous. One day, I was like, he's really knowledgeable. And he was sending me stuff that was really helpful.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
Let me ask you, and this is why I don't think it's a PSYOP thing. I don't think it's a PSYOP either. The reason why I don't is because... Okay, I don't just believe Grush because he testified under oath and he's a high-level intelligence officer. That's very impressive. I believe Grush because his claims align with my personal research in the field.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
Remember, I've investigated crash retrieval programs, crash retrieval cases, right? And so I was – I mean, when I put out Moment of Contact – well, actually, when I went in to put out Moment of Contact, people were going – James, you just dropped one of the biggest, most successful UFO films in terms of transcending the UFO community and penetrating a much broader, more mainstream audience.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
Are you sure you want to put out a documentary that deals with an alleged crash and live aliens walking around the town of Virginia, Brazil? Like, seriously, that's what you want to put out there? You got access to, like, Harry Reid and all these intel insiders, and now you want to do that? You're going to tarnish your reputation. Who gave you that advice? A lot of people did.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
I wish you called me. I was like, James, you can handle it. You probably heard about Moment of Contact and then you thought, oh, this sounds too crazy. No, I didn't.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
I told you. I remember when I was making Moment of Contact and I wasn't done with it yet. Lou Elizondo was like, he's like, James, he called me up. He goes, I need a copy. I was like, the film's not done. I don't care. I need a copy. Give me a rough cut. I don't care. I was like, okay, okay. What's the urgency? And he's like, you don't understand who's watching this right now.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
So I was like, okay, so I'm giving him copies. And I had absolutely no idea ever in 100 million years that I think we're going to be having, months after the release of Moment of Contact, a congressional hearing under oath that was a crash retrieval program. What year did Moment of Contact come out? It came out at the end of 2022.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
Can you imagine Biden? He's been so dismissive of it all. Obama said a lot more about it. You know why?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
He's in orbit right now around Saturn. I was like, really?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
Okay, let's say if Biden, if you're listening right now, you have nothing to lose. You're the president of the United States, sir. Release the hounds. He's never running ever again. Exactly. He's not running for a second term. Come on, we're done. He's already pardoned more human beings than any president ever, other than Carter.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
Listen to the advice at the end of the program by Senator Harry Reid, who's now the late Senator Harry Reid. And I said to him... What advice would you give the president? It could have been any president at the time. And he said, don't be afraid of tarnishing your legacy by addressing this issue head on. And I hope that Biden gets to see that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
Like, you should track down this flight, because if it happened, it was going to this airport, go to this base. And I was like, finally one day, I was like, who are you? And how do you know what you know? He goes, I'm a retired United States Air Force colonel. I was like, oh. And he goes, and I'm also an experiencer. I had an experience back in 1980, blah, blah, blah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
And I really hope that president elect Donald Trump gets to see that people are ready for the truth. They've had enough of the line. I think we're way beyond that at this point.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
Well, now I think he's much more interested because... That's a matter of national security. I mean, people are freaking out. Like, what the hell are we seeing? And they're going, we don't know what they are, but everything's fine. We're totally safe. There's no national security issue here. We don't know what they are, but you're fine. Don't worry about it. You remember...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
What was the Steven Spielberg movie with the shark, the great white shark? Yeah, Jaws. Jaws. Remember when they're like, everything's fine. The mayor. The mayor's like, keep swimming. Yeah, keep swimming. The water's fine. Everyone's saying people are getting bitten halfway.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
All the online conspiracy stuff is crazy, and I get a lot of it because obviously what I do. Of course. And people send me all kinds of stuff. I was like, well, hang on a second. I wish I could put boots on the ground. But no, there's something really weird going on. And the fact that they don't know or they're claiming that they don't know what it is. And here's another really funny thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
He had a UFO encounter. It's in the movie towards the end. But anyway, he texted me yesterday. And he goes... James, I really want you to explain to me how the hell you orchestrated a UAP invasion right around the time your film's coming out. I was like, I'd really like to know how you did that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
I actually, in the program that I did now, and I hope you get a chance to watch it because it's crazy. It's got... Tell people what it is. Okay, so... Basically, I was talking to you about it earlier. Tell people the title, the whole thing. It's called The Program. It's going to be on... It just came out. It's at number one right now. It's on Amazon.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
I know. So it came out yesterday. It's on Amazon. It's on Apple TV. And you can Google the... Because they... Algorithms are just starting to catch up with it on Google right now because everyone's like, I can't find it. Look up the program and then Google James Fox UFO documentary, the program. You will 100% find it. It's being also made available internationally.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
They're working as fast as they can to get it up. It just went up yesterday. It's the most independent film from start to finish that I've ever made. And it covers... What happened, because everybody thinks the government suddenly had this epiphany to decide to be more transparent with the general public. That's not what happened.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
What happened is there were a couple of intel insiders in the Pentagon reviewing some of this classified data, our so-called classified data, and resigned in protest of excessive secrecy. They found a loophole. This is Lou, probably Jay Stratton. I don't know for sure. Definitely Chris Mellon. And they walked these evidence tapes out of the Pentagon through this loophole.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
They bent the rules a little bit and onto the front page of the New York Times, right? So that happened. And it got, it was just, it was exploded. You remember that. And since then, there has been this unprecedented push by a bipartisan group of lawmakers to find out what the intelligence agencies know and when they knew it. And so that started happening behind the scenes, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
So it was 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021. And then in 2022, they were like, we're having a congressional hearing. Congressman Andre Carson, I think he's a Wisconsin, but I'm not positive. He put on, he spearheaded the first open congressional hearing, public open congressional hearing. And in that congressional hearing, they acknowledged the fact that The phenomenon was real.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
It was slowly introduced that we were not getting told the facts. There was a document that came out called the Wilson Davis Memo. And that was about the discovery by a former DIA guy, Admiral Wilson, of the crash retrieval program that was like maybe 20, 20 plus years ago. And none of the names or anything in that document were redacted. I cover that memo in the film. And then...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
2023, another congressional hearing. This time it was David Grush talking about the crash retrieval program. It's been a steady progression. And so a lot has gone on between 2017 and 2024. And that is what this film does is it covers behind the scenes effort, bipartisan group of lawmakers effort to find out what the intelligence agencies really know. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
And people that were, you know, and in one of them, there's an encounter. And I think I remember you hearing about it. Because you wanted to get a hold of David Grush, and so you contacted me. And I actually had a drone up in the air in England. I know. And I had my phone attached to my drone thing, because that's what it was using as a controller for the screen.
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#2246 - James Fox
And I'm flying the drone, and there was a huge windmill. And I saw this windmill, and I was like, oh, that's going to make a beautiful shot for the movie. And it is in the movie. So I'm up there flying it, and the wind, the turbines are going round and round. and round and I can't quite tell how close my drone is to him.
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#2246 - James Fox
So I'm paying really good attention and I'm getting close to these big turbines and all of a sudden my phone's ringing and it's you. I'm like, oh my God, I can't not answer this. I gotta answer. So I answered it while my drone was up there. And we talked briefly and you said, hey, can you get me in touch with David Grush? I said, yeah, I got a guy that can put you in touch with.
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#2246 - James Fox
That was Jason Sands. And I guess you and Jason Sands talked about this alleged encounter in 1994 with this entity, alien, whatever you want to call him, in the desert.
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#2246 - James Fox
So that was a crazy story. Crazy story. But in any case, so when you watch the movie in the program, you'll see the drone flying dangerously close to these. And that's funny, a little inside thing. So it didn't crash. It didn't crash. But I was on the phone with you when it happened. But when you watch the footage, it's like, wow, that's really close. Is that guy public with that story?
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#2246 - James Fox
No, no, yeah. Okay, so here's what happened. This is funny because when I was in Washington, D.C. with Mellon and this gentleman, Jason Sands, I'm using his name now, and Mellon looked at me and he goes... this guy's story is pretty wild. I was like, what do you mean? He goes, really wild. And we're sitting down having dinner and Chris Mellon orders, he orders a, uh, uh, he orders a drink.
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#2246 - James Fox
He had a, um, tequila. So whatever, anyway, and we were all having dinner and, and, uh, Jason Sands starts telling the story about this alleged encounter in 1994. And it's one of the craziest stories. And I've been doing this for 30 years. And this story is nuts. Okay. You remember?
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#2246 - James Fox
Insane. Tell everybody what we said. I will. I'll get to that in one second. Don't tease him. Well, there's a reason why I can discuss it publicly. I know. The reason why I can discuss it publicly is because he was going to appear anonymously in the movie.
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#2246 - James Fox
And I was debating on exactly how to go about doing this because I was torn because you got a statement from an individual, you don't have his identity, but I was in D.C., I put the whole thing down, and I said, look, he was worried about his security. He was a whistleblower. He'd already testified to a number of Senate intel committees, Senate armed service committee.
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#2246 - James Fox
All about the UFO phenomenon? Yeah, about the UFO phenomenon. Part of the UOP task force, they found him and he was giving them information and reporting on things. And so he goes, I'm really fearful. I don't know if this witness protection program is going to be that helpful. I'm just, I'm worried.
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#2246 - James Fox
I said, look, if you're concerned about the story getting out or not getting out, if you want, I'm here. You can come.
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#2246 - James Fox
to our studio we could film you on camera and if anything happens to you it could be released and it could be a little insurance policy for yourself he goes that sounds great let's do it so i did a whole film about it and then i'm periodically posting clips or just still frames and updates on the movie as i'm making it as i do on social media and i posted this one scene and it had a clipboard on in the scene and on that clipboard if you zoomed right in it had his name
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#2246 - James Fox
So I posted the, by accident, I posted the damn thing. And my phone starts blowing up 10 minutes later. You just revealed this guy. What are you doing? Take it down. Take it down. Take it down. Too late. Too late. So it was out there. And he's getting all kinds of heat. So as a result of it, I'm giving the truncated version.
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#2246 - James Fox
He basically had to go through the DOPSER process, which is basically pre-publication of authorization of what you can and cannot say. Excuse me. So he basically could talk about a number of cases that were in the film. We had to blurb out one particular word, which in the movie it's blurred out. We had to do that. That was DOPSER. So it was the winter of 1994.
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#2246 - James Fox
There was a unidentified flying object that was picked up on the base. Old school UFO. Oh, yes, sir. Old school. It was a UFO. It was picked up on the base, and it was recorded by sensory data, and it was picked up on camera. It had camera footage of it from different locations.
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#2246 - James Fox
It looked like a weird shape. It was like an unusual shape, and there's people talking about it. It's in the movie. The film is in the movie? The film footage that leaked from the base is in the movie. So you can see what it looks like flying around? Kind of, yeah. It's kind of blurry in some spots, and yeah, you'll see it. It's in the program. It's in the program, yeah.
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#2246 - James Fox
And then you hear all the voices. I actually had the voices cleaned up. You can hear people talking about, what the hell is it?
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#2246 - James Fox
Just so I could show people what it looks like. Damn. I'm sorry.
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#2246 - James Fox
Maybe Jamie could find it. Yeah, try and find it. It's Nellis Test Range UFO 1994. See if you can find it. People put stuff up so quick. It's long and it's really bad. Yeah, true. Good point.
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#2246 - James Fox
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, and there's other things on there. So in any case, so that video... Bam, there it is. Oh, that's terrible. There's much better footage of it. Yeah, there's much better footage of it. It's in my movie. I had it cleaned up. But yeah, that's it, basically. Can I see it again?
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#2246 - James Fox
Wait, the footage I have is way better than this. Yeah, sometimes it's... So what did it look... Jesus Christ, you know what that looks like, Jamie?
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#2246 - James Fox
Oh, yeah. So it's – anyway, so it's footage, people talking about it. What is it? We don't know. It's unidentified. And it flies around the base. And that leaked. And the names of the witnesses leaked. Three days later – Can you – sorry to keep cutting you off, but can you just say what it did? Like how it moved? It was like it didn't have any visible means of propulsion.
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#2246 - James Fox
Who fucking knows? I was super busy. You know, I had the release of the film going on, and so I was, like, trying to focus on that and getting everything lined up, and it was a huge push. And all these text messages from all around the world are pouring in, like, what the hell's going on with these drones? And I was like, ah, it's probably something conventional.
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#2246 - James Fox
It didn't have any wings. It didn't have propellers. It just looked like an object, a round sort of object, weird shape, almost like a helmet or something with things coming off of it. And it was just moving around the base. How fast? Slowly. Oh, there it is. That's the footage? Okay. That's it. That's exactly it. Yep. It's definitely not a big balloon. No, you hear everybody talking about it.
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#2246 - James Fox
The audio that goes along with it, and I had it cleaned up, they're all talking about it. Nobody knows what it is.
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#2246 - James Fox
Mr. Sands explains all of that in the film, the program. He talks about it. So anyway, so this leaks. People's names, the witnesses leaks. And... Three days later, he's in a convoy. Gesundheit. He's in a convoy, and it's early in the morning, and there's three Jeeps, trucks, Jeeps, in convoy on a dirt road heading out Nellis Test Range.
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#2246 - James Fox
And they see what looks like maybe somebody was involved in a plane crash, somebody that was struggling out in the middle of the desert. It was early in the morning, wintertime, and they're looking at this individual like, oh, my God, is that a person? That individual needs some help. That individual looks like they need some help. They look cold. Their skin had a slight blue tint to it.
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#2246 - James Fox
And they're looking at this gentleman, and they're like, hey, stop the convoy. This person needs help, medical attention. Maybe they had a plane crash, and so we're going to help this person out. And they pull the convoy over, and this individual comes up to the car. Jason Sands gets out the right side of the door, and as he's getting out, somebody in the truck screams, he's got no effing ears.
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#2246 - James Fox
And Jason says, he turns around and he looks at this guy and he had the same kind of uniform that they had had on, but the uniform was just immaculate. Like there wasn't any dust on it, no dust on the boots. And he was thinking to myself, well, that's weird. This guy's got no ears. Is this guy some kind of mutant? And he looks at him and he said his eyes were a lot bigger.
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#2246 - James Fox
It's all illustrated in the movie. And then he starts talking like... He said it was like a snake bite him and he was just paralyzed with fear. It was really scary. What am I looking at? Is this a human? Is this a mutant? Is this an alien? What is this? And he starts talking to him in gibberish. But he said he started to understand telepathically everything this...
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#2246 - James Fox
I'm not going to worry about it right now. I'm just going to keep on focusing what I got at hand here. and then I started getting more information coming in, more information. Then a buddy of mine called me, and he actually went to Brazil with me a couple years ago, and he's like, bro, I live here. I'm seeing these things in the sky. I've seen them seven times now. They're the size of an SUV.
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#2246 - James Fox
Oh my God. I'll tell you the funny story about how I ran into him.
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#2246 - James Fox
person or an entity, being, creature, alien, whatever you want to call it, was saying to him, and he was looking for some kind of metal, and he didn't know tantalium, and Jason's like, you know, I don't know, I don't have any, you mean titanium? He's like, no, tantalium or something.
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#2246 - James Fox
And this conversation goes on for a bit, and then the guy just wanders back off and gets into that little craft that looked very similar to what you just saw there and flies away. And he sort of stair-stepped away, and everybody sort of came out of this comatose state and left.
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#2246 - James Fox
off and off they went and um we have the names of the other military witnesses that were on duty during the encounter the alleged encounter people are going to criticize me because i'm reporting on a close encounter of the third kind but this jason sands says he's willing to do a lie detector test like public he's willing to testify under oath that everything he's saying is true
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#2246 - James Fox
We have a date, we have a location, and we have the names of the other on-duty officers. So what I'm hoping is, despite the level of criticism I'm going to receive for reporting on this, is that other individuals that have more information on this are going to be inclined to come forward.
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#2246 - James Fox
I also met with people in the Senate Armed Service Committee, Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, sorry, in the House, and they said Jason Sands... Is who he says he is. He checks out. He is named previously classified or classified programs. He's identified. The guy's legit. His credentials check out.
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#2246 - James Fox
And so I opted to go ahead and report on it with the hope that more information will come out on it.
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#2246 - James Fox
I was like, well, what do they look like? What do they behave like? He's like, well, they're making noise. I was like, oh, okay, well, that quickly kind of eliminates, you know, something nonconventional in terms of propulsion. But then I got reports of objects that didn't make any noise and that would go silent.
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#2246 - James Fox
He was rubbing himself down with rubbing alcohol, according to his family. He was like, this is greasy stuff on my skin. And he was rubbing himself down and he had to stench, smell grease. And then I interviewed the doctors.
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#2246 - James Fox
There's a couple of, actually going back to Brazil next month, there were a couple of forensic pathologists that are willing to come forward that we're going to cover, kind of update the movie and re-release it. So it's an ongoing investigation.
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#2246 - James Fox
Have you ever had a skunk? Oh, yeah. I had a skunk got my dog once. I...
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#2246 - James Fox
i check out this guy's garbage one time and he's like hey it's in my garage he flipped up the thing and dropped it in there so i like i was like kind of hung over i was we had a party the night before and i went out to the garbage can and i kind of heard like some rustling in the garbage can but i didn't really think anything of it and i like lifted up the thing and then i heard some rustling again so i reached out and i put my head down inside and the skunk just turned and got me right in the face
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#2246 - James Fox
Now, I held my breath, and I closed my eyes at the last second, and it went right through me. It penetrated my molecules. It was so powerful that it was paralyzing. Absolutely paralyzing. Can you imagine? Just the smell, that's their way of defense. It's just this stench that just goes through your body and just paralyzes you. That's crazy. You got it in the mug, huh? I got it right in the face.
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#2246 - James Fox
Probably two weeks. How long was that wait? It was several weeks. Yeah, and I tried the tomato and I tried the baking soda.
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#2246 - James Fox
like a propeller's drones would make, but loud. But they're big, and they have a loiter time of hours. The average drone, like I fly drones for my films, is like, you're lucky to get 25 minutes. These things are there for hours. Yeah, five hours at a time. They go dark when they're approached by other objects. They're not getting picked up on FLIR at times. And then some of them have no noise.
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#2246 - James Fox
The whole house stunk. It's so funny because I was getting ready for a road trip. This was a couple years ago, and I looked over, and I was like, did we walk Duke? It was like 9 o'clock at night. We were exhausted. We packed everything up. We had the car ready to go for the next morning. It's like, did we walk Duke? Did you walk Duke? Take our dog. So we die. I was like, ah, it's nine o'clock.
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#2246 - James Fox
And I thought, oh, my God, he just got eaten. Somebody just ate him. I was like, oh, my gosh. I ran out there to look for him. And he comes running in. He jumps in bed covered in skunk. The whole house. Like, it was so, so strong. It's unbelievable. That smell is just like. It's so incredible.
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#2246 - James Fox
Oh, God, like 100,000 times stronger than ours, right? Right.
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#2246 - James Fox
Yes, yes. I don't know if it's a mile. I could drive over it and then my car smells like it.
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#2246 - James Fox
So the lobby told me, they're all, don't use this one elevator. It's really rickety and it makes a lot of noise and it's just, it's not very reliable and just don't use it. So I didn't. And then I was leaving 24 hours later to come down and get some coffee. And I was like, ah, fuck it. Let me take the rickety elevator. I was like, they told me not to take it, but I'm going to take it anyway.
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#2246 - James Fox
My friend was- Sharks in the ocean can sense blood from miles away, right? Miles. Miles. It's incredible.
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#2246 - James Fox
That's why they say when you go camping, put your food up in a tree or something, right?
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#2246 - James Fox
I remember when I was a kid, I went camping and they were like, don't have any food. I was like, yeah, whatever. Like, no, no, no. Put that stuff. They were really adamant. I was like, why are these guys making such a funk? The bear's not going to smell a cookie in my pocket.
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#2246 - James Fox
The meat is trapped in the tent. This is crazy. What was that one movie called where they got the grizzly man or something? Yeah, Grizzly Man. That's what it's called. And they came and got him. Remember that? Well, it's a lot more than that. He thought he became one with the grizzlies and then he got eaten.
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#2246 - James Fox
I've heard crescent-shaped. And then I heard about the ones that really got me because I contacted Christopher Mellon. I was like, Chris, what is going on, buddy? I really rely on him for good information. And he's like, I really don't know, man. It's a real shit show. And the U.S. government seems to be clueless right now. He goes, some of them are conventional.
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#2246 - James Fox
Why? Because he feels he doesn't want to defend himself against the wolves?
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#2246 - James Fox
Oh, God, I feel so bad for my little guy. It's terrible. I'm not there to protect my little feller. You know, one time I was hiking up this mountain, and I had my son with me at the time, and he was in that little pouch, you know, that little pouch that you put in the front? He was probably like maybe two, two and a half. And I was hiking this mountain pretty daily.
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#2246 - James Fox
It's funny, actually, because when I went up there without him, I was like, well, this is why people hike with weights on. This feels amazing. I could run up this mountain. But anyway, I was going up the mountain, and I had my dog, my little Duke, and I had my son walking up this mountain. And I come around this, like, good left hand.
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#2246 - James Fox
It's a pretty exposed, not too many trees, some bushes, and it's a hot, sunny day. And I see this leg of a deer, like, just fresh kill with blood on the ground. I was like, God. Damn, what the hell? Wow, that's fresh. I was like, huh. I kind of keep going and come around the corner and there's a long straightaway. The hill goes up like this.
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#2246 - James Fox
conventional crap but there are other ones coming in off the ocean that are up to 50 the coast guard and police department are reporting that truly remain a mystery and then you had schumer at a press conference just like it was yesterday and then he's going he's like we don't know what they are we don't know what they are and the guy goes yeah so it's a uap he goes well the drones he goes well you wrote the legislation
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#2246 - James Fox
And I see what looks like a big, like, greyhound dog, kind of like brown, kind of walking kind of back and forth like this with a tail. And I was like, man, who the hell's greyhound is doing out here? Like, what the hell is – that's a mountain lion. I was like, holy shit. And the mountain lion turns around and looked at me. And I had my kid. I was like, shit, I –
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#2246 - James Fox
So I grabbed my dog, and I turned around, and I started running. And I knew that I shouldn't be running. So I'm running, going, I shouldn't be running. I shouldn't be running. I know I shouldn't be running. But I wanted to get around the corner and get out of its line of sight. And then I go... I go, well, if he comes up on me, I'm going to have to throw my dog.
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#2246 - James Fox
I was like, I looked at Duke, and if it comes down to it, Duke, you're going to have to take one for the team. Oh, my God. That's a horrible choice. It's a horrible choice, but I had my son. Of course. I get it. But I remember looking at him, and I was looking at my dog going, oh, man, this is a horrible decision I have to make. But if it comes down to it, I'm going to have to sacrifice you, buddy.
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#2246 - James Fox
I love you. But it didn't come down to it. But I remember running, going, you're an idiot, James.
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#2246 - James Fox
Could you imagine what it was like to be running for your life, having something like that chase you?
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#2246 - James Fox
Let me tell you a really cool story that's a UFO, the best UFO picture I think has ever taken. Do you have it? Can I look at it, or are you going to tease me? No, no, no. We're going to look for it. Okay, so can you find the program trailer on here at all? Yeah, for sure. All right, find the program trailer. I'm going to tell you about this. Is this the trailer? Yeah, this is the trailer.
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#2246 - James Fox
It's a UAP, it's Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon. Why don't you just use UAP? I think they're using the word drone because UAP is almost too scary, like something's got invasions happening.
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#2246 - James Fox
That's correct. We have sources who have asserted not only that there have been crashes, but there have been crash retrievals. Do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft? Biologics came with some of these recoveries, yeah.
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#2246 - James Fox
Have you had incidences that have caused you to be in fear for your life?
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#2246 - James Fox
yes personally to uncover the rest what is being done to verify the assertion that the u.s government has spaceships of non-human intelligence in their possession that kind of revelation unearths people's beliefs i would go to jail to say things that i've been exposed to in the program bro is that mick jagger
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#2246 - James Fox
Doesn't he look like Mick Jagger? That's not Mick Jagger? That's Gary McKinnon. He's the biggest computer hacker in history. Let me see what he looks like. He almost went to jail for life because he was like, I'm going to find out what the government knows about UFOs. So he hacked into the systems. NSA, CIA, DIA, like... Where is he? Yeah. Oh, you want to see that really cool picture?
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#2246 - James Fox
No, in the film. Oh, yeah, yeah. You've got to go towards the end. He totally looks like Mick Jagger. That's really funny you should say that because I saw it and I'm like, wait a minute. That does look like a rock star. He is a rock star in the UFO community. It's coming up. You'll have to pause it quickly when it hits.
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#2246 - James Fox
But Gary McKinnon took it upon himself, a computer hacker, to find out if the government had proof of alien visitation. And he spent a couple years hacking systems, and he got pay dirt. There he is. That was it. Bro, that's Mick Jagger. Doesn't it look like Mick Jagger? It does look like Mick Jagger. That's Mick Jagger.
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#2246 - James Fox
Well, that's the thing, because it used to be Unidentified Aerial, well, it was UFO, Unidentified Flying Object, then it was UAP, Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon, but then they're coming out of the water.
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#2246 - James Fox
Yeah, but so, well, I was going to tell you, there's a photograph of a jet circulating. Can I go into a little bit of detail? Yes, please, please. Because everyone's always worried about, like, where's the good evidence? Where's the good photograph? Show me that photograph again.
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#2246 - James Fox
Okay, so there was a guy, Nick Pope, who investigated, he was part of the UFO desk at the Ministry of Defense of England in the late 90s, mid to late 90s. Maybe even as late as early 2000s. But in any case, and I was interviewing him for a number of my films. I did a film called Light of the Blue. I know what I saw before I did The Phenomenon.
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#2246 - James Fox
And I asked him, like, hey, man, you were a part of the UFO desk at the M.O.D.
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#2246 - James Fox
And he goes, oh, man. 1990. He didn't give me the town. It was Calvine. But he said Scotland. There were two poachers. They called them hikers, but they were actually poaching. And so it made me think about this when we were talking about animals earlier. And he said it was late in the afternoon.
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#2246 - James Fox
They were in a place, I now know it's called Calvine, and they came upon, in this relatively remote area, I know because I hiked out to the exact spot, and it's in the movie, and they came upon this diamond-shaped or disc-shaped object that was quite large that was hovering silently really close. I mean, close. And they were scared to death. And they were kind of hiding out underneath this tree.
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#2246 - James Fox
And they're looking at this thing. What the are we looking at? And they're looking at this thing as it's silently hovering. Remember, this is 1990. And one of them had a camera. and just as he was considering taking his camera out, a military jet came in. Turns out it was one of those Harrier jets. They think it was a Harrier jet.
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#2246 - James Fox
And it came out into the scene, and it flew all the way around the disc. And as it did so, the guy mustered up the courage, came out from under the tree, and he snapped five or six photographs of this object suspended in the air, and it went... So the disc is here and the plane is flying around. It's click, click, click, click, click, click.
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#2246 - James Fox
Because people associate UFO with otherworldly, and they wanted to remove that baggage and make it a little less scary. That's my personal opinion.
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#2246 - James Fox
And the reason why I know this is because the individual who kept one of the prints, thank you very much, Craig Lindsay, RAF press officer. And thank you, David Clark, for uncovering this because it's the most amazing picture ever. And The two hotel workers in just outside the town of Calvin, Scotland, came back and they were like telling their co-workers, oh, my God, we encountered this thing.
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#2246 - James Fox
We don't know what it was. So they go to the local newspaper and they were like, hey, man, we just filmed something in the sky. We got six prints of it. It was it was it was 35 millimeter film footage. Right. And and they're going to go public with their story. Two witnesses, broad daylight.
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#2246 - James Fox
a ufo points of reference with a military jet flying around five or six prints that's pretty solid evidence right so uh the local newspaper was like uh they're about to go public with it print print the story and they were like well we need a statement from the raf so they contact the press officer craig lindsey and they were like hey what do you make of this ufo these guys took and
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#2246 - James Fox
And Craig Lindsay goes, I don't know what you're talking about. I haven't seen the picture. You haven't seen it? Well, let me send you a print. This is the newspaper. Sends him a print, big print like this, the one you see today. And he's like, holy shit, the hell is this? He's an RAF press officer, Craig Lindsay.
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#2246 - James Fox
So he starts getting in touch with the MOD, and he goes out and he investigates this. Go talk to the witnesses. Talk to the witnesses, and they're telling him. And he goes, well, they tell him what happened. And he goes, well, what kind of noise did it make? And they say it didn't make any noise. He goes, no noise. That's impossible.
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#2246 - James Fox
An object that can hover like that in the sky for that period of time? We're talking 34 years ago. It didn't make any noise? And the witness said, no. So he was like, holy, this is crazy. So he takes a color Xeroxing machine, and he sends it to the MOD in London, and he says, hey, there's a case that you might want to look into, and here's a Xerox, which is really crappy.
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#2246 - James Fox
It's just a scanned Xerox, like a fax machine over to MOD. He said he went from the office where the Xerox machine was, and before he can get back to his office, his phone was ringing off the hook, MOD. And the MOD basically stepped in, took over the investigation. They said, you can step down to Craig Lindsay. He steps down. He keeps the print. Right. He steps down. They take over.
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#2246 - James Fox
Witnesses gone. Five or six prints gone. Story killed. Right. So. So 30 and we rumored about it because Nick Pope had talked about this case in a book he wrote called Open Skies, Closed Minds. And then I talked to him about it in late, late 90s. Then I talked to him about it again in the early 2000s. And I was like, Nick, especially in 2007, I was like, tell me about this photograph.
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#2246 - James Fox
He's like, oh, it was incredible. We had a big poster of it on the wall, the M.O.D. And I was like, well, where is it? He goes, well, I don't know. I stepped down. I'm no longer at the UFO desk. And I said, well, they didn't just throw that away. Why don't you get in touch with the people that were there and find out? He's like, oh, you know, James, I can't just make those inquiries.
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#2246 - James Fox
We killed the story. It was like, you know, so I was incredibly frustrated. So discreetly for over a 20 year period, I was making inquiries because I don't like letting things go. Right. It was like this picture exists and bloody hell, let's get this one out there. But. The story went dark. So David Clark found Craig Lindsay.
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#2246 - James Fox
True, but people are probably jumping out of their windows right now if they said UFOs are invading the East Coast. You remember World of Worlds? Right. That's true. People were like jumping out of their windows. That's a good point. That's actually a very good point. So I think they toned it down.
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#2246 - James Fox
And the way he found Craig Lindsay, the guy that kept one of the prints, is that he got a declassified government document out of the MOD's office that had redactions on it. And one of the things it said was, it was 1990, and they said, RAF press officer in Scotland, blacked out, you know, said that blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he's like, huh.
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#2246 - James Fox
Who was the RAF press officer in 1990 in Scotland? Craig Lindsay. Boom, contacts Craig Lindsay. They started communication going. So much for redaction. Yeah, so much for redactions, right? And so this whole dialogue starts going. And then he goes, well, gosh, I guess I might have one. It turns out he ended up keeping one of those prints, which he had. And that story broke probably two years ago.
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#2246 - James Fox
David Clark, again, I can't thank you enough. You deserve accolades for this. And so I flew to England. I met with David Clark and his crew, the people that did the analysis work. Then I went up to Scotland. I met with Craig Lindsay, the RF press officer, gave me the first and only on-camera interview about it, what astonished him about it, the analysis work they did on it, what the witnesses said.
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#2246 - James Fox
But we didn't have the witnesses. the people that took the photograph. We didn't have them, but I was going to report on this anyway just because, wow, this is the picture that we've all been waiting for. This picture is phenomenal. But if you don't have provenance and you don't have the background story on it, it could be AI, it could be right, it could be a hoax.
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#2246 - James Fox
Some people call it a reflection. Not a reflection, not a hoax. So... I'm ending production of the program, and I get a text from David Clark, and he goes, something big's about to happen. And I said, what? He goes, just sit tight. I can't go public right now, but something big's gonna happen. There's a new development. And this is just... He teases. Well... I'm coming out with that. I promise.
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#2246 - James Fox
He did tease me. But I was like, well, I'm almost done with the movie. And if this is something I can include in the movie about the case, please let me know. So long story short, this guy, Richard Greaves, who was one of the hotel cooks, worked in the kitchen with the photographers, with the two witnesses that took the photograph. And Richard Greaves came forward on print.
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#2246 - James Fox
I think they're using the word drone even though they're unidentified just because of the fear factor. I think the fear factor is real.
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#2246 - James Fox
But I contacted David Clark. I was like, hey, can you get me an interview with this guy? So he kept putting it off, putting it off, putting it off. And then finally, I was like, I didn't want to be, I wanted to be persistent, but I didn't want to annoy the guy to the point where he's going like, hey, you know what? Fuck you. Like, you're being annoying, you know?
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#2246 - James Fox
But I got it right up to that point, right? Where I was like, I was wrapping the movie. The movie's done and I want to get this movie out because all the people that participated wanted it out.
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#2246 - James Fox
and then i finally sent him one final text and i was like look i'm really sorry to pastor you and i know you're probably really busy and i really appreciate the fact that you even said that you'll meet with me but that you'll give me an interview and then probably about 10 o'clock that night i'm in the edit room buttoning the film up and all of a sudden i get a phone call and he's like i've just come out the pub i'm ready to go i was like okay grab a camera roll it let's record this
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#2246 - James Fox
And he reveals that he knew the witnesses. He worked with them in the kitchen. He gave all the specifics. He provided their names. And then he said that two or three nights after two or three nights, four nights after they took that photograph, they were all on a cigarette break at the hotel early evening, pissing rain. He said a car rolled up.
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#2246 - James Fox
There were three guys in it, a driver and two men in suits in the back. They roll up. They come out. They say cigarette breaks over. They pull the two witnesses aside and they grill him. And you got to hear it directly from the horse. Richard Greaves said that when they were all the people that were not involved with the incident were told to go back inside the hotel, which they did.
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#2246 - James Fox
But they looked through the window and they saw in the pissing rain. He said they're out there for 10 or 15 minutes in the pissing rain. And that these guys, they came back inside and they were white as a, he literally goes, they came back inside and they were white as a fucking ghost. Which we all get a good laugh out of.
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#2246 - James Fox
And then they started drinking heavily and within a couple of weeks they vanished without a trace and they've been gone ever since. So we report on this. And, yeah, that's a replica. It's way too clear. That's a replica from Nick Pope that he did it for some series talking about it. And that was before the real photograph was found and printed.
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#2246 - James Fox
Yeah, show the real photograph again. I got it. There it is. Yep.
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#2246 - James Fox
I know. And that fence is still there. Go back to the real one? Yeah, that fence is still there. I took a modern- So what is that jet in the background? A Harrier jet is what I'm told. They're 99% sure. And was that Harrier jet- trying to figure out what this was?
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#2246 - James Fox
Well, like I said, in the other prints, according to Craig Lindsay, the RAF press officer, he said the other six prints or five prints had that Harrier jet in a different position. So he said it was as if the Harrier jet flew around checking that out. Now, where are those other We have other M.O.D. just gone. They killed the story. I mean, the guy at the M.O.D.
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#2246 - James Fox
who worked there, Nick Pope, told me that they did everything they could to squash it because... Don't you think they probably have it filed away somewhere? Of course they do. Of course they didn't throw those pictures away.
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#2246 - James Fox
Yeah, that's a really crap copy. You're looking at a really bad print, you guys. Could you zoom it in? I've got a much better version of it. You got it on your phone? Yeah, I do.
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#2246 - James Fox
It's, yeah, well, let me show you a much better copy of it. Hang on, let me just scroll up here because I've got a really good, I got the original print of this copy. But, you know, people talk about, you know, the more compelling data and the lengths. So this is... This is the photograph that I took at the site. You can get an idea of that.
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#2246 - James Fox
See how, right. How similar, right. Exactly the same. Yep. And then here is, here's the, here's the print. And I could take a, I could text that to you guys if you want.
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#2246 - James Fox
I'll text it to you guys. Both of them. Send both of them. It's very interesting. Very interesting case. I mean, again, I think it's one of the best photographic cases because you're not dealing with just a UFO. You've got a military jet in the background. And if you have a date and a location, guess what? That pilot's still out there.
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#2246 - James Fox
That pilot probably got it on radar and probably got gun cam footage of him. If he's still alive. Well, he would have been probably... Young, right? Pilots are young. He would have been in his 30s or maybe early 40s, and that was 34 years ago. So chances are he's still alive. They're pretty fit, right? Yeah, maybe he's in his 70s. Okay, I'm going to text this to you right now. Here we go. Boom.
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#2246 - James Fox
You should have that. Did I get you all? Did I get all of them to you? And here is a picture of Craig Lindsay. This is great. You're going to love this. Okay, this is the guy that kept it.
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#2246 - James Fox
You didn't? No. I wonder if it's because I have my phone on airplane mode.
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#2246 - James Fox
Oh, you did? I was trying to explain to you. Oh, sorry. Okay, it's off now. I'm sorry.
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#2246 - James Fox
Here, you do it. There's that one and there's flip left to right on it. But, you know, it just goes to show the lengths that the Intel community, the Ministry of Defense, the DOD go to hide the more compelling photographic data because it's so easy to complain like, oh, well, if they were real, there would be good. Well, there are some really good prints.
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#2246 - James Fox
Well, I have it. I definitely have it on signal. Here, you do it. Here, fuck it. You take over. You drive. Because I'm clearly failing at this one.
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#2246 - James Fox
Yeah. And like I said, I mean, you know, it's not the question is, are all of these drones, you know, explainable by aliens? And the question of the answer obviously is no. The question is, are any of these bona fide UAP? And there's definitely some evidence to suggest that's the case. But again, there's always misidentification of more conventional stuff. Right. Right.
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#2246 - James Fox
And there's always and then there's a stubborn core percent. Like I give you an example. This is something that I've discussed a little bit recently. Did you find it okay? Yes. Okay, good. Finally, we got that enigma worked out.
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#2246 - James Fox
So let me tell you a little story that's pretty cool, which I never thought that this would happen. There's a guy, Kirk McConnell, who's Senate Armed Service Committee, and he participated at the very last minute in my film. He's in the trailer.
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#2246 - James Fox
and he in an official capacity with a high level clearance he had been investigating ufos ever since the new york times article in 2017. so he was behind the scenes 2017 2018 the tail end of 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 22 23 24 and then he stepped down and he came um through some intel folks we got in touch and i said hey man my film's almost done if you want i could squeeze in one final interview he decided to participate up he went we became friends we've been talking
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#2246 - James Fox
And he said, hey, I could probably arrange a meeting because there's some mutual interest in some UFO cases and evidence that I've been going after as a civilian. But he goes, hey, on the inside, if you want, I can hook you up with the heads of Arrow, the new heads of Arrow, John Koskowski and this other guy, Ryan, who was Air Force Office Special Investigations. This is just a couple weeks ago.
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#2246 - James Fox
So I went to the congressional hearings, which was incredible. And people say, oh, it was a big nothing burger. But you know what? It was very exciting seeing people testify under oath. There's a crash relief program. Seeing a rear admiral, Tim Gallaudet, saying that they're under the water. I mean, it's pretty fascinating stuff.
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#2246 - James Fox
So I had to apply for a security background on me, which was about 48 hours. And then I got approval for that. And then I showed up at a wing across the street from the Pentagon. And I had to go through the metal detector. And then there are these kind of exciting for me because I had never had this kind of experience before.
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#2246 - James Fox
There are these like glass tube type things that were lined up like in a row. And I only one person go in at a time. The doors open just like in Star Trek. And you walk in and that door closes. Then another one opens. You go to the other side. Then I had to get rid of my phone and everything and leave it outside. And then I go into a skiff. which is a sensitive compartmented information facility.
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#2246 - James Fox
It's gifts, all super top secret, whatever. And I got to meet with the new head of Arrow, John Koskowski. I was like, I can't believe I'm in the belly of the beast. This is crazy. How could I? I'm a civilian. I don't belong here. But we started talking, just very nonchalantly. I said, hey, you guys got to throw us a bone.
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#2246 - James Fox
said you know we're not going away this story is not going away and i said you know and you know what we're ultimately dealing with i mean obviously the vast majority of uap or ufos can be and have been explained away in down-to-earth conventional terms right but there's a stubborn core 15 20 percent that really defy conventional explanation not because of a lack of data because they truly can't explain what these things do and you know well you've had many people on
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#2246 - James Fox
These objects exhibit a technology that's just light years advanced from anything that we have. And it's been well documented since the 1940s, and possibly some people would say way before that. But modern-day UFO wave, no question. So there's two stories. One is someone's been in possession of this revolutionary technology for 85-plus years and kept it secret. Or two, we're not alone, right?
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#2246 - James Fox
Right. I said to the gentleman, very candidly, you know, we're probably dealing with a small percentage of NHI. What's the plan to tell the general public? And this is just a couple weeks ago. And he looked at me and he goes, James, I can't part my hair without approval from the DOD. And you can quote me on that.
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#2246 - James Fox
And that was him, in my opinion, telling me, hey, this is structured in a way that my hands are tied. I can uncover all the things in the world, but I can't tell the general public or even Congress without the DOD approving it first. So that's what's kind of happening right now.
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#2246 - James Fox
And one of the reasons why we were so fortunate to get the number of, I say, whistleblowers or potential whistleblowers or people to come forward in the program is because They were super frustrated with the previous head of Arrow, which is a guy named Sean Kirkpatrick, which basically just kind of blanket, you know, denied pretty much almost everything.
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#2246 - James Fox
Yeah, but again, it brings us back. But not everybody's doing it. Not everybody's doing it.
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#2246 - James Fox
So, well, I've thought about this. Like, you know, I'm going back to Brazil and I thought, you know, I'm obviously going after, you know, additional eyewitness testimony. I'm going after the photographic stuff. And those of you out there that are, like, tired of hearing about it, well, I spent...
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#2246 - James Fox
20 plus years in search of the photograph that I featured just now, that one with the background story on it, provenance, that sort of thing.
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#2246 - James Fox
Yeah. And and so I just because you've you know, you can't after a year or two haven't successfully obtained stuff.
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#2246 - James Fox
Yeah, it's a better version that you can see the granular of the film footage.
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#2246 - James Fox
Silent. According to the witnesses, it didn't make any sound. It hovered there for an extended period of time. And when it took off, it took off straight vertical like this. Straight up. Fast? It started going fast, faster, faster, faster, and then it was gone. Yep. That was Craig Ledzey who interviewed the witnesses who told me that.
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#2246 - James Fox
That's when I started really hearing about it. Jamie, is there like any sort of official answer to that? I have something that— 20th, 19th, something like that?
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#2246 - James Fox
And it's so weird though, according to Richard Greaves in Scotland, the Americans got involved. Of course, we get involved in everything. Yep. They showed up, and they intimidated the shit out of the witnesses. And I know people can criticize me for reporting on these alleged men in black, but it's not me saying it. It's the witnesses that are saying it.
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#2246 - James Fox
And I did it full bore for the first time, full bore for the first time in Moment of Contact, because I remember hearing these stories for decades, and I finally was like, everyone's going to think I'm crazy if I report on this. this lady who was the mother of the two daughters that saw that had these visits and the intimidation. And I was like, screw it.
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#2246 - James Fox
I'm just going to report on this and I'll just take the criticism, you know? And then I wasn't expecting this for the, to be the case with this photograph, but lo and behold, it was, but, um, Anyway, it's a huge story. In my opinion, they can't put the genie back in the bottle. It's coming out and it's drip, drip, drip.
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#2246 - James Fox
But I have to remind your audience, people that are feeling impatient, that we've had three open congressional hearings in the last three years.
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#2246 - James Fox
And it's frustrating at times. I get it. People are like, oh, well, why are all these people? Why can't they just say, why can't David Grush just tell us? You know, well, I can remind people that the DOD has stripped David Grush of his clearances and won't allow him to get into a skiff. This is one of the things that I talked to this guy, Brian Benner, who appears in the movie Politico.
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#2246 - James Fox
And he goes, he goes, if Congress finds out about it, one thing we know on the Hill is that you're going to find out about it. They can't keep a secret. It's going to leak. So they've been doing everything they can. I imagine it's the DOD to prevent. Grush from going into a skip with members of Congress to release and reveal the classified details necessary to verify his claims.
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#2246 - James Fox
The door's open. I look. I see this shadowy figure in the corner. I'm like, Ryan Graves? What are you doing? He goes, I don't know. What are you doing? I was like, are you doing what I think you're doing? He goes, yeah. Did he tell you that? Did he tell you that?
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#2246 - James Fox
I have something that—this is about an air base in Vandenberg Air Force Base in 2003, and this is not an anonymous— But this is about incursions over. Listen to this. I promised this individual that I met at Seoul conference. He's a witness. He's a military guy. My name is Jeffrey Nusatelli. I served 16 years in the United States Air Force as a technical sergeant and a military police officer.
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#2246 - James Fox
Well, I mean, any members of Congress with the proper clearances and feel like they want to have that information. I mean, you got nothing wrong with her.
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#2246 - James Fox
Exactly. They don't want them to have that information. There's no question about it.
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#2246 - James Fox
So here's another thing I'd like to mention is that David Grush claims that he gave even a street address to the ICIG, which is Thomas Monheim. That's the Intelligence Community Inspector General. So I'm asking members of Congress to support all their efforts. You know, Burchett, who's been amazing, regardless of what your politics, the guy's a phenomenon.
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#2246 - James Fox
He's been really pushing for transparency. He's a super solid guy. You got Mace. You got Moskowski from Florida. Garcia from California, AOC, New York, Luna. And then, of course, you've got the Senate side. You've got Rubio, who totally knows where this stuff is, Rounds, Schumer. And if you look at the NDAA, you can see the language in plain sight. I mean, it's phenomenal what's going on. And I...
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#2246 - James Fox
I think that our elected officials that are really pushing for transparency need to hear from us, need to hear from the citizens and know that we support their efforts and that we have their backs and continuing to push for transparency, to push to find out what the hell is going on. I mean, imagine if it's true. Imagine if we have spaceships and we have biologics bodies, okay? That is not just...
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#2246 - James Fox
Implications for the United States, that's global implications. I mean, the impacts, the ripple effect that would have around the world for that confirmation to happen.
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#2246 - James Fox
We would obviously weaponize the technology. That's obvious. Of course. Yeah, duh.
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#2246 - James Fox
Yeah, why would we not? The basics. I mean, if you could put a nuke on one of those things, I mean, the exhibited technology that people say, people that have witnessed this stuff say it goes from a standstill to out of sight in the blink of an eye. I mean, these objects. What was it? David Fravor said it went from space.
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#2246 - James Fox
I have a problem with that theory. And the problem I have is that the United States government has documented close encounters of a third kind. That's beings connected. That's their own files, right? That's not me saying it. So it's not just these objects exhibiting revolutionary technology for at least 80 years, right?
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#2246 - James Fox
No wings, no tail, no visible means of propulsion, the ability to hover, accelerate, out of sight in the blink of an eye, right angle turns at high speed, no wake, no sonic boom, that kind of stuff. But you also have reports, credible reports, of beings connected to some of the craft. And that's documented all around the world. So that eliminates, right?
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#2246 - James Fox
In October 2003, my coworkers and I witnessed a series of extraordinary UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. The initial event is known as the Vandenberg Red Square, and it was first mentioned during the historic UAP hearing held in 2023.
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#2246 - James Fox
That's all I'm doing. And again, I've said this earlier on the show, and I'll say it again, is the reason why I believe David Grush, who testified, not just because he testified. Oh, I believe David, but David doesn't have firsthand experience that he's talked about. I know, I know. But the reason why I believe him is because it aligns with my research in the field.
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#2246 - James Fox
Remember, I spent over 12 years investigating on and off with my buddy Marco Leal in Virginia, Brazil. that UFO crash case and only found out last minute, the last time I was there, that the Americans were involved. So I was like, oh my God, the rumors are true. The Americans really are. Do you see, I obviously looked into Roswell for years. I went to Roswell the 50th anniversary.
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#2246 - James Fox
It was reported on News Nation with Ross Colhart. It's got to be real. And well, Ross Caldhart is a credible. He seems legit. He's got an accent. He's got a great accent. He's got an Australian accent. Not quite British. We believe you if you have an accent. But it's close. You're more credible than a New York accent. There's something about a British accent that just adds credibility to anything.
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#2246 - James Fox
You haven't investigated this? I have a little bit, but I don't have the same connections on that. But I'll tell you a case that I do think needs to get looked into. Oh, you're going to move us around away from this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because this is one that I... Well, this is... No, but this is a craft, a recovery craft.
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#2246 - James Fox
He's trying to... So there's a memo in the program that was, through the DOPSRA process, was released. Unfortunately, some of the names are redacted. Christopher Mellon obtained it. It was from a correspondence he had with a high-level government official back in 2020. It just got approved for release, I don't know, maybe a year ago. It's featured in the doc.
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#2246 - James Fox
And in it, it has the names of not just the gatekeeper, but other people that names who found the gatekeeper to the crash retrieval program. I'm told that unredacted versions of that have been handed to select members of Congress and people that are investigated in an official capacity with the government.
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#2246 - James Fox
But in it, they specifically mentioned a case, not crash, a landed case that happened in 1953. It came in Arizona. So I made some inquiries with aerospace folks that I've been meeting with quietly, and I'm like, what's this case that you guys keep talking about with the king in Arizona? They're like, oh, it was like they just landed and left.
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#2246 - James Fox
The case involved Boeing contractors who witnessed a huge red square-shaped object roughly the size of a football field hovering over a missile defense system. The object was silent and had no visible means of propulsion. The contractors watched in amazement as the massive object slowly drifted east and vanished over the hills.
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#2246 - James Fox
I was like, well, how do you know they – what do you mean landed and left? And they're like, well, the doors were open and nobody home, and they walked off. I said, you mean somebody just flew this thing down, it landed on the ground in the desert, and came in Arizona in 1953, and they left the doors open and left, and they were like, yep, that's pretty much what happened.
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#2246 - James Fox
So they left the craft there. Somebody just, they flew it down and left a craft on the ground. I was told that, and I wouldn't be repeating this if I didn't think there was some serious credibility to it, but apparently it was.
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#2246 - James Fox
Well, the individual that I talked to was so funny because this individual was like, not a scratch. And I go, not a scratch, not a scratch, not a scratch on the, no, it was perfect. Didn't have a scratch. I was like, oh my gosh, this sounds like somebody who's more than just heard about this, but that one of the aspects of it didn't have a scratch on it.
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#2246 - James Fox
So I think that's a case that I think that people should definitely be looking into.
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#2246 - James Fox
I don't know if it was the way they described it. This is the problem. This is the problem I have with all this stuff. But here's the thing.
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#2246 - James Fox
Well, he's got an illustration of it in the documentary, and I tell you, it's one of the crazy—I remember after hearing— Do you imagine? I know. I was like, if this is true?
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#2246 - James Fox
Now, this is something that we didn't reveal in the documentary. It was really funny. He thought that this individual was suffering from frostbite or—what's that when you get really cold? Hypothermia. Hypothermia.
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#2246 - James Fox
skin had a blue tint to it so he was taking he took his jacket off and he very insistently put the jacket on this individual because he was thinking this person's really really cold it's been out in the desert probably had a plane crash or whatever right and so he's putting his dad and the person was kind of resistant but jason said i insisted i took one layer of my jacket and i put around this individual and that individual left with the jacket on so we jokingly i jokingly say where do you think your jacket is now he's
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#2246 - James Fox
I retained official Air Force records of the event, including the blotter form entry, which includes the names and contact information of all the witnesses and provided it to select members of Congress, ARO, and the FBI. ARO is a new UAP task force organization. All-domain anomalous resolution office. After the initial event, several other UAP incursions took place at Vandenberg.
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#2246 - James Fox
Did you hear about the testimony by Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet just recently in Congress?
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#2246 - James Fox
I don't have all that you can look it up. Just what you can remember. that are exhibiting a technology underwater that defies any conventional explanation. Things that are just virtually impossible. Like so much faster than the fastest submarine or anything like that. And they're really big.
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#2246 - James Fox
Yeah, they call it transmedium or something. But confirmation, I mean, that's... And I actually spoke to Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet on a couple of occasions recently. And I thanked him for coming forward and testifying. And he said, you know, I felt an obligation to do so because a lot of my men, the pilots, were coming forward and I wanted to back them up.
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#2246 - James Fox
What's his name? Went to the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
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#2246 - James Fox
One of the reasons why we know about overhead satellite imagery of UAP is because of Ratcliffe, who was former head of ODNI. And he came forward. And I remember it's funny, actually, because it was classified. And Christopher Mellon participated in this latest production with me because of Ratcliffe revealing it on Fox News.
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#2246 - James Fox
And Ratcliffe basically says, yeah, we have overhead collection satellite data of UAP that are pretty fucking far out. And that, yeah, that happens. So they're talking about this. But getting back to your point, because I know you said you were frustrated. You're like, oh yeah, it's just another anecdotal piece of evidence, a piece of testimony, third party, not firsthand.
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#2246 - James Fox
I'm not saying I'm frustrated. No, no, no. What I'm saying is I totally agree with you. I'm frustrated. As somebody who's been chasing this story for 30 years, I too want access to the better, more compelling data. That's why I chased after that photograph I just shared with you earlier on for as long as I did, because I hear about something, I go after it. But I want to remind your audience,
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#2246 - James Fox
You can't go after something without knowing that it exists. So you get the leads. We're learning more about the programs. We're learning how these programs are hidden. These WUSAPs, they're waived, unacknowledged, special access programs, probably hidden somewhere in the deal. I know, it sounds crazy.
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#2246 - James Fox
But at least giving some guidance to where are these things and how these things are hidden, where they might be found. We reveal there's a gentleman in the film called Navy X. And people are like, ah. it's just another person testifying anonymously. Well, yes, true. But he gives us specifics on telling members of Congress where to look to find specifics. JWICs, what is it?
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#2246 - James Fox
I was on duty during many of the encounters, and I investigated the incidents as they unfolded. Now remember, this is not anonymous reporting here. They include a football field-sized craft that terrified security guards as it silently hovered over a launch facility before flying off at an unbelievable rate of speed.
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And this is where to find the more compelling data. I'm going to read this because it's important that people know that. He's saying, look, I've seen it and this is where it is. It's called the official UAP data is kept either in SIPR, Secret Internet Protocol Router Network, or JWICS, Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communication System, that's used by the DoD and only available in a SCIF.
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And a SCIF is a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility. So... Is it frustrating to hear that? And people criticize, oh, it's just another person. But he's saying, I've seen it. It's phenomenal. He gives descriptions of some of the stuff he saw. And he's telling members of Congress, if you have the clearances, this is where it's being kept. So those are very good specifics.
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And again, I remind you guys, like, okay, just be patient. This is not a 100-yard dash. We're running a marathon right now. We need to be patient. We are.
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Yeah, that's one of the things that Christopher Mellon said to me this morning. He goes, that's the one element or aspect that really is a head-scratcher. But this is the question. 50 of these things coming in off the ocean, that's just confirmed.
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God, you're talking, I don't know, man. But that's a lot of drones, especially the size they're reporting. They're talking about drones the size of an SUV. Right.
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I take a ferry all the time in Vermont. Like a big one, like a legit one, like a European ferry. 50 cars? I put, well, the one that's medium legit, I put... 25, 30, maybe 40, 25 to 40. Okay. Yeah.
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Why would they do that? Why would they do that over residential areas? I don't know. Why would they have everybody scratching their heads? All these press conferences. You're talking about the head of the gang of eight, right? Okay.
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A brightly illuminated silent object that landed on the base flight line before accelerating instantaneously and disappearing into space. A huge triangle-shaped craft larger than a C-130 that hovered 50 feet over a police officer before it drifted slowly over the base. A blue-white liquid orb roughly the size of his house that hovered over his house on the base.
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I think you have to be there. Certain proximity within to pick up whatever. Did you bring this up with Ryan Graves? Yes. What did he say?
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He doesn't think so. Everybody that I trust, people in the FBI, people that I communicate with often, I'm like, what is going on?
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Yeah. Even I had some people tell me, like, even if it's conventional, it's highly advanced conventional technology. Right.
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But why did it just start happening fairly recently? Well, I'm saying if it's Chinese.
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But they're flying it over Langley. They're flying it over. Wouldn't you do that? Just to fuck with these people? What's the golf course that Trump has? Yeah, his golf course. What's that called? I don't know. Westminster? Yeah, something like that. They're flying over that? Yeah. The president-elect?
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It's Santa Claus. One of the reasons why I wanted you guys to hear that account by the guy at Vandenberg Air Force Base, this is not anonymous reporting. The guy's giving his name. Right. And he's talking about objects that are the size of a football field. Yeah.
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Oh, yeah. I interviewed a guy. There was a case that happened right here in Texas, Stephenville. Ricky Sorrell is one of the best witnesses. I love the guy. He was a hunter. And he's like, James, you could have landed an airplane on this. I said, you've got to be kidding me. He goes, no, man. I stood under this thing. He goes, it was so big, I was standing under it and he had his rifle.
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And he's standing under it and he's looking up and he's looking to the left. He's looking to the left, right, back, forward. Can't see the edge of it in any direction. So he grabs his hunting rifle because he was hunting deer. This is 2008. He grabs his honey rifle. Please don't tell me he shot it. No.
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Well, so he holds his rifle up, and he's looking through the scope, and he goes, Jan, I'm a metal worker. I work with metal. I know what metal looks like. And he's looking through the scope, and he goes, man, there's no rivets. There's no seams. There's no weld marks. He's like, there were these, on the belly of it, there were these reverse, like, recessed cones.
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The objects made no sound and had zero obvious means of propulsion. And he says, my experiences with UAP were awe-inspiring, exciting, and terrifying. I don't know why UAP are flying over our bases and our neighborhoods, but I do know the UAP phenomenon is of the utmost importance to all of humanity.
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It's, like, bigger, and then they got smaller as it went up into the belly of the craft. He's looking up at it, and his finger's on the trigger, and he's like, man, I wonder, wasn't that how he got it? I wonder what happened if I just pulled the trigger here. I bet it would ricochet off or hit the belly or something.
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So he's looking at it, and he's just about to pull the trigger to check it out, and he goes, hmm, maybe this isn't such a good idea.
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I interviewed him in 2008 when this was going down, and then about a year later, I was doing some follow-up interviews for a film I did, I Know What I Saw, and I had this gentleman walk up to me, and I was filming in the downtown square in Stephenville, or it might have been Dublin, and... This gentleman looks at me and he goes, you Mr. Fox? And I was like, yes.
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And he pulls out a badge and he shows me his badge. And he's like, can I talk to you for a minute? I'm officer so-and-so. And I was like, Jesus Christ, what the hell did I do? And I said, yeah, sure. And we walk off to a cafe and he goes... He's looking at... He had his back. He had his back to the wall in the cafe so he could see everybody coming in. He was really paranoid.
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And he said, you know Ricky Soros? I said, yeah. He goes, that guy's telling the truth. I said, how do you know? He goes, because the whole police department saw it. I can't remember if it was Dublin Police Department or Stephenville. I think it was Dublin Police Department. He goes, yeah, man, we... He said, we...
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We were sitting over there, patrol cars, and this object was like a floating department store. I mean, it was absolutely colossal, like a city. Took out my radar gun, pointed at it, and it was doing 22 miles an hour. And then he said it drifted off, and one of the officers, I don't remember the name of the gentleman, took his dash cam, and he flipped it up, and he filmed it.
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And apparently one of the biggest mistakes this individual made, this police officer made, was that he didn't make a copy of it because the local Air Force base requested that film footage and got it. And so I've been telling people to go after that stuff exists.
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But my point is this object was so big, people claimed the witnesses, the firsthand witnesses, that you could have landed an airplane on it.
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He said when it took off, it was like this. He goes, James. And Ricky didn't want to give me an on-camera interview for the longest time. He said, I'm not coming forward. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going public. I worked on him for eight months. Finally, I got the green light. I flew back out to Texas, got him on camera, put him in the movie.
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But he said when it took off, it went from this, a complete standstill, and it went straight up, like at a slight angle, but straight up and gone. He goes, James, I said, describe the acceleration. He goes, I'll tell you, the best way I can describe it is that had I blinked, I would have missed it. That's how fast it took off. So it went from here, like that.
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I currently have five other military witnesses to the Vandenberg incursions that are all willing to testify tomorrow under oath that these statements are true. We need answers to this mystery and better government transparency. Thank you for the opportunity to share my story. Former United States Air Force Technical Sergeant and witness, Jeff Nusatelli.
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He had helicopters hovering over his... I know this sounds crazy. People are going to be like, oh, this big... But he had helicopters flying over his property for a while, right around the time that I was trying to get him to go on camera. He came out in his underwear and his shotgun late at night with his helicopter spotlighting him up.
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And he ended up calling the local Air Force base and said, stop flying over my house at night. And they said, we suggest you stop talking about what you saw. And so he was kind of spooked. And about eight months later, he finally decided that he was going to go public with the story. But, you know, everything to lose, nothing to gain.
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You get this countless reports of these cases, you know, and they're around the world, right? It's not just the United States. I've demonstrated that time and time again. But there's more of them in the United States than anywhere else, right? Well, I mean, one of my favorite cases, Rua Zimbabwe. That's an amazing case. Right, right, right.
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There seems to be an attraction almost like a moth to a flame with nukes. Somehow they're interested in our nuclear capabilities. And I remember interviewing Robert Salas, who was a launch control officer, who described this whole event at Malmstrom Air Force Base in the 60s where these UFOs were witnessed on the base and then all their – Minuteman missiles started getting shut down.
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And I remember saying to him like, well, what's your take on that? Like what kind of, you know, he goes, and I could realize, I realized why this individual was a launch control officer because he was so measured and so calm and so cool. And he goes, well, James, the message I got was kind of clear. It's almost like taking matches out of the hands of a baby. about the nukes, yeah.
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So, you know, with the phenomenon, you look at what they do, right, and that says some things. They've done some pretty brazen events, right, over the decades. But you also look at what they don't do. Because if the phenomenon wanted to end this, like, you know, secrecy once and for all, all they'd have to do is hover over the Macy's Day Parade or the next big Super Bowl and it's game over.
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They don't do that. They've done some pretty brazen things, right? I mean, case in point, March 13th, 97, over the state of Arizona, including the governor, Fife Simon, witnessed that phenomenon. There were a number of UFOs witnessed, but the main one, you know, was this big boomerang-shaped craft.
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And even the governor said it must have been at least a mile across from wingtip to wingtip that floated. And I actually interviewed people that worked at Luke Air Force Base at the time, and they said that they scrambled jets to intercept this thing. And I interviewed a number of people that saw that craft.
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I mean, that stood on their, that light down in their lawns and watched it float over the top of them. And apparently, according to this individual that I met in the late 90s at Luke Air Force Base, they scrambled a military jet to intercept this thing. He came up on it, could have landed on the damn thing. It was so big. And it went from moving very, very slowly to accelerating like warp drive.
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Boom, just gone. When the jet came back to the base, Luke Air Force Base, they had to carry him out of the plane, I'm told, because he was so shaken by what he saw. Yeah, I can imagine you wouldn't handle that well. Can you imagine having to keep that secret? No. Can you imagine taking the ultimate— Well, the governor had to lie, right?
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Yeah, yeah. And he was like this shadowy figure up against the corner, like kind of just, you know, looking at him. He was looking at me. It was really funny.
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Yeah, an alien costume. Yeah. I hammered him on that one.
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I got—oh, well, so I interviewed him. I was the one that got him to break his silence after 10 years. And he told me, and I don't necessarily know that I fully believe it, but he told me, because initially when it happened in March, and remember, the vast majority of people were out under the night sky to get a glimpse of the Hellbob Comet.
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Crazy, right? I mean, we're talking the size of a football field?
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So it was witnessed all the way across the state of Arizona and even in Nevada, southern Nevada. And yeah, there he is. Fife told me that it was growing hysteria. But initially he had set out And he said, we're going to find out. I'm contacting Luke Air Force Base, reach out to the Pentagon and all these various services, and we're going to get to the bottom of it.
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And then, I don't know how much longer it was. Was it later that day or was it the next day? He held an unscheduled press conference, and that's when he had his aides dressed up in an alien suit and made a mockery of it all. And I can assure you, pissed the hell off his constituents and the witnesses all across the state of Arizona. They were furious. And...
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I confronted him on that 10 years after the fact because I was pissed off. I was investigating that case when it happened in the 90s. And I interviewed a lot of really good witnesses, really good witnesses. And he said the reason why he did it was because of growing hysteria, that he wanted to quiet, calm down the hysteria. But did he get a phone call to say, hey, kill this story? No.
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I lean in that direction, but even when we're having cocktails together, he's never confessed that that happened. But it's awfully suspicious the way it all went down. It's a little weird, especially considering he actually saw it. That could have been a turning point in the UFO phenomenon reporting era, right? Like suddenly you get this massive sighting, which would happen today.
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We would have been... covered by everybody's phones and whatever. But if the governor had come forward and said, yeah, we need to figure out what that thing is, I'm a former captain in the Air Force, I'm a pilot, and I saw it, and I don't know what the hell that thing was. Is there any footage of the actual thing, the triangle boomerang-looking thing?
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There are some footage floating around, and I featured some, and I know what I saw. You got an object in the night sky with lights that... And at the time, in 2009, I did some kind of enhancement. I'm sure the software is a lot better nowadays. It looks like a big, I can draw it. Like a boomerang. Yeah, but more angular. It was like this. Like this. And my drawings are terrible.
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This was 2003. There was a number of incursions during that year, all the way into 2005. And he has the names, and they submitted it to the new head of AERO.
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yeah yeah yeah yeah kind of like that yeah mm-hmm yep and so that image in the far left that's but that's the yeah and there was that's it right so yeah and here's something that kind of throws off the trail here because um excuse me the object came down of the state of arizona it went from north to south is that legit uh on the right there yeah uh i i honestly i i can't say
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I'd have to really do a deep dive into it, but let me tell you what happened because this is brilliant. So what happened was you got this massive object from around 5.30 at night in the southern Nevada, and then it drifts down very slowly from north to south across the entire state of Arizona.
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And right around 7.30, 8, 8.30, the Barry Goldwater Mountain Range, which is the direction it was heading in, the military decides to drop a bunch of flares. And so people were like, oh, there it is. And a bunch of people filmed the flares.
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So in my opinion, it was a diversionary tactic that was brilliantly done because why the military suddenly decided to drop flares in the shape of – somewhat of the shape. So I think that some of the footage that you've seen out there is military flares. But there's –
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And there was an effort, I don't know if you want to get into it right now, but there was an effort by the so-called M&B, which the MIB, these men in black or whatever unknown government agency they come from, that took some footage that I was learning about. During my investigations in the 90s, and now you're looking at me like I'm crazy. No, no.
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So the first time I really heard a really credible report of the MIB and I decided not to report on it was when I was in touch with a woman who was councilwoman, Frances Barwood, who was one of the few officials in... Phoenix area that was saying, hey, let's investigate what these people are claiming they've seen. She's not saying aliens have landed.
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All she's saying is, hey, these people have a right to know what's going on. Let's launch an investigation. She was lambasted over the media, made fun of, ridiculed. But as a result of her inquiry, public inquiry and putting it out there, one of these individuals reached out to her. And I know this because I know her, Frances Barber, and I heard the whole story. And he was a...
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He was a Vietnam vet, and he was on the roof of his house with a tripod and a camera, and he was trying to film the hellbob comment. And he had walkie-talkies, and he was monitoring the truck drivers driving up Interstate 10 from Tucson to Phoenix. And so he's monitoring this, and he hears these truckers talking about a massive UFO, and he's like, shit, that's heading right towards my house.
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who was like, I'll film it. So he had a camera all ready to go, and the object went right over his house, according to him, and he filmed the whole thing. And he goes, yeah, I filmed the whole thing. It's pretty spectacular. And I know that you're launching an investigation, Francis Borrowee. Would you like to see it? And she said, yeah.
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So they made arrangements where he was going to drop it off at her office. Either later that day or first thing the next morning, two representatives, and it was July at this point, it was very hot, two men in dark suits showed up at his house, and they said, hey, um... He was apparently relieved that's all they wanted. He said they were quite menacing looking. Didn't really say a lot.
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They said, we're from Francis Barwood's office. We're here to pick up that footage. So he gives them the footage. He said the only question they ask him is, did they make any copies? And he said, no. And so they take the footage. Off they go. Well, he doesn't hear from Francis Barwood. He's like, what the hell? So a couple of days go by, I think possibly up to a week.
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He calls her up and he says, and Francis will tell you this. She'll validate what I'm telling you. He says, hey, what do you think of the footage? She goes, well, what do you mean when I think of the footage? I never got it. You were going to drop it off at my office and you didn't show up. He goes, well, I didn't have to. You had two men from your office show up and pick it up.
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She goes, I didn't send anybody around to your office. And I know at the time in the late 90s, I'd heard a couple of stories prior to that. I thought this is too out there. This is too outlandish. No one's going to believe this. I have no proof of this other than her testimony. Screw it. And I didn't report on it. But hearing those cases over and over and over, it's like, there we go once again.
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The so-called evidence that could prove or disprove one way or the other that something truly extraordinary took place in the skies over Phoenix back in 1997 vanished. But there is some that slip between the cracks that's out there. You just have to do due diligence. And I don't have the time to sift through all of it.
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I know what I saw features some of the footage. I covered that case extensively. So if anyone's interested in the Phoenix Lights case, that, but I can tell you.
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Oh, thousands. Thousands. I talked to another woman, Stacy Rhodes, and her daughter, Emily, and they said they were driving on Interstate 10. And she goes, look, James, I'm going to tell you how big this thing was. I said, how big is she goes? First of all, there were people stopped on the freeway, just like stopped as this thing. It was like close encounters floating over the.
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Oh my gosh. I went to South Africa one time, and that was like 22 hours.
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She goes, I could have held up a newspaper like this and look to the left, look to the right, look to that. And she said, I couldn't block this thing out. That's how big it was. And it didn't make a sound. It was gunmetal black. It was witnessed by a lot of people. That's why I say there's some events that have happened over the decades that are pretty brazen. That's one of them.
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Well, when you get thousands of people saying the same thing, if you see thousands of people saying the same thing, including the governor.
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Yeah, I know, but I got him to come clean 10 years later.
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No, I hear you. I hear what you're saying. He hasn't been in the limelight in a while. It's a good thing to talk about now. There's no smoke without fire. There is so much evidence in terms of... eyewitness testimony and radar, some photographic, not as much as we'd like, that something truly inexplicable is taking place in our aerospace, right? For sure.
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Something that, after careful examination, something that, not because of a lack of data in some instances, but that after careful analysis and research, investigation, that comes out the other end and says... I can't explain this is going to have to be one of those unknowns or, you know, falls into that 15 percent category of cannot provide a terrestrial or conventional explanation for.
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And those are the cases that I've so desperately have been going after for a long time.
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How could these incursions have been taking place and like here we are 20 years later and we're only now really starting to talk about them?
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Yeah. Well, in some respects, there has been... I remember I interviewed this guy, Nick Pope, at the MOD years ago. And I was like, this is a time when we were pushing for transparency there. France was releasing previously classified documents on UFOs. Les OVNI, as they'd say. The MOD followed suit. They were releasing previously classified documents, slowly putting it out there.
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And at the time, it was rather exciting. I just did a big event at the National Press Club with Leslie Kane and... And it was like this whole move, and it was like, oh, my God, it's happening, right? But it kind of petered out a little bit. And I remember asking this guy that used to work the UFO desk at the MOD, Nick Pope, and I said, Nick, do you anticipate any type of disclosure?
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This is like 2009 or something, 2008, 2009. And he goes, James, no. He goes, it's going to be disclosure with a small d. Not a big D. It's going to trickle out slowly. Condition people, get people prepared, test the waters. You know, one of the things that we explore in the program, and I'd never done that, is the politics of disclosure.
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It's a far more complex, let's just suspend judgment for a moment and assume that it's real, okay? That there really is an NHI, a non-human intelligence aspect to the phenomenon, right? Let's just suggest that's real. Now, how do you disclose that to the general public? What about the impacts on organized religion? What about the impacts on financial institutions?
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What about the fact that we'd have to confess that we don't have full control over this? I mean, those are real considerations. And it's not just the United States, right? This involves the planet. This involves all the humanity. I wanted to ask you about this. Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah. Oh, I do. I totally understand.
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Well, there was a case in China that happened in 1994, right around the time of Rua Zimbabwe, also in 1994, called Mengjiaogua. And it happened in the Black Mountains, and it was a landing, alleged contact, close to kind of the third kind. It's funny because it happened right in the same time of Africa, similar message that was conveyed there. I went to China.
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I met with an active general in uniform, talked openly about the UFO phenomenon. They were pretty open. I went to Russia in the late 90s, and that was right before Putin. It was right around the time when Putin was coming in, and that was a period of openness. And I went to Star City, Russia. I interviewed a cosmonaut, Pavel Popovich, a number of generals, and they were very open about it.
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In fact, they said to me at the time, if you're here... to discuss whether or not the UFO phenomenon is real, the door's right over there. We're here to create an international coalition, an international exchange of information, and to talk about the implications of the phenomenon, which I thought was amazing. This is like 25 years ago, right?
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So now, I don't know if things have changed since Putin's been in office, but that was back in the late 90s. I mean, there'd been congressional hearings in Brazil. There's been an effort. I mean, shit, they had hearings back in 1978 at United Nations that Lee Spiegel put on. So there's been an ongoing effort for this stuff to come out. I just think it's different this time.
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To me, it feels like there's too much momentum behind it at this point. And there's so much legislation that's written. It's too much that's come out. And it's too important. Look. Whether you believe it or you don't believe it, if you can just imagine for a moment if it is true and if the U.S.
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government does in fact have irrefutable evidence that we're not alone in the universe, that's so significant that we all have a right to that information and that we should continue to support this unprecedented push for transparency with our elected officials and get to the fucking bottom of it. Why not?
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Yeah, and the new administration's coming in. There's Ratcliffe and Rubio. I'm telling you, Rubio knows a lot. I know that. How do you know he knows? Because I've talked to people that have debriefed him and have been in the room with him.
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No, I have not. No, I have not. But I talked to people that were in the room when he was being briefed. from first-handers.
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I'm told that there were, I'm going to say, right around 12 first-hand people that have had behind closed doors meetings, first-hand people that are concerned about their secrecy, concerned about their safety, concerned about the implications of them coming forward and going public, that they're not quite, they don't quite have, and this comes from a very good source of information,
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that the witness protection program and the legislation that they've created around that is not quite there yet. It's getting closer. They need to continue to work on that.
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Whistleblowers. They have whistleblower protection. I'm so sorry. I meant to say that. Excuse me. Yeah. Whistleblower protection is not quite in place. One of the things I really wanted to mention is that there is a gentleman, a young man who's 30 and he feels like he's old. His name is Jesse Michaels, and he's got this new show called American Alchemy. New. It's a couple years old.
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Why does he feel like he's old? Because you know when you're 30, you feel like you're old. Really? Well, I did. When I turned 30, I was like, oh, I'm 30. Because just 10 years earlier, I was almost 19, right? Or 11 years earlier, I was 19. Right. You go from a teenager to suddenly you're 30, you always think like 30.
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And I was talking to him not too long ago, Jesse, and I said, he's like, yeah, I feel a little old. I was like, dude, you are just getting into your prime, baby. This is rock and roll time. But I really wanted to, this is a guy who's young. Julian Dory is also doing some amazing work on this in podcasts.
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But he was young and is doing a deep dive into the implications and into – he meets with aerospace engineers. The guy's – Jesse, you're a phenomenon. Keep rocking and rolling. I want to tip my hat to you. I don't know if you've seen this guy or not. No, I haven't. He's doing deep dives into what's happening right now. Maybe I have.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
He's documented it with these podcasts, and he's doing a fantastic job. And I just got to tip my hat to the guy because – He's ten times smarter than I'll ever be and he's young and he's a force to be reckoned with. And he's really doing, he's answering all the questions that you and I are exploring all these issues that you and I are talking about.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
I remember like 20 years ago, bright-eyed, bushy-tailed, totally naive. I mean, still naive. But I was meeting with a general. And I said, God, it'll be so amazing. You know, this story is like so unifying and we had this kumbaya moment and we discovered that, you know, we're not alone in the universe. And wouldn't that be amazing? And blah, blah, blah. The implications for all of humanity.
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#2246 - James Fox
I saw that. I saw that. But did he say- Well, let's watch it. We'll watch it. We'll watch it. We'll pull the speech up. Yeah, because I'm wondering if he- Yeah, well, we're about to find out.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
No, no, no, no. This is all about exactly what we're talking about. This is something that I really need to put out there because it's very important. And it's an unprecedented effort spearheaded by this woman, Andrea, who runs a number of communities on Reddit. And she said that they're banding together for the first time ever to...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
It's the biggest grassroots campaign for government transparency. This is happening on Friday the 20th of December at 3 p.m. Eastern Time. And this has the potential to reach millions and millions of people. It's the most unprecedented event on Reddit in history. And I'll post all of the necessary information on X because this is a very grassroots effort. And what are they doing?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
at James C. Fox on X, formerly known as Twitter. The Reddit community is banding together for a huge grassroots campaign for government transparency. So basically all the various platforms on Reddit, like Paranormal, UFO, they don't usually get along too well, but they're all combining their resources and they're getting together for the first time ever.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
to push for government transparency there's a couple of government insiders that appear in my film that will be appearing on this to answer questions and what steps need to be happening what's going on today and and this is happening on the 20th of December 3 p.m. and I'll be posting more information the very specific details on X at James C Fox I just wanted to get that out there before because I
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
And he sat there almost chuckling at me. And he goes, looked at me and he goes, you got it all wrong, man. You know, you got to see this through our lens. I was like, through your lens? He goes, yeah, the military's perspective. I was like, OK, tell me. And I never thought about this before. You just mentioned it. He goes, okay, imagine this scenario.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
Yeah, well, I really encourage you to watch the program. I will, 100%. I went bent over backwards to put together and explain everything in layman terms, what's happened from 2017 to today, because it's unprecedented. We're living in an unprecedented moment in history. There's an unprecedented push for government transparency.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
And I want to continue supporting our elected officials' bipartisan effort to get to the bottom of this. And I especially want to throw a shout out to Representative Burchett because you're killing it, buddy.
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#2246 - James Fox
So tell me how that works. I don't know. We're going to find out. It's AI, right?
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#2246 - James Fox
We sit there and we say, you know, my fellow Americans, it has been brought to our attention that there are craft of unknown origin whizzing around with impunity in our airspace. They exhibit a technology that's light years advanced from anything that we have. We don't know who they are, where they come from, what they want. Shall they turn to be hostile?
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#2246 - James Fox
Try this. Is there a non-human intelligence behind... Listen, I think...
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#2246 - James Fox
We have no visible means of defense against them. Thank you and good night.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
I'm curious, what would happen if you asked chat GPT, is it? GPT. GPT, if what percentage of UAP represent a non-human intelligence?
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#2246 - James Fox
5% or 10% of UAP cases remain unidentified even after thorough analysis. These cases, I was like 15 to 20, but yeah, 5% to 10%.
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#2246 - James Fox
I asked the heads of Aero if they could explain that one, and they said no.
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#2246 - James Fox
Alpha Centauri, 4.3 light years away. Pretty close. Wow. But here's the crazy part. Pretty close. Remember the twin paradox theory? They say that if you get like two twins, right, as kids, say one's 10, they're both 10. Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
And you put one in a spaceship that travels the speed of light for one year, he would come back with an atomic clock on board that spacecraft a year old or he'd be 11 and his brother would be an old man. Mm-hmm. I can't wrap my mind around that.
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#2246 - James Fox
Yes! All you have to do is just say some bullshit like that. And then someone probably bends his ear when he gets into office and is like, yeah. A good speaker. About that disclosure.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
Right. So you go from here to here, but when you stretch it down, suddenly those two points connect.
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#2246 - James Fox
Was that by Hal Puthoff? I do not know. Because he's like a propulsion expert in terms of the propulsion behind, the physics behind UFOs. Yeah. And he tried to, I tried to get him to explain it to me in sort of conventional layman terms, and of course my tiny little brain.
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#2246 - James Fox
But he, I felt like I almost grasped it for a moment, but the amount of power that it would take to create that gravitational field. around the object. And he said, that's why you see them doing these maneuvers that look like it defy physics, right? And then everything inside the craft would just splatter. That you're immune from that on the inside, according.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
Right. You're somehow creating a field around you that's immune to whatever.
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#2246 - James Fox
I remember Kirk McConnell, who sent an armed service committee who investigated UFOs from 2017. I talked about him earlier. But he said that they were picking up – Aegis radar systems were picking these objects up from basically from space. And they were shooting down from space all the way down.
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#2246 - James Fox
They'd loiter for as long as they wanted to, go in the water, come back out again, shoot back up into space, and they would just do it like all day long.
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#2246 - James Fox
Yes. Because it's like, okay. And they're the size of SUVs.
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#2246 - James Fox
He is cagey about it. And he's got deals with the DOD and he's got satellites and everything.
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#2246 - James Fox
I heard from some people around him that because of his contracts with DOD that he kind of keeps quiet about it. I'm sure. Because everybody talks about, I mean, even Ratcliffe talked about the satellite imagery of UAP. I mean, if they're picking it up, why wouldn't his systems pick it up? He hasn't said a peep about the drone thing.
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#2246 - James Fox
Have you seen the program? No, I have not. Okay, so there is... Explain it to everybody. Okay, so the program, basically, it's funny because the last time I was on the show... We were talking about an alleged crash retrieval case that took place in Virginia, Brazil in 1996.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
So did you get the impression when you spoke to Elon about UFOs that he knew more than he was telling you? You said he's cagey?
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#2246 - James Fox
So if you bring up the Fravor incident, he'll just say, no, it didn't happen?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
I thought the first time I saw that, it was AI generated. It seems fake. I was watching the thing come down, and I just thought that's insane.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
Amazing documentary. So we're talking about that, and I came off the heels of doing The Phenomenon, which touched a little bit on a potential crash retrieval program, but then it was like... Then it was the crash retrieval over in Virginia, Brazil. And then I got hyper-focused on that. And then I had sort of... It was a personal journey for me was, okay... The elected officials, what do they know?
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#2246 - James Fox
I used to have a neighbor that worked for Elon Musk, and he drove a Tesla way early on when Teslas weren't that many out there. And I was like, whoa, you got a Tesla? He was like, yeah, I actually worked for Elon Musk, blah, blah, blah. And I saw him a couple years later, and I was like, hey, you're not driving a Tesla anymore. And he goes, no. He goes, I don't work for Elon anymore.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
I was like, oh, I'm sorry to hear that. What happened? And he goes... He goes, well, he works so hard, and his expectations are so high. He goes, I was at the hospital with my wife as she was giving birth to our first child, and Elon's like, I need you in the office. Oh, Jesus Christ. He said, he goes, you know, the guy's got an incredible work ethic, but it was too much.
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#2246 - James Fox
I think the closest thing to a spaceship on wheels is a Tesla.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
The acceleration is just... It's incredible. It's like a gut punch.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
I remember when somebody said to me, they were like, you know, step on it. You know, show me the acceleration. And I stepped on it. A Model 3 performance. And... It seems fake. I got nauseous. Yeah. I wasn't quite ready. I turned myself a little sideways or something. I felt nauseous. I was like, wow, I ride motorcycles. I would do all this. I was like, yeah.
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#2246 - James Fox
Yeah, I remember I got a ticket years ago on a motorcycle, and the guy that bought the bike had a loud exhaust pipe, which I ended up getting rid of. I didn't like the loud exhaust pipe. It's too loud. And I got pulled over, and the cop never even saw me. He just heard me, and he wrote me up exactly how fast I was going. He's like, you're doing 90 to 35. I'm like... I was?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
He was like, oh, yeah, I can hear you. I was like, I went up to the gears and I put it quiet. So, yeah, quiet is nice. Quiet has its benefits. Well, it doesn't in a motorcycle, though. You want to be loud so people don't hit you. That's true. I drive like the invisible man when I'm on a motorcycle. You have to. I've had people look me right in the eyes and they pulled right out in front of me.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
People want to. T-bone, side swiped. And also people are like. How many people are medicated? I don't think they see you as a threat. I think they see you as like, oh, you're almost like a gnat or something. I've learned, and I tell people that ride models, I've been riding bikes for 50 years. As soon as you get on that bike, you become the invisible man, right? Right. Pretend no one can see you.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
Pretend that no one can see you. You'll live a lot longer. You can make eye contact with somebody. It doesn't mean they see you. Right. I've had people pull out in front of me. Like I said, I've been T-boned and all kinds of...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
And when do they know it? Do we have a cash retrieval program? That's what I set out to do. And then three months after I was on your show in April of 2023, the highest level intel officer, David Grush, testifies under oath that there is a crash retrieval program and that the government does have definitive proof that we're not alone. So he kind of opened the door for me.
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#2246 - James Fox
Yeah, I know. I became a dad, and I had two motorcycles right before I became a dad, and I sold them. And then after 10 years, I was like, maybe I can get just like a dirt bike because I really enjoy riding. There's nothing like it, being on a motorcycle.
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#2246 - James Fox
It's nuts. Yeah. So let me ask your honest opinion. I know we're wrapping up here.
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#2246 - James Fox
If you had to say whether you believed or you didn't believe, and look, you can't make any definitive statements. I get that. But you're a very influential individual. who's done more for the push for disclosure. I hate to use the word disclosure. It's got a bit of a buzz, a bit of a connection to it. A push for government transparency on this topic, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
If you had to say something truly inexplicable that most likely would lead to NHI or non-human intelligence or not conventional, What would you pick ultimately that you think there is possibly a non-human intelligence behind this or that there is not? I wish I could be definitive like that. I know you can't be definitive. I don't.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
Well, how about if we take it up to a lot longer than that? What about the 1952, two consecutive weekends in July over the White House and the Capitol? And that was, we had a press conference about that. Sure. A guy in general that basically admit that they're real.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
And a lot had happened since the release of the phenomenon and moment of contact. There was all this legislation. There was the first congressional hearing. There was behind closed doors meetings with a number of intel officers and witnesses. And then you had the second congressional hearing, which was David Grush, which was absolutely phenomenal. I'm sure you saw that. Yeah. Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
Yeah, well, you know, I was in Africa investigating the alleged landing and close encounter of the third kind at Rua Zimbabwe Aerial School in 1994. I wasn't there in 94. I was there much later. And the teacher, Judy Bates, who's now the head principal, and she was sharing with me these drawings that children did of the alleged creatures.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
And they were amazing, these drawings, big eyes and big heads, almond-shaped eyes, blah, blah, blah. And I'm looking at these drawings, one after the other, from all these schoolchildren. It was phenomenal. No, I took photographs of them. And then a month later, I went to Australia, and I was investigating an alleged landing that happened at Westall Primary School in 1966. And that was incredible.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
I was there investigating, and I was showing some of the drawings of the alleged aliens that I just had investigated in Africa. And some of the people were like, oh, wow, these drawings are amazing. They look like the Wangina cave art. I was like, the what? The Wangina cave art, the aboriginals drew these things. And so they pulled it up, Wangina.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
And the parallel, they're thousands of years old, right? These cave paintings in Australia, the parallels, the consistencies, the comparison of the two is like phenomenal. Let's take a look at those real quick. Yeah. Let's look at that before we leave. Cave painting, UFO or alien.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
It's like... Yeah. It's very weird. And then there's that one with the big dark eyes right down. Just go straight down. Up, down. Yeah, right. To the right. Right there. Look at that. Very weird. Very weird. Isn't that crazy?
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#2246 - James Fox
4,000 years old, and I'm telling you, I could show you the drawings. One of the witnesses... Very weird. Yeah, it's just phenomenal.
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#2246 - James Fox
Awesome, brother. Appreciate you, James. Thank you very much. I appreciate you so much, Joe. Thank you.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
Yeah, and The Phenomenon. Yeah. I know what I saw out of the blue. Okay. 50 Years of Denial. Oh, my God, it goes back.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2246 - James Fox
I appreciate you very much. All right. Bye, everybody. Thanks, James.
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#2246 - James Fox
And then just recently, just a couple of months ago, we had the third congressional hearing, which I actually, funny enough, got to attend. It was the first time in my 30 years investigating. I was actually sitting behind people while they were testifying under oath. about legitimacy of the phenomenon as well as there's a crash retrieval program.
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582: COMPILATION: Pyramids, Mounds and Mountains
There has been controversy swirling around for decades as to some sort of secret underground potential alien base. So that's why I'm here to go and check out Mount Haze and see if any of the accounts over the last several decades are remotely true.