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Betrayal: Season 4

S4: EP 2 — Cat and Mouse

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My name is Dawn, and I'm a family law attorney.

Betrayal: Season 4

S4: EP 2 — Cat and Mouse

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I was shocked, absolutely shocked when I heard the news. For me to not even have an inkling of his other side, I guess, bothered me because I usually have a pretty good gut feeling about people.

Betrayal: Season 4

S4: EP 2 — Cat and Mouse

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The children are very proud of their parents' accomplishments. They really appreciated and respected what they did. That was part of their identity is that their parents were so great. So when this all happened, my inkling for the children was everything that they know, everything that they thought was good and pure or whatever, real, is not.

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We went to Little Chapel of the West, which is the historical, beautiful chapel there in Vegas. And Elvis gave me away. He said, this is your Priscilla. And he kissed me and then he gave me away to Wes. And then we went and did tequila shots in my wedding dress at Caesar's Palace. It was awesome.

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He quickly became their top producer, selling million dollars in investments a month, and their number one salesman.

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And he's like, let's look at houses. And we were looking at houses and I'm like, well, what's our budget? And he's like, well, no, we can put $100,000 down a house. And I'm like, oh, okay, that's nice. So we looked at this house on the golf course. It was beautiful, and we bought that. The cherry on top, they joined the country club.

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It was like if you were anyone, you were at Walnut Creek Country Club.

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Her and I became fast friends and then we got our husbands together and they became very good friends and they would golf together. We'd all travel together.

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And he took over as CEO. All of a sudden, you know, Wes was the president and owner. And then all of a sudden, I'm the wife of a man who owns the company. And I just was like, OK, here we go. This is awesome.

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I never really had to what for anything. Like if I wanted something, I would just say, hey, do you care if I get this? Or hey, I'm going to go to lunch today with some ladies.

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One day I'm leaving a doctor appointment and I get a phone call from the FBI. And they just say, hey, this is so-and-so with the Dallas FBI. Would you come in and talk to us about your husband? And I said, why? What about my husband?

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We were drinking a lot, partying. You know, my kids were with their dad every other weekend. And we're at the country club five nights a week.

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I decided that if he could do it in front of my face, at least I'd have control over it. So we started going to swingers clubs.

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There are actual bars in Dallas and they have their own little language. So you can know if other people go to these places, you just slip in some little language that only other people know. And then you know who you're talking to. The couple would agree on their boundaries beforehand. We can at least just be free. We can dance with each other and make out and do whatever we want to do.

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We don't have to talk to other people. And I would go and be like, okay, I trust you.

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I got to where I would wake up in the morning and be like, I can't do this. I'd be on my knees in prayer, you know, because we're like part of a church community too. We have this double life. And so I would be like, I can't do this.

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After one particularly bad fight, I lied to Wes and told him that I went and got coffee and was just trying to cool off. In reality, she drove to a friend's house to vent about Wes. And the coffee place, I did not know, was not open at that hour. So Wes was like, you're lying to me. And everything just blew up.

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When he came back home to pack a bag, he said, this is over. I want a divorce. And I remember begging him like, please don't do this. We can figure this out. Like, don't do this.

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I just want you to know he was not wearing his ring. Dawn was devastated. And Sandy was there to comfort her. And I remember my head was in her lap and I'm crying. And she's like, Dawn, this relationship, it's just too much. It's like a bomb fuse and it was bound to burn out.

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You know, we were all members of the country club. Her and I were on the committee at the country club together. So now that's outed, they're up there holding hands at the country club and everybody's talking, talking, talking.

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He comes and tells me that he filed for divorce and he put a restraining order on me to keep me out of his company. A restraining order? She didn't have anything to do with his company. I think I walked in the doors of his company maybe three, four times. Like I could count it on one hand. I didn't have anything to do with it. So telling me to stay out of the company, like that pissed me off.

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So Wes offered to make her a deal, to buy her off. He said, I will give you enough money that you can buy a house cash. I'll give you enough money for that. And I said, you were nothing when I met you. You were borrowing money from your mother living in my rent house.

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If you think you're going to replace me and my two girls with her and her two boys and you're going to give me money for a house and you're operating a multimillion dollar company, you can go fuck yourself. I go, that's not happening. When she didn't take the first deal he offered, Wes tried another one. He tried to start calming me down. He's like, we can work this out together.

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We'll use my attorney. He's like, I will sit down with my accountant. I will let you look at all the books. He goes, if you just calm down, he goes, you don't even have to come to the hearing. I'll take care of it. The restraining order will go away. She took that deal and she believed him.

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until I was at my second graders field day and one of the country club members, a man came up to me and said, I need you to know Wes is going around telling everybody that he got everything and that you're going to be out on your ass in a couple of weeks. He's just going to put you out and he has everything. Like you didn't show up to a trial.

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What he did was he walked in there and told the judge, my wife is a raging alcoholic. She's violent and abusive. She did not even care to be here today. And the judge gave him everything, everything. And I didn't know it. Now she was ready to burn it all down. I called him and I say, I'm getting an attorney. I don't trust you anymore.

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I remember Wes going, you hired the mayor of Mansfield? I'm like, you're fucking right I did. And that's when Wes let something slip. He starts freaking out. And in his panic, he did say to me, Dawn, don't get an attorney because right now things are in the gray at work. I'm trying to pull it up out of the gray area because I could go to prison.

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I should have stopped on that and double tapped into that statement.

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My mother's just a good little four-foot-nine Pentecostal woman, but she also doesn't mince words.

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And then I'm starting to go on the internet, looking up stuff about his company. The things that people are saying about his company, I'm like, I cannot get over this. Like, this is crazy. They're saying it's a scam and there's no return.

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I have a friend who works for the SEC. And so I called her one day and I said, I just need to vent about the stuff I'm finding out about his company. And she said, you're on my government issued phone. So anything you say. And I said, well, if your government oath trumps our friendship, so be it. But I think I need to tell you the stuff I'm finding out.

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We did start as a betrayal. There was a lot of people hurting us, and I was not always the innocent person. I did a lot of hurting.

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What I didn't know is he was already under investigation. So when she said that to me, that was her little under the table warning because there was really something going on.

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I'd gone to a doctor appointment and I was leaving the doctor's office and I get a phone call and it was, is this Don Harris? And I said, yes, it is. And they said, this is so-and-so with the Dallas FBI office. We'd like for you to come in. And I was like, excuse me? And they said, we have some questions for you. And I said, what kind of questions? What's this about?

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And they said, it's about your husband. Wes Harris. And I said, what about my husband? And they said, well, it's about his company. And I said, what about his company? Like, I don't know what I can tell you about his company. I don't have anything to do with this company.

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I called my attorney's office. The paralegal there answered the phone, and I told her the FBI just called me, and she said, you're probably being tapped. Don't talk to anyone. Come straight here. But almost immediately, Wes started calling. My phone's blowing up. Where are you? Where are you? So he tells me he's going to come by the house.

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And later that evening, he came by the house and he kept doing this really weird thing where he would talk to me and tell me he wanted to get back together. And then he'd drop his eyes and he'd get real close to me. And then he'd snap out of it and start talking again. And it was making me very nervous. And so we went from the kitchen into the living room and we both sat down.

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And that's when he looked at me and goes, why did the FBI call you today? And I went, I don't know. And he said, what did they want? I said, I don't know. They said they wanted to talk about you. And he said, well, you're not going to talk to them. I said, no, I'm going in to talk to them. And he wanted to send me with one of his attorneys. And I declined that. I said, absolutely not.

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I said, I'm not going with an attorney. I have nothing to hide. I don't need an attorney. I'm going to go in there and answer their questions. And he was trying to get me not to talk to them. But Don did talk with the feds.

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He was ballsy. He had a stripper on the payroll. He paid monthly, which I mean, you don't steal millions of dollars at like 35 years old without being super ballsy.

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I would look at things and be like, that was bought with stolen money. You know, like that's kind of hard to stomach when your whole life is bought with stolen money.

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I actually left church to meet my sister out on a Wednesday night at a bar, and there this man is. I saw him, and there was an instant attraction.

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Investors were calling me saying, I know your daughter's names, where they go to school. I know where you live. I gave him three quarters of a million dollars and he ruined my life and I'm going to ruin his. And then I was so panicked. I'm like, he doesn't even live here. Like we're separated. So now they know I'm alone.

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I had one woman who was really sweet. She called me, and she goes, we're a mom-and-pop place in New Mexico. She goes, we gave him all of our life savings.

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He had put me as the president. So I was the president of that until we split up. I had written checks out of that account, but just because he would tell me, like, write a check, and then he took me off of it, thank God.

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I was told that federal marshals were going to show up at my house and I would be able to pack a bag for me and my children.

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We could not have our divorce trial until the SEC was done because what was left over was community property. What they left me, basically. So I had to fight for that. He made me fight for that.

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She ended up finding me, reaching out to me because she had suspicions about him. She told me he had taken her to this seedy little place. Then there was like other couples that were like rubbing her back. And she goes, and then I blacked out. And I don't remember the rest of the night. And she said, Andona, I don't drink. Not that much. She goes, I maybe had two drinks.

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And she goes, I think you probably drug me. And I burst into tears. And I said, you just described the last year and a half of my life. Because that's what I would do. I wouldn't have that much to drink. But all of a sudden, I'm coming in and out of consciousness. And I'm seeing all this stuff around me, but you can't move.

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When I was saying that I couldn't do it anymore, that's when he started drugging me.

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There was times I pulled in my garage and shut the garage door and leaned the seat back because I knew that The government was about to come in and take my home and take all of my things and I was gonna have to tell everyone and I was gonna have to uproot my daughters and scare the shit out of them, right? And so I just wanted to die.

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I'm like, if I could just go to sleep right now, I wouldn't have to deal with this. I can remember shutting the garage door and leaning that seat back and sitting there. But I would see my daughter's little faces. They were like eight and 10. And I would turn the car off. I'd wipe my face. I'd go in the house and get it together.

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When he walked into a room, he commanded the room. I'd never seen anything like it. He was just one of those people, and he was paying attention to me, and I was like, whoa. And I had a little shirt that came right to the top of my high waisted jeans, you know, and I've moved in my belly showed and he reached and kind of like touched my belly.

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He had met a girl in Sunday school and he had convinced all of his family that he was innocent. If I was guilty, I'd be in prison by now. I'm going to sue the government and the SEC and all of them for falsely accusing me. I was told his mom had like second mortgaged her house. I was told that he had gone through this poor woman's savings or whatever. These are things, of course, I was told.

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But what I do know is that was starting to unravel.

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Our divorce was a trial because he was trying to fight me for everything the government left me with. So I had to get up on stand and testify. And of course, he pleaded the fifth to everything.

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He called me one day. He was really confused and sounded just really out of it. I'm like, just go serve your sentence. Go do your time. And in one breath, he said, I'm not going to prison. What do you mean? I'm innocent. And in the next breath, he'd say, you know what happens to men like me in prison, Dawn?

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And then he texted me one more thing, which is what we used to say to each other that meant I love you. We would always say one more thing. And he texted me one more thing. And I reached out to his first wife again. And she said, Dawn, he keeps doing this. Go to bed. Turn your phone off. The next morning, he killed himself. He was supposed to turn himself in that next day.

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He had come to an agreement with the FBI, and he was only going to serve, like, I don't know, five to seven years. I mean, this was 2012. He'd have been way out of prison by now. I went to the funeral. His grandmother, who I loved, and she loved me, she came up to me, and she asked me about the house and about me selling the house. I said, Dino, you don't understand.

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The government took everything. The government took that house. Like, I didn't sell any, like, I don't have anything.

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Well, he stole the money out of her account to buy the gun to kill himself.

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I got a couple. I got a couple.

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And I was pulling my shirt down and he's like, oh, don't pull your shirt down. That's sexy.

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What gets me the most is the betrayal to myself. Like, I don't know that woman. And thank God I don't know her anymore. I look back and how in the world, for 10 years of my life, this man was able to lie and manipulate. And I would lie and manipulate, you know, because again, we started out as an affair.

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But the biggest thing is just how I let myself get so wrapped up in that and the things that my children had to go through. They were 18 months and four when I met him.

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Being able to talk to other people and just be honest. has been very healing. Like, I don't hold back the fact we were in an affair. I don't hold back the people that I've hurt. You know, there was a lot of people hurting this, and I was not always the innocent person. I did a lot of hurting.

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to reach other people and let them know that you know there's a whole network of people out here that have been hurt but that you can go through these horrible things and it's not over and you can rebuild as many times as it takes just be honest with yourself like I like who I am today and I think it's because I didn't try to hide all of those mistakes

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We talked all night. We just stood in the corner of the club, like where people were dancing and drinking, just talking.

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He told me he was not married and that he didn't have any children, and I didn't believe that. I was like, that's bullshit. There's absolutely no way in hell that you're not married and don't have any kids.

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And then they went their separate ways. From then, we just talked every day. And we would meet out once a week.

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I just kept telling him, like, I don't believe you. Like, you might as well just tell me. Like, I'm married. I have a ring on.

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I was like, I knew it. Like, I knew it. Like, I don't know why you're lying to me. Thank you for being honest.

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I fell in love with you, and I just didn't know what to do with this situation. I didn't want to lose you, but I didn't want to disappoint my family.

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I knew what I was doing was wrong. I knew then that I had to start working towards dissolving my marriage.

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He could afford it. He told me, I have enough money to take care of you, so I want you to stay home. And he bought me a brand new 2004 Expedition. It was a $45,000 vehicle. So I quit my job.

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He moved me to this tiny little town of only a few hundred people with one grocery store.

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I wanted a Vegas wedding because it wasn't my first rodeo. I wanted Elvis to give me away. He wanted a minister.

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So I call Chaparral Steel. I gotta get hold of him. And I'm like, yeah, I need to speak to Wes. And they're like, we don't have anyone who works here by that name. And I'm like, what? Are you sure? And so Wes was his middle name. So I tell him like, sure, you don't have a, you know, like George Wesley Harris Jr. He's like, no. And I said, let me talk to HR. They put me on the phone.

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Like, they're like, we don't have anyone that works here by that name. And then everything in me just gets this pit, right? I'm like, oh my God.

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Her gut instinct told her to call his ex-wife. I looked at the phone and you know, when you're about to do something, you know, your whole life's about to go in a different direction. Like it's going to change the course of your life as you know it. It's kind of that moment. I called her and she's like, who is this? And I said, this is Dawn. This is Wes's fiancee.

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And she said, don't ever call this house again. And I said, wait, are y'all still married? And she goes, yes, we are. And we have been very much married for the last 10 years. Don't call this house again. She hangs up the phone. And I'm just standing there in shock because we're supposed to be getting married that month. And he's still married, living with her, telling me he's living with his mom.

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So then she calls me right back and says, well, I know where his heart is because he just left the house. And I'm quite certain he's probably on his way to your house. And she hangs up. Well, about five minutes later, he shows up at my door. She lived like 10 minutes from me.

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He moves me to this tiny town with one grocery store. At any point in time, I could have run into his wife and daughter at the grocery store and the daughter would have run up to me and been like, Dawn, she's a toddler.

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He told me he was really living with his mom now, so that came to fruition. He kept telling me, like, no one's ever been divorced in my family. I didn't know how to end the marriage. I want to be with you. Like, we can be together. We can fix this. But I was done with him. We separated. And then he had a nervous breakdown.

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Then he went into his first 72-hour hold in a mental institution for a breakdown.

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I just thought he's just conflicted. He doesn't want to hurt his family. I can love him through that. And it's going to be great once we get through this crap. And I just went to bat for him because I had given up so much.

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And finally, it was his wife that called me one day and he was in my living room and she said, is he with you? And I said, yes. And she said, he told me he hasn't seen you and hasn't been seeing you. I said, well, you know, we're still seeing each other. And she said, you can have him. I'm done.

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So he took the job. And it was that job that ended up being his downfall.

The Dr. John Delony Show

Dad Slept With My Wife’s Mom (It Ruined Everything)

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Well, I'm really grateful to be able to talk to you today. My question, I'll get right into it, is how can I leave my marriage without risking my newly sober daughter's recovery?

The Dr. John Delony Show

Dad Slept With My Wife’s Mom (It Ruined Everything)

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I realize that's worded kind of strangely. I guess the question really is, should I, I mean, I guess at this point I'm feeling like I really better not. Um, but I can give you a little background if that helps.

The Dr. John Delony Show

Dad Slept With My Wife’s Mom (It Ruined Everything)

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Uh, well, the, I want to emphasize that that really has nothing to do with the whole, um, last 10 years that our family and our daughter have been through. In parallel, our marriage has had problems. I've been married for 30 years.

The Dr. John Delony Show

Dad Slept With My Wife’s Mom (It Ruined Everything)

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I want to leave my marriage because I have things that I can't seem to get through or get over. And we're not talking adultery or abuse, just a lot of other things. And I feel like my husband is just extremely apathetic about the things that I think we would need to do to have a better marriage.

The Dr. John Delony Show

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He's looking at me and saying, I don't think anything will help. He said, I don't think you will ever get over the things you're upset about. And I don't see that there's anything I can do. But he doesn't take any steps to end the marriage. He doesn't take any steps to do the things that basically what I've been asking for is some intensive marriage counseling.

The Dr. John Delony Show

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And he just continually kind of fails to act.

The Dr. John Delony Show

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No, she does not. How long has she been sober? Only about four months. She's been through her entire adult life. I mean, in some ways, she's almost a 16-year-old, even though she's 28, because... She hasn't had any functioning adult life. She's been through just unspeakably horrific things for the last 10 years of her life. And so I, you know, she is the child of our... We have four children.

The Dr. John Delony Show

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She's the one who really deep down family has always meant the most to our family. our marriage, and if she detects that things aren't well, that's, I think, been more upsetting to her than the other kids. And that's why I kind of feel like I don't know that I can do anything. I mean, I just can't see risking her recovery. I mean, that means more to me than anything else.

The Dr. John Delony Show

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But I don't know if that's the right decision.

The Dr. John Delony Show

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Mm-hmm. Yeah, that makes, that makes sense.

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The things that, um, you know, the things that women generally end up needing to do to, um, maintain their using, uh, she's, I mean, she's been raped. She's had to prostitute herself. She's been chained up to a safe full of drugs in a garage. She's, you know, I mean, there's been horrible, horrible things.

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And when I think about what she's been through, I just don't want to do anything to shake how she's doing right now. The complicated thing, she is also pregnant right now. So she's got, you know, a lot of hard things coming up. I understand I need to separate, you know, my life from hers. And I actually do feel that I've done that very well over the last several years.

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But I also do feel a responsibility, I guess, in a way for... for what she's been through.

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Right. I mean, I don't feel like I'm being dishonest. I just feel like I'm failing. I'm just in limbo failing to act because I don't want to.

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I guess I have a hard time letting go of things that I'm resentful for, and I haven't been able to do that on my own. And I haven't been able to do it because my husband, when we talk, I don't really get an apology for things that have happened. I get defending of things that have happened, and then that kind of just perpetuates Yeah, but that's an invitation.

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Well, I know that in my head, but it's still there. I mean, I would love to let everything go.

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Okay. But how do I go forward? You know, if I, I've been just endlessly debating all this in my head for honestly years.

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No, it hasn't been very helpful. Well, I've actually gone to two different ones, one with him, one without him. The one that I have done a little bit with him and then met separately with this counselor as well. So he's been to therapy with you? Very minimally. And I've always had to make the appointment. I've always had to remind him of the appointment.

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And then he usually fails to act on whatever assignment we were given in the appointment.

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Yeah. Uh-huh, yeah.