Craig Robinson
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Good Hang with Amy Poehler
Michelle Obama
See, this is what I mean. You just quickly make me laugh. I only call her Mrs. Obama when I'm mad at her.
Good Hang with Amy Poehler
Michelle Obama
And I don't call her that. I don't even call her Michelle. I call her Mish.
Good Hang with Amy Poehler
Michelle Obama
We're 20 months apart. And let me – I wanted to back up and say, you know, every time we have somebody on our show, they're trying to figure out what to call her. And it's really entertaining to watch people either say Mrs. Obama or the First Lady or – Yeah. And she wants them to – she wants them to call her Michelle.
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Michelle Obama
I got that. But if anybody asks me, I always say call her Mrs. Obama. Yeah.
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Michelle Obama
I was the one. I was the one. And Mish always jokes about the fact that My mom lived in the White House. She went on all of these wonderful trips, state dinners and all that. And all she wanted to know is, when's Craig coming? It pisses her off. I love it.
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Michelle Obama
Well, we actually shared a lot. Oh, okay. We shared toys. We shared a bedroom.
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Michelle Obama
We shared a bedroom from— The time I can remember until I got to high school and my parents were like, all right, we got to get this big dude his own bedroom. But we used to have beds that the heads were head to head and there was a little table in between. And then when we got a little older, my grandfather built in the same room a paneled. So we had separate bedrooms.
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Michelle Obama
But it didn't go all the way to the ceiling so we could hear each other. And then we had a playroom in the front for the two of us. And we would spend hours at night just talking and laughing.
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Michelle Obama
Sometimes. Sometimes you do. But it is great being tall, except in a couple of situations like airplanes and buying clothes off the rack. Yeah. It's really hard. Yeah. But for the most part, it is. It's so good. It's so good. And you know what people do to you when you're tall? They assume you are in charge and are smart.
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Michelle Obama
But no, it's really fun. But I do, you know, every now and then I'd like a cute pair of shoes instead of a size 15. Yeah.
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Michelle Obama
15. It's embarrassing, but I'm used to it. I'm used to it. But if you notice.
Good Hang with Amy Poehler
Michelle Obama
When we sit together, you are taller than I am because my torso is very short. It's all legs. It's all legs. It's all legs. That's why the plane isn't.
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Michelle Obama
And, you know, some guy, I mean, if I could afford like one of those fancy sports cars, I wouldn't be able to fit in it.
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Michelle Obama
I've never heard that. And it's the funniest thing I've heard. That's great. I'm all legs, baby.
Good Hang with Amy Poehler
Michelle Obama
Yeah, so I was thinking about this because I watched your show and I was— Absolutely thrilled to be here. So I was thinking about what would be a good question for you to ask her? Because, see, my sister is when she gets asked a question, you ask her, what's the one thing? She gives you six things. I was like, we didn't ask for six things. Give us one thing. So maybe if you do it, she might obey.
Good Hang with Amy Poehler
Michelle Obama
I would say ask her, what is the one thing? That she would share with the rest of the world that our parents gave her. So let me rephrase it. What is the one thing that our parents gave you, Michelle, that you would like to share with the rest of the world? One thing.
Good Hang with Amy Poehler
Michelle Obama
You can say, see, your brother was right. He said you were going to give 15 things. You can make up whatever number feels good at the time. I can't wait.
Good Hang with Amy Poehler
Michelle Obama
No, ma'am. Are you kidding? She can't be coached. She's uncoachable. She's not coachable. No, I'm just kidding. The only time I coached her is when we were playing together.
Good Hang with Amy Poehler
Michelle Obama
Not only do you have good ideas, but he probably thinks he has good ideas. Of course. But he wants you to listen to his ideas.
Good Hang with Amy Poehler
Michelle Obama
Oh, listen. It was perfect yesterday. I was glad we were on set.
Good Hang with Amy Poehler
Michelle Obama
And there were four people left around and we were talking about something. And I said something to my sister. And as soon as I said it, she gave me a look. And then three minutes later, she said the exact same thing. Fortunately, our four...
Good Hang with Amy Poehler
Michelle Obama
camera people over there were cracking up because i was like i just said that yeah what is going on but she said it yeah it's a little that little sister thing but she will tell you that it was hard growing up being a little sister because she used to be craig robinson's little sister and now i'm michelle obama's big brother and it is way easier being michelle obama's big brother Way easier.
Good Hang with Amy Poehler
Michelle Obama
All legs, baby. All legs, Craig. All legs, baby, is here to be your older sibling if you need one.
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Michelle Obama
Well, Mish always wanted, she wanted like the Brady Bunch family.
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Michelle Obama
I was happy with the way our setup was. Yeah. But that was because I was the oldest and the favorite. Yeah, we're the best. We're not worried about the setup. But that's a great, that is a great take. I hadn't thought about that.
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I'm in control here. This is a perfect time to segue into our question. And our producer, Natalie, is going to read the question and then we're going to react to it.
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And I was going to go for a walk this morning, but I was so excited about our guest today that I was preparing all morning long. And we're going to be talking about dreams. And, you know, it made me think of when we were little, did you have a dream? Did you know what you wanted to do?
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Well, that is a lot. That's heartbreaking. That was heartbreaking. It is. And I'll open it up to you folks.
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I remember. You remember that? Oh, yeah. I was wondering if you remember because I thought you were going to say lawyer or something. I was going to say not.
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But yes, you wanted to be a pediatrician.
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So to not take this into a sports metaphor, which I get accused of all the time.
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It seems to me that in order to be really good at what you do and to be really good at what you do, you can't just, the goal can't just be the goal. You have to enjoy the process. Like guys who make it into professional athletics, they love to work out. They love to do the hard stuff. They love to get in the gym. They love to compete when nobody's watching.
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And that ends up turning into a guy like LeBron or like Michael Jordan. And what I'm finding is that people don't learn how to enjoy the process. Because Noelle's done all this great work that got her to where she is. And she should be loving the fact that she got there. And she can't because she got there and the goal was... I do the book, and then I get all of this.
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To your point, Kiki, I get all this stuff that's supposed to come with the book.
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So the problem with chemistry. few in science is you didn't like it because you were a good student in every subject.
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So I'm going to see if you remember this. The first thing I wanted to be wasn't an athlete, wasn't a coach. Well, kind of an athlete, but it was a race car driver. Do you remember that?
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And it seemed to us that he never missed work and he never got sick. But what we realized is that my dad didn't want to take his paid sick time because he wasn't sure if he would keep his job by doing that. And my sister and I realized that My dad would be sick, but he just thugged through it.
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No, no. It wasn't pilot because folks weren't on planes like that back then. Yeah, yeah. I wanted to be a NASCAR or IndyCar driver.
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It is. But do you remember how I got talked out of it by Mrs. Thompson, my second grade teacher?
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So... It was one of those days in school where you have to, she's like, all right, I want everybody to stand up and say what you want to be when you grow up. And people were like standing up saying they wanted to be a teacher and they wanted to be a fireman and they wanted to be a policeman. She gets to me and I said, I want to be a race car driver. And she was like, Craig Robinson.
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With all those brains, all you want to do is be a race car driver?
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Thompson. And she shamed me out of it. See, that's what I'm talking about. But as it turned out, you grow to be 6'6", you can't be a race car driver, right?
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She didn't know it.
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Thank you.
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Well, they make a good living. But, you know, they're mostly... Most of those guys have to be engineers. They have to be really good, to your point, math, science, figuring things out. So it...
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And I love Miss Thompson. You know, she was one of my favorite teachers, but she talked me out of my first dream.
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Absolutely. Absolutely. And it's okay to want to be three or four things too.
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Yeah, well, you know, I always thought mom and dad did a terrific job because they never said you should be this or stick with this. They just said, whatever you decide, just work hard at it. Just work hard. It was like schoolwork. You don't have to get the best grades as long as you work hard.
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And typically when you worked hard, you got the results you wanted. And that was advice that I've carried with me through a bunch of different machinations and jobs. And I never set out to be a basketball player. But I digress. I want to bring out our guest who is an Emmy Award winning multi-hyphenate entertainer, an actress, a musical artist, a producer, a host of her own podcast, and an author.
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But most importantly, she is the favorite game show host of the Robinson household. Because, you know, we play some Password in our house. You come to our house, you got to be ready to play some Password. So, Kiki Palmer, will you please come on down?
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It's so good to see you. Thanks for being here.
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The password is. Yes.
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When we play, we say it like that. And the password is. You've done better than, who was the guy, Alan Ludden? It was the original.
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Yeah.
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So I was telling our producer, Natalie, there's only two, we have at home, we have four kids, but only two at home.
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14-year-old and a 12-year-old. So sitting down and watching TV is gone by the wayside. But there's two things we watch, Password and Dateline.
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That'll get you into it.
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You can teach some life lessons with Dateline.
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And if Kiki's from Robbins, she can handle herself.
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You can handle yourself. We know that.
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Well, hello.
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How are you?
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as i mentioned earlier in the episode this time on my trip to washington dc i didn't stay at my sister's place i stayed at a wonderful airbnb the place was fantastic my sister is not very happy with me but they Being at my own place, I can cook for myself when I want to. I actually boiled a few eggs for myself. I can have a beer, put my feet up.
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Even though I didn't stay at your place last night.
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I can take a shower and come out of the bathroom with my towel around me and not necessarily have to get dressed right away. But I think that from now on, when I come to D.C., I'm going to stay in an Airbnb to my sister's chagrin. Thank you so much for having me. When Kelly and I got married, we were thinking, what's the best way to lay a foundation for our new family?
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To this day, whenever my sister and I catch the scent of Pine Sol, we automatically feel better about life. The smell of Pine Sol has always taken us back to our childhood home. It is amazing how smells can transport you to a place or a moment in time. Another smell that takes me back is cherry blossoms, which always remind me of visiting Michelle in D.C.
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Let me tell you. I would normally stay with my sister, but this time I stayed at a really nice place.
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And I didn't. But I had to do it. Mom wanted us both to know how to have a clean bathroom. But my every weekend job was cleaning those stairs.
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We had 14 stairs. Notice I remember how many there were.
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I know, I know.
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That... Went from our apartment down to our great-aunt Robbie's apartment. And this is what I remember about Saturday morning.
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You remember that tin pot that we used to have? We had a tin pot, a pot now that used to be on the stove, which was now used for cleaning. And you put a little soap, dish soap in it. And then you put pine salt in it.
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And there was nothing like that smell. Like when you came home from school and mom had been mopping and you could smell the pine salt. It was usually Monday because she had laundry on Monday. You come home from school and it smells like... New house.
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And I have to say that I, still to this day, when I'm mopping... If we don't have that pine oil smell.
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I am, I am. Well, how excited are we?
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That's it, isn't it?
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And here we are in adulthood and they're a partner of ours on this podcast.
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But what we realized is that my dad didn't want to take his paid sick time because he wasn't sure if he would keep his job by doing that. And my sister and I realized that My dad would be sick, but he just thugged through it. It was a difficult thing for him to deal with then, and unfortunately, so many Americans still face this pressure today. 27 million Americans still lack paid sick time.
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Well, folks, I'm going to get right to our guest because we want to bring her out because this is one of those. And I am a huge fan and I've got goosebumps.
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which causes them to have to choose between losing a day's pay and getting the proper rest they need in order to get better. And what's worse, this all-too-common issue disproportionately impacts lower-income individuals.
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Learn more or help someone apply for the fund at theraflu.com slash right to recover. Well, Taraji, what you just said about being burnt out, I hear my sister talk about that. Now, I didn't hear my mom talk about that, but I want to dig deeper into that a bit. Where does that start? Do you think you were trained to take on all of these things, or did you develop that because you just—
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Out of necessity to be excellent because we have to be so much more, we have to be so much better than most to get where we want to be. Or is it innate just in our culture because where we have been because of... and it was really the Black woman who had to protect the family because the Black man was getting sold all over the place. Where do you think that comes from, from you?
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And then I want to hear where it comes from.
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I did. For this one.
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See what happens when you try and clean yourself up. Your sister takes full advantage. But our guest today is none other than Taraji P. Henson. My girl. And she is an Academy Award nominated actor, producer, and number one New York Times bestselling author, mental health advocate, and entrepreneur. Yes.
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Well, if we knew, I think we would care. If we knew.
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If we knew.
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Yeah, she's starring in Tyler Perry's Straw on Netflix, which I watched the trailer. And I was crying on the trailer.
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Taraji, she'll do that to you. She does it to you. She does it to you.
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Less light.
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Not liked. Light.
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She's also the founder of the Boris L. Henson Foundation, named after her father. which works to enhance access to mental health services within Black communities. She has also launched TPH by Taraji, a line of spa-inspired products and is the strategic advisor for Seven Daughters Moscato.
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Well, speaking of taking care of ourselves, and we like to think of IMO as sort of therapy for the folks who aren't quite there yet. And in that vein, I'd love to get to our listener question from Shante from North Carolina.
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Well, I know this hits both of you in a different way or in a similar way.
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Yeah. How have you shared this with your young son? And I say young because 30 is still young.
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Do you encourage him to therapy? Because I'll tell you, you know how black men are. We ain't really feeling the therapy thing.
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Oh, that's great because we need to educate our young black men that therapy is a good thing.
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Yes.
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That's right.
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Are you kidding me?
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I've been talking to Misha about this. Opting out might be, that's a great prognosis or a great suggestion or strategy for folks who are feeling the way we're talking about here.
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You Need to Learn to Say No (Even to an Inauguration) with Taraji P. Henson
You had socks walking to the car?
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I love that. So now let's think back to what you know now. You go back to your younger selves. Besides just saying you got to say no earlier, what are you telling your younger self so that you can start this work earlier?
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Okay.
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Okay. Okay.
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Yeah. Yeah. And what kind of strategies are you learning that we can help Shante with or that have helped you learn?
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You Need to Learn to Say No (Even to an Inauguration) with Taraji P. Henson
Bathroom reading for us.
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You Need to Learn to Say No (Even to an Inauguration) with Taraji P. Henson
Wow. And what you're doing is doing what you love doing for yourself.
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See, this is why I got down.
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You Need to Learn to Say No (Even to an Inauguration) with Taraji P. Henson
Do something. Okay. Any suggestions, my dear? Just a couple.
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You know what I mean? Because we as guys are trying to help, but we don't know how to help. We can barely get ourselves to therapy, right?
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And we're trying to thug our way through this by, I'm here for you, but I don't know what to do. Sometimes just saying that. So fix me breakfast.
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It doesn't apply, but for the brothers out there, if you can do... He did say the Airbnb, he washed the dirty uniforms.
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It's nice of you to remember that. No, this has been extraordinarily helpful for me as a man to hear you all be so vulnerable and so authentic with this, so...
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And the help you need.
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Right. Right. No, I get it. Yeah. So this has been some heavy stuff. I would like to know, how do you spend your leisure time? Like, what does Taraji P. Henson do when she... Are you in your toy room?
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You Need to Learn to Say No (Even to an Inauguration) with Taraji P. Henson
When you're not in the toy room. Do you watch anything? Are you reading anything? What are you doing?
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You Need to Learn to Say No (Even to an Inauguration) with Taraji P. Henson
The most intellectual women that I know, my sister, my wife, my daughter, now you all watch this stuff and I am...
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But that's reality TV now.
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There's a lot of drama.
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You Need to Learn to Say No (Even to an Inauguration) with Taraji P. Henson
I think people manufacture beef. Well, you don't know. They manufacture.
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You Need to Learn to Say No (Even to an Inauguration) with Taraji P. Henson
It feels like chaos. It feels like chaos. Well, there is chaos. Because there's chaos in friendships.
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You Need to Learn to Say No (Even to an Inauguration) with Taraji P. Henson
Okay, I brought this on myself here. I brought it on myself.
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You Need to Learn to Say No (Even to an Inauguration) with Taraji P. Henson
Well, before we end up, and this has been just tremendous, and I want to thank you, but before we end up, I'd like to... To give Shante just, I want to recap the strategies because we hit on some good stuff. Yes. The saying no and the find some therapy somewhere. And your points, your many points, but...
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And that was the one that really stood out to me is... You're not just going to automatically feel happy once you say no. You got to keep working.
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You Need to Learn to Say No (Even to an Inauguration) with Taraji P. Henson
But both of you all said, but after you learned to say no, you realize the world keeps turning. Yeah, absolutely. So once you start to feel comfortable saying no, things are going to reconfigure. And then finally, and this is just on my mental list of the things that I thought were really good outside of getting your men to go ahead and get in therapy was the...
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I liked the rejiggering your neurons in your brain.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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You Need to Learn to Say No (Even to an Inauguration) with Taraji P. Henson
Well, you know, I'm a trained athlete, so I'm different. But when you said that, you know, I'm trained, you know, I never think of that with non-athletes. Right. And that is, it's a real skill. It is. But I'm just sitting here getting nervous because every time I watch you on the screen, I feel something.
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emotionally. And I just want to thank you for that because it is a, I mean, just, I'm thinking about, you know, Benjamin Button. I'm thinking about Proud Mary. I mean, Proud Mary, well, you know, I still have a 15 year old and a 13 year old.
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I'm so excited.
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You Need to Learn to Say No (Even to an Inauguration) with Taraji P. Henson
So that, That hit me. I will let my kids watch R-rated movies if you're in them.
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You Need to Learn to Say No (Even to an Inauguration) with Taraji P. Henson
I'm doing my thing. I'm staying in an Airbnb again. I tell you, every time I stay in one, it makes me want to stay in one wherever I go. The boys have a tournament coming up in a month or so. And rather than staying in a hotel, we're going to get an Airbnb so we can do all of our own cooking and washing of dirty uniforms.
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Me either.
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You Need to Learn to Say No (Even to an Inauguration) with Taraji P. Henson
You see what she did? I'm sorry. She said, we have that too. And then she looks up at my head. Well. That's what happens. That's what happens. That's why we're doing this show.
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It was perfect timing. You know I'm the older brother. You know that, right?
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So I'm really excited.
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You Need to Learn to Say No (Even to an Inauguration) with Taraji P. Henson
I am, I am. Quite impressed. I absolutely have enjoyed my time because, you know, I was always Mr. Hotel. You were. Points and... All that stuff.
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Acting.
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Right, right.
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You Need to Learn to Say No (Even to an Inauguration) with Taraji P. Henson
And that's not the case for many Black actors, I would imagine, right?
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Yeah.
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You Need to Learn to Say No (Even to an Inauguration) with Taraji P. Henson
Yeah. Yeah. Well, another story I think about is, how mom and dad trained us to work hard. Do you remember the chores?
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You Need to Learn to Say No (Even to an Inauguration) with Taraji P. Henson
Real work. Real work around the house. And what I mean by real work is I had... My chores were to clean the bathroom,
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You Need to Learn to Say No (Even to an Inauguration) with Taraji P. Henson
What are you talking about? We alternated. We alternated weeks.
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Be a Different Kind of Leader with Brian Chesky
So now you've got... You got this place now, Airbnb, which I have gone from being a hotel guy to an Airbnb guy, just so you know. Tell us what's new, what's going on at Airbnb these days.
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So I was telling Mish, I got a chance last night to experience the services part. A chef... came to the Airbnb that we were at and we had this wonderful six-course meal with a French chef and his sous chef. And he made... a wonderful meal that was capped off with my favorite dessert because my birthday's coming up. And it was a lemon meringue pie made with lemons that he grew in his own garden.
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So I've had a little taste of this and I was blown away.
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Now that we've launched this podcast, we've been getting some great questions from listeners. And a listener who just ironically named Brian has a question. And we now have our listeners ask the actual question. So let's take a listen to Brian's question. How do you think social media can play a constructive role in society?
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We're finally getting rid of it. And the boys, Austin and Aaron, who are 15 and 13, heard about Avery and Leslie learning how to drive on that car. And they wanted to drive it before we got rid of it.
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They feel like they came after all the good stuff.
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They did. They did. We'll have to spend some time talking about the stuff they missed.
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Well, I'm excited because today we have our first really sort of tech expert.
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Oh, that's a huge compliment.
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I'm just so glad to hear you say that because you remember our dad used to say the same thing. He used to say, if you're chasing money, you're going to lose whatever little happiness you have. And he was a guy who had nothing. So nobody believed him because he didn't have money. So I really appreciate you being so open to talk about that.
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Loneliness.
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And I want to know someone in your shoes who like everybody's looking at Brian Chesky. Okay. He's got money. He's happy. He's got a company. How did you combat that loneliness with all the expectations of being, you, you, you, you can't be unhappy.
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Well, let me give him a little bit of an introduction. Brian Chesky is the co-founder and chief executive officer of Airbnb. And in 2007, Brian became Airbnb's first host. But you know what's cool about that?
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Can I make a reckless speculation here? Because I'm sitting here listening to Brian. So this is my first time listening to Brian. And I want to go back and I'm in my mind. I'm trying to figure out what makes him different. What do I see here that's making him different? The same questions you're asking.
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Wait, listen, he's still a host.
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And can I even speculate that most people don't know this about you, but I did in doing my research that Brian grew up a hockey player, right? Yeah, that's right.
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It doesn't all come down to sports, but just let me finish. Being an athlete, you know, you're naturally... So you've been raised as a team player. Yes. Here's the reckless speculation. I'm not sure that your brethren in tech... had that same experience. And could that be a reason why you take a more humanitarian look at technology when the others don't?
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We will talk about that. We have to figure out how we can sign up for that. And since then, Brian has overseen Airbnb's growth. to become a community of over 5 million hosts across 240 plus countries and regions. So without any further ado, welcome Brian. Here he comes.
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I agree. Yeah, I agree with you, Michelle. I don't think it's a soapbox. I think you're absolutely right. But hope has to also be paired with, for these 20-year-olds to know to go forward, we have to be intentional, to use you all's term, about training them as parents. I agree with that. Right? I think what we cannot do
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And... That is why I'm so happy we're doing this and have you on here because I don't know that parents are equipped.
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She just inserted herself. Just inserted herself.
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Oh, Mish, come on. I mean, no. I want to know.
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As your new mentor brother-in-law. Yes, thank you. You do not have to answer this question.
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So this is what happens when you have a good guest that you know, right? Because... You guys have come up with these takeaways for the other Brian that I didn't have to say, okay, what are the takeaways for Brian? But I wrote some down here. First of all, there's too much reliance on social media, all right? So we have to be more intentional at… Not relying on social media as much.
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Yeah. Well said. And then here, this is what I like. Most of life, you have to do in the real world, not on your device.
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It's just such... Simple but profound advice. And then finally, Mish, you said you have to be comfortable living with some obstacles. And we are trying to avoid that. Is there anything else that we need to share with Brian to help him?
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Anything to add, Brian?
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Well, Brian, you have been incredibly gracious with your time and your insights and taking abuse about your dating life from my sister.
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No, work in progress.
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But we really appreciate you being here with us.
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You know, you can tell her to stop. You can. She's not the first lady anymore.
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Oh my God.
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Good. Mish, how you doing?
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But now you've given the whole world an idea. Gee whiz. Wait, so Barack has actually tried to fix you up. Is he any good at it?
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I was going to say you look refreshed.
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I coached at Brown, for those of you who didn't know that. And RISD was right down the hill.
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Yeah, you're coaching, still doing all this stuff deep into the... I'm still coaching and still parenting and all that kind of stuff. So I should look haggard. But I am always so excited to do this with you.
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Was there actual cereal in the boxes?
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Yes. Oh, this is a good story. So you remember the green car?
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It's a 1999 GMC.
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Well, you know, I'm my dad's kid. There's no need to get a new car when your old car is running perfectly. Well, we're finally getting rid of it.
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clean the bathroom?
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Okay. Because I loved cleaning the bathroom.
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Yeah, yeah. That's one of the reasons why we like it there. I get it, I get it. I mean, you get pretty good weather. You get all seasons, but the summers are hot and swampy. So it's good to be in L.A., and it's good to be with you.
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Oh, that's right. Yeah.
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Yeah, you had to. Yeah.
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Ooh, I like pine salt.
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That's it.
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That's it.
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You know, an appropriate partner.
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But today we've got, you know, we're talking about some tough stuff.
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We've been dealing with.
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Just to give listeners some context. So we grew up in a multi-generational household. You know, Robbie was our piano teacher. She was like the piano teacher for the entire neighborhood. And Uncle Terry was kind of this distinguished gentleman who, one thing stood out with Terry, is like every day he wore a suit.
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And they've talked that it's different from like, some people think puzzling and things like that, but they're, they're learning that that's not necessarily the same thing as learning a brand new skill.
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The only thing, I wish that worked with voting. Yeah.
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yeah and i'm not to not to bring us down you know that was the hope lauren does he make you call him dr rogan exactly only sometimes yeah so what do you what do you teach it what do you tell us to teach us something well again i think for the moment lauren's talking about sleep is actually one of i think the things that especially in like our culture like
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What a terrible phrase. And you're frying your brain in the process. Yeah.
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I'm a big fan of sleeping. Oh, it's great. Bedtime is my favorite time of day. That's like Lauren.
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Yeah. She wants to pretend like she's not here.
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And suspenders.
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With a brimmed hat. He would wake up every day and shave. He was very regimented. You know, he would eat prunes every day. I remember that distinctly. Stewed prunes. Right. Didn't know why. Now, as I get older, I understand the stewed prunes situation.
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And thank you again for the animated film.
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But just setting the stage for as he aged. And he lived into his 80s. 80s. And both he and Aunt Robbie started to age as we grew up and became, I think it was by the time we were in eighth grade. It seemed like middle school age when Terry really started exhibiting signs of dementia. Yeah. it came in the form of nighttime just confusion.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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So the things that we remembered growing up was always at night because sometimes he started getting up and walking and reliving things. And at first I thought it was nightmares.
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Thank you.
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But realize that he would get up in his pajamas and leave the house sometimes with no shoes. Yeah. And, you know, and then the search would be on. Where is Terry? You know, he got out and Aunt Robbie was getting older, so she didn't know what to do. So our parents, our mother and father essentially became caretakers for them.
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And looking back, they were in that sandwich generation where they had young kids that they were raising, not a lot of resources, two really wonderful people who were aging right before their very eyes. My mom, who was staying at home, was, you know, she would take care of Robbie, bathe her, organize her food. Dad would take care of Terry, make sure that he was still shaven.
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Well, and you have the vision of what your life, how's it going to end?
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It was really a sweet image to have our father, who himself was disabled.
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She's not the same person.
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Well, it's a loss.
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It's a huge loss that you face every day. Every day. And it's, you know, harder than actual death because, you know,
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Right there every day, you know, reminding you, I'm here, but it's still a loss. I'm just curious in your therapy and support groups, is there a way to talk about that, you know, with Nick's dad? Does it help to equate it to a death that, you know, if she were actually physically gone—
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Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
He would be able to give himself the permission to move on with life and to take the steps to keep living himself.
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Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
Yeah, the word acceptance strikes me. A part of this is the acceptance can lead to really dealing with the grief and the loss. And then maybe for Nick, there's a chance to find the laughter in it. Yeah.
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Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
Well, they made it look easy, our parents did, in this multi-generational household. But now as we're adults and look back, I mean, we just went through caring for mom. And she fortunately never went through any dementia, but she got to the point where just sort of physically she needed more care than she wanted.
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Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
Yeah. I mean, I shared that, you know, when mom was going through it, I hadn't shared with anybody because I was young when she was taking care of our elderly great aunt and uncle. I was in grammar school, you know, just sort of prime time. And my mother was absent. And I resented it. Yeah. And I didn't resent her, but I resented the situation. Yeah.
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Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
Because, you know, here I was, and maybe because Craig was a little older and in high school probably at the time. Driving and sort of independent.
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Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
it upturned our household. So I shared that because for Nick, he's got to think about his future, his family's future, the toll this is taking on his child. And that's not the example of aging. No.
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And I've got this nice ceramic bong that'll help you out there.
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Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
And just the anxiety that comes with that, you know, just realizing that that's what mom and dad were dealing with, with no money, you know, needing to work every day. And I can tell you, we never talked about this, but I did feel a little like lost. Because I felt like I didn't have mom's attention, you know, in a way.
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Well, and if you talk about brain health, your brain health, you know, when there is a genetic, you know, predisposition, it becomes increasingly more important for the family members of people with Alzheimer's to focus on self-care for their longevity. Oh, yes.
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Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
Depression is not good for the brain. Depression and sleeplessness and being distraught and upset, not taking the time to get the sleep blanket and the cold sheets and the meditation and all of it. It's just the irony of this disease that you may be closely linked to it because of the genetic DNA, but that means that you can't lose yourself. No, yeah.
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Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
In the caretaking because you need to focus because there is prevention. Totally.
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Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
There are things you can do.
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I didn't want to say that out loud, but I know when I think back on it, I felt, wow, she was exhausted. And I felt her exhaustion in the form of... Like, she wasn't there for me in the same way. You know, she would cook dinner, but then she'd have to go down and do something for Robbie. Or at night, she couldn't sleep because Terry would get out.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
And as he said, she thinks he's an asshole.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
Nick, we think you're wonderful. So take your wife out.
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Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
Well, you guys are doing some great work. And, you know, thank you for sharing. Thank you for the investment that you're making. Thank you for your vulnerability and your honesty. Because that's also, you know, normalizing the issue as much as it is not normal and will never feel normal. But talking about it and letting people know that they're not alone. And again, you know, I just want to say...
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Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
Let's not be afraid of humor in the midst of this. Absolutely. That's why it's Hilarity for Charity.
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Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
And safe travels. Yeah, be well.
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It just, you know... I think now that I look back as a kid, I felt that loss.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
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This episode is brought to you by Cologuard and Pine Solve. Hey, you. Hi, Craig.
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Well, so many families, and we're going to talk about this more, are in that same kind of crunch with aging parents, young kids. Yeah.
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Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
a sort of health care community that isn't really you know prepared um to support families in this process and you know we we are going to spend some time talking about that more today yeah and we have the perfect couple to help us with that we've got uh seth and lauren rogan
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Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
Hey, guys. Welcome to the...
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Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
I'm doing pretty good.
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Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
met or no not really to spend time together and you know i i'm a fan thank you me too but it's just sort of amazing to you know know that people we see and come to love you know to hear about their lives outside of the work that they do and the things that make them famous and You know, our topic today, Alzheimer's, aging parents. I mean, you guys have lived it.
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And, you know, in addition to all the things you do in the business, you know, you're making a difference in people's lives. And so I just am grateful for the work that you do and just thankful that you guys are here to share some of that with us.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
It's so beautiful out here.
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Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
You're working on some good fun stuff lately.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
Good weather. Coming from, it's like, East Coast doesn't, you know, weather's a little chilly.
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Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
What made you decide that animation was a good way to go?
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And how was it for you guys in the process of making it? Did it take you back? How did you manage just getting through the project emotionally?
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Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
But we don't talk a lot about Alzheimer's. And as Craig and I were sharing earlier, like growing up, we didn't even have a name for it. You know, we just sort of, Terry got out. Yeah. You know, that's what it was. And eventually, our grandfather rigged the house with buzzers and locks.
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Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
You know, so it became less a discussion about the disease or the issue because it wasn't known as a disease and it was just the process of containing him.
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I know, but when you live in cold weather, you know how in Chicago, if it's been zero degrees or below zero, 40 people are like going to the beach. It's like 40 degrees and people are like, it's hot out here. So I feel like I've lost my cold weather edge.
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And I just want to, Lauren, how old were you when she was first diagnosed? I just wanted to get a sense of where were you in your life when you started losing your mom.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
Caretakers Need to Care for Themselves with Seth and Lauren Rogen
Oh, yeah. We had chores very early on. Very early on. That's another thing, I think. One of the best things that our parents did for us is... Real work.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
Oh my gosh.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
I'm so happy that I did not go to dinner last night. I left here.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
Just to be able to chill in my Airbnb in West Hollywood and... Guess who visited me this morning to do their laundry? Who? Leslie. My daughter's in town here and she came over to bring her laundry to do.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
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No, I was going to say, so it's a generational thing. So it didn't matter how you met them or is it just kind of the guys you're meeting?
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
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So you're meeting folks in the wild then?
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Because she works out every day.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
So she had a whole bag full of gym clothes and underwear and stuff and just put it in. And I was like, yeah, come on over. And then we had breakfast and... And then she went to meetings.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
Well, this is a good segue to get to our question, especially the talking about dating and meeting people. And we have a great question. So Natalie, our producer, is going to read the question for us. Make sure your mic works over there. Is it working? I think we're good. All right. Yeah, we're good.
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And I think she's going to come stay with me tonight.
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Since you don't get to do it.
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And so are our kids. Avery and Leslie and Emily and Elena, they have no qualms about it. Let's go. Let's find a place.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
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My technique for the second one I thought was pretty good.
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Can I give you just a little bit of a different thought process behind it?
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Imagine as a 17-year-old and you're walking into a sock hop, which I just use for effect, but a dance, a party.
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What are your socks have to do with anything? But we used to have these sock hops. It's a school dance. It's a school dance. So imagine you're 17 years old and there's a bunch of girls in there and you go ask somebody to dance. And they say, no, thank you.
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And then you go to ask the next person and they say, no, thank you.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
But that's how it was.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
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That's how it was. So the question you have to ask yourself as a guy is, do I just take what I have or do I take the chance of asking the next person and they say no?
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That's real. That's real.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
Yes.
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And I find I've gotten to like it now. So, you know, I was a strictly hotel guy. Yeah, yeah. Maid service every day. I wanted to be able to go down to the bar and not have to drive anywhere. I wanted all that stuff. But then the amenities of having your own place that's like a house and you can sort of live the way you normally live is much more appealing.
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I don't necessarily agree with that. And I also would say as a boy or a young man, if a woman walked across the floor and asked me to dance, it was no way I was going to say no.
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So let's help Ron. What are some of these questions he should be asking himself? Oh, that's a good one.
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No, I would not do that.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
You have not been displaced.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
You have not been displaced. It's, you know, but. You might want to come visit me every now and then now when I'm in town.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
That's right. All right. So this is perfect. So how do we help Ronan become a better... a better subject for women, how do we help him make himself into a more attractive... Well, I think he sounds like he's attractive.
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So what I'll say... But it's not sticking.
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I agree with you not agreeing. You know what I mean?
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It wouldn't mess up my mojo. It might mess up the owner's mojo.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
And so I'm going to— That is a nice, cold-blooded nut right there.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
It's Mr. Nice Guy.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
Well, maybe.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
I bet. He's still trying to figure that out.
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Yes. Yes.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
So we're talking about dating today.
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I am a boss.
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You'd sign up for it.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
That's the reality of it.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
It is good. That's a great question.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
It might help Ronan.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
It might help Ronan.
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And me. Yeah, I'm trying to remember what they were. What was item 30?
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I guarantee you Kelly still has the list.
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Oh, that's fantastic.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
We should get her on the phone. It was significant. But she has this one thing that I didn't have on my list, but I would put on my list now is, are you comfortable with me being able to stand alone in a room?
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And, you know, when we were preparing for this, I was asked the question, when we were younger, did we talk about dating? And I have to say, I don't remember talking about dating much at all when we were younger. Right.
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Are you comfortable with me being able to stand alone in a room? So to your point, you have this full life and you have this aura about you that if we're going somewhere, and the same with you, we go into a room, we might not be right next to each other.
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We're not going to be couple to couple. Are you okay with me standing alone? Because I can stand alone. I was like, oh, okay.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
That was one of her questions to me. That's a great question. That was the one that was not a category.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
Can you stand alone? That's a good question. It's so important to me, especially the way my family is, for you to be able to stand alone. So that's a great one.
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And then there were sort of- That's a really good one.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
And then the one that we spent the most time on were, what are your deal breakers? What is it that you can absolutely not stand so I can make sure that none of them are like my favorite thing to do?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
I am a boss.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
And then he's running away going, I don't know.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
Ronan. That's a good way to think about it.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
And the one thing, to bring it back to Ronan, Is it actually better for Ronan to learn more about himself by not dating than dating a whole bunch of people? Because in the question, he's asking the question, should I just not date Ronan?
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Yeah, but I didn't have much business. I mean, just think about it. I had to be fixed up on my junior prom. I mean, I didn't have any, I don't remember having real girlfriends until I got to college.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
It was it was a pattern or a strategy. The strategy is you go to college, you find a job. have some single life, and then you get married. And I was just sort of checking off the, I was following a strategy. And that's just not, I don't want Ronan to do that.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it really was. Too much time in the gym and focused on my schoolwork. And then I just wasn't the dating type.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
And then he's running away going, I don't know.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
Absolutely. Because... It sounds like the list was my list, but the discussion that it brought continues to happen to this day. That's what's so beautiful about it because I can tell the growth comes because when we go to dinner on our date nights- We're talking as if we had just met. Like, we are always talking. And so, I've just gotten better at being in a relationship.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
That's why, in our opinion, in my opinion, the show is like... Let's teach everybody how to get better at this.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
Perfect time to give Ronan some takeaways. Okay.
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Come on, coach. Do it. Tell us. The self-reflection has to be at the top. Yes. Self-reflection has to be at the top. And Tracy, you said something that was really interesting. Do you even want to have a connection with...
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Chemistry and love, or is this just the, I'm not in love with you kind of thing?
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
What's important to him. And then the third thing that I had, and Mish, you said this, is you have to do the extra work. And not only being in the relationship, but trying to find a relationship.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
Yes, you can reframe that.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
Okay. Yeah. Do the work. Do the work.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
This was so nice. Thank you for doing this.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
Yeah, they were younger versions of...
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
Yeah, I can't take full credit for that because I really got it from dad.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
And what my dad would say is, you can really tell a person's character by how they play pickup basketball. And the reason is... You can see how hard a person works. You can see if they're the type of person who talks trash. And I've told this story many times about when you first started dating Barack. So Mish starts to date Barack. And we don't know who this guy is. We're just like, Barack?
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
Who's got a name like Barack? And I'm thinking to myself, it's going to last about a month, like most of your relationships did. That's not true.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
But anyway. Anyway. So Mish pulls up to the house and we're sitting on the front porch waiting for her to bring Barack. And she gets out of the car. And I remember mom's first thing was, oh, at least he's tall. That was her first thing she said, because Mish was usually posting up her other boyfriends. She said, at least he's tall. And I said to myself, well, it's too bad it's not going to last.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
But the best part of it was after we met him and she had been dating him for a little while, she said, would you mind, Craig, taking him to play? And at first I said, no way. I am not doing your dirty work for you. If he turns out to be a bad dude, I am not going to be the one to say. And you said, come on, please. And I finally acquiesced.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
And so we went and obviously we had a great time playing.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
This is what I learned. Aside from the fact that he is tremendously left-handed, so he couldn't go right at all. Most importantly, he was a team player, right? Like he fit in with the people and... So I was able to report back to you. Everything was fine. And the rest is history. So anyway, we got off the subject. And you know, another one of the reasons why I didn't date.
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Uh-huh.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
I went to an all-boys high school. So it's not like girls are walking down the hallway and you see one and you're like, ooh, want to go to movies or something. It was like crickets.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
Right. No, you would have had to hit me over the head with the fact that somebody was interested for me to have the nerve to ask them on a date.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
Here's what I will say. And I am dying to get our guest out here because she's going to be able to help referee this between you and me.
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I think guys in my generation, when they were dating... They ended up marrying the women they were dating when they were ready to get married.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
Exactly.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
But what I will tell you is we all ended up getting divorced. And once we started dating again, much more discerning. When I met Kelly... I was not interested in a relationship, not even dating. We just happened to be talking to somebody at the same time. So I'm making a long story short. But the point is, once we started dating, I said, let's figure out if this is going to work or not work.
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So we said, listen, let's go somewhere where we can... figure out if this is going to work. So we went to San Diego, the place we always go to. Nice big house. It was like, you have your own bedroom. I have my own bedroom. If it doesn't work, we just say, c'est la vie and have a nice weekend. I said, bring your list of things you want to talk about.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
Well, we are.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
And I brought my list and my list does 30 different things. 32 things that I had individually that I wanted to discuss. 32 items. 32 items. She had three. I was like, this ain't going to work. But after we went through my 32, you know what she said? What? All of yours fit into at least my three categories. I thought I was just doing categories. I wasn't doing the things.
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I know, but I'm hoping I got a good 20 more left. That's what I'm shooting for, at least.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
It worked because now, I mean, you know everything. I knew everything. She knew everything about me. And so it worked out. Thank goodness. But let's bring out our... It's time. Yes. And I almost feel like I don't even want to do a formal introduction because... This is one of the first times we've had on this show where the guest feels more like a family member. She just really, she got manners.
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She's got manners. She was raised right. She's funny, talking about being funny. Now, exactly. She's funny, but she's an award-winning actress. She's a screenwriter, a director, an entrepreneur that I want to hear about this.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
Will you let me do my job here? I'm sorry.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
I interrupted. And so without any further ado, Tracy Ellis Ross.
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I know. Well, did you get enough rest last night, old lady?
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
They let their guard down and their character comes out.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
Breaking his hip trying to play basketball.
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Dating Should Be about Pursuing Joy with Tracee Ellis Ross
I know.
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would we be changing our answer if it wasn't New York?
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It was so nice having them around. And, you know, we stayed in an Airbnb. They stayed at a hotel, but because we had the Airbnb and plenty of room, they were at our place almost entirely the whole time. So it was really fun for us. All the kids, all the cousins to hang out together.
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And it was interesting because Barack wasn't worried about it because he was more of a transient kid. His mom was an anthropologist and traveled the world. And he was born and raised in Hawaii, but spent time in Indonesia. His mom was in, she wasn't there. He didn't know his father. He grew up with more instability. In that sense. And thought moving is not a big deal.
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You know, there's seven and 10. We didn't move at all. My mother, when she left the White House, she moved back into the home that we grew up in. So that's how sort of steady and stable and secure we were. And I was terrified that this was going to ruin them. You were.
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I really could barely focus until, it wasn't until I got the final, you know, when the kids get invited to their first play date and it feels like a real friend. And, you know, that wasn't until March where I felt like, Okay, I can breathe. I mean, forget about everything else that was happening and the attacks and all the politics.
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They had great cousin time. I mean, you know, the four of them together, plus the two little ones, there's nothing like it.
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Knowing that they were settled and were going to be okay, that was the biggest relief that I had. But I say all that to say that they turned out okay. Because- Kids are way more resilient, I think, than we give them credit for. And even if your father is president of the United States and you live in the strange museum and you have men with guns following you around all the time,
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If you're grounded, you know, if you have that place of assurance somewhere, then that kind of gets you through. And strangely, that has me arguing to Shira that, as you were saying, Abby... Figure out the life you need to live, you know, because kids, they're going to be gone.
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And these years are just a blip on the screen in their lives, assuming that they're young and they do better than you expect if you're okay with it. If you're okay. If you're okay.
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And the two little ones think that they are in their 20s with Malia and Saj, with the big crew kids.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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You know, I had to tell them, just settle down.
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Right, right. Well, I'm excited for the kids' next journey. This is going to be a big year. Yeah. But I think they're going to do okay.
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This whole notion of growing up, it never happens. I was just having this conversation with Malia, our oldest, who is now, how old is Malia? She's 26 because she doesn't have insurance now. We were rushing. She was like, Obamacare. Thanks. It's like, yeah, thank your dad. Thank your dad. But she just turned 26. So they live on their own. They live in L.A. She's writing, directing, doing her thing.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm going to segue to our question. We have a great question from one of our listeners.
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And it is so funny when she goes... is this it? Am I an adult now? And I'm like, you know, this is kind of what life is. You know, she's like, but I don't feel like I know anything more than I did three years ago. And it's like, yeah, and you're going to feel that way at 35 and 45. I mean, there isn't a time when you reach adulthood and you go, I'm an adult. Yeah.
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I'm 60 and I'm still waiting to grow up.
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And wait till you have a kid. You won't know what's going on again. That's right.
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That's a whole new sense of.
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Back to the beginning. But I think you make a good point about, you know, we've got to be easier on ourselves in terms of how we define life. Yeah. You know, in this question is this notion that there's a right way to do this. And if you've lived it, you know, there isn't an answer. There isn't a one way that a family looks.
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And that's not where the happiness comes from, that you're following some straight, narrow definition of what it means to be a family, whether it's geographically or economically or what have you. And that's a beautiful lesson for kids to learn early, you know, that home is wherever you make it.
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I mean, I think that's what I learned after our eight years in the White House is that home is wherever we are. You know, we will build the home from within. Yeah. The external factors are just the nature of life and life changes and things happen.
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It's really interesting that Mish says that it came to her later because I always felt that. And I'll tell you when I really felt it. I grew up on the South Side, but I played basketball on the West Side, which is...
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In Chicago, it's like being in another.
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It's like being in another country. It was a rougher area as far as I could tell. But I came to find out that the guys from the west side thought the south side was harder.
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But my dad worked a swing shift. And when he could, he would come to practice. He was the only parent there. And when one of the kids from the other team said, man, you must really love it. that your dad comes to practice. In the meantime, I was hating the fact that he was the only dad there. And it was at that point that I realized that my family was special.
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It was at that point I realized wherever my family is, I could feel home. And when I think about Shira's question, I would hope that she would get from us here today that it doesn't matter where you live.
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And the point I want to get to is that Shira and her husband have to be more empathetic to themselves. I think they're being hard on themselves and understanding that, hey, it's up to you, too. And you may not know what the answers are.
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But just love those kids, love your community, get involved, and have your parents come visit when they can come visit.
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Yeah. But I think people have to be careful not to parent out of guilt. That's right. And what I worry about, or I would caution Shira, is to, when you do make that choice, whatever the choice is, don't parent them like you've hurt their feelings. Because sometimes people overcompensate for choices that they feel bad about. That's the disservice to kids. It's not moving them.
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And she's joined by her partner, Abby Wambach, who's a two-time Olympic gold medalist. Now you can see why I'm holding back on the sports stuff.
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It's not that they can't see their grandmother or they live in a city or an apartment or don't have a yard. Kids respond to their situations based on how you act. That's right. I mean, Barack was president of the United States. And I could have felt sorry for my girls, right? It's like, oh my God, look what we did to you. And And I sort of went the opposite direction.
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It's like, this isn't about you. We just happen to live in this house. It's your father's job. Every father has a job, you know. So just get on with it. Yep, you got Secret Service. I'm not going to poor thing you to death. It's odd, but it's what you have. And I think parents, we have to be careful not to push our guilt into our parenting. Because that can mess your kid up.
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Yeah, yeah, settle down, settle down.
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I barely remember how old Malia was today. Oh, my goodness.
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FIFA World Cup champion and six-time winner of the U.S. Soccer Athlete of the Year Award. And I'm just going to stop right there. You know how hard it is to be a athlete of the year one time?
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Wow. With all of them, you would have bought mine.
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No, but it is about the parenting. And sometimes I did overkill on the parenting of trying to be normal to the extent that one time Malia was on punishment for a semester.
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I mean, it was too much, right?
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She was a teenager. No, she didn't murder a human. She did teenage stuff. But this is, you know, every time something happened, and there are teenagers in the White House, I'm thinking, oh, my God, this is a sign that they're going to be on the street. They're going to be addicts, and this is really going to mess them up. So I got to put down the hammer, right? Right.
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And so the hammer over this incident was you're grounded for a semester. And it didn't start out as a semester. First, it was a month. And then I let her off, and then she didn't make curfew or did something like that. And, you know, I'd have these lectures and this guilt stuff. And, you know, my oldest, who's very sweet, she understood how to just look me in the eye and go, you're right, Mom.
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I don't know what got into me.
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She'd just sucker me. And it's like, I'm going to think about that. You have one of those. And I'm just like this kid. Then I was like, you're just, you're punking me. Yeah. You know, so now it's a semester. Yeah, yeah. You know, and Barack is trying to, he's trying to be the president, but also trying to be a good parent. And he's like, yeah, whatever your mom says.
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I don't know because I've never been athlete of the year. So I assume it's big. That's a rare thing.
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Although he's looking at me like, semester? I was like, I said a semester. Yeah. And I cannot go back on it. No, you can't. You know, so.
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Wait, wait a minute. Stop. Abby, what's the longest you've been on punishment?
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Yeah, it is rare. It is rare. She's also an activist for equality and inclusion and the author of a number one New York Times bestseller. Imagine that. Powerhouse couple. You know something about that. Her book is entitled Wolfpack. And together, Glennon and Abby co-host the beloved chart-topping We Can Do Hard Things podcast. Welcome, Glennon and Abby.
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And that was a horrible punishment. You never got to see again.
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How long have you been grounded?
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I was never really grounded.
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Never grounded.
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But I never, I wasn't a bad kid. I wasn't doing anything.
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Who never gets grounded?
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What about you?
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Who never gets grounded and then assigns a semester?
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You don't want them to be entitled.
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You don't want to get any of those signs. So let me finish. I was wrong. That was too long. No kidding. It didn't work. It didn't have the desired effect. No kidding. So, but I was learning is my point to Shira. It's like sometimes we overcompensate our, you know, I mean, and this is a strange position. I didn't have any role models of kids in high school in the White House.
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And your dad's the first black president. Come on, give me a break. I was kind of flying blind on this, you know, so much so that, you know, I learned with Sasha coming up, who was rarely on punishment, but of course, Malia heard about it. It's like, why isn't Sasha on punishment? It's like, because what I did to you was wrong. So I'm not going to repeat it just because you did it. But-
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The broader point is that sometimes our guilt, our issues get in the way of our parenting. So true. And, you know, making a move and making changes, moving into a smaller house, moving away from friends, all those things can feel really heavy as a parent. And I guess my experience is like it didn't really hurt them that bad. They turned out to be pretty good kids.
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And it wasn't because of the semester punishment.
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It wasn't.
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I was just trying to keep her off the front page of people.
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The burden of being the oldest. Right there.
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So would we be changing our answer if it wasn't New York?
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Well, I'm biased. I think New York is just a hard place to live. I don't, you know, no offense to New Yorkers, but man, you know, I mean, I just, when I'm in New York and I see people with strollers and little kids, I just think it's dirty down there. Pick them up. Pick them up away from the dirt.
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You know, I mean, you walk the streets of New York in white pants and they're dirty by the end of the day. I was like, you got your kid down there. So I'm, you know, Chicago is a very different city.
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You know, it's smaller. It's clean. It's just New York is just one of a kind.
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And it just seems like a hard way to live.
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Little ones. A little ones in a stroller going down the subway. I'm just like, wow, that looks hard.
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I completely agree with you because that's my lifeblood. I mean, I'm blessed to have a brother that I love. My mother was there for us. We had a good extended family. But, you know, A lot of my support came from friends that I built, the friendships that I built outside of my family. But I do know that you have to have intentionality to do that, and it is well worth the effort.
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Welcome, welcome, welcome. Thank you guys for being here. I mean, Craig, he doesn't really know how amazing, really amazing you guys are.
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At every stage of my kids' life, I made sure that I knew other parents, that I got to know them. so that I would know who my kids were going to a sleepover with. And that required me to invite some people to dinner or go to lunch with a mom or extend myself. And when we got to the White House, that was even weirder and harder, right? Because here I am, the first lady-
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No matter how I acted, I'd come in with all the First Lady smoke. The Secret Service, the assistants, putting me in a hold room. We were just a disturbance to the ether. I had to try to be so much smaller to fit into a place to try to build community because nobody really could come up to me.
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I mean, as friendly as I might be, there's just a wall of, you know, and if you came up too fast, you might get a, you might be in a lock hole, you know? So there was some physical barriers. So it was incumbent upon me to reach out or to, cozy up to somebody on the bleachers and start a conversation or to put a call in to the mom and to thank them. And from that,
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I did my homework. No, you don't know like I know. But I had the pleasure of talking to you guys, sadly, on Zoom. And it was amazing. I was like, right after our Zoom conversation, I was like, I want to be with So here we are. Here we are. Got my big brother here, but we're doing some talking about things, sharing ideas. And you two were at the top of my list.
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Each phase of my life, whether it was in Chicago on the South Side or in the White House, I built this community of moms and other friends and people that I could call and get the inside scoop on where the party was for the sophomores and whether the parents were actually there and did they have drugs. And, you know, you're only going to get that information from other parents.
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You have to tell yourself that that's important. And then you have to make the effort to build that community. So Glenn and I agree. I mean, our community is our friends as well. And they saved me during those years. And for sure, I think that, you know, Wherever they go, that should be the goal. Don't try to do this parenting thing on your own. You need help. You need insight. You need advice.
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So I'm so grateful that you have come to Martha's Vineyard, taking time off of your busy schedules. And I'm glad that we're in the same room because it really is a different kind of thing. So thank you. Thank you both.
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You need other people's perspectives. And that's as important as your job. That's right. It's like, so you might have a great career and you might have a wonderful business, but you need to have friendships that nurture your family. Yeah. And you've got to make time for that. And you've got to be intentional about that.
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And to say that it is just as important as the success of your handbag business. That you have this community of support and love. And your kids are going to benefit twofold.
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I completely agree with that. And our moving around was... made easier because our kids were in sports. So they had a natural group to have an affinity with. And there's nothing better than that. And even your girls.
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Yeah, no, we always had them in sports. They were not sports kids, but they were required to do a team sport and an individual sport. Yes, you know, it's just like, just get out there. Just learn how to compete. You know, learn how to lose. You know, we don't care if you like it or not.
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She said, here's a guitar.
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Try this.
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We'll see how long it lasts.
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And you cry at night before practice. Every night. Oh, poor thing. You're just nothing but tears.
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Yeah. But I want to get back to Shira here. I just want...
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All this was for sure. This is.
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And one of the things she talked about was being where she is up in rural Maine, the resources for her family are limited, which is why she was thinking about moving to New York. And I love the fact that you're thinking, Abby, that both of you are like, she knows the answer. She wants some justification. But there is some...
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Is it going okay?
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She's looking at the side of my head wondering, what is he talking about?
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concern for parents and people if they're not making enough money for their families? And let's just say that they weren't thinking New York, right? They were thinking Chicago or L.A. or Dallas, Texas or somewhere.
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Another big, expensive city. Another big, expensive city.
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Not New York. What might help their overall resources. How do you look at that?
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Don't do that.
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“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
But it is fun. This is our first joint project, really.
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Well, it's almost like they've got to really run the numbers, right? Because sometimes people make snap decisions. And this is one of those things, especially if it's New York.
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You might price yourself out of a life just being there. So now you're working to work. That's right. And that's when I think you got to start thinking about quality of life too with your career. Because if you're living in such an expensive place where all your income is going to rent and tuition, and you can't save for college, and you can't
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I mean, ever in our lives that it's been just you and me.
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have a vacation, you can't take time off, you're working to live, those answers are in the numbers. I don't know how the average family can afford to live in New York City. It's a harder way to live. Some people don't have a choice. But if you have a choice, I I personally wouldn't want to be so tied to my job and a salary because you just never know what's going to happen. People get laid off.
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You know, but we're glad to have you guys here. And we've got a really fun, not fun, but, you know, a question that is kind of familiar to all of us.
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Somebody gets sick. When you have a family, you got to have a margin for error. That's right. A kid could get sick. You might have to... take off of work. And this is one thing our father was pretty good at, cuz I know when we were little, I always wanted a house. I was a little girl that wanted a house with stairs and a station wagon.
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There were things in my mind, and we lived in a teeny tiny apartment over our aunt's house. And my mom, eventually my aunt died, she gave the house to our family. That was the only reason we could afford to own a home. I don't think that it mattered that much. It felt like it when I was a little girl, but in hindsight, I thought that our life was brilliant.
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We didn't have a lot, and that wasn't what made me who I am, having a house with stairs. But our father was pretty clear on not being house poor. So he just didn't make a lot of risky decisions that would put us in a position where he couldn't pay the bills or he couldn't save for college. So the trade-off was we didn't have a house with stairs and a nice fancy station wagon.
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And we weren't worried. We weren't living hand to mouth. Things felt fine and good. So I do think it's important for families not to push themselves to the margins where things can't go wrong.
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Where you're beholden to one thing. You got to leave room for error. Yeah.
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We've all sort of dealt with this as parents and, you know, good natured people trying to figure out what's the best thing to do for family and kids. Yeah.
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Do you all feel, and this can be anybody, I'm getting the impression that parents today are rushing their kids to be free of their kids.
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Like they want their kids stable so they don't have to worry about them anymore.
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They want their kids out in the world and doing the right thing and supporting themselves so they won't be bounce back kids. And I feel like I never felt that from my parents. I could always go back home. As a matter of fact, when I was going through my divorce, I did go back home.
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And we've got a question from a listener named Shira. Let's take a listen.
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And I moved upstairs where I grew up with my kids and my mom lived downstairs.
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It seems to me that some of the mental health issues that our young adults are having are just the fear of going out into the real world and not being ready. And then you can't come back home because your parents are trying to push you away for whatever reason. It could be a valid reason or it could be that they just want to do their own thing as parents.
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And have you guys seen that or thought about that?
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Oh, Lord. Yeah.
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Abby, I agree. I mean, I feel the feelings of wanting to be somewhere in the middle. It is a delicate balance because it's like you want your kid. I want my daughters to feel independent. Mm-hmm. I really want them to have the confidence to know that they can figure this stuff out. That life isn't rocket science. That it's a lot of common sense.
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And some of that you're only going to learn by doing, which means you're going to have to fail. And I think a lot of parents are afraid of watching that failure. It is the hardest thing to do to watch your kids walk into a wall that you knew was there. And you told them not to walk into it. Until they hit it and get a lump on their head, they just won't learn it. That's a painful thing for us.
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I am so excited to be here with you. Very excited.
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If you keep your kids from that experience of bumping their heads, you're robbing them of their own competency. That's right. Right? They need to know you can bump your head and you can figure it out. Go to the doctor. Put some mice on it. Don't do it again. Let's talk about it after the fact. But as you get older... I shouldn't have to walk you through everything.
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I think it's a constant exercise of extending the leash. You know, always err on the side of making it longer, not letting it go. But it's for them to say, like the bump on the head, you got this. You're good, you know? And these aren't hard choices, but I think sometimes parents are, you know, holding on a little bit too long. Yeah. Yeah.
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And with that said, I want my kids to know when things are really bad, right? And you're really in a bind, don't even question. Because we know you work hard. We know who you are. We know that you're not trying to get over. We know you wake up every morning giving it a shot. But life can be hard. So take some risks because you'll land softly here. But you can do this.
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I think that's always my message. And you start with Shira when your kids are five and two, you know? Start making decisions no matter what they are, whether it's moving or staying or you go to one school or you don't. You tell them, you can handle this. Yeah. You got this.
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And then you're watching from the gate, just making sure everything is okay. But they shouldn't know that you're watching, you know? They shouldn't know, but you're watching, you know? But they should think... Look at what I did. I started a new school. I made a new friend. I figured out my own homework. I wrote my own paper.
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I got a C, but I didn't get an A paper because my mom wrote the other half of it. This was my C. It was my, is my victory, my failure. And I think parents making decisions that make sense for the whole and giving your kids credit for being resilient Letting them build that resiliency muscle.
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I think that's what readies them, right, for life, which is our ultimate job, not to have them in our basement. Because if that was, my kids would still be sleeping in my bed.
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They would not. Brock is the only reason that, you know, I love sleeping with my kids. Mm-hmm. Anytime I got a big one, you sit on my lap. I'm just like meh. Same with Glennon.
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Oh, okay.
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Look at her face. Now I'm not judging. They were just like looking away.
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She's saying, why didn't I think of that?
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She's like, dang it. Yeah, I am picturing that. It's like, yeah, then they just roll over. Yeah, they're just right there.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yes.
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That's the perfect segue. And I don't want Shira to be saying, I wish I hadn't sent in this question because I don't know any more. What are our takeaways? Yeah. What are a couple of takeaways for Shira to be able to go, she and her partner go back and at least formulate a plan for a decision?
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That's absolutely true. It's like the job of the couple, the family, the adults, is to make the adult decision, you know? Yeah. And don't be afraid to be guided by what the adults need, you know, but don't parent out of guilt. Once you make the adult decision, don't feel sorry for your child because you did something that you wanted to do.
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Love them, give them stability, you know, help them grow in their new community, in their new surroundings, but still parent. Yeah.
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Yes. There's no right answer. There really isn't. And you guys both said it. It is filled with roadblocks and stumbles. And even when they do all the pros and cons and lay it out, they may make a decision and it doesn't work. That's right. And guess what? change it. You get a do-over. There are so many do-overs in life. There are few things that really ruin a kid or ruin a family.
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If there's love, if there's effort, and if there's trust, All the rest of it, you're just figuring it out. That's right.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Wow. Well, Shira, I hope this has been helpful. Because it's been helpful for me.
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Terrible decision. Oh, Shira. I don't know how you got that out of what we just said.
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I must say that the thing that I got, and this could be my coaching background, is you always have to be prepared to pivot. And not be afraid to pivot. And I'm hearing this from your family. I know it happened in our family. As parents, we've all had to pivot. And the kids are better for it. Yeah. So I really appreciate that on Shira's behalf.
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Yeah.
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Thank you for the wonderful.
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Abby Glennon, thank you guys. Thanks for having us. Thanks for taking the time, being a part of this incredible conversation. I want to do it again and again. Me too.
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So a lot of meat on the bones here.
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It's good to see you guys. Me too. Really. It's good to meet you.
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It's good to meet you. We have to talk about elite athletes one day. That's right.
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Okay, we can do a show on that.
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We can see.
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An episode on that.
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We'll bring it around.
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We can heckle them.
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A lot of meat.
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Thank you so much for having us. Thank you guys.
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This is, oh. All right. It's great to meet you both.
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Be well.
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Gang.
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This is a great question because I feel like I talk about this all the time. Not so much in my personal life, but we have young staff and many of them are starting to marry and build their families. And This is something that everyone is grappling with, especially in this day and age where people are so transient, and there's so many options and opportunities.
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It's good to see you.
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It's good to be seen.
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I mean, gone were the days when you grew up in the neighborhood that you were raised in, bought a house down the street from your mom, went to the school around the corner. and spent your life in one neighborhood. We're now all over the place. And so what does that mean for families? And how do you make decisions?
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Yeah, yeah. What's been going on with you?
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I mean, I literally talk about this a couple of times a month with young people who are trying to figure out how to build a life. So it's one of the reasons why I was excited about this, because I know there are a lot of people who are grappling with this. But Barack and I have talked about this because he sent us an article. It talked about how unusual the concept of the nuclear family is.
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Well, I'm biased. I think New York is just a hard place to live. I don't, you know, no offense to New Yorkers, but man, you know, I mean, I just, when I'm in New York and I see people with strollers and little kids, I just think it's dirty down there. Pick them up. Pick them up away from the dirt.
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Well, got a high schooler again.
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I don't know if you guys read that article, but it's like... That is a concept, the concept of two parents and children building their lives together is a relatively new concept to this generation. That it isn't really how we were designed to be because we're kind of pack animals. We live in community.
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Oh, yeah, yeah. Round two, round two.
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in ways that I think are more foreign to couples now, because a lot of young couples are thinking about how do I make it on my own? I moved away, I don't have support. And so now I'm trying to do all this stuff, have a family, find childcare, and everybody is trying to do this alone. And that's just a recent occurrence. So I wonder whether we've
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sort of lost our direction in terms of what we should be looking for. But I'd be interested in how you guys have thought about it.
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Austin's going into high school.
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Is he going to be playing basketball?
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He's properly worried about making junior varsity, which is good.
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Because most kids who are freshmen think they should be playing in the NBA. And he doesn't feel that way, so I'm happy about that.
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Yeah.
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Right, right.
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The roots. Yeah, yeah.
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But he's got just enough confidence.
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And I think there is a level to the work part that we're not talking about because gone are the days when you can get a job and end up somewhere for 30 years and get the gold watch and the retirement party at the end. What I always feel like is we're training our kids to not be so sedentary where they are, oh my gosh, I just got let go from a job and I can't operate.
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Because that's going to be more the rule than the exception.
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I get that feeling because being a coach, we've had to move. Every time there's a job opportunity or a firing, you have to move. And I always put it off as, oh, this is good for the kids.
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But that's because he puts in the work. You know, Austin's a worker. Aaron just shows up, game.
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But it's not necessarily always that way. I know it's good for the family. but it may not be good for the kids. And it begs the question, is how important is community for these young people?
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The biggest worry that I had when Barack was elected, it wasn't the difficulty of the job. It wasn't the strain or the hardship or the threats or all the things you might imagine. I worried about my girls. I worried about moving them out of what was the only community and home they had ever known where my brother was down the street and my mom was picking them up from school.
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I mean, we had a really wonderful life in Chicago. And I thought, I'm gonna do the worst thing to these kids. And they were seven and 10. second grade and fifth grade. I'm going to pluck them out in the middle of the school year, mind you, because the presidency doesn't work for families. It's like all the timing of it is really stupid.
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So while we're transitioning, trying to hire staff and come up with the initiatives and Barack is building his cabinet, I'm thinking I got to get these kids in a school where they're not going to just be any kids. They're going to be kids with secret service. You know, I just couldn't wrap my arms around how to make this feel good for them.
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Well, your two are pretty exceptional.
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I appreciate you saying that. And speaking of exceptional, Malia and Sasha at the wedding.
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But the long story short is that they did way better than I thought. I mean, they transitioned better than I was transitioning.
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So this summer, we had a wonderful occasion happen in our family. It was our eldest son's wedding. The resort we stayed at had about 500 homes, and we were able to Airbnb one of the homes there. And it was a guest favorite home. And what that is, is that's one of a collection of 2 million homes that are the most loved in the Airbnb collection based on ratings, reviews, and reliability. And
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Your oldest wedding, yeah. They came to the wedding. We did not.
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Our son, yes, the one who is getting married, wanted to make a cake as a tribute to my mom, his grandma, who had just passed away. And I get choked up when I think about it, the fact that he wanted to do that. Well, not only did he want to make it, he wanted his little brothers who are 14 and 12 to help him make it. And our daughter, who's 28, was sort of supervising the whole thing.
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Which he did, but he never—it seemed like he was either never sick, which we know now is impossible.
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See, she's still hot about it. Can you tell?
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Well, it started out with the term imbalanced, which I just can't understand when it comes to friendship.
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Because my friends are my friends. There's, you know... Relationships ebb and flow. So it's rarely going to be where everybody's feelings are balanced at the same time. So isn't life always out of balance?
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And people know by now that you and I are like have been best friends since you were born.
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You know, I guess with me and my friends, because like you, I don't want to generalize. As long as every now and then somebody else buys a round of drinks or it's lightweight. You use tickets. Tickets is a great example. Not everybody has the same means. So inviting me to a Lakers game is one thing. Or if I invite you to a Lakers game and you invite me to a high school game,
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That's equivalency to me.
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But what I don't get about this relationship was that she knew it was imbalanced from the beginning. To your point, Issa, my friends and I, we don't roll that way. We're more transactional. As long as we're getting something out of it, We feel okay. We don't go as deep. And like you were saying, it's sociology for women. It's not. It's carpentry for men. It's shop.
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I didn't want to say gym, but it's... We enjoy each other for surface level enjoyment. And if we need to go deep, we'll go deep. To what extent?
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Nope, it could not happen before then. But my first question to you is, how many of your friends now were your friends when you were little?
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No, we are. We are getting in his business. For the divorce.
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We in your business. I told her everything. Okay. What she left out, the reason I didn't tell her was because I was hoping that it would work out. Because if it didn't work out and I got over it, she would never get over it. Oh, interesting. So I was trying to save everybody's relationship. Now, when I talk to my boys about it, that's when I go deep. You did go deep with it. Yeah.
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But no, see, now see, there's no timing to it. I mean... But there is. So it was deep for me. It was deep for me, irrespective of the time.
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I talked to two really good friends of mine. Um... And we would go to a restaurant in Chicago on Friday after the market stopped trading. And we'd have cigars and margaritas. And it was three of us. And we had one chair in the middle. And we called it the chair of angst. So whoever was having trouble got to sit in the chair of angst and say, this is what I'm going through.
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And for a while there, I was in the chair of angst for like seven months because I was going through this. And I wasn't ready to divulge it to my family because I didn't want, if I could somehow kick save this thing, then I could tell them after the fact. Yeah, you know, well, we had to work on it, but everything's fine now. But I know my family. He's right about that? Is he right?
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That's how they found out.
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I'm not saying it was the right thing to do. It was a plan. That was my plan.
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No, what I was saying is we don't go deep until we need to go deep.
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It's not like a friendship is, there's always something to dig into.
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There's always something to dig into.
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It was all of the above. Because sometimes the person who was in the chair of angst just needed to vent. And in the venting, the other two would ask questions to find out, okay... is this really what's going on? Or is there anything we can do? Or what predicated this? It was just, it was a give and take.
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It wasn't just a venting session, but it was, at least for me, it was liberating to be able to just have somebody to talk to about things that, you know, that were deep and private that I didn't, I wasn't ready to share with the the whole world.
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let it go they don't let it go you you're never out of the chair because now i'm calling you and going okay what happened what happened yeah so not only do i have a sister i have a wife and which has helped me communicate right because i say all the time our relationship relationship with my wife and the relationship with my daughter who is now 28 i'm a better communicator
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not just with women, but in general, because I get it. I get it. There are times when my wife wants to talk to me and I don't want to talk, but I have to be intentional about she needs this.
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If I need it, I will go get it. But with my friends, we never get there like that.
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Because you don't have expectations of them? No, friends have disappointed, but it doesn't injure me as deeply. And if your next question is, do I approach them and say, hey, you really disappointed me? I have. And I think that's why we keep our friendship.
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At the risk of sounding cocky, I have not.
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I hope that I am.
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No. You have a sister. You have to be a good friend. But it doesn't have to be deep friendship. It can be just below the surface.
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Yeah. So this is a really good question. And I haven't thought about this because unlike my sister, I didn't make too many new friends as an adult. You know, after a certain period, I shouldn't say as an adult, sort of as I've gotten older. So my friends are my friends, and they're going to be my friends.
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And new people that I meet that I haven't known for a long time who are friends, the shift to the right, and they don't make the shift to the right, we just don't communicate as much.
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She calls it a slow ghost.
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And which brings me to another point that you all didn't talk about, but it made me think about this, is that I don't mind being ghosted. Me neither. I don't mind that.
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Yeah. If it didn't matter, it didn't matter. But let's say I get the slow ghost, right? I get the slow ghost. And then a year later, the guy texts me and say, hey, I'm going to be in town. Want to go get a drink? I'll be like, yeah, sure.
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Just look at the guys in here all smiling, trying not to get in trouble. They are trying for me not to get in trouble.
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The guys who, like, say, grammar school people who were my friends, I'm still in touch with.
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Since high school, first day of high school.
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No, we fought, yeah. But it's old.
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There's no emotional fight. You know? You're talking about, I thought you were talking about like a fight.
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Well, you all don't physically fight.
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Until there is a crisis, then we go deep.
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It could be something going on with their kids, or it could be a divorce, or it could be, you know, a car accident.
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Yeah, a crisis.
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And today's show is talking about differences with those friends and falling out of friendship with good friends. And I'm just thinking, see, guys are a little different. Their friendships are more transactional, right?
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Well, what I mean is... After sort of grammar school and high school where you're sort of friends with people because you're developing your group and your personality and your character. Most of the time after that, you make friends out of the necessity of wanting to get something done, whether it's a business idea, a business venture, a sporting event. You've got four tickets to a game.
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I mean, with that level of kind of intimacy, I maintain that the chair of angst with me, Jimmy, and Victor is exactly the same thing. It just doesn't take as long.
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It does. It takes a crisis to get it going.
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I don't want Eva to think we are not taking her issue seriously.
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Well, is it possible to set boundaries?
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In a friendship that's unbalanced? Yes.
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And your significant other doesn't want to go, so you, all right, I'm going to take three friends.
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We are not broken, but we don't go as deep.
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So if something happens, we're not as hurt.
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Nobody said it was scared.
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So this is perfect because I'm thinking back to Eva. One of the things I would like Eva to take away from this is that being in an unbalanced relationship doesn't mean it has to end the relationship. If you want it to be another way, I'm learning from you all.
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If I'm in an unbalanced relationship and I'm the one feeling unbalanced, I got to go to the person and say, hey, look, this is what I want out of a relationship. And if they can't provide it, then we got to think about it.
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It's just a function of how we socialize with each other. And like you, I have all of my friends I could not talk to in a year, or I could talk to every week, and the relationship is... Mostly the same.
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Well, let's figure out a couple, three things that we can tell Eva. And then maybe we could figure out a follow up with her.
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I like that, too. But you know what I like even more is when Issa said, just get a guy friend.
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Eva, we really care about you.
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You're right about that. It's hard to go deep. You know when we go deep? Uh-huh. Is when it's too late.
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We're getting a divorce.
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I didn't say anything because I didn't want to burden you. And I was going to thug through it myself.
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But today's show, we're going to talk about, you know, sort of falling out of friendship with close friends.
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We do have company. And I can't tell you how excited I am for this company. Because as I told her in the green room, I didn't watch... rom-com-ish type shows. And my wife said, you got to watch this Insecure. And I'm like, I'm not watching it. She said, you got to watch it. It's good. And I said, I'm not watching it. And she said, you're going to like it. I said, I'm not going to like it.
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She made me watch the first two episodes back to back because she was like on episode four. I watched the first one. I was like, all right, it's not bad. I watched the second one. And then I watched the third and the fourth because I was only going to watch the first two. And I just...
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fell in love with this actress who then I had to do a little research and I found out she was a writer and she was now getting into the restaurant business and just an entrepreneur and a community folk, you know?
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Kind of like y'all.
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Just in the community doing stuff for Black folks.
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Giving it back and just so supremely talented. Let's bring on Issa Rae. Issa!
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Oh, so happy to have you here.
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Is that a dream or was it just circumstantial?
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Were you going to say something?
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It's... My wife called it coral, but it could be pink.
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Well, that's a perfect segue for our listener letter. It's somebody who fell out of favor with a friend. So, Natalie, are you ready to read us the letter?
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I am thrilled that you like my clothes.
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See, you guys, it's hard being this one's brother. Yeah. I don't have enough closet space.
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Can I just say, before we dig into this, there would never be a guy that wrote a question like that. We just don't, it's not our thing.
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Why would you do that?
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That they're not good enough. Right.
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Right.
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No.
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That's right.
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Right. I would have been your caretaker rather than your brother.
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Well, you know, another story I think about is how mom and dad trained us to work hard. Do you remember the chores?
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Real work around the house. And what I mean by real work is I had... My chores were to clean the bathroom,
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What are you talking about?
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We alternated weeks.
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And I didn't, but I had to do it. Mom wanted us both to know how to have a clean bathroom. But my every weekend job was cleaning those stairs.
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We had 14 stairs. Notice I remember how many there were.
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That Went from our apartment down to our great aunt Robbie's apartment. And this is what I remember about Saturday morning.
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You remember that tin pot that we used to have? We had a tin pot, a pot now that used to be on the stove, which was now used for cleaning. And you put a little soap, dish soap in it. And then you put pine salt in it.
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And there was nothing like that smell. Like when you came home from school and mom had been mopping and you could smell the pine salt. It was usually Monday because she had laundry on Monday. You come home from school and it smells like... New house.
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And I have to say that I, still to this day, when I'm mopping, if we don't have that pine oil smell...
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That's it, isn't it?
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But what we realized is that my dad didn't want to take his paid sick time because he wasn't sure if he would keep his job by doing that. And my sister and I realized that My dad would be sick, but he just thugged through it. It was a difficult thing for him to deal with then, and unfortunately, so many Americans still face this pressure today. 27 million Americans still lack paid sick time.
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Remember when we used to share a bedroom?
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Learn more or help someone apply for the fund at theraflu.com slash right to recover. I'm so happy that we're doing this together. And this show in and of itself is just bringing me down memory lane. But let's talk about some times when we had to actually, since you were talking about looking out for each other, when we had to lean on each other for advice. And I'll start because...
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I remember talking to you before I talked to mom about going into coaching.
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And I want to tell you a story about when I leaned on you, and I want to tell a story about when I didn't lean on you. When I leaned on you, I was... Well, I should tell the story chronologically because when I didn't lean on you happened before I leaned on you. Just in this example was when I was going through my first, my first divorce, my only divorce. And I didn't tell you about it.
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That's right.
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And the reason I didn't tell my sister about it or my mom or anybody close to me- Or just the challenges you guys were facing. Were facing was because I know my sister and I said, if I tell her about this, she's never going to get over it. And if we ever got back together- It wasn't going to be good for my first wife. So I was trying to hold off telling everybody.
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But the first person I did tell was Mish. And she was so mad that I hadn't told her and so disappointed that I vowed that I would never not tell her, hold anything from you. Because I had never done that ever and haven't done it since.
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And Whitney Young wasn't open.
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No, it was one bedroom.
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Boy, times have changed.
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It's more fun being Michelle Obama's big brother.
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You would have had way more dates. You had way more dates once I graduated.
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And it wasn't like I was trying to mark any territory or anything. It was just, you know.
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It's just walk around, people get nervous.
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But that was the only bedroom. The room we were in was actually the living room. And the living room that we, what we called the living room was actually the dining room.
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Like three buildings down.
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Fine.
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That was a mistake. That was a mistake. And I've learned since then. But I talk about you all the time to people because now that you're an icon, people are like, what's your sister like? I was like, listen. This woman used to take care of me from the time she... All the way back to when you used to play the piano for me before games. Yes, people, before my high school basketball games, my...
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Elementary school sister would play the piano so I could take a nap. And you'd play, even after I went to sleep, you kept playing, teaching me how to dance.
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Before I would go to the prom.
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I still do these moves to this day.
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You stay in the pockets. Stay in there. But what I think about when I think about us relying on each other, when I made the move from corporate America to become a coach, and the reason that was such a big deal was, you know, I was a bond trader, sales person in investment banking and finance and big time job, really good living. And I was contemplating-
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stopping that to go be an assistant coach on a basketball team.
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Like five and three.
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And you talked about how my love for teaching, like I always thought I was going to be a teacher. I never thought I would be a coach or an investment banker or even a basketball player. I thought I'd be a teacher or a cop or a fireman. You know, that was what we were exposed to. And you talked about how much you knew, I love teaching. I loved helping kids.
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And then you threw out what dad would say.
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He had passed by then. And you said he would say, if you could find something that you'd love to do, you're not working a day in your life. And that gave me the, courage to go into my partners that I worked with and tell them, hey, I'm hanging it up and I'm going to be a coach. And everybody thought I was having a nervous breakdown because this was after the divorce stuff.
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And we had matching spreads.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That mom made.
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Yeah. And, you know, in more recent times, I mean, it feels like I can call and talk to you about anything. I mean, you know, we talk about the kids. Now, see, I have the younger kids now. Well, now you're on marriage number two. I'm on marriage number two and I'm a... charter member of the ODC, the old dad's club.
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But, you know, just being able to call you up and have an opportunity to gained from your wisdom. It's just really... Now that I got a little, huh? It's nice. It's nice.
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I did.
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That's right. That's right. And, you know... everything happened so fast because Barack went from a state Senator to a U S Senator. And next thing you know, people were saying this guy should run for president. And you were like, uh, no, not doing it. You had grown up with Frazier Robinson.
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You wanted your girls to have sort of a similar upbringing with a father who would come home from work and play catch and take them to the park and do all these things. and, uh, Bharat came to me and he's like, you know, I can't convince your sister to go along with this. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, go along with what? And he's like, I think I'm going to run for president. And I was like, what?
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I remember you had a bed guard because you were so little.
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I wouldn't go along with it. And I said to him, I said, listen, what you have to do is, first of all, let me talk to her. You don't talk to her. Let me talk to her. No, it wasn't that. I said, you know, I said, if we can get mom on this, our mom, Marion Robinson, if we can get her on board for this, which she was not on board for it, we might have a chance of getting Misha on.
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And then I said, let me talk to Misha. And that's when I came and talked to you. And just gave you your advice that you had given me back pretty much about following your passion and doing the things you love. But I think the thing that pushed it over the top was I convinced you to not penalize him for being really good at what he does. Hmm.
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You still probably should have been in a crib.
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And that would be like a guy who is fighting to get to the NBA, and he makes it. And because the travel is messed up, his wife says, no, I don't want you to do it. And it just wouldn't be fair. And I talked to you and mom at the same time, and both of you sat there reasonably mad and said I was right. And then I said to everybody in our family that this is not just you all doing it.
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This means all of us are doing it. Because of the scrutiny you guys would be under, the work you're going to have to do, it's going to take a village to do this whole thing. And that was pretty much the discussion that we had that got this whole thing started.
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And I'd come running.
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Everybody else would be wide awake, and you'd be snoring.
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You know what? They remember the turkey pardoning. That was the last thing.
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But then from there, from there, we went to, and I'm trying to remember what age, when our grandfather, Southside, built us this tea plant.
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Oh, shoot. Six and four, maybe?
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Partition wall. So then we had our own bedrooms in that same room. So it went from a one room, one big room into three small rooms. Your bedroom was on the right. Mine was on the left. And then we had a common area in the front where mom, once again, crafty, built us desks on each side where we could do our homework.
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Or that daily habit you want to get into. because your best life is always better than the idea of someone else's. We believe in therapy at IMO, and we've seen firsthand how beneficial it is to invest in your own well-being. You know, this reminds me of my teams. When I coached back in my day, we didn't have therapists assigned to the team.
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Thank you.
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Hence the name.
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I couldn't agree with you more. I have over these years, and we talked about this a little earlier about being, our parents being, before there was the term lifetime learners, right? Mm-hmm. That's what they were. And it's been so helpful for me in my adult life and our adult lives.
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I just want to be able to share what we can with folks who weren't as fortunate to have Frazier and Mary Robinson as parents. And then I have just... Watched you grow into this person who has a platform where people, you touch people, people listen to you. And it's just an honor to be sitting here next to you and being able to share that with the rest of the world.
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It'll be fun. You know? Because we may not have all the answers, but we got plenty of opinions.
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So we want you to hang with us tough. And feel free to engage with us. Subscribe. Follow us on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify.
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Audible. And wherever you get your podcast, look us up and send us some questions. We'd love to get questions from you folks and try and answer them. And, you know, I plan on learning something too in this.
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So am I. It'll be a lot of fun.
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We thought it was all night, but because we had to go to bed at 7.30, it was probably like 8.30. But we talked till about 10 o'clock and mom would finally come in there. Yeah. If you all don't go to bed, go to sleep.
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Thanks for having me.
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Well, what's really ironic is that we were talking about how small our place was.
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And then look where we're doing this taping in this big, beautiful Airbnb.
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Got a little more room here. I know.
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This podcast is going to be about you and I trying to let people in on some of the lessons that we learned as kids and growing up and from mom and dad, but also from different teachers and coaches and things we've learned along the way. And Let me ask you this. What is one of the lessons that you learned from mom and dad that really sticks out to you?
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They sure don't. And, you know, I'm always asked how mom and dad came to be the type of parents that they were, that would be the type to let their kids come into the kitchen table and share in the conversation rather than being lectured to. And I always remember mom always, when we would always ask mom, how do you know something? She was like, well, I don't know everything. Yeah.
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I don't know what to tell you.
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When she wasn't sure. And she said, let me think about it and get back to you. And that was one of the most powerful things as a parent.
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You don't have to know everything. And it's better to say you don't know than to make up something or lie or get yourself caught in a position where your kids come back to you and say, You gave me bad advice.
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All the time.
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Hence the name, In My Opinion, IMO.
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And it's funny you say that because this reminds me of my favorite lesson from them. When you talk about there's never any judgment, The only time mom and dad would really be upset with us is if we said, well, so-and-so said I should be doing this. And how about that word so-and-so?
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Who's so-and-so?
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So-and-so?
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That's all I remember about so-and-so. So-and-so was trouble. If you hung out with so-and-so, you were going to get in trouble.
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And mom would be so, meet so-and-so. Well, but my point is... If you ever came in the house and said one of your friends, somebody outside of the family said, you should do something or you should be something or how about let's try this. And you followed in behind them.
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That is when you caught it. Yeah, yeah.
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Not thinking for yourself and having enough confidence in your decision-making process to make decisions for yourself and not because somebody wanted you to. Well, you know, I wanted to wear bell-bottom jeans because everybody else is wearing them. That was the way to not get your bell-bottom jeans. If you could come up with a reason why you wanted them, then you'd have some bell-bottom jeans.
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But if you said... I'm not doing this because of somebody out in the streets, as dad would say. You out here listening to these guys? So-and-so out in the streets. So-and-so in the streets. Forget it.
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Well, I'm Craig Robinson, and you all know my sister, Michelle Obama, and we're doing this podcast together. And it's really exciting to be working with you on this project.
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Get ourselves up.
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Oh, not in the Robinson household.
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And this is a guy who was, you know, for him to be on time, he had to prepare because it was hard for him to get around and get dressed.
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The fact that... He had a disability, didn't make him have an excuse for anything, particularly being late. So much so mom used to be mad at him because he would get ready so early.
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And I would get ready earlier just to keep him company.
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Because he was on that island time.
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The Lessons Our Mother Taught Us
And had to go down to Champaign, Illinois. And that's when she decided to tell us. She left us a note. She didn't tell us.
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The Lessons Our Mother Taught Us
He would have been enjoying that ride.
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The Lessons Our Mother Taught Us
Man, and he would have been the one, I'm going to Italy. I'm going to the... Great Wall of China. I'm going to all these different places.
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The Lessons Our Mother Taught Us
Yeah. I remember mom saying when dad died that you guys are going to be really upset for a while. But you got to go to work.
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The Lessons Our Mother Taught Us
But you got to go to work. And I remember going to work and my co-workers were like, what are you doing here?
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The Lessons Our Mother Taught Us
Yeah. My mom told me I had to come to work.
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The Lessons Our Mother Taught Us
Yeah, Mish, you remember what Dad used to do for Mom on Mother's Day? And you reminded me of this. I had almost forgotten about it, but Dad used to go shopping for Mom on Mother's Day at Carson Perry Scott and pick out An outfit for... A wardrobe.
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That's right. And I didn't get to really understand how meticulous he was in his decision-making until he got to a point where he couldn't go by himself.
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The Lessons Our Mother Taught Us
Everybody knows that story. And so I would drive him and And we'd get to the women's department and be met by this wonderful woman. I wish I could remember her name, who worked at Carson's. Then she'd take him and wheel him back into the section. And she had things set up for him. And he would pick something right off the mannequin sometimes. And then he would go over and he'd feel the material.
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And it just brings back such a wonder.
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The Lessons Our Mother Taught Us
Yeah, because we didn't gift wrap. We always got it done at the store. Yeah. But I know you guys did some really cool stuff at the White House, too.
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The Lessons Our Mother Taught Us
She didn't do much stuff, but she always talked about how much she enjoyed that with you and with the other mothers. And this Mother's Day, sending flowers is a classic and simple way to brighten mom's day. Whether she loves lilies or tulips, you can send her her favorite flowers right to her, no matter where you are in the world.
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Yeah, that's a tough one. But I'm thinking about a couple of things in that. And... The first one is her brothers handling the grief differently than she does. And boy, if there was any thing that I've learned with our parents passing away is that Different people handle grief differently. And it's almost like a relationship. You have to come to people's grief and meet them where they are, right?
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And the first bit of advice I'd give Madeline, in my opinion, would be help your brothers grieve the way they need to grieve. While I know you're going through your own troubles, sort of let them grieve the way they need to. And it might be silently, you know?
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Yeah, the listeners should know that Mom's been threatening to drop dead for 20 years. Well, yeah, yeah. She has been preparing us for this. So she left very direct instructions on what she wanted and how she wanted things to be. And we had to take that into account when...
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Yeah, and that's what I was going to say, because this gets back to her statement about the families now destabilized because the stabilizing influence is gone. Yeah. And she has to remember that these two guys, they've got, they're starting their own families and she isn't. And she talks about not having any kids.
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And if she feels like it's being destabilized, she might have to step up and say, okay, I'm the one, I'm the anchor here. And that's those are big shoes to fill.
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The next evolution of the family.
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It may take time because we're lucky. We've been close since we've been little, right? You and I have been close.
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But we do. We work hard at it. This podcast. It's a podcast. The perfect vehicle.
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Although it's kind of hurt our phone game because we're saving everything for when we see each other.
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Mom, our mother, not only did she not date, she might've gone on one or two dates.
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We had the opposite. But she's dealing with the fact that the person who was her main guy is gone. And then his wife is out dating.
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That's got to hurt. Yeah. That's got to hurt.
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Mm-hmm. Yeah. Or it could be a form of relief.
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You don't know unless you talk to your mom about it. And to get back to your point about communication, it's going to burn you until you talk to your mom.
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can let her know how you feel. That'll be part of your dealing with the grief. Yeah, yeah. But we didn't have to deal with that.
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Or at least we hope that.
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Yeah. Well, I just don't think it's realistic. And we've got some friends who are dealing with that right now. And the dad passed away. The mom started dating really quickly. And the kids aren't happy with it. And the grandkids aren't happy with it. And there's a couple of people who understand it, but they can't. get it out of their heads that it happened so quickly.
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And my advice is, stop thinking about the speed with which this happened and think about... The joy that your mom can sort of replenish at this point. But it's hard. It's hard to get that through to people.
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Well, I mean, but after a while, it's like, you know... We wanted her to date, but if it had been the next month... Oh, yeah. I think I might have been a little salty, too. We would have been surprised. Yeah, yeah. We would have been surprised.
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Yeah, she was in her 60s and started running in track competitions. Sprints. 50-yard dashes, 100-yard dashes.
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Yes, and she was wearing these skipped gym shoes. She didn't even have the right equipment.
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The kind she'd get from Kmart.
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Yeah, winning trophies, winning medals.
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Running away from them, man.
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Yeah, yeah. And while that was very nice of you, I felt very much a part of it. You know, I thought, as we both know, mom wanted it. Like, I don't want an hour and a half memorial, right? I think she was worried about the time. She was worried about the amount of money we spent on it. And she wanted to make sure that family was going to be involved. And you made sure all of that took place.
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And had to go down to Champaign. Illinois. And that's when she decided to tell us. She left us a note. She didn't tell us.
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Yeah, we did lose track.
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But then the other weeks, it's like every other day.
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Yeah. So if we wanted to give Madeline... a few pieces of advice. I like your advice that she can become the stabilizing force of the family. Become the glue. So become the glue. And I like the meeting your brothers where they are
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And it was a wonderful memorial service. It was a little longer than she would have liked.
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Everybody grieves differently. And you know, what we left out that you and I talk about all the time since dad died is it just takes time.
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But it takes time and it's different time for different people. And it took me a long time to get over dad's death. Yeah. And while I'm not over mom's death, I feel more at peace with her, with the grieving timeline than I did with dad. So that's something, Madeline, that we want you to know or want to make sure you're paying attention to that this does get better. It does get better.
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And you just have to weather the storm.
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And then there was a third point that you made that I'm drawing a blank on that I should have written down because we're all over the place here.
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But she would have enjoyed it if she were there. So that's what we talked about that day.
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Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And one last point. We didn't have to worry about this because we, like I said, have been close. But she could use this as an opportunity to get closer with her siblings.
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And she needs it. She needs it.
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I'm glad you're doing okay.
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Man, it's funny. Kelly used to talk to mom every Sunday. It was like her thing. It was... Let me get the food ready for the week and who's coming in this week. And there was this thing, she would put her phone in her shirt and she'd be on the ear pods and she'd walk around on Sunday. Talking to mom. And the other day she was doing that. And I was thinking, I wish she was talking to mom.
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She didn't want to come in the first place.
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All righty. Look at us. I know. One-on-one today.
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You know? I maintain all of that. Her time at the White House, all the travel, having to care for the girls added years to her life because she was just sitting over on Euclid, you know, on the porch smoking cigarettes. Yeah. Because she had retired. Yeah.
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Yeah. And because you got her to do more, she would come out to visit us more because she felt like she had to even up the scorecard, right? Because she was spending more time with your girls and not our kids. Yeah. I was like, mom, we're not counting. We'd love to have you out anytime you want, but we got to see her enough. Which brings me to, you know, dad dying.
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So people should know our dad died 33 years ago. So my oldest, Avery, wasn't born and none of your kids were born yet. Mm-hmm. We all knew he loved us. Him dying so early, that was devastating. It was devastating for both of us. It was really devastating for me. When mom died, mom did the same thing.
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She made sure all of her kids, all of her grandkids, all of her in-law, daughter-in-law, son-in-laws all knew how much she felt about them. And so when mom died, while it was extraordinarily sad, it wasn't as devastating.
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And I think managing the grief hasn't been as hard as it was when dad died. I mean, when dad died, everybody looked at me like dad died.
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Right? And it was so hard to manage that. Now, while we had to sort of manage more people when mom died, this was, I really felt mom's whole life and situation in death was the way she would have wanted it to be. Yeah, yeah. And that gives you some comfort.
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She can't, you know, even though she would try to wear a baseball cap.
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Straight up. She would think that wasn't lying because she didn't say.
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No, no. But she wasn't going to let her. She was going to smoke cigarettes and drink wine and eat bad food until she... Until she dropped dead.
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Yes, yes, to use her term. And folks should know when we say drop dead, that is a... That's her term. That is a comfort term for the Robinsons and the Obamas because that's what my mom always called dying, dropping dead.
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Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. And I'm glad we're doing a show on grief because as you remember, I mean, mom was so beloved by so many people from your orbit, which is gigantic and my orbit and her own orbit. You know, we spent a lot of time managing everybody else's grief, and we really haven't talked much about our own grief. So I'm happy we're able to do this now.
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You know, he just dropped dead the other day. It's just like, okay, can we find another way to phrase it?
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Sounds familiar.
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That's a good place to start. Jay, what are your thoughts?
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I am glad to be here. And our listeners should know that your oldest nephew got married this summer.
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So your refereeing relationship ability is... is coming to light here because he's not even in a relationship yet. And he's determined, he's determining that his partner wants one thing or the other. Why do we think the norm is either make a whole lot of money or be happy? Why can't you do both?
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Another Mrs. Robinson.
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Yeah, that's a great point.
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I will tell you that Kelly and I were so focused on the wedding because we didn't hear anything about what was going on. So we thought it was going to be a disaster, of course.
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Let me just help Adrienne out here. And feel free to jump in here, Jay. Because Adrienne's probably thinking, I am 38 years old and I don't have somebody. Is it because I don't have enough money? Or is it because I don't have this thriving career? And it begs the question that I have for a lot of these women out here.
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And I'll say it to you too. Would you be attracted to a guy who's not financially sound when you meet him?
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Don't you like that alley-oop I just threw you?
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You don't even have to say, you just point and run down the court. And let me say one more thing before you give your answer. Most, you have to admit, most of your sister-in, not just women, I'm talking about women in general, typically are not like you at that age. They're looking to, they're looking to catch, they're looking for a good catch.
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No faith in your own kids who you've raised to be well. And when we showed up and everything was so well done and so tastefully done and so many of the little things like the name tags and the menus were all done by hand by Emily and Avery. Wow. It was such a wonderful and beautiful ceremony. I left there feeling proud.
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And to Jay's point about maybe you can find somebody who's attracted to the hunt with you, which I think is hard to find these days. If you disagree, feel free.
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No, that answers it. And I'm going to ask Jay to referee again. You know, now that I've been traveling for this podcast and staying in Airbnbs more, it makes me think back to when I was coaching and how much I could have used Airbnb back then. I would have loved to have put my team up in a house instead of a hotel. It makes for better camaraderie. It makes for a
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better communication between the players. If I could get a place big enough for my whole team, we would have saved on actual hotel rooms, but we would have saved on conference rooms. We would have saved on video, audio and video. And more importantly, we would have saved on food and beverage, which is the most expensive thing when you're traveling.
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In addition, I would have used this when I was recruiting because you end up in a lot of small towns that don't necessarily have good hotels. And I would have easily signed up for getting an Airbnb in some of these small college towns. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You know, I think back to the time when my dad was working for the city of Chicago as a stationary fireman.
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And it seemed to us that he never missed work and he never got sick. But what we realized is that my dad didn't want to take his paid sick time because he wasn't sure if he would keep his job by doing that. And my sister and I realized that My dad would be sick, but he just thugged through it.
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It was a difficult thing for him to deal with then, and unfortunately, so many Americans still face this pressure today. 27 million Americans still lack paid sick time, which causes them to have to choose between losing a day's pay and getting the proper rest they need in order to get better. And what's worse, this all-too-common issue disproportionately impacts lower-income individuals.
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Well, speaking of jobs.
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We have a great question today. We do.
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Thanks. I'm working hard to be like our first guest, Jay Shetty. I'm trying to be Jay.
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But the question deals with leaving your current situation to try and find a job in something that you're passionate about. And I've dealt with that.
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Did you meet your wife in the wild or did you meet her online?
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Like normal, in the wild. I love it. I love it. I'm taking that. I'm using that forever.
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You met her in the wild. Yes. And you met Barack in the wild. Yeah, because there wasn't... There wasn't any.
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Yeah, it was all wild back then. So, you know, I'm interested in knowing how Adrian is... meeting people, because I agree with you. You got to get out there and open yourself up to failure on a relationship side to find that right person. And I think it feels like in this day and age,
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To your point, people are living more alone and being comfortable with being alone and doing things a certain way and don't venture out into the wild. And you might step in some dog mess every now and then. You clean your shoe off. You can't be like me and throw your shoe away when you step in some dog mess.
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Yeah, yeah. And we've got a great guest for this. Jay Shetty is a number one New York Times bestselling author, award-winning storyteller. And I happen to be telling my sister all about someone she knows. This is really for me because I'm meeting him for the first time. He's a podcast host, which I've already said I'm trying to be like him.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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And a former monk.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. ,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,
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How about that? Dedicated to helping people train their mind for peace and purpose every day. And he hosts the popular podcast On Purpose, which you were on, by the way. I'm very excited to have him with us today. And Jay, why don't you come on out? It's good to see you, man. Thanks for being here.
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It is so nice to meet you, man. I listened to the show you did with my sister and I couldn't stop listening.
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We already know.
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Well, let me tell you this. I've been thinking about what I want to talk to you about. And I know we have to get to this question, the question that we have from our listener. But I wanted to know, Jay, I'm sure you've been on a number of shows. I can imagine that people wanted to ask you about being a monk the most.
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But we need to train ourselves.
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Speaking as men, we're not as good at being empathetic. We're locker room guys, right? And as soon as you're vulnerable in the locker room, you get attacked. And sometimes it's in a humorous way, but it's an attack. Mm-hmm. We need more people like the J's of the world, like me, like all of us who understand this issue to be out in the world doing it at the kitchen table level, to your point.
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So with that, we've talked about a lot of things. I would love to hear what you would think a couple of or a few takeaways for Adrian based on our discussion today.
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Terrific.
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And I can't add to either one of those. The only thing I will say to Adrian is don't be afraid to be an old dad and be in our ODC, which is the old dads club, because those kids will keep you young.
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I did my research. What I want to ask you about is what have you been asked about in your experience the least? And how has that informed who you are as a person now?
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So I was, see, I don't know how to think that way. I just know that Austin is 14 and I'm 62. So I was 48. Wow. Right? Does that add it up?
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Listen, you see, you got your hair now. Just wait. That stuff is gone once you have changed. No, but listen, Adrian, I hope this was helpful for you. But Jay, I want to thank you for being on. Man, it just is an absolute treat for us. Isn't he amazing? He's just amazing. And she was going on and on. I'm like, he can't be this good.
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And then I heard you and I was like, oh my God, now I'm with you in person. And I'm just so thrilled that you're a part of the family. And we absolutely want to have you back at some point.
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Thank you. Thank you, man. This has been terrific.
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Like I said, I'm trying to be you. I'm trying to be you.
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And I would venture to say that there are more people who are in your position who turned out a mess because they were refereeing their parents. I mean, I think you got to feel pretty good about where you are given the position you were in.
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That actually leads to our question from our listener, Adrienne.
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Well, it is great to see you.
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I miss not recording with you and spending time with you.
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This segment is brought to you by Indeed. Hey, Mish, you remember your first job?
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We have to figure out how to get here more often.
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Do you remember my first job?
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Yes, that was a great first job for me. Consolidated concessions. And what we did were, you know, the vendors were the guys who were like, hey, peanuts, hey, popcorn. Well, we supplied those guys with their basket of stuff, whether it was hot dogs, because I remember... the smell of boiled hot dogs. We would take the hot dogs right out of the hot
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slather it in mustard, throw it on the bun, wrap it up, put it in the canister.
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Handling food with no gloves. This was back in the 70s.
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Yes.
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I was 14 years old and they had these trucks in Cushman. They were called Cushmans. They were small carts that you drove around to restock all of the concession stands. Yes. It's just a great experience. But the world's changed so much, but the hiring process is still stuck in the past. That's why we've partnered with Indeed to discuss how better work helps create better lives.
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Indeed is helping job seekers elevate their skills so that they can match with employers better and faster. In turn, employers get qualified candidates. Job seekers are working harder than ever, but struggling to find the right opportunities. At the same time, employers are screening out qualified candidates without realizing it and struggling to fill their open roles.
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That's why Indeed is focused on skills-first hiring, helping people get jobs based on what they can do, not just where they went to school or who they know. Mish, for example, there was no school that taught me how to be a basketball coach. It was a lot of skills that I had picked up while I was working in corporate America.
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Listen, it's not their fault. It's our fault. Between basketball and music and school, it just makes it tough. But, I mean, I really appreciate you having us here. How about this?
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You know, you think about project management, communication, understanding how to manage people. Those were things that I had to learn before I started coaching. But it's not just about getting hired. It's about finding a workplace that actually supports you because a great workplace impacts overall happiness.
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Another way Indeed is championing better work is by conducting the largest study on work well-being and actually creating the Work Well-Being Score, which is a score based on the current employee's real experiences at a company, measuring happiness, purpose, stress, and satisfaction.
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Finding the right opportunity can change your life, and Indeed is helping match those looking for better work to those offering it. from encouraging equitable hiring practices to empowering employees. Together, we can create a world that really can work better. We're so thrilled that Pine Sol is a partner of IMO. Pine Sol has been connected to our family forever.
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To this day, whenever my sister and I catch the scent of Pine Sol, we automatically feel better about life. The smell of Pine Sol has always taken us back to our childhood home. It is amazing how smells can transport you to a place or a moment in time. Another smell that takes me back is cherry blossoms, which always remind me of visiting Michelle in D.C.
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And I am Craig.
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Every week we'll be joined by some of our friends, special guests and experts who will keep us honest.
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And look, we're not saying we have all the answers either.
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So get in touch. Send us your questions and join us every week.
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And you all know my sister Michelle, or Mish as our family has always called her.
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Right, right. And we could talk about our dad for two shows, right? But we've got the perfect guest to talk about happiness and adversity and all that kind of stuff. Dr. Lori Santos is a Yale professor. Thank you. Oh, you guys. All right. All right.
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She's host of a wildly popular podcast called The Happiness Lab. She's also the teacher of one of the most popular classes at Yale.
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I wish we had it. And that's Psychology and the Good Life. And she's just an all-around great person. So can you welcome Dr. Lori Santos, everybody?
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Unfortunately, we're on a time constraint here, and I cannot wait to hear you talk more about your podcast and your class, but we've got a live questioner here. And I know we have a person, James, are you here? Oh, there he is, James. James, can you stand up?
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But let me cut in here. She had to read from a prompter. I memorized mine.
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Wait, the young folks don't know what that is.
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Laurie, I want to get, James' question sort of deals with a little bit of hopelessness there. And I was just trying to figure out what does it mean for our culture with so many people feeling hopeless?
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Michelle and I are here in Austin for South by Southwest, and we are joined by the Rivian founder and CEO, RJ. RJ, how's it going? It's going well. It's great to have you guys here. It's great to be here.
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I do, I do.
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That was really nice of you to do that. And I got to tell you, for me being 6'6", and for you probably, which is now I understand why there's enough leg room in the car. There's... Ample legroom in the front and the back seat. And then if you want to use the third seat, there's plenty of room there. Not only legroom, but headroom, storage space, the navigation system.
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And it made me wonder what was in the mind of somebody who developed such a beautiful car.
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I was looking out for her. Left prompter out. I was looking out for you. I knew you hadn't memorized it, so I didn't want you to be surprised.
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When that wasn't working.
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You know, our mom, and Misha will remember this, obviously we didn't have social media growing up, but we had friends who had stuff or friends who said things, and our mom was always, why do you care about what they say? And... I find trying to give my kids that advice is hard with social media, and I think a lot of parents find it hard. How do we balance that these days with social media?
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Because we recently were talking with someone else who was telling us, if you take social media away, you've got to replace it with something. But my question is, how do we help folks find a balance here?
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That was the last time. And look at us now. We are here launching our new podcast, IMO. Yeah. Yeah. And we're already doing a live show.
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He wore a tan suit.
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I don't know about that.
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I fly commercial.
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Okay. See? It's a good thing I'm here. It's a good thing I'm here. You know, with this face, walking around, flying commercial, how's Michelle? Tell Michelle I said hi.
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But before we go any further, I just want to say how grateful we are to partner with the folks at Rivian who have enabled us to do this podcast. Thank you, folks. I really appreciate it.
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Lori, what can we do to find hope when things are tough? Like in James' situation, he's looking at his friends who have lost things in a fire or other personal disasters, what can we do?
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So how's this working? How are we going to do this, this podcast?
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Only because I want to give James some takeaways, but I... This is Craig's job, too. We also have the happiness doctor here. So how can we... And let me back up, because our mom used to say, you're responsible for your own happiness.
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And that was some of the most empowering advice she ever gave us. How can we help those out there who don't have a Marianne Robinson or a social group? How can we help them work through making themselves happy?
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Yeah. I started out in corporate America and moved into coaching, but I always felt like I wanted to be a coach or a teacher because I was coached and mentored by my dad, my mom, and really good coaches. And I thought it was really the reason why I got to do all the wonderful things I got to do. And I felt like I needed to share that with all these other young people out there.
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And to Lori's point, It makes me feel fantastic and it just is just such a wonderful warm feeling to be able to help folks.
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All right. So for James, we've got five minutes for some takeaways. And that was a great place to start. You find your light. All right. I'm looking toward Lori for a couple of takeaways.
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Wow.
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That's a great point to end on, Mish. Please... Help me thank Dr. Lori Santos for being with us.
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As you can see, we do have a lot of opinions and we could keep this thing going on and on, but you have other things to go to. But before we go, I just want to say thanks for following us on our new IMO podcast journey.
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And please submit questions to imopod.com. And listen and subscribe. Thank you all for being here.
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63.
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Although people, because she's so iconic, people think I'm her little brother, if you can believe that.
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That is true.
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Yeah. And we're always doing it at home with our families answering questions. So we're going to be doing that with our listeners. So as more as we get going, you'll see we'll have listener questions and we'll have one later today. So stay tuned.
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You all are nice. But how about my sister, Michelle Obama?
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Oh, go ahead and clap. Yeah. See, we're not used to a live audience yet. No, I absolutely agree with Mish. And to her point, and in the video, we talked about not having all the opinions.
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Or all the answers. We got plenty of opinions, but not all the answers. We're going to have a guest with us on most of our episodes. But sometimes it'll just be the two of us kind of chopping it up. But before we bring out our special guest today, I thought I'd pose a question to my sister. Because it's interesting, now that we're doing the podcast, we talk all the time.
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But now we save our talking. For when we see each other now.
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But do you remember how mom and dad taught us how to handle adversity?
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I appreciate it. And I appreciate Monica remembering that I used to be a coach.
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I do, I do.
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So I was, I was worried about, and you know, back in the 70s, there were a lot of house fires. I don't know about you guys.
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There weren't, no sprinkler systems.
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Thanks, Monica.
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So I was always worried that we lived on the second floor and our dad couldn't get around. So how would we get out if there were a fire? So I coming home from school and having done a fire drill at school, I set up a fire drill for us at home.
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I made my dad. Get on the floor. He had to be humiliated.
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I had him stand up and I grabbed him from behind and put my arms under his shoulders and then just leaned him back. And I dragged him through every room of the house to make sure that I could get him. around, and he let me do that. God bless him.
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It's been a while.
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She was right there.
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Remind me. What are you thinking?
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Well, we never missed birthdays and we always celebrated birthdays, but they weren't a big deal like where we had a party. Like, I think you had one or two birthday parties.
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And you played pin the tail on the donkey in the yard or somewhere like that. But as a family, we celebrated everybody's birthday, and it was a big deal.
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Every now and then. that community of relatives that were around us would come over, and it didn't matter what the day. If it was Thursday and everybody had to go to work on Friday, they would come over and sing happy birthday, give cards out. Birthdays were always celebrated in our family.
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Mish talked about our grandfather's apartment being on fire. Fire back then in the 70s was a real thing. Houses caught on fire a lot.
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Smoke detectors.
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And I had to unlearn worrying about... Our house being on fire. I mean, I grew up completely obsessed with being able to recognize if the house was going to be on fire, number one, and then having the ability to get everyone out. And you know our dad had MS, and so he walked with a limp from the time I could remember. He then had a cane, and then he had the crutches that went around his arm.
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And I would practice dragging him with my arms under his shoulders around the house. And he would, I know it was humiliating, but he'd let me do it. And my mom would be like, Craig, put Frazier down. Just stop doing that. And I wanted to make sure I could drag him through the house. And we had like 14 stairs down to get out. I didn't drag him down there, but I knew I could if I had to.
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That's something I had to unlearn because that was a real fear of mine was a fear of dying in a fire.
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Yeah.
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Well, what it took was I realized it was irrational as I got older because there were less house fires. And I guess it wasn't irrational because there were actually house fires. But the advent of smoke detectors and the advent of sort of non-inflammable or what is it? Non-inflammable.
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items around the house, I was always worried about a fire starting. And we had a fire start in our kitchen.
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And the flame came up and then sure enough... You're like, this is it.
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Mom came in and put it under the sink and it was over. Saved the day.
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like how to start planning for retirement, creating a healthy skincare routine, understanding when and how much to tip someone, and so much more.
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We need to be coached throughout our lives. My mom wanted us to be independent children. And she would always tell me, stop worrying about your sister.
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You were about 10 years old. I was probably more like 12 because I could ride to Rainbow Beach. So figure I'm 12 years old. Which is a beach in our neighborhood. Seventh grade-ish. A department store near our house called Goldblatt's had a sale on 10-speed bikes, the kind with the handlebars they go under. That was brand new back then. They were yellow. And they sold a ton of them. And I got one.
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And it had to be. I must have gotten it for my birthday. So it was probably around this time of the year. But it didn't come with the clamps to hold the cables along the yoke. So my mom used these twist ties that she got from the baggies that you would put stuff in before you had the Ziploc. You had these bags. And then you put these green and white twisty ties on it. So she put them on my bike.
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And there is a point to this.
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So I'm riding my bike by myself down 75th Street, which if you head east, you run right into Lake Michigan. And I'm almost there. And a policeman comes up to me while I'm riding. And I'm on the sidewalk. And he's in the street, turns his lights on, tells me to pull over. And I stop. And I was like, officer, how can I help? Because I'm always happy to see a policeman.
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My uncle's a policeman and officer friendly in school. And he said, where'd you get that bike? And I said, oh, I got it for my birthday. I just got it. I mean, take a look at it. I was proud of it. I was like, this is my new 10-speed bike. He said, you stole that bike. Now, this was a Black police officer. And I was like, no, no.
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And it was so out of the realm of my mind to be accused of stealing a bike. I wasn't even worried at first. I just said, no, no, listen, you got it all wrong. This is a brand new bike that I got. And he was like, I know you stole that bike. And he was basing it on the fact that someone who had bought a similar bike had it stolen and their mom used twist ties to put them on the cables.
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So he wouldn't believe me. And so now I'm getting worried and he picks up my bike and puts it in the trunk of the car, puts me in the back of the car and says, where do you live? And I said, I told him where I lived and he was, I said, you'll realize this is my bike. We can go right to my mom's, right to my house. So we pull up to my house, and by this time, I'm in tears. I'm just beside myself.
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I ring the doorbell, and my mom was worried because she knew I was gone for a long bike ride. She comes out, and I said, the policeman has accused me of stealing this bike, and I'm in tears. She comes out and she said, wait inside. And I'm on our front porch looking out or actually I'm upstairs looking down because we lived upstairs.
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I'm looking down and I see her and I can tell she is pissed and she is talking to him like she would talk to us if we were in trouble. And all I can see is the policeman trying to defend himself. So after about 20 minutes, she yells up to the window, Craig, come down here. And she said, this policeman has something to say to you. And this dude took off his hat and apologized immediately.
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for accusing me of stealing his bike. And as it turned out, they ended up finding the guy, but it was, you know, that's kind of the collateral damage of being a young black kid living in the city.
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At 10 years old.
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It was frightening. It was frightening.
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She's the one who turned me on to you. So this is like old home week. I know.
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See, I still have a couple of young kids at home. So I've got a 15-year-old and a 13-year-old. So I'm still in the education process for those guys because we live in a suburb and we have a relatively safe environment. So our kids aren't growing up
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with that kind of fear that we had, but I have to make them aware of it because at some point they're gonna be away from us and they're gonna be in a place where they're going to encounter that. I'm trying to be as empathetic as I can because that's how we were taught to deal with this kind of behavior. Our mom always said, just put yourself in the other guy's shoes.
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He's probably had a bad upbringing. an ignorant upbringing. His folks didn't know anything. And that's how I always view people who treated me with disdain because of my race or because of where I'm from or anything. And I'm trying to help my, even my older kids who are 33 and 29, they're pretty much formed and are handling things on their own.
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But it's a good reminder to talk about this and put some coping strategies together for especially our teenagers, because they're going to encounter this at some point.
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And you hear this, this is why we're doing IMO, right? It's just to be able to take the lessons we've learned and the experiences that we've gone through and hers being at the level of the White House and mine being what they are, sort of, I'm still the regular guy in the family.
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We're hoping that we can share some of these with folks and learn some things from the people that we have on like you. Just listening to her do that. This is the most fun I am having other than hanging with my kids and my family. I just get goosebumps when you hear some good wisdom from
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and we can just ambush her. Oh, I love that.
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The first thing that comes to my mind is that, as Mish said, we were so blessed to have such good parents. I feel obligated to be a great parent. as a tribute to my own parents.
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Craig, can we get the look? I was worried. I had this...
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I do know what a great parent looks like, but I also am so thankful for the sacrifices that they made so that we could thrive. And it makes sense. And irrespective of whatever my passion is, which is basketball or coaching or mentoring, And the first responsibility I have are to the four kids that I brought into this world. And that's an easy one, Jay, for me to do.
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So if I had to sacrifice my passion for my kids, I would have sacrificed. Fortunately, coaching is a terrific environment to raise kids because you're around other young people. And it really is like having 15 kids instead of just four. I would say there is a discipline that comes with it. And you talked about this being aligned. We call it united front in our house, no matter what we're doing.
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And I was holding on because I was worried.
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thinking we are going to come to an agreement when it comes to, all right, let's give some advice to this kid. This is the advice. Sometimes it's what Kelly wants, and sometimes it's what I want.
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My wife, Kelly. So there's a coordinated communication. There's discipline. And then most of all, and I think... I hear the word me time in these young parents. My parents never talked about me time. Their me time was our time. And I know from a mental health standpoint, we all need to get away and be on our own.
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But I would do that after I made sure my kids were solidly on good footing before I was worried about I need a vacation with my boys to go to Vegas. And I just saw my dad, and you talked about it, he was a shift worker for the city of Chicago. But he made time, no matter what shift he was on, to attend our events.
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To play with us when he got home, no matter how tired he was, he made us the priority. So it's not hard work for, it doesn't feel like it's hard work for me and for us. We just had really good role models and we were well coached in parenting. September, 1979.
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It's like yours. It's the picture. And I remember back to when I was three and four, some things, but that when I don't, but when I see the picture, it just warms my heart every time I see it.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
That's what I was going to say. Mish does a good job talking about how people don't like friction. And sometimes you need friction as a parent, especially those who are doing the coddling. They're doing that for themselves. You are not helping your kid by doing it because parenting this way is hard and it causes friction in your inside.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
When we say, okay, you can take your scooter to the store and go pick up some stuff and bring it back, that's hard. It would have been easy for me to take you to the store and make sure you got back in the car. And nothing made me feel better. better about doing this kind of stuff was when I found out that our parents were deathly afraid of us traveling on our own.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
Okay, now you did this to me when you came on our show. That is a question I've never been asked. I love it. I love it. You got me back. You got me back. Okay.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
Mish had an opportunity to go to France. I played bitty basketball and there was a trip to Kansas City and to New Orleans. And we came to find out later that our parents were Fearful of us going on these, but they did it. For the reasons we talked about. The same reasons we talked about, but they did it anyway because they knew it was important for our development.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
And I'm just thinking about the agita in their stomachs when they're letting go of us. You know, your kids are leaving town without you.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
A secret.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
I would say I was your typical guy, right? when it came to therapy and typical guy of color, because I wasn't exposed to therapy until I got to college and I found out that kids my age were going to therapy. And I was like, well, what is going on in that head? Because I didn't understand it. Now, you jump ahead. In my first marriage, that was when it hit.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
When it started to have trouble, we would go to couples therapy, and then I would go to therapy on my own. And I realized that my last statement about not knowing what therapy was— and not doing it, I just did it in a different way. My therapy was the barbershop. It wasn't church for me because I wasn't a church goer, but for some people it's church.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
But for me, it is fellowship with my good friends that I can tell stuff to. But I wasn't a real therapy guy until I had trouble in my first marriage and But I'm happy to say that my two older children are regular therapy goers. And it just warms my heart because it wasn't like I said, you know, you guys should go to therapy. They just kind of did it on themselves. So I am a big believer in it.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
And I'm sure people have used this analogy before, but we tune up just about everything in our lives. You know, we tune up our cars, we tune up our electronics, but we don't tune up our minds and our emotions. And we should. And I have to say that you got into therapy, I think, before I did. And that kind of opened my eyes to it, too, even before I was having trouble in my marriage.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
So you can share your experience.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
And it was that old paneling look. So it was that fake wood that was like- And the ceiling didn't go all the way to the top of the roof.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
Hey, everyone, this is Molly and Matt, and we're the hosts of Grown Up Stuff, How to Adult, a podcast from Ruby Studio and iHeart Podcasts.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
I actually thought Misha was going to touch on this a little earlier, but our mom, and you've been so gracious to say nice things about us and our success and all the wonderful things that we've been able to do. Marianne Robinson, our mom, used to say, my kids aren't any different from the kids they grew up with. And she is absolutely right.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
She would say, I was fortunate enough not to have to go to work. And we encouraged them to work hard. They never said you had to get straight A's. They just said, work hard, have high self-esteem, treat people nicely. But she always bragged on the kids who we grew up with and kids around the globe.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
So I can think of a secret. So this is the discovery of Santa Claus.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
And that's I take that to heart. And that's where my guilt is. I am fortunate to be sitting here talking to Jay Shetty in his studio about myself. It's almost embarrassing. Because I feel like my mom, like, I grew up with a ton of guys who could have been bond traders. Could have been easy.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
And they just had some different decisions and different parenting and different bumps in the road that they couldn't handle. And I do feel guilty about that, which... Sort of like survivor's remorse.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
And it explains my sort of wanting to be philanthropic with my... my emotions, my stories, because they're but for the grace of God, right? And so when she would say that, it'd be like, what are you going to say? She's absolutely right. She is absolutely right. And she led by example. So not only did she parent us, but she was up at the school parenting other people, helping.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
I remember when she taught this kid how to multiply.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
So we, Jay, as you know, we lived in a two family home. We lived on the top floor, very small apartment. Our great aunt Robbie and uncle Terry lived downstairs. And in our basement, which wasn't finished, it was a concrete basement, pillars, washing machine, furnace, storage room. But then there was a table that was like a workbench and a refrigerator that didn't work or wasn't plugged in.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
Before they were room parents, she just came up and volunteered. And she was teaching this young kid who was in my grade, fourth grade, how to multiply. And he just couldn't figure it out. And she said, multiplication is just adding numbers. multiple times. And he was like, well, I can't figure this out. And she said, use your fingers. And he said, I don't want to use my fingers.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
I'm in fourth grade. I'm embarrassed to use my fingers. And my mom would say, well, then don't show anybody. Just put your hand on your desk and press down on your fingers. I was like, that's ingenious. That's With others, we got that every day. Every day.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
So I feel a little bit of survivor's guilt when it comes to the opportunities that I've had in my life because I do feel like she does that it could have been anybody.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
There's so many things that my mom would be proud of. She would be proud of her as a parent. Another one of her greatest compliments was the fact that she never had to worry about her grandkids. That warms both of our hearts because, as Mish said, our older kids are off and running and not bounce back. And that made her feel like she taught us how to be good parents. And I think...
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
Just a cool grandma because she didn't have to discipline or raise or house. She could just come over and candy for everybody, jump on the couch and do whatever you want. And she really relished in that role. I think she would be proud of Mish for that. I think she would be proud of... how Mish has been able to have a colossal effect on so many people. And that is amazing.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
White House notwithstanding, White House is gone. Look at what she's doing now. I mean, it is a massive, massive uplift for so many people who don't get to be her brother or be her husband or child. So I think those are two really good things. But most importantly, she would be very proud that she is a terrific wife because we all revered my father. All of us.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
My mom, the kids, all of our relatives. He was like the beacon in our family. And my mom was tough on him, but she loved him. And Mish reminds me of that with her relationship with Barack. Just because you're the president of the United States doesn't mean you're getting off easy. My mom would like that. But then she would be like, he's got a lot of stuff going on. Don't be so hard on him.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
You know what I mean? It's just, I think she would appreciate that.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
I'm a podcaster now.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
It was an old refrigerator.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
We played hockey. We'd ride our bikes. We'd do all kinds of stuff. And Mish was down there once by herself. and came running upstairs. Craig, Craig, come here, come here, come here. And she took me downstairs. She opens up the refrigerator, and there are two empty boxes for boxing gloves. Now, this is June or July.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
Yes, sir.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
Yeah. We're going to drag her up here. Hooker by crook. We're going to drag her up here.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
Thank you both so much. Thanks, man.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
We got boxing gloves for Christmas the year before. Oh, okay. And she deduced—
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
Because our mom didn't wrap the presents. She set them under the tree as if Santa had just brought toys and didn't wrap them. And I remember me saying, mom and dad are Santa Claus.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
My mom wanted us to be independent children. And she would always tell me, stop worrying about your sister. Because whenever I did something, I wanted to include her. If I was going outside and she was outside, I felt like I had to keep an eye on her. I felt like I had to protect her. And my mom always said to not do that.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
First of all, she didn't want Mish to have to feel like she was being looked after by her brother. That's what her parents were for. And she didn't want me to have to worry about her. But I will say that I couldn't stop worrying about her. So I have been looking after her from the time she was a little kid and I was holding her arm. We ended up in college together at Princeton.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
And you remember when we drove to South Carolina?
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
We rented a car.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
For spring break and drove to South Carolina.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
They had moved down there from Chicago. And we thought we'd surprise them. And the two of us were going to drive, but I was so worried about her driving that I tried to drive the entire way by myself. And, you know, six hours in.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
She's very capable and a very good driver. But I was, you know, me and Mr. Worry Ward. So finally I had to just take a nap.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
But at every 15 minutes after I fall asleep, I'd be like, are you okay?
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
Which was around the corner from us.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson: Break the Generational Patterns Holding You Back (How to Build Confidence, Responsibility, and Emotional Resilience)
Mm-hmm.
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Oh, you did?
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And we just posted the trailer if you want to check it out.
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300.
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Remember when we used to share a bedroom? Yeah.
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That's right.
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No, it was one bedroom.
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But that was the only bedroom. The room we were in was actually the living room. And the living room that we, what we called the living room was actually the dining room.
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2008?
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$102,000.
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$40,000.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
You just don't show it. But I will say, at least from my standpoint, mom and dad, but mom especially, she taught us empathy almost to a fault, right? So she always said, you remember how she always said, put yourself in the other person's shoes. And she would always say, you never know what's going on in someone else's home. And so I always approached negativity toward me with empathy.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
That was the first thing. It's like, oh, what happened to you that made you so mean and evil? The other thing that our parents were really big on was do not care what anybody else who's not sitting at this table thinks. if we ever said somebody said something and it affected the way we behaved, that's when you saw anger from my parents.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
You got in trouble with my parents. I mean, it was crack back right away.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
They would be like, so you're telling me that what whoever this is over here said is more important to you than what you hear around this table? Then you can go live with so-and-so.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
Saab, drive-in attorney.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
Well, she called me up and said, hey, I met a guy. I want to bring him by. And my mom, my dad, and I were sitting on our front porch. And she pulls up in her nice Saab 900 that you've heard a lot about. And he gets out of the car. And that was the first time we met him.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
Honestly, I was like, you know, he may last two months because he'd do something and be like, oh, that's a deal breaker, and he'd be on his way. And I remember my mom saying, well, at least he's tall. We were just meeting them like we would meet somebody she'd bring by.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
She didn't bring a lot of guys by. So that's why we thought it wouldn't last that long because she didn't bring too many guys by.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
But we heard about them.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
Yeah, well. I have known my sister a long time.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
I met more than two guys.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
Well, okay. Well, I met them. Wow.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
I met them.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
No, they didn't meet mom and dad, but that's because we weren't in Chicago.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
And the way it was set up, how it was supposed to be used, it was a one-bedroom apartment. And the living room was the room that we shared as a bedroom. And the one bedroom it had was where my mom and dad lived. And the whole thing could have been 700 square feet.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
Let me back up. Because I had been a basketball coach at a big conference— I always had to tell them, don't worry about what people say in the newspaper. I'm doing exactly what I love to do. And that doesn't bother me at all. But then once they got in the White House, I had to tell myself that. Because I knew that they were doing the best that they could do for the most people.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
no matter what anybody said. But because it's my little sister and brother-in-law and my mom was in the White House and my nieces, there were times where I would find myself becoming enraged and I'd have to coach myself to, I know they're doing the best they're doing they can do for the most people. And I would not want anybody else sitting in that seat but my sister and brother-in-law.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
And that's how I got through. Eight years of that.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
And it's mean. It's just mean. And I lean back on the lessons I learned from my parents a long time ago. I wasn't worried about what anybody said who wasn't at this table. And I coached, I counseled my family, my immediate family, the same thing. Because our older kids were old enough to read the papers and read the news and things online. But Misha always talks about this.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
In order to get through that... She always says she needed the village of her friends and family. And I just wanted to be a supportive piece of that. And we tried to get out there as much as we could and make it as normal as you can, you know, having Thanksgiving in the White House. You know, that's an oxymoron, almost having a normal Thanksgiving in the White House.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
But we tried to make it as normal as we could.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
And what did you think of him? Honestly, I was like, he may last two months. I remember my mom saying, well, at least he's tall.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
to Misha's point, he was the guy who was giving kids rides to practice and to games because their parents couldn't go. And he would be sharing stories, sharing his values. It was just embedded in his being to pass on knowledge that he had. And with regard to my mom, You know, my mom, I think, is where, at least where I get my philanthropic gene from.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
Yeah, yeah, it's still painful. But, you know, I'll go back to what I said at the very beginning when you talked about the values we had. The underlying value was unconditional love. And Misha and I knew that our mom loved us. And even more importantly, she knew we loved her. She knew her grandkids loved her. So while her dying was traumatic and disappointing and sad...
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
I always feel like she knew where we stood, and it was right before she passed away, and we knew she was going to be leaving us. And I said, you know, Mish and Barack are on her way. And she was like, oh, that's nice. And she just said that.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
Yeah. I just miss her, right? But I feel like she knows how we feel about her, and that's always comforting. And speaking of comfort, that's how I felt when she was in the White House for them because I didn't have to worry about them when she was there.
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Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
Not with money, because we didn't have any, but with our time and with our resource, whatever resources we had. What was behind all of this was unconditional love.
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Listen, if they were having a problem, I'd be doing a podcast with him.
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Yeah. At this age, we've got our boundaries well set.
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Absolute treat to be spending time with you. Thanks for having us on.
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I hope not.
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Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
They're leaving the neighborhood, leaving the whole of South Shore.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
But you're also, you were Ivy league, like MVPs.
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Let me get to that. So listen, that, so, so it would be the guys I worked out with, uh,
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he it wouldn't be fair for him so i said that to her she was like oh come on please you got to do it so i called up some guys that i knew who were like me but were weren't going to be trying to kill them right so you know if if you were in chicago at the time i would have called you i called arnie duncan up i called my friend john rogers athletes but not like nba guys but not the
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
the summer league guys that I'm working out with. And so, so I, I, and I called him up and said, Hey, we're playing up at, you know, I forgot where we were. University of Chicago. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. University of Chicago.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
Okay. Let's, let's go play. He came. And it was, we, we started playing and I'm just, you know, we're playing a nice friendly game and it's, it's fine.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
It's three on three and four on four half court. Okay. So, you know, you can hide in a full court game.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
Half court game, half court game. You have to be engaged or you'll get, you'll get called out. But he was, he was terrific, right? He was a decent player. And I always say he's a left, a real lefty. So he dribbles to his left and shoots with his left hand. You know, some lefties are really right handed. They shoot with their left hand.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
I do.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
The athletes know. The athletes know. But here's what I liked. you know how when you follow a guy, you know, you follow a guy. And in a gentleman's game, you just say, Hey, you're a ball. I follow you. You're not trying to call it. Yeah. You call it as the defender. Yes. And he did that. And I was like, that's a really good sign early on.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
And then the other thing is he didn't shoot too much, but he didn't pass too much. Like he took the open shots and, And he passed when he wasn't open. But the thing that really put him over the top was he didn't just pass me the ball knowing I was her brother. Yeah, let's make you look good. Listen, you know how that is. Dude would be like, hey, hey, Craig, shoot, you take the shot.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
And I'm like, oh, come on, man. So I was able to go back and report that the Robinson basketball is... Well, we got married, so obviously... It worked out, yeah, yeah. Now, here's the thing.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
We shared a room our whole time growing up. Wow. Until I went to high school. And then we turned the back porch into a bedroom. Yeah. You know, finished it off and enclosed it and insulated it. And that became my kitchen, my bed, my bedroom. But I would say our entire apartment was as big as this area right here. And that was the kitchen. And in the kitchen had a table. So it wasn't a dining room.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
You come through the hallway, that bathroom would have been right there. And the stairs down would have been across this area. which was considered the living room was really the dining room. But we used it as a living room, one bedroom in there. And then the living room was there that we use for our bedroom. That's incredible.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
We started out with our beds head to head like this when we were really little. And then when we got older, my grandfather, my paternal grandfather, Southside, who we called him that because we had a, he used to live on the West side. We had two grandfathers and we would say, which house are we going to, Westside Grandpa or Southside Grandpa?
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
We used to say Westside, and then he moved to the Southside, so we named him Southside. He built a paneled T down the middle of that room, so that turned into one bedroom for me, one bedroom for Mish, and then a common room. So, yeah, we shared rooms.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
So I'll give it to you in coaching terms. Yeah. Before people were coaching confidence, they were coaching confidence.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
What would they say or do or react? This is what it would look like. Mom, how do you learn how to read? And I'm four years old. Instead of saying, you put letters together, she said, here, go get a book. I'll show you how to read. She taught me how to read when I was four years old because I asked her, how do you read? And every time I asked her, how do you do something?
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
She stopped what she was doing and she showed me. So then I felt and then she would talk about how wonderful it was that I could read or that I could tell time or that we could go around the block on our bikes by ourselves. And. That, it's really interesting because today people talk about coaching confidence and leading with confidence. When we grew up, leaders didn't do that.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
They broke you down to build you back up.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
They yelled at you, and it was just a different mentality back then. Even in corporate America back then, people put you through the gauntlet and didn't coach confidence. They told you how poorly you were doing, and then they hoped that the cream would rise to the top. Our parents did the exact opposite. How did they learn how to do that? Like they were ahead of the game.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
Yeah, you were already there for two years, right? Or a year or two? Yeah, I was there for two years and what she's being nice, but what she really said was, if this dude can get in, I'm going to go home.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
yeah i'm smarter than him she is a better student than i was i was a guy who could do well on tests i never studied interesting so my first years at princeton i got killed because you have to be able to study there wow but my sister is studious and smart and just the bad she get she got frazzled on the test yeah yeah and me i was like uh You know, process of elimination.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
Sat in a few classes.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
I've learned a lot from my sister. And, you know, people, now that she's iconic, people think that my sister is older than me, but she is really 20 months younger than I am. And she is so full of wisdom, I could probably tick off about four or five different things. But...
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
Especially in the age of social media, all these guys want to read about themselves. And it was a real challenge to try and get them to stay off their phones and reading because most of the feedback is going to be negative. That's just the nature of it.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
So Jordan retires to play baseball. Jordan retired to play baseball. And when he came back, people were hearing he was working out. And he wanted some guys to work out with. who could play enough but weren't like gorillas while he was getting in shape. Tim Grover, who was his workout guy. Yeah, Tim's a buddy of mine.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
So Tim knows the story because Tim was the one who called, again, Arnie Duncan, myself, John Rogers, and a couple other guys. And we played two-on-two or three-on-three, and then when he got in shape, we played five-on-five. And then when he was ready— When he got past us, he went to the real dudes to work out.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
Summer League.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
Yeah, because, you know, I think I was in my late 30s probably then. So we could give him a safe game. We knew the game. We knew how to guard him without jumping into his landing spot so he'd get a twisted ankle. Yeah. And he was so gracious. That's cool. But he was as tough as he was on the last dance. He didn't want to lose anything, probably. He was trying to beat us every single time.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
He was the opposite of Barack. He wasn't passing the ball. He was working on his game, seriously, and working on his sort of emotional and mental attitude, too. Wow. And he has been absolutely gracious every time I run into him. You know, when I was working for the Bucs, I'd run into him, work for the Knicks, I'd run into him, we'd be at All-Star.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
And, hey, Craig E. And he's just, he is just the same person that he is. He has always been the same person. That's cool.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
But, you know, I had played against him in the Summer League in Chicago when he first came. So Chicago had one of the best summer league basketball leagues because Chicago was one of the few places where you had pros, college players, and high school players. So when Jordan got drafted by Chicago, we played up at Chicago State University. He'd be college.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
We were in the world. And then he shows up after he gets drafted, and he's playing in the summer league that I'm playing in. Wow. That's crazy. It was fantastic. It was just the place was packed.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
How did he do? How was his... He did. I'll let her finish. Okay.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
And being a charter member, you're continuously parenting. And she said... To me, make sure that you're taking your wife out on dates. And, you know, my wife is a coach's wife. So she's used to handling 20 student athletes at a time, you know, or 20 people in our house at a time and not saying a word about what her needs are. Putting herself last.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
Oh, yeah.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
Putting herself last, like a lot of women do, like most women do. I can even say that. And it was such nice advice to hear from her because it enabled me to do it before my wife had to ask me to do it. And it was, it's really, and we.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
Yeah, that's a terrific question. And the way we approach it is you all haven't done anything yet. So you can't. This isn't about you. This is not about you yet. You got to earn your keep and do your chores and you get good grades and you behave. Then you start to get rewarded. But. Because you don't want to rob the confidence of them making mistakes and building their own thing, right?
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
So how do you do that? Well, we're trying to do it like our parents did it. Give them, coach them for confidence and hard work. The results will come. And I always thought that my parents did me such a justice. When when I got older, I realized there were a lot of kids who I went to school with, both in high school and in college, whose parents were cracking the whip for them to get good grades.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
And it prevented them from getting good grades. And my parents always said, look, if you do your best, I trust that you'll get good grades. So don't worry about it. Just do your best. And whenever I didn't do my best and they asked me, I had to say I didn't do my best because it might come back in evidence at the end. But it was rare because they trained us to just do your best.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
That's all we want. We don't forget about the grades. Do your best. Wow. And it was the same in sports. Just do your best. And I'm trying to do that with our kids, even though we have more than what we did growing up. Does mean our kids have to have, you know, four times as much as that they would have had. Right. And it's not like, you know.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
We would get pizza growing up when we got report cards. That was our reward for good report cards. Italian fiesta, pizza. Let's go. We do the same with these kids, but we have pizza more often than when we did. We go out to dinner more. Yeah, yeah, of course. Go on better vacations. Sure. But when it comes down to just working, just just work hard, work hard and you'll be rewarded.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
And that's that's that's you know, and and it's it's lovely to see between my two older kids and her two older kids or two kids. They're all adults out on their own in their, you know, in their early 20s and early 30s, not in our basements. Right. So it's and they figured out budgets. They figured out their relationship with money. And that's the one thing that my dad spent money.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
a good amount of time with us showing us the value of money. And I think that's important too in this day and age because we do have more money than I did growing up and helping our kids understand. Like my wife, Kelly, she only buys stuff on sale. So our kids look for things when they want something, they know it's got to be on sale or they got to spend their own money. Interesting. Yeah.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
That's cool. Yeah.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
You can, you can check in. Yeah, yeah.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
Really check. And, and we don't do anything but sit and talk about the kids, you know, when we go on these dates, but it's, it's, it's just, it's fun. They're, they're old enough. We can leave them at home on our own. And so she gave me that advice probably about nine months ago, maybe, maybe it was a year and a half ago.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
Yeah.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
It feels like it's the same, but we're having fun when we go out. You know, we're having fun. And it also allows us to let the kids sort of have the place to themselves and not tear it up and give them some rope. And so it's a growth region for all of us.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
I think greatness is the ability to, to both have an impact on your own life and on other people's lives. I think if you can find a way to develop yourself and coach yourself up, you can inspire and develop and coach up others. And that's kind of what,
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
Sort of my life's work has been, even before I was coaching, as a player, as an executive, as a corporate worker, I always felt like we didn't inspire each other enough. Everybody was sort of an independent contractor. And if we could all be team players, we'd be in a better position. That's cool. That's cool.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
That island time. He's an island. Island time. There he goes.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
Oh, the former. Because I could not coach her like she's an athlete. Because I'm not saying you're not coachable, but...
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
No, I was more there for support. Okay. Right. I was there. I was coaching her up on the side to get her spirit up rather than technical things. Here's what you should do. I'd like to think that when we came to town, my family, my wife Kelly and my kids, it was like, all right, it's time for us to have some fun, like the old days.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
Yes, yes. Bring the normal. The normalcy that we used to have when we were in Chicago, when our mom picked up all four of our kids and took them to one of our houses and we... Had a barbecue on, you know, Friday night. So that was, I felt that was my role when they were in the White House. And then, you know, I would say being able to sit with Barack and watch a basketball game.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
Although he, he's such a good multitasker. He had so much stuff going on and then had the game on and he would know exactly what's going on in the game while he's doing all this other stuff. Interesting. But it just was nice to sort of have normal family time, albeit in the White House.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
Bomb-proof glass.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
To like feel out if he's a good guy or if he's... Yeah. Well, Lewis, you can appreciate this because... Being an athlete, and I know you're a football player.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
I was just going to say, most football players fashion themselves as basketball players.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
I did. So my dad used to, my dad and I talked basketball. My dad wasn't a basketball player, but we talked sort of basketball and how the game brings out your real character. It does. Especially pick up basketball because you have to call your own calls. Oh, I know that. And so my sister heard us popping off about that. And she said, when they first met, hey, will you take Barack out?
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
Because I really like this guy. I want to see if he's really real, if you like him based on what you and dad said on the court. And how long had you known him before that?
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
What's his character? What's his character like? What's inside of him?
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
Oh.
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Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson
Is it one-on-one? What's the scenario? Let me start with how she asked me. She said, hey, I want you to, take him out and I want to know what he's really like. And the first thing I said, I'm not doing your dirty work. No, because I was worried that if he turned out to not be a good basketball player, I'm the one who has to say, Oh no, this guy's a complete jerk.
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Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
Yeah. Yeah. And it's interesting that Misha's story is about mom because mine is about mom, but it's probably right because we just lost her. We were there with the boys. My two youngest sons are 15 and 13. And Mom, they were sitting by her and they're getting to be tall, too. And she snuggled up with them and she's patting them on the head.
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Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
And she said to them, OK, you don't have to sit with your grandma all day. You go ahead and do what you want to do. They were sort of babysitting her and she didn't want to be babysat. And then mom and I went out on the porch and she was like, you've done a good job with those two. I'm good. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It makes me want to focus on my family.
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Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
All this other stuff doesn't mean anything.
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Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
You know, and enjoy life. Like Miesch puts it, it's like 20 summers.
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Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
20 summers?
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Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
You put it that way. It's like, and to be able to do this with Miesch and learn something new and help folks in the process, it's life-changing for me. I feel like a different person getting up in the morning. I feel like I'm coaching again, right? But it's all the people who love her. I'm coaching them all. We're coaching them up. So it's really a great question.
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Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
You know how to get me choked up. That was a good question.
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Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
Iconic. You can say it. She's iconic.
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Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
And she would tell you that. She never would take credit for being singular. Yeah. She always said, and she was the ultimate team player. She was like, so-and-so's parents could do this and so-and-so's kid could do this. So-and-so is her favorite term for any person. Yeah. So-and-so.
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Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
And we used to get so mad when she'd get on us and she's trying to be like so-and-so. Who's so-and-so? Who's so-and-so?
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Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
Just say the person's name. But she never took any more credit than anybody else. She always said that there were kids in our neighborhood who could have been just like us.
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Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
We have to have the courage to be great. Yeah, that's it. Have the courage. Yeah. Because what's in us all, we all have the potential to be an all American.
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Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
Right.
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Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
Older than the two younger ones. Yeah, 15 and 13.
We Can Do Hard Things
Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
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We Can Do Hard Things
Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
Thank you. Thank you.
We Can Do Hard Things
Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
We Can Do Hard Things
Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
I do one of two things. I either go walking or I do a morning shower as opposed to a nighttime shower. A morning shower is when I think the best, even better than walking. And I don't know what it is about it. It could just be the morning. I could just be a morning person.
We Can Do Hard Things
Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
But when I need to sort of clear my mind and come up with really cool ideas or think about a problem that I'm not talking to anybody. The morning shower and shave, it's about a 20 minute shower and it's clarity for me.
We Can Do Hard Things
Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
Win-win. Clean and clean shaven. It's just like ready for the day.
We Can Do Hard Things
Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
And a great host, hostess.
We Can Do Hard Things
Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
Do you like it? Yeah, really. It's crushing. You guys are the pros.
We Can Do Hard Things
Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
No judgment. It's just something about the water, right? It just it's clarity. Yeah.
We Can Do Hard Things
Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
I need to see it. I want to be there now. I want to be there when you give her the letter. Okay. Because then if you punk out, I'm going to make you give it to her.
We Can Do Hard Things
Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
And Abby, I would correct her. I would correct me. Exactly. That's basically what we do. Yes. Is...
We Can Do Hard Things
Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
This is how we are here in Hawaii at our house. We're doing shows every day.
We Can Do Hard Things
Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
No, no, no. Just talking.
We Can Do Hard Things
Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
Yeah, and especially during this time when we lost mom. I think both of us were thinking, ugh, now we're the old heads of the family and- Yikes. What do we do now? And we really are trying to be intentional about getting together on a regular basis. And this show allows us to do that. Once a month, we get together and do it. And it's just I'm getting goosebumps just telling you about it.
We Can Do Hard Things
Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
That's how happy it makes me. So it's been great. It's just been absolutely wonderful.
We Can Do Hard Things
Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
And what I was doing, being the coach, I was like, okay, one hour social media. That's it. A hard and fast rule. And Jonathan was like, no, no, no, no. You have to replace that with something if you want to get better. Well, you guys probably know this. And so I said, well, what do we need to replace it with? He said, how about a 90 minute movie?
We Can Do Hard Things
Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
And I was like, wait, you mean replace it with television? That's great. That's doable. That's doable. Yeah.
We Can Do Hard Things
Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
I was like, Craig could have been six, eight or six, nine.
We Can Do Hard Things
Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson: Their Mother’s Last (Life-Changing) Advice
Anyway, she would say that.