Aubrey O'Day
Appearances
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
The Diddy Trial: Third Week of Testimony Resumes
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
The Diddy Trial: Third Week of Testimony Resumes
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
The Diddy Trial: Third Week of Testimony Resumes
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
The Diddy Trial: Third Week of Testimony Resumes
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
But because I called my mom, who's a lawyer, right afterward, I said, Mom, she told me, you know, don't, you need to make a record of this. And so you need to have somebody come there now and take a record of exactly what happens. But don't don't press any charges, obviously, don't take anything into a place that could be hurtful toward people, this can be a private matter. And then she also said,
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
I was like, but everyone's telling me to suck it up and that's just how things go. And I was saying like, you know, I'm being looked at like I'm being like a Karen. You know, we didn't have that word back then, but like a whiny white woman. And my mom was like, Aubrey, this isn't about color. This isn't about emotion. This is about love. you are in a workplace.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
You can't normalize someone punching you because you don't agree on something.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
What is she going to do the next time you don't agree? She already sees that she can punch you. What is she going to do next? You can't normalize that behavior in a workplace. I'm like, well, I'm not in a workplace, mom. I'm in the studio making music. This is my life. And she's like, that's your work. That's your job. You don't normalize being attacked at your job.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
If that happened in any other workplace, that would not be okay.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
You know, I know it sounds ridiculous. But it sounds like a story that we need to hear. We were all coming back and reuniting for, I believe it was the first time since Danity Kane had been destroyed in front of the world by Puff on making the band. When we came back, we all made each other a promise that we would focus on this.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
As I had just released a solo project, I wanted to release music videos, etc. But we all said, if I go and do that and other people go and do their thing, we're not showing the community that we're connected to. And that was what was kind of pinned on us, like we couldn't get it together at the end of making the band. So we wanted to show solidarity. We all agreed on that.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Unfortunately, through a series of events, we found out that Dawn was shooting her own solo videos and doing her own solo things while we had just worked so hard on a group thing. which was frustrating for me on multiple levels. I had my own project that I sacrificed. I had people living under my house on my water, my gas.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
I was the one driving her and others around because they don't have cars and everybody needed to save money. I was the storage for all of the merch, et cetera. A lot of time and investment went into these projects. And for me, my bandmate was concerned when we found out that a whole series of lies and inconsistencies were once again occurring with this girl.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
We went in a studio and sat down to discuss it. And she was getting more and more angry. We started to see a side of her we had never seen. When she made a comment like, y'all better watch yourselves, this, that, and the other. I'm not the one. And I turned around. She was behind me. And I said, respectfully, Dawn, I'm not the one either.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
And then I went back forward and said, like, listen, we need to be able to establish some type of work. And we were talking with our producing partners. So there was no lead, right? So no one could really get control of the situation. We all had to work through it. So before I knew it, she punched me. I flew into the headboard. I ran outside. My bandmate witnessed her.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
screaming up and down the halls puffing her chest up aside of her we had never known and and and it was shocking I think she almost looked shocked to me that she let it out because we had never she was so soft-spoken she was innocent she would didn't talk dirty sexually she didn't even seem to have experiences like like she just was a whole different person and That she taught us who she was.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
It was a whole different person the first time around. So, you know, now looking at all of this and understanding things that I know that occurred with her, according to people that were there and witnessed it again, we have to see what she can prove and what. where the consistencies are in her story. But maybe she learned some of that behavior during her time in Dirty Money. I don't know.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
There was a lot of bitches and hoes. Diddy loved using those words. There was your mama's a hoe. I mean, she does not know my mother. Like, there was a lot of you, your mom, a hoe, bitch, this, that, and the other back and forth. And I was outside like getting counsel. And so I made sure that we took a record of what occurred that day with authorities.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
And then we didn't return and allow anybody to talk us into it. She went later on, went and said, it's because of vocals. And we wanted our vocals over hers. And, you know, basically implied as she had told us before, she's a real singer, and me and Shannon weren't, basically.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
What you saw yesterday were three people that were utilized to confirm and bring more of driving home the force and coercion part in regards to the sex trafficking, basically to validate claims that Cassie made. Some of the people on the stand have their own civil cases. Some don't. There was my ex-bandmate, Dawn Richard, took this stand.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
But when you ask that specific question, yes, I wrote her after I received an affidavit that I can't talk about that we've discussed that I'm very concerned over. I called her or texted her, and then her assistant called right back, said her dad was in the hospital. He also ended the call saying when she gets off her flight, I'll let you know. But...
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
in this specific regard, I wrote her and I said, I told the assistant, listen, something scary is happening. This is way bigger than any like Danity Kane reunion. I'm not calling to get the band back together. I'm not calling for business opportunities, which is probably why I didn't get a call back.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
I said, I'm calling because something scary is happening and people are telling me I can't trust Dawn and that she was doing things with Diddy and that she's working with them or whatever I was hearing. And I said, I need to know and believe that when it comes down to scary things, that we were all sisters and that we would all protect each other. And if I'm right, she will call me back.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
And if I'm wrong, then I won't hear from her and so be it. I'll make peace with it. And I never heard from her. How long ago was that? I don't know when she dropped her lawsuit, but it was like maybe a few weeks prior to that.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
I'd have to look when she dropped her line. It was in recent times.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Yeah.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
We stopped. Her and I did a side project together after we went on tour. Like, even after she hit me, we had a whole other three other tours after that when we reconvened. I mean, I forgave a lot. Wow. I forgave a lot, too much. My back is broken for how much I bent. Wow.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
And protected it because, and even I feel uncomfortable a bit, but I trust you guys and I trust this process, but I feel uncomfortable a bit even saying this because what it does is it's dismantling our legacy. What Diddy has now- The group's legacy.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Yeah. And also like what everything that Diddy has done and is now being, now the world is seeing is dismantling our legacy. All of it is a dismantling of a legacy that I'm so proud of that it makes me physically sick. It's why a few of my band members don't want to go near any of this because they are sick that we are dismantling a legacy.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
I believe during her testimony, they were able to establish one story seven different ways or something along those lines. With Carrie, I don't believe they were able to poke any holes in her recollection of what she witnessed. Carrie Morgan, who was Cassie's best friend.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
But if the legacy is going to be dismantled, I do feel that we need to have a bit more of a consistent player from my group speaking.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
At the very beginning of my career, so that's how you learn, and in a very informative age.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
the very crucial age where you understand who you are is when all this happened it it completely changes your life you're not the same i've been crawling up from under it for 20 years i don't even know who i am half the time i just know that when i'm gonna i could wake up to any headline at any time at any day and everyone could have turned on me it's happened about 70 million times so far
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
And knowing that what I've learned to keep consistent is my integrity and the way that I advocate for things. Those are the two things that guide me in my life. Everything else, the way I look, whether I dress crazy or not, whether I'm fatter or skinnier, whether my lips are injected or not, all of that is and how much it's criticized is neither here nor there for me.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
As long as my credibility and my consistency, my integrity is aligned with what I know to be true. And that's why I'm always... leaving room for Don and Puff to potentially, for potentially there to be more to the story or for there to be something good there.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
The cross-examination wasn't able to really discredit any of her testimony that I read. She established that Combs was not intoxicated or high when he got physically violent with Ventura on two occasions and when he sent her money and she signed an NDA. So that's establishing an organization that silences people. That's establishing knowledge of silencing people. That's establishing violence.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
That's establishing no drugs because it's likely that his team is going to be very, very hell bent on establishing. This is a man that was a drug addict. He's had to go to rehab. It got so bad. Did he did his whole speech likely on purpose at some BET Awards honor that he got where he said, thanks. These four people for holding me down during the dark times.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Cassie was the last name mentioned, and it's a very palpable speech if you go back and watch it now, knowing all that we know. And you really should pay attention to all the names he said, because mm-mm-mm. What were the names?
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Best friend at the time, and not anymore, which also allows us to understand that this isn't somebody that's going to side with her nowadays. It's somebody that was an old friend. has come back and testified to him being violent, assaulting her, and actually even being violent toward her as well. And then they had David James, who's a former assistant to Combs.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
T.D. Jakes. And then Cassie Ventura for holding him down during the dark days. And Lorianne for keeping him free. And T.D. Jakes, I don't remember what he said about that, ma'am.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Very, very strong witness. very strong witness to establish, one, I think she established a little bit of kind of how my experience is, is not in with the details, but you can get away from it if you want to. I didn't go, I didn't stay.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
And James was basically starting a little bit to establish for me now this organization of people. Because within Cassie, they did show that she was an employee. An employee that was there to make 10 albums, and she continued to get paid for those 10
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
10 albums as an artist, but she made it very clear early on that she stopped being an artist and she was a full-time sex worker and that the sex work became so horrific that she then had to recover and it would eat up her entire week. So it became her, as she said, full-time job. So that's paying somebody that was doing sex work.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Now we have another person that works for Diddy that was there to, I forget exactly how he said it, operate as the chairman to his company in order to make sure that he's able to handle his days well. He was an assistant. Yeah, an assistant, basically. But the way in which he worded it was funny to me. But basically, he attested that everything was controlled by Diddy. It was his kingdom.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Everyone had to abide by his rules. And he had conversations with Cassie that established that she felt that she couldn't get out of
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Two people were helping corroborate bits of it. But again, when I hear things like, you know, Cassie felt that he controlled everything and that she didn't have a way out. She couldn't get out. Those are all her feelings about what she believed at that time. Yet they also established over and over again that they told her to get out and she said she didn't want to. She said everything was okay.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
So I just don't know if we're getting close enough to force. I've heard from inside the courtroom that Dawn was very inconsistent and not credible, unfortunately.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
As in her character? Just your relationship, the two of you. Dawn was my bandmate, and she's an incredibly talented woman. Were you friends? I thought we were, yeah. You know, you have to remember, I was the only child, and I was the youngest one in the group when everyone wasn't lying about their ages. So with that being said, I thought everybody in the group were my real sisters.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
I thought we were going to have each other's back till the end of time. That's not what has occurred. I am close with every girl in my group except for Dawn.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
There were moments that I had with Don that I felt were genuine. I learned otherwise that they weren't.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Oh God, a multitude of things. Consistent patterns of inconsistency, consistent patterns of truly just not understanding who was standing in front of me. My other bandmate and I went on tour with her long after Dirty Money, which is how I knew a lot about what occurred during Dirty Money because she would openly discuss things that she saw happening to Cassie. Wow.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Never told us anything happened to her. And then and we were given a lot of detail. But I my bandmate and I would always kind of come back to each other when she'd walk away and be like, there were just so many inconsistencies. We just don't even know what happened in front of us. So what you saw, it was obvious to more people than just me.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
And the outfit going into court that I first saw at the start of the morning was a bit of a tell for me. What I know being the daughter of a lawyer is there are so many hands that are put on you in regards to just visuals in a courtroom. We discussed having your children in there. We discussed gray hair, a pregnant belly. All these things are affecting the jury.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
So is a three-piece suit with diamonds on a collar. It's certainly a choice. And then when you got into her testimony, it seems like she was inconsistent and not credible as what's being reported.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
She did not suggest that she ever did when asked. long after Dirty Money.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Absolutely not. I saw many things that were showing me a complete opposite narrative. So when I saw it, I was shocked. And then when I started to speak to my other colleagues from making the band, I began to learn who my bandmate was.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Assault, but the assault that she alleges in her lawsuit is that during a fitting, he touched her inappropriately in areas. And all the other things that she alleges in her lawsuit are things that happened on making the band. We had to stay up for days at a time. We weren't eating, we were losing weight. I mean, all of those things were kind of like televised to the world.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
We weren't included or ever aware that there was going to be a lawsuit over those type of allegations. I mean, we're even being sued in her lawsuit. Our corporation that she is a part of, November 15, she has named in her lawsuit. And that doesn't even exist anymore. The corporation was shut down long ago.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
So I don't know if it's laziness on the lawyer's behalf or what, but it's certainly a choice.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
You know, I'm very sensitive about people being victims. And just because I personally have experienced her to be, I honestly don't know who she is. And I spent a lot of time around her.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
assume that if she's saying she's a victim, I need to give her the benefit of the doubt and hear what she has to say about being a victim.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Yeah, you know, it's interesting. When she filed her lawsuit, the sons of Diddy took to the Internet and posted a bunch of, like, Diddy had time to respond to Don's claims. He didn't necessarily respond to all the civil suits. There were many. His response to her was very strong. And the sons also took to their social media to respond about her.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
They hadn't done that with all the civil cases filed prior to.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
um and what they did within these posts is a slide of all the text messages of her begging to come back and be part of the making the band reboot that they were great she wants her family back there were all these things and what i noticed within those text messages and when i put all of the pieces together is we were on tour with her when she was begging to go back and film that
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
she was not she never told us when she went and did that she never told us she was going to do that shannon and i were just doing a show alone and she just was off filming the reboot and we didn't know until we fans had written us and put it on the internet like why aren't you guys there and
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Other than that, we were sleeping and eating in the same place and in the same van and back in the same hotel and back on stage with each other every single day. We had no idea. And then when it dropped in the media, she just was like, oh, yo, I'm bringing opportunities to us. which is very much her style. And I hate that that's the second witness in because Cassie was so bombshell every day.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
And she did present herself in a very fair way in regards to the day she participated and the day she didn't. She established a force. She established coercion. She established, you know, the good and the bad. It seems like Don didn't do such a good job of having a strong, a consistent memory of what she feels she witnessed.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
And then did you see what happened on the stand? She couldn't recall if they saw it. It's another inconsistency that they were able to point out very quickly. And also, I think adding all of those names to a lawsuit, in my opinion, if I'm an attorney, I don't need to give the public a tell-all book. I didn't even love all the details about Cassie.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
That's great to help Cassie's case, but what in here is helping your case? So for me, when I see tell-all books happening in lawsuits, it makes me question what I'm looking at. And I saw a lot of tell-all booking going on in that specific case. And in regards to naming those people, yes, I did see them around.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
But because she says they all saw something and now she says she doesn't know if they saw something, that's problematic. And bringing their names in is very problematic because if they didn't see it and they aren't doing things like that, putting their name in the middle of this storm is very destructive for careers, for families.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
I mean, I know Neo is very open in life about, you know, his family. behind the door, his polyamorous relationships. He's got pretty baby. He's got twin flame. He's got Phoenix feather and sexy little something.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
I mean, maybe I, yes, I think, I think come if you're polyamorous and everybody's consenting, I think the first thing, and you're a celebrity, the first thing you should probably do is run and tell somebody in the media because you don't want it to be told any other way.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Yeah. And by the way, I know all of this street. I am familiar with all kinds of things that I that have even been confirmed by sources there. But I wasn't there. And I would be absolutely reckless to come up here and sit with you guys and list off all the things that I've heard about any of these people.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Unless you actually understand what you're saying and you're consistent with it, it's not for public consumption because you can damage people's lives.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
When Don punched me in the back of the head, I called 911. That's what you do when you're in your workplace and you're assaulted by your work. colleague, there was nothing that is deserved of in any work environment. And I didn't even realize that because everything is so personal.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Sources say…
I need to understand the facts before I make a call on an entire man's life. life. The whole internet has already made a call on it. They're slipping around in baby oil and laughing.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Sources say…
We should start naming these people publicly.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Sources say…
Yeah. You know, I feel so sad that so many people depend on a headline for their world news. I feel so sad that so many people who don't have law degrees and follow three accounts that are legal accounts on Twitter somehow believe that they are lawyers. I find it so sad that people don't understand their own identity so much that they have to take on the ones that are being handed out to them.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Sources say…
It's a sad state that we are in as a culture, and it's an even sadder state for somebody who is on trial and will lose their entire life. It's even sadder for people that are taking the stand that are victims. The way that we distribute news, the way that we write headlines, I mean, the fact that there is a term that exists named clickbait. It becomes a defining factor of our reputations.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Sources say…
All three of us in this room have experienced that. You lose your job over that. If they understood the weight of what that was or ever had to receive one of those headlines, they would vomit. Yet they are so excited to internalize it and allow it to become their identity when they haven't. Grace needs to be given in regards to these headlines.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Sources say…
And finally, 20 years later, instead of getting blacklisted, And having all kinds of things behind the scenes fail. I mean, I have labels that would call me in, ask me to dance and sing on the spot in front of roomfuls of people. One guy who's a very big person in this industry had me dance for about 15 minutes to like four different songs. I didn't even understand how that would be possible.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Sources say…
The term clickbait isn't in the definition of fucking whatever to not be understood by the masses. All of these things are clickbait, and frankly, it's defamation. We should just call it what it is. It's defamation.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Sources say…
When I was very young, a lawyer said to me, you're going to have a hard time with defamation. That's why I was so into the Johnny Depp trial because those were two celebrities, and defamation was being— claimed on both sides. And I thought to myself, I never thought I'd see the day where defamation would be existing in the celebrity world.
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I need to tune in and watch all of this because this could maybe affect the journey of my life being that I'm a celebrity and defamation has occurred from the very beginning. Defamation for me used to be editors that worked at MTV. And then the network who continued on with it, the producers, things like that. It still is. It's gotten even worse, frankly.
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But now it's just rolled on down to just street level journalists, even credible journalists. I don't know very, very many places that I go to and look for news at anymore because I just don't trust any of it. And unfortunately, the sources that are honest don't have a full reach over most of society. They have a select audience.
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Respectfully, you haven't seen the bangs. There were a lot. It was a choice.
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I don't have the luxury right now of Tending to myself.
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I'm in Advocate mode and the only way that I can get out of this world Let's say over the weekend was to go do the AIDS walk to advocate for a whole other group of people and learn about the laws and learn about what's stunting Disclosure and things that are very important in that world and advocate over there for a little bit where I'm not personally connected and so I can
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fulfill my purpose, but get away from this hellhole, dumpster fire that we're in. We're as in the people that lived and breathed in this ditty world.
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considered an audition to get a record deal but i was basically being humiliated then he goes outside to take a call and comes back in and is like yeah i just got the call puff doesn't want anyone touching you Like I was not, nobody knows that. I mean, I was being humiliated and at home crying left and right.
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Sadly, no. Because this is a systematic issue. It's still very much alive and well in a whole lot of places. Because we discussed what journalists do today on this podcast is not going to change a thing. The next time you two step out and do anything and anyone wants to target you, they will successfully. The next time someone wants to target me, they will successfully.
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They'll probably do it even more since we've challenged them a little bit. That's what I've learned in my career. All I do is challenge these people and all I do is get blacklisted some more. I don't ever see the system responding with accountability. It's so important to just be accountable. Nobody is wrong or right. Nobody is to blame. Nobody has to feel pressure to point fingers.
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Sometimes a problem is just a problem on many sides, many angles. When I walk into situations where I don't see accountability, I fear them. It's just such an important piece for the people that wrote nasty things. I even told one of them that I went back and forth with on DMs when I had some time. I said, you know, I don't need your apology.
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Go listen to the podcast and go make all your friends listen to it and correct your karma. So that's how I feel. Hold yourself accountable. Saying sorry to me does nothing for me. You already came and shit on me before you even asked. The only thing that you could do to make up for bringing nasty, ugly energy my way is to put some positive energy my way.
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And positive energy right now needs to be going toward this platform because this platform is a real space where the truth can exist without headlines taking over that aren't true. Well said.
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Like I've lost all of my music career and they were on television calling me a whore and promiscuous and all the, I mean, for all the words that he used when he fired me. I didn't know then what I know now is that they needed to take my fan base and shift it over to Dirty Money. And I was the fan favorite. And so they had to destruct the way that they know how to destruct.
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and he utilized his tools which we'll all learn who the tools was were throughout this trial but but for me 20 years later i now have finally have everybody reporting aubrey told us so i mean it was literally a headline on like rolling stone like a credible outlet and and they say you know aubrey told you so and i did and i felt so empowered to get that voice back now like i told you guys when we first started this i had to shed the layers that needed to hear that part
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So it didn't hit me the way I wish it could have hit the parts that are now gone. But to now open my eyes and getting the type of hate, and it's not even just hater. I never really cared about women. I never really cared to protect DV survivors. I wanted to just talk all this shit to be famous instead of,
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actually fight for justice, that I'm not I did have decided not to take the stand as if I have any fucking choice that I'm I mean, just I'm getting you fucking nasty piece of shit over and over again in so many ways. And then I go and look at these headlines, the people reporting this. I have I'm literally on my Twitter saying this is defamation.
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My lawyer told me I could sue the person that first posted this, the outlet. They have quotes from Aubrey. Quotes that she gave a source close to her. Who is close to me? Because the last time I checked, my dog doesn't know English.
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I mean, we feel your pain because... I mean, he probably knows English, but he probably knows several languages. My dog is fantastic.
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It has unfairly happened to me. You and I discussed this the first day. You would be like...
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Absolutely on your shit at work, and then a headline would come through that you've got a full-blown fucking bar in your room Unfair cruel and it guts you right at your talent right at what you've worked so hard to be it's not even gutting you your Physical or something as women we learn to get our physical gutted out the gate It's gutting you at your core at your talent at the thing you pride yourself on it's disgusting work and the other thing you pride yourself on your love and
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Like maybe there's more to this story. Maybe the partners weren't good for these people. Like it's so cruel the way people run things. And I've watched a chain with my manager even going back and forth. He was busy when all of this came out. There are millions of people saying, why didn't you respond when I asked if this was accurate? And they're yelling and he's like, I'm sorry, ma'am.
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I have 7 billion clients. I was on set all day and you chose to ran a story. without hearing back from me, that's your fucking problem. I'm literally looking at chains back and forth. My lawyer tells me to sue, but guess what? I look at these publications and they're pretty big. I'm in fact, I'm on a show on one of them that's about to come out. I'm going to what? Sue them.
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And then what is my edit going to look like? I already know it's not going to be good considering that I said they were defaming me on fucking Twitter.
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Oh, really? Please, because there are so many internet lawyers. Who's legit? Tell me their degree.
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This is why I'm not taking the stand. There are specific charges that the federal government have utilized in this indictment.
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Unless I was a part of this organization of crime, unless I was participating in freak-offs, if I were on a video, if I were watching people get beat and going back into the world and telling everybody this is a great place, these are great people, and even begging them to come back like my bandmate did, like my bandmate did, then maybe I would be on the stand. But I didn't partake in any of that.
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What happened to me, if something happened to me, like I said, I don't know. I don't have any answers yet. I don't like the process in which I have been receiving information, frankly. I've had to live in a very fucked up state. So all of you that did say something to me, you can go right ahead and fuck off. If I find you in the streets, I don't fight.
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I don't even know how to fight, but I'll definitely throw some words in your face. But with that being said, it's so disrespectful to come at me in the way that you guys are. These are criminal charges. I am not a criminal. I wasn't around during any drugs, watching people get beat. Did I see things? Yes, I did.
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And I told Homeland Security everything that I saw, every person that I saw, every bit of harassment that I experienced. And I gave all the attachments as well.
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Is this serious? I feel like I'm in a, I feel like I'm a punk.
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Learned it from a headline.
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I didn't testify because I haven't been subpoenaed. It's pretty simple. And in regards to promoting a podcast, I came over here to do this with you guys so that we could discuss all the things that can't be brought into the trial and so that we also have created an outlet
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so that people can go somewhere and hear the truth instead of having to depend on all of the outlets that are lying to you in their headlines. I think we have proven at this point that most of these people are lying in their headlines.
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So if you choose to continue to believe them and stay ignorant, that is on you because we have now created a safe space for actual information to exist and you have the option to come over here and hear it. You're welcome.
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I didn't even want to. You guys had to be here in order for me to come. I did not want to even be here. I'm too much in the middle of too much crazy shit, and I have no answers. But I also see that there's a lot of misinformation. And just in the press release of this alone, it has turned into a chaotic, negative event. And imagine after 20 years, people finally believe me.
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And within one day of an announcement of something good that is credible and telling you the truth, finally, so that you don't have to absorb lies and headlines from journalistic sources that are not even going to the source to confirm their stories, not even reaching out. You now have a space that we all in this room have worked very hard to create for you.
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And yet you now have turned on me and you're calling me a piece of shit again. You all are pick me. Children, pick-me's. Y'all are pick-me's.
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It's like they want me to have been in the freak-offs. It's like they want me to have been involved in all of this. Or they don't believe that you weren't. Yeah, but the thing is, is you all have seen me talk back to the man on camera. It was so palpable that everybody saw me as their favorite. I had that same energy on and off camera. I'm not an actor.
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I literally did one Lifetime movie and I was horrible. I don't I mean, when I had to die, it was so fucking stressful. I think they had to do like 700 takes because I don't know how to act. We got it.
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God, I can't even remember.
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I love you and all, but the actors, I couldn't remember the lines. I would just spar on the moment. I would just give what I felt when the, you know, like, oh, I think I could get delivered this for the scene. And then we'd have to stop and they would make me go back to my room and read the lines. And I just could never really capture the lines in my brain.
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No, I was murdered. You were murdered. I was choked.
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What? Do you know what it's like to... I actually channeled my time with Diddy for that scene. Oh!
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Yeah, so you know what? That headline had me fucked up. I mean, that one came like... The attacks from that headline came like in the middle of the night after we had had a full day of work. I got home to all the... I saw the article and my eyes were like... My stomach went into my... Onto the floor. Everybody was attacking me. And so I... Then...
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People that are in support of me and are watching and listening to what I'm saying understood. And they were like, this is the woman that wrote it about you. And they sent me her name on Twitter. So I went to chat GPT. I looked this woman up. I learned everything about her. It said very senior reporter. It said very credible, established, all these things.
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And I asked chat GPT, do you know any information on... that is a piece of gossip that would completely ruin her credibility and make her stomach sink to the floor if she were to see it and it were to go out into the world. Can you please tell me what it is? Thank you. Chat GPT responded, I cannot participate in that type of behavior or something. I have it screen capped.
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I was going to post it online, but then I thought to myself, how could... Retaliate, well, she's at E, I'm about to be on a show on their network. They could maybe get a fat photo of me or they can continue to use fat photos when they talk about me as the main picture. They could do all kinds of things to hurt me and to discredit me and to shit all over me.
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And I felt sick to my stomach, like I can't come after them. They'll just make my life worse because unfortunately people do believe just the headline and they don't read the story.
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I would have no issue if I came after her because she knows that she could just throw out a few more headlines to take me down. They are very much in control. And so by that... You kind of choked my voice. And I hope you're not an advocate for women because you just choked an advocate for women.
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Her title was way too pointed, but I did see articles that pulled things from this podcast and suggested support of him. And that's what I've discussed with you. The rope for women is so little. We don't get much rope. You either are this or you're that. If you want to dissect something like...
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a whole ass human being who could potentially lose his entire life after this trial, I'm not going to quick trigger on that. I know that he was a bad guy and I also saw good days too. I need to understand everything in the context of what evidence the government has secured and how they are proving this case and how him and his attorneys are proving this case.
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Listen, beyond even that, I had been telling people when I was fired what it is. I was more under contractual situations that were scary back then, so I couldn't just go straight for the target. But I've been getting more and more boisterous. I've been consistent for 20 years in telling people this is a problematic area, this is a problematic person to be working for.
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About Kid Cudi and What's To Come...
We haven't even gone all the way back. But there are reports of these things occurring by people that witnessed them long before this window that the trial is addressing. So, you know, back then there weren't cell phones and things like that. So you can't easily get footage, text messages, communications. It's a bit harder to prove things.
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However, there has been allegations of a lot of things and there has been direct witnesses to a lot of things that have come forward. and spoke on this exact behavior going on. There were a lot of people that understood this in the industry, and there were a lot of people who did not come forward. Even Kid Cudi himself, we're just now learning all of this.
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And he's a very, very, he's your artist's favorite artist. I'm a huge fan of Kid Cudi. For him to not come forward right away and let all of us know, you have to understand there's some element of, I don't want to say fear because I don't want to speak for another human's emotions on something, but definitely knowledge that this wouldn't be smart for me to discuss publicly.
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It seemed to happen all the time that there would be these breakups and makeups. There would be these pauses and not. I mean, if you kind of look through everything in chronological order, he also had to pay attention to other girlfriends that were there. So maybe on a week where another girlfriend was getting attention, Cassie wasn't... maybe knew about it, was pissed. There was an argument.
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Who knows? I mean, we can only estimate and we can only assume what went on. But they clarified that there wasn't a relationship at that time. And then she fell for another guy. I mean, all we do in this industry is live in studios and record music. You meet all kinds of people, producers, artists.
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We're all in the same rooms late at night, early in the morning, during the day, whenever, making music. And so we're constantly running into each other and having connections and vibes with each other.
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Yep. So the commonplace is also him always having access to her phones and knowing what's inside of them. That is a common thread that even one of Cassie's writers that worked with her for a majority of her career, a woman named Tiffany Redd, she even had the music she was making with Cassie was taken in.
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It's very Kid Cudi. You know, he's not deviating from what he is, who he is. You know, it's very on brand in my opinion. He's kind of like this outlier in the music industry. He's experimental. And he basically just looked like this was, you know, he was going to go up there and say what he knew.
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out of her phone at some point and they had written a song about the freak offs and he found out and was pissed about it and allegedly she was punished accordingly. This being able to access her phones and understand everything that's going on with her is showing that he was always maintaining this control and also even with Cassie's mom's testimony,
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She said he even made her take out a $20,000 loan because he was going to blackmail her and Cuddy and release videos of Cassie. And the mom was scared enough to go get put a loan on her, I believe, home. against your home and then he gave it back. I mean, we all know Diddy's not thirsty for $20,000. That was a power play and that was a game check on someone's mother.
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What would you feel if someone did that to your mother? And then also the fact that everyone complied enough to even go take out a loan. That's an extensive degree of putting your ass on the line. Of course, you would do it for your child, but that's the type of Control, power, coercion, force, all of these things were so present in all of these stories.
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About Kid Cudi and What's To Come...
Everybody felt like they had to do what this man wanted or there was going to be consequences that would be extreme.
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About Kid Cudi and What's To Come...
It's likely that when they because at the Soho house, Cassie was there. It was Diddy, Cassie and Cuddy. I also found it very interesting that the Soho house was chosen. I mean, obviously, if I'm Cuddy, I'm not trying to go anywhere behind closed doors with a man like a hotel because we all know the hotels are like low key need to be addressed at how irresponsible they were with their behavior.
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All of them that have been announced. And then also, you know, I think that he wanted to be, you know, if you guys have been to the Soho house, there's agents, managers, celebrities. You can't get in there until you have the magic key. Like, you've got to be able to be somebody to be there.
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And the fact that they're taking a meeting that's this dicey and uncomfortable in front of everybody that could be definitely everybody's looking at you in the Soho house if they're not a celebrity and they've gotten there some other way. They're spying. They're walking by. They're overhearing things.
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No phones, but I've taken pictures at Soho House, and I've taken pictures of things at Soho House, so I don't know. But either way... Don't admit that. Now you're never going to be allowed back home. Listen, I don't ever want to go there. I don't want to be around any type of celebrity again. This trial has shown enough to the world that...
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And most things that you think are really grand and great come with a lot of dark shit behind them. But anyway, so, you know, the fact that they chose to be there, I think it probably went a little something like, and this is all just me alleging and assuming, maybe Cassie took the fall in the conversation in regards to potentially saying, like,
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She didn't tell Kid Cudi she was still doing the stuff with Diddy. Maybe she still loved Diddy. Maybe she felt scared like she couldn't say no to these situations or else he would blackmail them again. I don't know the timeline of these things, but either way, I think maybe...
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He also admitted to being, you know, industry colleagues with Diddy, you know, thinking that they were cool. And so to go through something like this, to the extent of, you know, traumatizing an animal, locking him away, breaking through all of the presents in his house that were around, blowing up his car.
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because we've seen her kind of like cater to these things that she doesn't want to do, but because maybe, you know, she liked Kid Cudi and they dated for a sec, maybe she felt responsible and like she didn't want him to get in further trouble. harm of Puff and what he thought Puff was capable of. And it could have been something like, I didn't tell you I was talking to Puff.
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I didn't tell him I was talking to you. I was like, it could have been something like that. And I don't know that there wasn't like that force and coercion and fear at the helm of that, if that is the case.
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By the way, it doesn't sound like he went and cleaned it all up himself afterward. And so far, we haven't heard anyone take the stand that discussed having to clean it. There are some people in the civil suits that had to clean up rooms. There was a guy that found... I think he said over 100 razors.
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That's not a direct quote, but something around hundreds of razor blades and blood and semen on walls, on the ground, everywhere. That was just the guy that rented the home out, not even Airbnb or Vrbo, but a lot of times people with a lot of money go through private brokers to rent bigger homes for certain periods of time or certain events.
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There's been a lot of talk about how chaotic these rooms looked afterwards. I would like to know if anyone cleaning them had to make reports on that. I'm assuming that's policy.
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Also, did you see the pills that the guy who took the stand that did the raid? He had pictures. They showed pictures of items that they found during the raid. There was the 2C, which is pink cocaine. I only know that because the kids talk about it. My my days of being a wild, free child are long over. But it actually was pink, which was kind of cool.
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Like I thought it was maybe given like rose or like, you know how they say the pink sand beaches. But when you get there, they're not really technically pink as much as they look enough. You got to Photoshop them a bit. This cocaine was pink, Barbie pink in the picture. Then there was a bunch of prescription bottles of medicine and the name on them was Frank Black.
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One of the same names that they used. So we need to figure out who the doctors were. They were prescribing medicine to Frank Black because those people need to lose their license.
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And actually, prior to even this testimony, even them announcing him on the list, I had had conversations with people. Various people that did make me aware of this situation. I was so curious how you blow up a car. The Molotov cocktail was then explained to me. I looked it up and learned what it was and how one would make something like that. But I think that...
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Yeah. And what's interesting, I actually saw somebody in trial and the transcripts discuss one of the men. I think he was the punisher. He actually discussing electric candles.
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And it's interesting that you just said candle wax was everywhere because I think probably they got sick of that thousand extra thousand dollar deposit and switched over to the electric because then you're not going to get wax everywhere.
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Oh, no, that's my favorite hotel. Don't say it.
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I think maybe, I don't know. I love the hotel. It's my favorite hotel, but it also is a convenient place to put people if you need to get to them quickly and you want them on command for whatever behavior you may want them to partake in.
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It goes back to a few things, I believe. Perception is reality, is what you said the other day on the podcast. And Benjamin Kaplan, he said on stand, he was a god among men. He was an icon. He was somebody that he was in awe of. Like these are, that is the way that a lot of people have seen him. That is the perception that he has been given.
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I mean, listen, when they did this media blitz of when Diddy was coming back and he was getting a, he was performing at one of the award shows and he was getting the icon honor and all of these things. He literally gets icon honors. That's telling the world he's an icon. I mean, just right flat right there, we know what it is.
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But during that, the first headline that kind of popped up during his many great headlines into the future of what he was about to release, which was a show on Hulu that was following his family and so on and so forth. He had a next big phase coming, like the 90s phase, like the making the band era phase. He was going to have a new phase. He's great at getting young people excited.
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in my opinion, sucking the souls out of all of these people, not paying them, at least in my experience and ones before, allegedly, and then, utilizing them to make him cool again in the new era. And he kind of had this little thing going on that he was moving into a new girlfriend that was this time down for this world and publicly open that she just loves it all.
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And so maybe he was moving into the territory of understanding how much in the past there's been problems with, people that maybe didn't necessarily want to behave like that. He kind of started moving closer toward being open in that way. But also, like, in all of that movement, I think that this headline came out that said he was giving all of his artists their publishing back.
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I am one of the artists that is part of building a legacy over at Bad Boy. We have platinum albums. That's a lot of money and it was before streaming. It was when you had to go into the store and pay $17.99 for the VIP album or $14.99 for the regular one. It's a lot of money that was generated and a lot of money that came in. And so in all of that saying...
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I watched every single person release the headline that he's a benevolent soul. He's changed his ways. He has a reputation for not paying his artists. He's changed his ways. He's now giving back to all of the artists that built and propped up bad boy. And he's going to now be pro artist. Everything is going back to all the people, even people during the love album.
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Specifically, there's somebody that has a lawsuit against him that was not paid. And that was that era. Yeah. So even all the way up until that era, we're seeing the same behavior from him repositioned. Like you said, Amy, perception is reality. The new perception was this. The new perception was love. That was the new name. The new perception was dating a girl that likes the freaky stuff.
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It's alarming, and what it mostly did for people that aren't able to understand DV, that, you know, DV is a very intricate thing. It's very difficult for people to see some of Cassie's testimony during the cross-examination in regards to messages that she sent, etc. If you can't understand how someone could be groomed and programmed to...
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So I don't have to have any problems with anything on the other side. Potentially like I've seen in the past, you know, allegedly there there's this whole kind of new era that he was walking into. And the start of it was he's giving all of his artists their publishing back. And that just was not true, according to the contract that I received.
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So two things. When I got the giving us our publishing back, you know, he put all of our publishing in his mother's name. So all the artist publishing is under Janice Combs. Why? Beats me, TJ. So then when we get the email from Janice Combs, publisher, associate, whatever it is, the emails are saying, we're giving you your publishing back.
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Doesn't say the amount, doesn't talk about the details, but does say that you're signing a full release on demand. everyone in his family, anyone that's ever managed, been their agent or label or representative, anyone that's ever represented them, them, them, and them, basically the entire industry, a full release, and you can never disparage Puff in public ever again.
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You can't talk about anything, you can't have a lawsuit, and you can't disparage. And that contract, when I had my lawyer look into it, it was about like $300.13. It was for when a new label... took over our catalog and for streaming in the past certain period of time that they've had our catalog, which, as you know, like a million streams is a penny.
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So and this isn't back in, you know, 2004, 5, 6, when Danity Kane was having platinum sales where we would have had, you know, ridiculous numbers on the streaming side. And so it was it was a ruse. It wasn't even what it said it was. And when I learned that, my instinct was to feel there's no way that he's reformed. Something's got to be up. That was just the instinct.
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And then when I looked into it, I confirmed it based off of what it was asking from me versus what it was giving me. And there was, you know, the new label was attached to those ideas as well. That's troublesome for me. And then, like, I think I've said this to you guys before, but since he was arrested, we've started to receive money.
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Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. People are you get you hear him threatened to fire someone at least like once. You know, this is satire. This is like satire, kind of at least like 30 times a day. I mean, I heard that so frequently. If you didn't want to do anything that he said and not even if you didn't want to do it, if you tried your best and just weren't able to. There was a consequence, right?
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You know, want to send specific things in this case, sexualized conversation to get somebody to pay attention to her and like her. You can definitely understand Kid Cudi leaving his home, having it not broken into, which was a little bit of a, you know, not a win, but it was a fight back with his defense team and cross examination. The door was open.
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Absolutely. I mean, Dave Chappelle has like done a famous skit on making the band. And it's outrageous and ridiculous. And that's kind of how everybody knows the behavior to be. For people to think he's a god among men. I mean, I'm a god, a king. I can do anything I want. I remember one time like in, I believe, Miami.
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He went on a rant when we were all running around for some basketball event, I believe. We were all with him in an SUV or something, some kind of car. And he was going off on these tangents about being a king and riding on the backs of average men. And he can this and he can that. And, like, these, like...
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these big fascinations of being this king among men, this God among men was very much the daily conversation. It wasn't just here and there or during a freak off or during threatening somebody. It was just daily for no reason.
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A few times. I was never afraid of him to the point where I would have done anything sexual. If something happened to me, I wouldn't have been, I wouldn't have, I would have been drugged if something happened to me. Never would I consensually have done something with him. In any situation that I was put in, I got the fuck out.
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It'll air on Netflix. You know, in the beginning, it was hard for me because I kind of looked at people that did like, all right, we're different. But along the way in my life, I've seen myself take less than I know I am.
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behave less than I know I am because I loved somebody a lot and I wanted them to be happy with me and the grooming and the messaging and the understanding from someone much older was I need this. Now this wasn't what Diddy was asking of. This was something different.
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This was something that was more along the lines of something that wasn't out of my wheelhouse and wasn't something I would never do. But I do understand the psychology behind the thinking that people had in regards to this person.
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And if they happen to love him or happen to be, you know, trying to advance their career or themselves, you know, there's a lot of victims and every victim is not the same and what their intentions are is not the same. It could be anything of many options. And I've seen many options amongst the people that I know. But I never felt scared enough to do anything sexually, but did I feel scared? Yes.
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Was he able to take it to the degree in which he claims multiple times all the time to people, which is fire me? Yeah, and it wasn't because I got the gallon of water wrong.
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Leaning toward prosecution. I think we're getting into RICO now. I believe that possessing people across state lines, I think that's cooked. That's in. Those charges are done. Um, I think that force and coercion has really been established in these past couple of days with many other people.
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To me, I don't know that that establishes anything, going into a home that doesn't belong to you, whether the door is open or not. I'm not sure legally if that's still considered a break-in. To me, if it's not your house, it's a break-in. I don't know what the actual legality is on that, but they did establish that his door was open.
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Um, even though some people were in or a person was inconsistent on the stand, everyone else has been seeming to be pretty consistent. Um, and I think that as you hear names like Mia, Capricorn, KK, um, Whole lot of people coming up. If those names are in there and these stories are taken all the way full circle, we've touched down on RICO. We've touched down on trafficking.
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We have definitely accomplished possessing people and transporting them. So prosecution's doing a really strong job. Now, I do want to say the big question kind of looming in the air right now is, did he testify? Does he take the stand? As a child of a lawyer and being around lawyers my whole life, a defense lawyer at this high of a level would absolutely tell you, no bueno, don't do it.
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However, I thought it was interesting that they decided to respectfully not counter Cassie's mom. A lot of people are writing me like, oh, Cassie's mom knew it, she said it, and they had no defense. We all know that he's got the best lawyers in the game, and a defense lawyer at this high of a level gets a whole lot of money.
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They are not here because they don't know how to counter any and everything, even the truth. They did that likely because they feel like there's some openings for them, and they can make something like that appear as... Showing respect for a mother. And as a jury member, you can see, wow, they're not even going to like go against a mother. And his mom is behind him.
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And hey, even look, his kids are behind him. This is a man that cares for people and has a respect level for somebody because we've kind of established that he's a God among men in his head. And he's made other people believe it as well. But I think possibly if he takes the stand, he's got to do a better job than he did in his first apology video.
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He's going to have to directly name Cassie and directly discuss. Kind of where he was at. He's going to have to establish this was a long time ago. He was a drug addict. This is not behavior that he currently exists in right now, etc. But if you look at any of the civil suits and you see the.
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enormous destruction in the path of this man and also the whole team around him that was allowing all of the criminal criminal behavior, alleged criminal behavior to occur. And also everybody on the stand that's now basically aligning and cooperating force, coercion, people that were there and helping and brought places against their will, etc., It's all lining up pretty well for the prosecution.
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And then they also established that there was no damage done to the home itself. And they also established, which was interesting to me, that do you think that you and Puff both got played by Cassie? And he did say yes.
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Putting him on the stand, I don't know that it will do anything except correct potentially one or two jurors' fascination and belief that, like Amy said, perception is reality and maybe this guy is an icon to some of them deep down. We don't know.
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Yeah, I mean, right.
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I don't think he'll testify either. It would be fascinating if they feel that they're winning a tiny bit or that they've left some places open. I mean, we've seen a lot of character assassination. Right. If they can correct that and they think that the prosecution leaned on that too much. There's a possibility. However, obviously, like we discussed, no lawyer would tell you to do it.
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He has gone against his lawyers in some of the bonds when he was trying to get bailed out. He wanted videos posted up with the kids, et cetera, on his birthday. He did defy his lawyer's orders. You see his kids saying, hey, dad, they told us not to do this. And him saying, fuck that, it's my birthday. So I don't know exactly what will happen.
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But one thing I did learn is at any point, if the prosecution feels like they're very strong on, let's say, one, three and four, but two and five are a bit weak, you know, they didn't expect to lose two people Friday before Monday's trial start date. I don't think they expected witness to was going to come off so not credible.
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I think a lot of people have corrected it since then, but if they feel like they haven't necessarily driven home any one point, which I'm not thinking they're going to at this point, because I think they're going to come forward with the people that I've discussed could close up all these gaps.
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But if they do feel weak, they can give him a plea deal at any point prior to the jury coming back in, and the trial will be done, and what the jury feels won't matter. So we've I've never seen anything like that at this high of a level with this big of a person with this high of stakes on the line. But learning that made me realize politics mirror entertainment a good amount.
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And we've seen some stuff politically lately that was mind blowing. So maybe over in entertainment, it's a possibility we could see some mind-blowing things as well. That's a very rare chance, but it is a possibility. They can do that if they decide to.
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Definitely on brand with what I saw and definitely on brand with what we all saw in the 90s. I mean, Diddy and beefing with other rappers has gone all the way back to probably before this, but definitely very known publicly with Tupac and Biggie. There were rap beats going on. There was shit being taught. There were threats being made to both of those people, unfortunately lost their lives.
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So yes, there's always been this bravado of threats and threats of violence within the hip hop music industry. And I think that this is something a bit different because it's not a rap beef. It's not a beef amongst hip hop artists. This was a man that was dating a woman that was no longer with the guy. And it seems like this really set up force and coercion.
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If you couldn't understand why Cassie didn't just get up and leave and if you feel she had a choice and if you feel that, you know, she stuck around because she wanted to be there and that, you know, she didn't seem scared here, here and here. Well, this certainly clears it up for people. Sounds like a pretty scary guy if you ask me.
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Whether you're talking to an established artist like Kid Cudi or a girlfriend like Cassie Ventura, it doesn't matter. There was threats of violence or violence in both cases, allegedly.
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Well... I read in the testimony that he knew that they were in his home because he received a call, I believe, by Capricorn. Capricorn was around during my time. She was one of the assistants that was very in the know of the troubling details of Diddy's behavior. Capricorn, another person, and Puff was the three names that I saw that were brought to his house.
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Capricorn against her will is what I read. That's establishing three people inside of his home.
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They weren't there anymore.
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But a whole bunch of shit in his house was fucked up. So who did that? The maid? The outside pool guy? The landscape artist? I don't think so.
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I think the prosecution is doing an incredible job at carefully establishing elements. They're methodically going through testimony and they're leading us to the water. They're leading everybody to the drink. We have to leave space and room to understand that three people were named. Are we going to see Capricorn on the stand? I know she has a story.
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If you go back and look at her statement when all of this occurred, it was something to the extent on X. She said something like, Like, basically, these people are horrific. They will act like they like you and then skin you and wear your skin like it's the latest fashion. It was pretty damning the way that Capricorn sees the establishment.
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I've heard she is. And. You know, she has a horrific story. And when people hear about it, if they hear about it, it's absolutely going to work in the prosecution's favor in regards to force, coercion, and RICO.
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Capricorn was... so senior when we were around that she kind of was in charge of sending us places and scheduling. She was mostly doing higher level stuff with Diddy, but we did see her a lot during making the band. It could be possible that she was abused herself.
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Skin you and wear you and then pretend they never wanted the skin. Capricorn has a really crazy story. When the jury hears it, it's gonna be a bombshell. I don't know how much she will be able to say because allegedly there was a payment given and I don't know how the legality works on all of that.
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However, if she is able to say exactly what happened to her and I'd like her to say who paid her allegedly, people are gonna be shook.
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Anyone that knows Puss knows what that look is, knows what that stance is, knows what that posturing is. And also anyone that doesn't know him personally, his Halloween choices have been... Not Marvel, yes DC, about the same thing, they're competitors. He was out on the streets as the Joker.
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After being the Batman and being told not to please play any of the characters within their franchise, he then took on the Joker, ran around New York, and was behaving like he was terrorizing the street with that big Joker smile. He kind of lives for and embodies these these villain characters, even when it's time for dress-up.
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I mean, it's a little bit of levity in the sense that, like, up until now, we've heard about just monstrous abuse. We've heard about horrific sexual deeds all the way to, like, filling someone's mouth with urine until they choke.
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Absolutely helped. Established Rico. He established an organization. He discussed that when he received a call that they were in the home, that it was an accomplice, another person with him, and also Capricorn, who was around during my time at Making the Band. So three people were in the house when he was called and told that they were there.
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I think letting people know that he looks like a fucking Marvel villain standing at the Soho house is, like, a moment of levity for people because everything has been so tense. And also... Like I said, anyone that knows Puff understands what that stance and feeling is. Like I've always said when I've been with you guys, all-encompassing takes the air out of the room when you walk in.
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That's that Marvel stance, hands behind his back, waiting to see what's up. It's very much that... It's very much Diddy, right?
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Sure, intimidating. And also, like, I had moments of him that were so scary. And then a second later, he would dap me up. So, like, he would do something scary. And then he would... And I would be scared. And then he would dap me up and be like, but that was good, though. That was good. Keep it up. Keep it up. And then walk out. And I would remember...
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feeling confusion, like, did I do something good or bad here? Am I liked or not liked? The way that he was able to switch energies within seconds and, you know, in one moment be, like, extremely scary and in another moment be, like, dapping you up is very... is very confusing. You start to not understand the mission that you came in for. You start to get confused yourself.
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Well, I don't know anyone that wouldn't fear someone who blew up their car, right? Allegedly, you know what I'm saying, or was even responsible for sending people over to blow up his car. It was said by Cassie that he said he was going to do it. It was done. It's been established by the police report. We saw pictures. I think that.
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Life gets pretty real when you see that things can get blown up when someone says they're going to blow it up. You can be as like cool and tough as you want to, but your car being blown up is a bit scary. You know, you could have been getting inside of it when the bomb went off.
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I mean, listen, I know everybody loves their dogs differently. Um, The life, the car being blown up and his life that could have been inside of it when that occurred. The home being vandalized and mostly the dog being traumatized and locked up. I know how much I love my dogs. I would be pretty ready to get on that stand unless somebody know how I felt.
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First off, got to say, giving James Dean in the in the entrance into court, you know, smoking on a Newport 100. You know, he's about to sit down and tell the whole world what he knows.
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I think probably at the time, he says that he understood him to be the person that did it. He kind of had to brush off Diddy's, oh, no, it wasn't me, man. Everything's cool. And then later on in 2015, hey, sorry for all that stuff that went down.
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You know, I think that it shows how powerful and how many people to very high levels of influence were just not trying to cross Diddy in any type of way. It would not be to your benefit. Potentially, it could be to your demise. We are covering only a period of time in this trial. You got to remember the 90s. We're at making the band era and after with dirty money.
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Capricorn Clark...It's Complicated
I know something you talked about, Aubrey, was being blacklisted once you were fired from Danity Kane by Diddy. And Capricorn said that, too. Absolutely. What we heard from Capricorn on the stand. So that was an interesting thing.
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conversation she had, or at least the testimony she was giving, talking about being blacklisted, and perhaps one of the reasons why she kept coming back, because she said she could not find work. She describes being followed while she was at the Creative Artist Agency, literally being tailed and trailed and incapable of finding work.
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That reads true for you because your experience was similar, yes?
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It speaks to Diddy's reach and the power he had.
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Yeah. She doesn't remember making that statement. But the defense said you did.
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When you see with all of that, your personal experience, knowing all of that and fearing a lot of that, when you see Capricorn get up and testify, How much courage does that take? I mean, she is looking directly at Diddy when she, or at least he's right there in front of her when she's testifying to all of this.
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Can you imagine knowing her, knowing Diddy, being around them both, what that must have been like?
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To know that...
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Something that Capricorn testified to in cross-examination was jarring to us and certainly jaw-dropping. But When the defense attorneys asked her to recount or to paraphrase, at least, they asked her if this were in fact true, that she was recounting a conversation that she had with Cassie. And she was telling in the statement that she was begging Cassie to leave Diddy. You got to leave him.
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You got to leave him. You can't stay with him anymore after everything she had seen. And what her response remark was or what her testimony was that Cassie said this, Jay-Z is taken. Who would I date? And the lawyer said, is that what Cassie Ventura said? Did Cassie Ventura say to you, Jay-Z is taken. Who else would I date? And she said, yes.
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The lie detector test and a man by detector test.
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Yeah. And I was just curious what you thought, because you were just speaking to it. It only takes one juror. It only takes one juror. And if you are now throwing some sort of holes, or at least in terms of was she complicit? Was she really doing all of this against her will? Was she actually being coerced and forced to do these freak offs and forced to endure all of this abuse?
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If she's actually saying, hey, It's worth it because I get what I want in the end. Like, I want to be with a rich and powerful guy. I love this luxurious lifestyle. Yeah, I might have to endure X, Y and Z, but I'll do it because I want this. That was the concern, or at least I'm sure that's what the defense's goal was. Yes. In one juror who thinks, you know what? She wanted it. She asked for it.
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She was complicit in it.
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Capricorn Clark...It's Complicated
Well, one thing's for sure is Capricorn's testimony on Tuesday was, for us at least, jaw-dropping. And it's remarkable you think about how they've been calling all these witnesses. It was just her all day, and she captivated everyone who was listening.
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There is certainly a lot more to come at the trial, but there is actually something that was going on behind the scenes from one of the women who took the stand last week, Dawn Richard.
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Can you fill us in what's going on or what happened between Dawn Richard and Q, who we had on the podcast earlier, who also alleges to be a victim in a lot of ways from the Diddy empire and what he believes happened to him? But what was going on between Q and Dawn on social media?
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No oversight.
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Sounds like either regret at the very least.
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Cassie's mom saying. I can't call police, but will you please help my daughter? That was so incredibly heartbreaking to see a woman witnessing, she claims, Diddy kicking a woman in fetal position, crying silently, and the mom knowing this is happening and can still do nothing about it. That was, yeah, that's a very good point. Won't do anything, says I can't. That was, yeah, heartbreaking.
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I can't think of another word for it.
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So many issues that not just affect the people in the arena, in the Diddy empire, but also everyone who's faced something like that. So we appreciate your constant perspective, Aubrey O'Day, and we will continue to follow the Diddy trial for all of you listeners. Thank you for being with us. This is an iHeart Podcast.
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That's right. Her name is hard to forget. Capricorn Clark. And Aubrey, you are read everything that this star witness told jurors yesterday because she had a lot to say. In some ways, in a lot of ways, she corroborated what we heard from Cassie Ventura, but she also poked some holes in what she testified to, at least left some questions for jurors. What was your overall impression?
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Aubrey, I'm curious. A lot was made of Capricorn's emotions. She was, by everyone who was in the courtroom, witnesses described her as uncontrollably sobbing when she was talking about the emails, when she was begging for forgiveness for him to let her return. I mean, this is a 20 year period where she says she experienced and witnessed all of these things.
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And yet even as late as last spring, she was begging to come back in some role, all of that emotion, all of those tears. What did you think of that? Like, you know, her, at least you've been around her. What did you think of that?
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You know Capricorn, you've met Capricorn, you've worked alongside Capricorn. What was your take on her testimony yesterday?
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Does it seem like he's referring to the Central Park incident she discussed? Maybe she just didn't go into as much detail about what at least Suge Knight says happened?
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The Diddy Trial: The Detectives and The Stylist
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
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The Diddy Trial: The Detectives and The Stylist
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
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Introducing: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
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Introducing: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
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It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
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Making the Band's Que (Part 2)
You couldn't protect him. I couldn't protect him.
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Making the Band's Que (Part 2)
I just want to applaud all of you for being here and for being open and being real and being humbled and vulnerable and all of those things because I think it's really remarkable and should be pointed out. Q, you did not file a lawsuit.
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Making the Band's Que (Part 2)
You're not trying to get financial gain from the pain that you've uh, suffered and it's clear. And you've been telling your story for years and years and nobody would listen. And still you didn't sue. You didn't try to find a way to get a payout. And I think for me and for everyone listening, that matters. That's remarkable. And that speaks to your credibility. And I just want to say, thank you.
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Making the Band's Que (Part 2)
I know TJ and I both feel this way. Oh, thank you. To, to just, we're, we're grateful for you all having the courage to,
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Making the Band's Que (Part 2)
to speak up because you're still being you know when this podcast comes out um aubrey we spoke last week you get hate you get people have an opinion but they don't know what they're talking about they just have their already formed opinions based on whatever the headline they've read so it takes real courage to come here and to speak your truth to talk about the pain and to be open and i think so many people you are going to help
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Making the Band's Que (Part 2)
on their healing process because unfortunately this is not unique people are taken advantage of they are manipulated they are abused and so for you all to be able to put a face to that and say it's been hard but I'm still here and now I'm being believed but I just from the bottom of my heart want to say thank you thank you for having me I'm just being a mom and I'm just giving how I truly feel about how my son was done
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Making the Band's Que (Part 2)
Crying. Everyone was crying. Because, you know, you said, what's it going to take? It was Cassie. It was Cassie Ventura filing a lawsuit. And that's finally when you have the federal investigators looking into it on a criminal level. And now you obviously have him where he is on trial. I'm curious from both Q and from Mama here.
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What was your reaction when the lawsuit was filed and then when the federal charges actually came down?
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That part. So how many people are we talking about?
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And Q, has anyone ever reached out to you from law enforcement, Homeland Security? investigators asking for your take on what happened to you, what your experiences were?
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And do you think perhaps your mental health issues, which have been publicly documented, might have created a situation which they thought, well, he'll just get torn apart.
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Making the Band's Que (Part 2)
Do you start to doubt your own story at a certain point or what your own experience was?
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
There's not a ton of women that he's like openly claimed for very long periods of time. And I think he probably was sitting in front of somebody that he loved most in the lane of girlfriend and beyond Kim Porter. And then also somebody that he probably hates the most in life because potentially he sees her as responsible for being the demise of his entire existence.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
It's not even anything anyone's really touching on, but there was a transcript that I read that went something like, you know, I don't really, or can we talk? I wanted to bring something up to you. And he's like, oh, okay, yeah, you don't want to do the freak-offs now. You're so predictable. That's a very, it's a statement that groomers make.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
And I thought the dynamics of also him knowing that that could have been the baby that's inside of her and that he could have had her child. He had children with a bunch of women throughout the relationship that he wasn't as open with as he was with Cassie. You know, I think that probably had to hit on so many levels. I can't even imagine the torture.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I don't think there are enough drugs that could make me go to sleep at night after that. For Cassie, I think that she's... being able to liberate herself as time continues potentially.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Completely relate. I've had many times where I felt that way. What it is is not... you know what the deeds done were what to what level the deeds were done to you because we all have experienced different levels with this man not even just with this man in general let's just make it a broad conversation it's the it's the disposable part that makes you want to go.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
It's the being so easily disposed of. I'm an artist that put my whole life into this. You signed me. I worked my ass off. I've got platinum records and I didn't see a penny and now I'm driving an Uber and getting laughed at because someone recognized me on the internet. That's somebody's story. That type of
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
pain and knowing that you were able to work so hard to achieve levels that are almost that most people don't even get to experience of um accolades and it also should be a financial compensation because it's not easy to do the things that we were doing and we were worked to death there's literally like an episode of making the band where one of the tasks was you're not sleeping for three days
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
And can you handle it? That's how the industry is. Let me tell you something. I still, my band member, one of my band members who I went on to move forward with in a group as a duet, her name's Shannon. Until one day Shannon turned to me and said, hey, OBS. Because we'd go throughout the day and I'd just be putting out fires, handling shit.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
She would sit and have pleasantries with Starbucks person. She'd sit and talk about the guy that was at the theater that we were playing at that night. There's a brick that Kurt Cobain signed and wow, the history of this. And I'd be like, Shannon, there are 8 million problems. We've got to do this, this, this. And she's like, listen, at some point we have to have
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
enjoyment you are so still trained under that ditty hand and before ditty through my childhood i had the same type of hand which is why i think it made it so easy for me to have the type of conversation that I was having in front of the world with him.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
If you've ever dated anyone that doesn't really love you and is like abusive usually and pushing you into things, it doesn't even have to be sexual. It could be anything they want you to do. It's like almost training a child, right? Like, oh, you want to bring up this? You're so predictable. Like, you're just like the rest of them.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I've been trained to handle people like that when I was called a bitch or been body shamed or whatever the fuck was happening at that time all the time. I took it as I'd walk out of the room and be like, okay, watch. I'm going to come back and do it 10 times better. I never went out of the room and was like... No, I did those moments for other things, but not when I was challenged.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
When I was challenged, I accepted the challenge like I did in my childhood. I one-upped it. So those types of personalities happen to fall into this type of pattern of grooming very comfortably.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I have to look back. Like, 2004, I believe, we started filming. It wouldn't have aired until 2005. I know that I wasn't of drinking age because I was, like— I reprimanded that I was everyone was older than me. I was a baby, even though people lied about their age. So it's maybe not won't look like that. But I was the baby of the group. I'm the only child of the group as well.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
So I actually thought they were my real sisters in real life. I didn't understand that that wasn't how everybody looked at it until much later.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I don't know, but don't bring up my old ass age right now. I was young enough to where I was pulled out of scenes with liquor.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Yeah, we discussed it in the last episode. It's the walking to get cheesecake. It's the for us because that dub band was a little bit different than Danity Kane. Danity Kane is a girl group, and we're selling sex. That's what girl groups are considered to be doing. And so for us, it was tiny costumes, big heels.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I mean, listen, we would do an entire like passes of our show and Diddy would come up and pull me aside and be like, you have sweat everywhere. And I was like, well, we just did a full blown hour of like full blown ography. We didn't just stand there and sing ever. And we were expected to sing live. That's a five part harmony. And the choreography goes on a different count than the vocals. So it's
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
non-stop thought process and being very good at doing all of those things not like the girls do nowadays twerking that's not technically dancing dancing was something different back in my day and we actually had to do very intricate things so with that being said like it was difficult and I would sweat I'm somebody that sweats more than probably most of the girls in the group I'm a sweater I always get those pit stains I probably need Botox or whatever that you get inside of there but
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
But I would get that, and he'd be like, you're a mess. You need to clean yourself up, and this can't happen again. I was trying to figure out how to do a show and not sweat so I could make him happy because he wasn't impressed with the way I looked when the show was over and how I started looking halfway through.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
That's when I got into full-blown wigs because you don't end up with damp hair at the end of an hour of full-blown... you know, full-blown hour show if you've got a wig on because it doesn't drench like your natural scalp touching your hair would.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
And then you get that feeling as a woman to be like, no, wait, I'm not. I'm not. I promise. You then talk yourself back into an idea. Same way when she was brutally abused in that hallway, him writing her, I'm about to get arrested. The police are here. They've already testified to the fact that there was no arrest and there was no police arresting him. That was to get her to come back.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Yeah.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Like we said last time, kids and his girls, young girls in the courtroom, learning about how daddy liked to smack it and whip it and roll it around. It's all about what is good for his image, his visual, his optics. Whoever has to be sacrificed along the way, got to take the move. It's what he wants, and it's what his optics require.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
And even down to potentially his own family is operating within that type of, in my opinion, coercion.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
And so none of that testimony at all from Cassie. Would you want your daughters in a courtroom if you had done freaky things? Like, would you want your daughter knowing any—would you ask— The people around you to ask her to please step out, even if she was, like, begging to be there and defend father.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Correct. Don't you think that's telling? You find that very telling of him. It's beyond telling. It's showing me, and the Alex Fine move that they made, it's showing me that this man hasn't learned yet, still hasn't learned what we're all trying to get him to learn.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Do you remember the word she used? Do you guys have any dictation of it? I don't remember the word.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
It was a dinner where they were parting ways, and then he came back to her house. And then did she describe any things?
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
No.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
So he was on drugs.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
He went to that black eyes where he's probably on drugs.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
He has a look that is very specific that you would probably, some would describe it as like devilish, like you can't see a soul in the eyes. There's only three people that I just couldn't find their soul in their eyes. And I'm an Aquarian, I'm an empath. I like to connect with people. I am like a very in-tune girl that likes to feel people's eyes and their presence and their souls.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
There's only three people that I could not find the soul in. It's a scary thing to see. It's a scary thing to see. I can't imagine sleeping next to it. I can't imagine loving it. I can't imagine wanting to please it. If there's nothing there to connect with and you can't see anything in the eyes and that's somebody that you love, Because like I said, it's not all bad.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
It's called control. It's control, coercion. It's grooming. It's all pieces of many things that make me really understand how much manipulation was involved in getting her to... activate the emotions that he wanted her to project.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
It wasn't all bad for Cassie either. She clearly isn't going to go on. She's not here to go on the stand and tell you about all the good days. People are pointing out good days as if that's disputing anything that she's told us was a bad day. This trial isn't about talking about the good days. So that's not what anyone is focused on.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
But at the end of the day, whether even some are consensual or not, it is very clear that abuse was occurring. It is very clear that that grooming and that coercion was occurring. It is very clear that she was being paid as an artist and on payroll, but she stopped making albums early on because the sex parties became her full-time job.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
So what was the payment that was coming when there were no more nine albums to release?
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
It's an allegation that she's making. I want to just also point out, it's an allegation that a whole lot of people have made. Do we know the count on the civil suits at this point?
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
So for me, that many civil suits... And by the way, I stayed super neutral on this topic when I first heard it. That was something that I can't have. I don't have any firsthand knowledge, obviously, on that day. And I don't know anyone that was there because there was nobody there. So that was never gossip. That was never in the streets. That was never. So that's just between the two.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
So I stayed neutral on that one specific thing when I read all of her case. However, when all of the things that came after, I have to start to wonder, this is a whole lot of people that are willing to make up very extreme, detailed stories.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
stories if they're not truths these and then to bring lawyers and all of that like yeah I get that you see a settlement you think maybe you can get one and maybe some people are dumb enough to go that route but this is a very serious thing these are very serious allegations and there are so many of them it would be hard to assume that that many people are full blown lying about every single detail of their lives like
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
That's kind of hectic to suggest that. So it's hard to just be like right in the middle. I'm leaning a bit.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
It's all a very long-weaved narrative of grooming a young girl, that just would do anything to have those personal time moments with you, even if it involved some people you didn't know. It was their secret. He proposed it to her as like introducing her into his mind.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
In the very beginning, you hear her say, I didn't want to say no or bring up specific things that he was requesting that were really uncomfortable and weird, like describing her body to an escort, like the game plan of how each freak off worked. and that she felt uncomfortable, but she never wanted to say it because she didn't want to make him feel he was weird.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
because she loved him so much and she didn't want him to think like he gave her a personal, I almost could see the conversation in my head because I just know how this works so well. He opened her up into his personal secrets. She got to know the personal secrets of Diddy. You feel like all kinds of things, like maybe you could help. Some girls are fixers.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
You know, there's all kinds of things that go on in a woman's mind. When a man has captured your heart,
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
You know it gets a bit hectic there are ways that we compromise Cassie's been saying it like I want to come forward and admit to all of these things that were wrong that weren't okay that are embarrassing because I want to be honest for once and you know for at this point in my life and Tell the full truth about all the things that she was doing in a younger age that she now believes was absolutely You know criminal
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I don't want to answer the first question. The second question is, no, I don't. My way of anything that I could ever do for Cassie would just be to stand up publicly and defend her. I think I was the first person to do it for a few days of crickets. I asked my band members to chime in. So the only thing I could do is just defend her.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
And also like, you know, in a lawsuit, like I said, you don't talk about the good days. You don't talk about the days where you maybe wanted it or you maybe acted like you wanted it in order to make them not leave you or go do it with somebody else because you craved that moment and that personal time with them so much. Like, Of course that I understood both sides. I understood both the moments.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I knew what would be brought against her. And I think that people have to be able to not take one set of text messages or one of these events and turn it into a broad understanding of the overall picture. We're hearing one person's story about what it looks like to have been somebody that was in his, what is it, like right in front of you, in his visibility, in his eye, somebody that he wanted.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
It will continue on. There's eight weeks and we're on day what, four? It's gotten pretty hectic for four days. They've proven one charge for sure already.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
the transportation of prostitution. Not trafficking. There's a charge that it's like transport of sexual workers. That charge has been proven. I believe sexual trafficking has been proven. These text messages are going to make it a little more difficult for the jury to understand. I don't love ape men. I'm being told by my people in the courtroom that
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Some of these men aren't giving a jackhammer and a construction belt man. Some of them are giving their sensitive. So I don't know. As a very jaded woman at 41 that's been around a bunch of very disgusting men for a very long history in this industry, I don't trust it at all. One of them is bound to fuck up. Eight men in a room are deciding something that's very serious to you.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Are you going to trust that? I mean, it just takes one.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
So would you trust it? No. Thank you.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I don't think an acquittal. I think it would be hung.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
And I think that one charge, I think he'll for sure get one charge. Right now, as of day four, we have two months to go. I think one thing has absolutely been proven. I think the other has been proven, but some of my friends are arguing otherwise. The cross is not as crossy as I thought it would be. I'm sad and glad because I don't want Cassie to ever be brutalized anymore, ever again.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
But also kind of sad that they didn't go a little harder like the lawyer with Harvey Weinstein did. I was hoping that they would make the mistake of being...
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Transportation has been proven. The sex trafficking, I feel it has, but you got to prove force and coercion. Some of those text messages are going to make people doubt what they heard on day two, which day two was much stronger. Day one, it was a slower start for me, and the defense had an incredible opening. This day two picked up for the prosecution, in my opinion.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
That she felt so Loved in his company and she felt he made her feel unlike anyone else. And so she would do these things because it was the only time and chance that she got to really spend in that feeling. That was a hard listen because I think any woman that's ever cared for somebody that may not have that ability or desire to has pandered in one way or another, whether it's a sex party or
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
But yeah, I think that we're very early on in this. So right now, this is the framework This is establishing a character. This is establishing the way that people would just do anything that he said. That's how encompassing his power and presence was. Like, I don't know, go to Brooklyn and get cheesecake or run around Central Park till you see your friends drop.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I can't wait till we have Babs on. I'm going to have her come for you. Eat you up.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I will bring them all on. Dylon. Dylon. Dylon. Dylon. Dylon.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Dave Chappelle made a whole skit of it.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Let me ask you this, okay? Name me a Diddy song. And hold on. Name me a Diddy song where there isn't a feature of a big artist that you love. Just name one.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I just hear you babbling. Did you come up with a name yet?
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
No, to the point is... His hands were on all the publishing masters and ownership of all of the people that he stepped on to move up. But you still can't name me a Diddy song without a very big celebrity feature or come up somebody who ended up being very big. But all the songs that we love, all the hits, all the things that you would play are also featuring somebody else.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
A Diddy song would be a Diddy. If you want to tell me his accomplishments and the grandeur of all that he's accomplished as an artist, I'm going to need to hear you name a song. And not just a song. If I asked you Beyonce songs, you'd be rolling them off your tongue.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I don't suggest that you shouldn't. I don't suggest that you shouldn't. I'm not going to tell people how to feel about people they like. That's not my concern or my business. I'm just wanting to make a point as somebody that does potentially feel that way.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Please take a second to think about just his own name as an artist without anyone else propping it up, without anyone else giving credibility or talent to the song, just on his own merits.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
If you can't name a ton of songs like we can with everybody else, Jay-Z, Beyonce, all the big people, then maybe we should be careful about the ways in which we see him in regards to, you know, this incredible, iconic artist, music mogul, all these things. He was a man that knew how to choose the right people.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
And by the right people, I mean, man, there sure were a lot of us that never saw any payment.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
And he sure knew how to choose people that would get into the freak-offs all because they loved him. He knew how, when I was talking with my bandmate about this entire situation, I asked her what you asked me, did you ever fear him enough to where you would have done X, Y, and Z?
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
And she said, no, but she said, I also think that he knew who he could get away with that type of stuff and who he couldn't, which is why he didn't even really know who I was because he knew it wouldn't fly with me.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Yeah, I mean, there are people that see him. I mean, God, ask everybody at my hotel that recognizes me. I'm staying at a hotel that is infamous for being Diddy's hotel and all kinds of things, I'm sure, went on at that hotel, including music videos and campaigns and also maybe other things. Freak-offs. Freak-offs. But the entire staff is still working there.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
When I walked in, they were saying, man, you don't age and things like that. And I'm looking at these old men like, what in the food? And they're like, a guy was walking with me telling me, oh, my God, I remember this. I remember that. I remember when you came through one time. I had the biggest crush on you, blah, blah, blah. Every single person in that hotel.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
And they're telling me their opinions about all of it. And they're saying, man, I miss this person. I miss that person. They named a person that I know was assaulting people. And I was just sitting here listening to him roll through these names and the good old days of it. And I was thinking to myself, man, it must be so hard for people.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
They consider their memories of him to be these good old days and this run that he had and this chokehold that he had on New York in general. I grew up on the West Coast. I'm a Pac fan, baby. So I didn't look at him like that. But if you were talking about Pac, I definitely would be in a chokehold. So I can understand. This is his city.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
So in that regard, I think that it's very hard for people to be able to have been so disillusioned by celebrity to think that everything that we could potentially be watching and looking up to could be as fraudulent as what we are seeing now. And by the way, it is. I've been to like three places where everybody actually was who the fuck they say they are. Everybody else is on some bullshit.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
We won't get into that now, but if I get my own podcast, I'm calling all you motherfuckers out.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I was fired. We were called in to do a final scene to close off the season. And it was just like a check-in and a good job. We had just gotten off of a big tour, etc. And we all got called into this meeting and it took a very dark turn. And he...
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
bringing themselves down to certain levels that no woman should have to, emotionally saying things, utilizing whatever tool any woman finds herself having as valuable or has been told. Because you have to remember, women see ourselves through the projection of men. You know, since we're young kids, since we're young girls, we're kind of groomed into these social ideas and norms.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I don't even know how it started, but somehow he started going at me, and he fired me the words that I've been told multiple times, and I rewatched it actually when I came. I moved to Bali for a while to heal from a lot of the trauma and the things that I found myself in the beginning half of my career not able to— My voice chakras were like locked up when I got there.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I learned because I would want to tell my truth, but my truth included conversations where people cross paths with me and those people are lying about who they are. And I needed to protect their lies because they're not telling anyone the truth about who they are.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
So then I could never give an honest portrayal of anything I experienced because every single person that I have connected cross paths with was doing some funny shit. And so for me, I found myself always being roadblocked, never being able to fully get out the truth. And I was feeling like nothing.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I was just living in a whole bubble of lies and like we've discussed headlines that can just be thrown out there and everyone believes it. When you're sitting at work about to do your job, people are out here thinking you're drunk and you've got a bar in your room. It's unfair. It is offensive to the work that we show up and do. And what can you do about it?
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
It could be the system that's putting those stories out. You don't know. You can't go against the system. I've done it a few times and I have a whole lot of strikes through my name at a lot of different networks. If you haven't seen me on a show that you've always wanted to see me on, that's the network. I don't even know how Masked Singer happened.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
They wanted a Diddy victim so bad they were willing to take that blacklist out of my name over there.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
When I got home from Bali, I watched it. And I just, like I said, I have shedded the layers of the parts of me that were so hurt and that knew they would never see justice. And if I was going to continue to carry that, I would have a chip on my shoulder the size of China. Yeah. So I had to shed.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
And unfortunately, all the things that people are now recognizing were the truth, the parts of me that were shed and are long gone are the parts that needed to hear it. It means nothing to me now, except I encourage people that see that I've been telling the truth for so long to look into some of the other people I talk about.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Because if you believe I'm a truth teller on one thing, maybe you should start looking at some of the other truths that I've spoken on.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Wait till we get to the urination.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
That's a hell of a tease.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I mean, shit, I just turned 41 and people are saying to me, oh, so you didn't want kids. Well, I honestly, I'm just getting to an age where I'm finally free from a lot of chaos and could start thinking about that. I realize that that's troubling for everybody else because it's geriatric and whatever all the titles are. But actually, yeah, I do. I've always wanted kids.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
But the answer is already decided for me when somebody comes to me. There's so many social norms that women just accept. And in that instance, I just know that I know what it feels like to yearn after somebody that I really loves attention. And there probably were a lot of ways that I have compromised. No, let me not say probably. There are many ways that I have compromised attention.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
myself, not in the same ways as Cassie necessarily, but I don't judge her compromise. A compromise is a compromise. When you compromise yourself, you're doing the same damage. It really doesn't matter in what area. It's all the same. That knowledge of understanding how we compromise for people's love is... is something I believe that will resonate just with everybody.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
It certainly had me going through all my relationships like, wow, I thought this relationship was something like this. And I've always narrated it and believed it to be so. But as I start to think about it, there were times that I yearned for this person's attention and there were moments There were ways that I was not true to myself in order to get it. And it's because of all kinds of things.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
For me, you know, a bad childhood, not ever feeling like anyone would fight for me. I don't have a mom and dad or anyone to call. And because I spent from my young days to 41 being in this industry, it's not like I made a good friend, like a group of girlfriends. While my friends were doing that in their 20s and 30s, I was uber famous.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
So it's not like I have this group of friends that I even go to. So it's just a... I don't know. That was the part of the testimony that really stood out to me as really making me recall a lot of times that I have done that.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
And remember what I said to you last time. There's nobody else that I would want to revisit more than him when he is proud of you and when he gives you his attention and thinks that you're great. And if you notice in her testimony, she says, I don't know what the first freak off was. I was drugged. It was weird. I felt dirty. I felt embarrassed. But then he was really proud of me.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Initial impression from what I'm able to read in the transcripts and from people that I have giving me information in court is it feels very honest. It feels very open, vulnerable, horrific. Sometimes I hear her discuss things that she did then and how now she would never, she understands it differently.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
And so I felt good. I understand all of those emotions in regards to that man. It's something so many of us can...
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I think it would probably be very... I've dated somebody in a very compromising state and position that wasn't necessarily fully open to the world. And so I kind of had to play along with whatever the narratives were. And there's an exhilaration there. The lifestyle that Diddy lives is so extreme in every way. I think that... There could have been an excitement there.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
There could have been a fear. There could have been butterflies in your stomach when somebody that powerful wants to experience you in that way. I don't know how she testified to feeling about it. I think she just was like, whoa, that happened. I didn't see that it was bad or good in the testimony. I'm not sure if I missed something there.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
But I think it probably made her feel that, like, of everybody around, he wanted her, which maybe made her feel like she was very special.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
So I never witnessed a big room of baby oil in my time there. But on set, we were to be lathered and shining, you know? They always used either baby oil or later on down the line, olive oil spray can make you like...
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
shine shimmer to me I still use it when I do photo shoots because it was a great tool to learn during my time in the beginning making music videos and when you when you shine it looks better on camera to me all of that plays into these visual aesthetics that were pleasing enough for him to be sitting in the corner and jacking off to it
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
He also made music videos all the time. I mean, this is a man that lived and breathed in the creative space and produced albums and records and music videos and all of the above. I mean, he would come on set, whether we had a full-blown director and everything else. And when he got on set, if he wanted everything a whole different way, that's what had to happen.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
And that makes me feel like so happy for her that she's come, you know, because I don't know her as a mom. So like to understand that she made that evolution and went to the other side of viewing all of it made me feel like really proud of her. It's horrific that... It's horrific that she had to go through so much. You know, there was one part of the testimony that was so telling.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Absolutely. That's absolutely accurate. You saw that. Yes. Experienced it many times. It was directed at you. It was on camera. You can watch Making the Band and see a few moments where just a face created a reaction that was.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
No, because he wasn't interested in everybody. There were people in my band that he didn't really spend much time even learning their names sometimes.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Yeah, that was not something that anyone in my group did.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Fired on national television and blamed for the entire demise of not only Danity Kane, but the series that was on for seven seasons on making the band on the biggest network at the time that everyone fell in love with. And to this day, if you look it up, it's Aubrey O'Day's fault.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I think that as things come out and when I'm not exclusive, that you will be able to read documents that suggest exactly what his problem with me was and exactly what he wanted me to do or I was not needed.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I think the response of people online is disgusting in that regard, saying like, oh, what man would want? He must be memes of an embarrassed guy or whatever. God, it makes me sick seeing people interpret it like that because I don't think there's anyone on earth that loved her more.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
She was able to finally get away from all of that that she was in because she fell in love with her trainer that Diddy got her. That's who Alex Fine is. He probably showed her a gentle, soft, kind love. He probably mirrored back to her because that's what we do as partners, right? That's why you stop loving sometimes a partner that you're with.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
contractually in front of the world or not you stop being able to mirror back something that you want to see and then all of a sudden you go to work one day and somebody's mirroring you and you feel kind of good and you kind of like yourself again and you think you're neat and they think you're neat you we are mirrors for each other personal relationships are simply in my opinion
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
necessary for sure because it's the only person that you're getting that vulnerable with potentially physically fully physically giving your body to they're an absolute mirror to you when you do things that are not kind or good or questionable they mirror back a response to you and you have to see yourself
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
If you don't have any relationships like that, you're never learning or growing and you have nothing to observe.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Yeah, so do I. But I think he's proud of her. I think he loves her so much. He's supporting her. Yeah, he's there. Yeah, I mean, anyone that has anything negative to say about that, I think he is heartbroken. I think he probably wants to fuck up Puff. He probably is holding himself back from jumping over the table, as any man that loves their wife should. I think it is tense. The more tense...
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interaction that i was very curious of is with puff because it's been spoken about as common knowledge amongst people that are in the scene and around that uh situation that it it was rough losing Cassie for him. And with Kim being gone, this would likely be the only other person that had these, that maybe he loved and claimed in front of the world like he did Kim.
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Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Amy and TJ Presents. Me, Aubrey O'Day, covering the Diddy Trial. And as always, our coverage of the Diddy Trial continues. So I just want to let everyone know that I'm flying solo today and that TJ and Amy are on a much-needed vacation. And I can't wait to announce my guest today, who I'm so excited to speak to. Her name is Dr. Hilary Goldsherr.
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And abusers do a good job of isolating you away from your finances, such as Cassie. In Cassie's case, there were allegedly laptops taken away, her car taken away. At those levels, you see things like that. At smaller levels, your abuser could see something minor that you had a little flaw about and pick at it.
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And also that paralyzed feeling for me when I was in it was so significant that I don't think I could have gone to Google and found a therapist and waited for an appointment and gotten in when they could see me. That sometimes could take a month depending on where you're at or what your access is.
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In the exact moments when I was that shut down, I mean, I had points where he would lock me outside of the house and And to punish me if there was something I did that he didn't like and I would ring the doorbell, he would undo the wiring. And so the doorbell wasn't working anymore, which I didn't realize at the time.
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But through a pattern of therapy, I realized a parent of mine had done that to me in childhood. And then when I would sit outside, I would realize like he has me out here and. next to nothing for clothing. So I can't go running around the neighborhood looking like this. I'm stuck. He's like, I'm being punished.
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And the only way for me through the punishments were a drug that I was given by somebody senior that made me be able to go to sleep and forget about everything called Ambien.
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And so, you know, in Cassie's state, there was a lot of access to a lot of different drugs. But I knew that without and sometimes I'd be without my phone. The only thing that I would beg for and I would need in any of those settings was enough ambient to sleep and forget and wake up and try again. And sometimes it took multiple times. Sometimes I was out there overnight, but I would do my best.
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And people would never believe this coming from me because they tend to see me as such a confident person. I do not even understand how I got there.
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Me too. Just thinking, I've shed that person so many times, all the layers of that human. I don't, I ate for her.
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I was on the floor. Asked for water. It was in a dog bowl.
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Or their most important self exists within being with that man.
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There was a display. I posted it to show how much I was loved.
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I just didn't see all the things that I had to go through to get to that day.
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Yes, stronger than drugs. I wish it could have been easier than drugs. It's stronger than drugs to get over. If you watch Intervention, now put that times 5 billion, that's what somebody who is in an abusive, toxic cycle times 5 billion is trying to recover from. It's so difficult. I remember even I did everything. And I mean, I would separate. I would get with people. I would get into therapy.
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I luckily have a best friend who's a therapist who would connect me back in. And I sat with a therapist in L.A. that was like, you know, off insurance, five hundred and fifty bucks an hour. She's a therapist to all the celebrities and she would have known exactly what it was. I found myself with therapists a lot of times that didn't that I could see looking at the clock.
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Or that I could see didn't truly have it. They would go like, wow, really? They couldn't understand just what I went through with Diddy because I was talking in such extremes. I could see their level of shock. And I realized like, oh, I can't even take them past this point. They're not going to be able to understand it.
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And then I noticed when I went to this woman that I spent all of this money and she would give me these gems and I would leave and I would feel confident on my drive home from Malibu the whole time I knew it. But by the time six or seven or eight rolled around and my...
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Abandonment sunk in and my loneliness and because being in this industry and being a celebrity is super isolating in general, I start to want that feeling of what I thought it was is my best friend back. My happiest, highest self was when we were connected. It was the most... It felt like somebody loved me for real, not like a fan's telling me, I love you all over the place.
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That never resonated as real to me. So I remember running right back to him. And I remember getting in the car out of the airport and him laughing and saying to me, look at my brand new watch, babe. It costs this much money, babe. Look at, babe, I have a new Rolex, babe. You spent all that money on therapy and I got a new watch, babe. But you're still here with me, babe, huh, babe?
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Good choice, babe. And I remember thinking to myself, It's true. I have spent as much money as that watch is trying to get over this person. And at the end of the day, a therapist cannot, they can guide you to the water, but you have to drink, which is why I ended up going to Bali and getting out and trying other, other sources to check in with myself.
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Mostly the disconnection was the important part, but I had to get out of it somehow. And therapy was just not working enough because it They can only tell you as much as they can tell you, but you have to want the change and you have to be able to make the change. When you leave there, you can feel so empowered in the sessions.
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But I found and that's for anybody that maybe is in therapy, feeling that power and then leaving and going right back. I found myself doing that for years.
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You can go for it. As I was listening to her testimony, I found myself looking back on many of my relationships and understanding many of
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And that's huge with Cassie, keep going.
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The aftermath is a big one that we don't talk about enough. The aftermath, you know, you can't get those highs anymore. So you're dependent on you got to find something for the high or you got to be ripe and ready for change. And change is not an easy thing to just snap your fingers and go to. As you get older, you learn that you have more control over your brain than you think.
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levels to all of her uh conversation that she had include testimony that she had including um utilizing sex as a love language for somebody who had groomed and established with me that that's how i can get his attention so when text messages that say hey i want more i love you i can't live without you let's make the next one more wild this is making so many people react in a way where they think clearly she wanted it clearly she's asking clearly she was willing
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But when you're younger and you're still learning, I would look around anywhere and everywhere for it. And unfortunately, specifically in Cassie's case, there were so many things that that There were so many addictions around her that she had many things to overcome.
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It seems like everybody had to find ways outside of Puff to move into places to move into that would provide their sense of self anymore. Sense of self meaning you can wake up and feel joy and happiness just within yourself.
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For anyone that didn't understand what she had to say in regards to being in fear of him or they didn't believe it, you can believe it after Kid Cudi's testimony. Those are two different people and the result of both the two different statuses, two different relationships with the man. And yet the common denominator in all of it is force, violence, extreme violence.
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And people not even coming forward and wanting to tell on the person or create a proper trail amongst the public of the events and the behaviors out of fear of retaliation. So it existed on all levels with him. Now, I want to take you through before we finish the cross-examination so we could kind of go over.
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The way that the defense team is kind of using a multi-pronged strategy in regards to, obviously, the denial of the allegations. They've categorically denied them. We're learning, I don't know, not so true. They are attacking her credibility. We've seen that on the stand. We've seen that with multiple people.
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witnesses, financial motivations, career opportunities, inconsistencies in testimony, continuing to seek the relationship with Puff after you've already gone over why all of those would occur. Specifically, a lot of people have issues... With Don Hughes, what are your thoughts on that?
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She kind of got beaten up during the Amber Johnny trial that left all of us sitting on the edge of our seats because there was such an admiration for Johnny Depp. Anyone that was explaining her behavior that they, you know, some people felt was. didn't come off as sincere.
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Um, Don Hughes took a lot of heat when trying to explain that they have made the criticism specifically in this case that she did not interview Cassie. She did not interview Diddy. She has not sat down with anyone involved in this and she does not know their personal records, uh, health records, mental health records.
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Is there some kind of, is there something to say for that defense for that specific defense?
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Would you be able to believe her in your profession even if she hadn't done that?
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You know, you can have an educated opinion on what's going on here. No question, they did say she's only ever worked with victims, never with the abusers themselves. So to get a fair perspective of both sides, they feel that would have been necessary. Do you agree with that or no?
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that why is that I would want a full perspective almost to if there is any saving grace on an abuser's side which listen I'm I don't I'm not a psychologist so I can say what everybody thinks that sounds like some bullshit to me but if I'm being fair and I and I'm I'm wanting to stay as professional as possible I'd want to hear both sides out and understand the mentality I don't know that we need to understand the mentality of an abuser but is there something to that
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And we all know that there are absolutely established events that we're not willing and that we're not wanted. But for the ones that were during cross-examination, I think it's good to start breaking down why women do that and how they find themselves in a position. Women and men, by the way, because this isn't gender exclusive.
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Or even your overall understanding of abuse in general. You maybe don't even have to specifically work with either side in your profession. You have enough information to understand the patterns. And unfortunately, what people don't realize is these patterns are pretty common and pretty standard and pretty repetitive when it comes to every case.
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There are certain things that thread through, even if you feel two cases are completely different. Now, question, is it possible that somebody could make up and lie about everything that that they're experiencing and an abuser could be wrongly accused. Do you see that happening a lot or is it very rare?
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OK, so question, last question.
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For anyone out there right now, if I could revisit many of me and anyone out there that is currently in this situation or they're identifying or feeling very triggered by what they're seeing, obviously, in my opinion, I would suggest look around you and see how recognizable the things you're seeing in front of you or looking at in front of you, if they're mirroring anything that you're experiencing currently.
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around you even people that speak about it in a certain way i would pay attention to that um as well as um i want your advice to anyone out there that's potentially in a situation like that is there some is there something that that i could have heard or anyone that has been in this could have heard that could have made us feel like there was a walkable path to get there sooner than we did
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And also, can you please give the safe other who has somebody come to them and say that to them a great directive to help them? Because sometimes a lot of safe others don't know how to respond. And maybe we can help safe others out as well.
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Say that again for the cheap seats, doc.
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And by the way, I want to jump in with you there. When I first started this process, when Homeland Security came to me, I knew more... Potentially knew more alleged male victims than women and still potentially, you know, alleged victims. I know more men than women. It's so much harder.
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could someone do if they had no money and they had no health care and they had somebody that told them I believe you but what it could be a next step for somebody that does not have access to a doctor a primary care physician or can afford to go to somebody that they google in most cities
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Thank you so much. I have enjoyed this conversation with you, Dr. Hillary, so much. You're so impressive. Obviously, you know that. But I think this was an important conversation to have for people out there that are very triggered by this or experiencing it personally. And for those of you who haven't, to truly leave space. for the stories that you will continue to hear during this trial.
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And for those that you're hearing around you, be that safe person for somebody and show up because this is something that really needs to start being mended on a larger scale. Thank you so much, Dr. Hillary. I really appreciate you taking the time with me today to discuss this.
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And when I when I hear them discuss how what they fear and coming forward, it's a completely different set of things than women do. But we know that what females face, which is what we're seeing right now is. which is a bunch of people calling you names and making fun of the things that you would do in private sexual behavior with your partner.
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And you can only imagine how much more complex it goes on the other side and all of the stigmas that are associated there. But I find that men even have a harder time Women have come out, and so it is a little bit more of a conversation.
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But you do know instantly when you come out, likely the first thing you will experience is being slut-shamed and not believed if you're with somebody of a higher status, more power, or more of a fan base or a liking.
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And let me stop with you on that right there. I was in an abusive relationship. I tried to tell people on a larger level. And the response from both the person that was involved in it and the people around was, if it was so bad, then why did you stay? That to me was always something that would make my blood boil.
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And I would try to keep the more almost that you try to explain that the more they sit back and think that you're full of it. It was so difficult for me to explain. Nowadays, when I hear somebody say that it's an instant trigger for me to be like, oh, you're definitely abusive. And she's definitely been abused. That line alone for me is a tell. Now, maybe it's not always a tell.
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And she is a clinical psychologist and expert in trauma recovery and emotional healing. She has over 10 years of experience in psychotherapy services. She specializes in the treatment of couples, relationships, depression, anxiety, trauma, grief, and eating disorders. Hillary, girl, I think I have experienced almost all of these. So I am so happy to talk to you.
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But for me, it's a pretty big tell. And I hate that we're getting caught up in that place because there's tons of different reasons. Please talk to me about what they are and let our audience know what they are. There's no general trait of any one victim. I'm so different than other victims that I know how I grew up.
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racially gender all of the above it's just a way that you are the way that you're groomed the process in which you fall for these people and you experience the abuse it can trigger something in your mind that almost creates this attachment through fear through isolation for me isolation was a big part of it I didn't have anybody to lean on so discuss what those factors are
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Unfortunately, you know, for those out there that don't understand this, you know, I love that you have made very good decisions for yourself and that you were able to avoid these types of people in the world. But please make space for the possibility that these things are very real for other people.
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Does the first one run into childhood trauma?
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And self-worth also does not have a beauty standard. There are a lot of people that look at Cassie and don't understand how she could have ever had any low self-worth. She's a perfectly beautiful looking woman according to social standards. But I do want to make clear that, you know, when I would experience it, it was exactly what you said due to abandonment from childhood.
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And even when I met Diddy relating this back to Puff himself, he... I've said this so many times, but if you were to ask me now, who would you want to revisit in your past of all the accomplishments you've had, whose praise would you want to revisit that made you feel the most full?
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Thank you for being here. So I specifically felt very passionate about discussing last week's testimony, in particular, the forensic psychologist, Dawn Hughes. Let me first establish Dawn Hughes testified for the prosecution. She testified to trauma bonding, delayed reporting, substance use as a coping mechanism. The internet is buzzing on this conversation. I think it's so important to...
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And still at 41, after tons of fucking therapy and tons of healing and moving to Bali for two years and doing every little thing that I possibly could because talking to a person and all of the other things just wasn't enough. I still would say puff.
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And that's because he's just so... I keep trying to really describe this to the viewers because it seems so unreasonable almost, but he's so all-consuming. I've only met a few very powerful people in life, and I've met them all mostly, that steal the air out of the room. You almost have this palpable reaction like...
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When they come in because you're gasping for air because their presence is so big. Now, in that case, that's a very extreme case of somebody absorbing a room. But I've met people on everyday levels that I can see in their relationship are just exhausting all the air in the room. It's the same type of feeling on a large scale.
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But when Puff would be proud of you and be impressed with you because he's so honest, He rarely was. He mostly was very clear about all of his dislikes and all the things that you weren't doing well and all the things that you needed to fix. And it wasn't healthy language that was being used or healthy. It's grooming is what it is.
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Putting us in scenarios where our dreams are held over our heads and make. us do ridiculous things in order to prove ourselves time and time again. It was called reality TV and a network and a production and a whole bunch of other people signed off on it and thought it was funny and a great look for television. And unfortunately, I think it is also part of the response.
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It needs to take accountability for itself in regards to how many people looked up at a television then and decided that to be life as it is, decided to... for that to be an example for them in one way or another.
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You were seeing this very powerful person, a lot of people that were enamored by his presence, doing all kinds of ridiculous shit, continuously having to prove themselves in ways that are unreasonable, like run Central Park until two of you fall and that's who's going home. These are unreasonable things.
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I don't know any other artists that didn't grow up under that situation that had to do that or was expected to do that.
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Popular amongst people that wanted to watch it or it wouldn't have returned for that many seasons.
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Because they can't keep a show on that no one wants to watch. As a society, we feed into such toxic narratives. And those narratives play out right in front of us on our televisions. The way that I saw that I returned back to a healthy state was I had to disconnect from this country.
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Yes, I had to leave and go to another country and live there and disconnect socials and everything and get out of the way of the way that we are socialized. we have such an addiction to these devices that are truly giving us a lot of unhealthy messages.
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So what do you advise to people who are seeing shows on television or seeing articles on their phones without, you know, we've had discussions on this show about headlines and narrating people's lives without any proof or reaching out to find out if anything is factual, just blanket making statements that aren't even true. What is your opinion for those people that are so
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lost in that toxic cycle, that they could be definitely in a position to be, I think what it is personally is creating an identity for people. When you're depending on those sources for an identity, you could end up on a pretty bad path in life.
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Is that all it takes, seduction?
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And give you a high to be able to be somebody that knows better. You're getting a little bit of a serotonin boost almost.
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establish with you out the gate why women stay with their abusers as it pertains to the Diddy trial.
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Question for people out there that are trying to, um,
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Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
Which aligns with what Cassie is saying on the stand. She is saying she was very young, there was such a presence and a power to him. I mean, if you look at all of the making the band seasons, he was able to manipulate all of us to do all kinds of ridiculous shit. So there is this power and this presence with him that maybe, you know, an average show would just not understand how
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It just sucks all of the air out of the room when he's in it. It's just all-consuming. I don't know how else to explain the way in which his power dominates a room. Q, you did tell me an interesting story about... We had a president at Bad Boy named Harv Pierre. He's been mentioned during this trial. His face was on the boards the first day, like mine was. Um...
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Why are you overwhelmed? Did you know those things were happening?
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You had a story with him that you told me that I thought was shocking, because Harv is one of the heads of the organization, right? So he was always very superior, and we always had to kind of look up to this guy. He was always running with Puff everywhere. And you told me a story about...
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
Yeah, I wasn't there.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
To me, it just felt so weird. You would never tell Harv to get out and let two artists get in the car that he doesn't even pay us, let alone. You don't even know me yet. It was weird. Yeah. When he said that, it stood out to me like I couldn't even imagine him telling Harv to get out the car.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
Well, you were in the band. He chose you in the band. He didn't know your fucking name.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
What else did he ask you? Sorry.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
Is it possible that she was a victim, too, to it?
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
It's kind of what Cassie's kind of saying on the stand when they were cross-examining her. Like, well, there are some text messages that suggest that she wanted an even wilder freak-off than the last time or whatever. When they read a lot of the text messages, there was some admission to at least some of them being... you know, being in awareness of some of them.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
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You know, it's hard when you get into this topic because when you groom people and they understand to express themselves and to get attention from you, they need to be sexual. You can write a sexual message, but really just mean I want to spend time with you.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
You know, so it's like to me when I was hearing it, I just kept leaving that space in there where I know survivors live, which is just like you can't take those moments
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
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turn them into this person wanted it all because a lot of times those messages come from a place that you're trained to understand it makes you most attractive to that person but where is the line between being a victim and being an accomplice and and that is that right there amy is what i'm having a very hard time with with all of this that's why i wanted to you know do this
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
I've been sitting here with stories like Q's, like many back and forth and back and forth. I switch over to sides daily wondering, you know, I try to put like Q went on for much longer with the dirty money people. You know, I was fired. So I was living a completely different life. I wasn't exposed to any of the drugs or any of the things that were going on like that.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
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So when I hear these things, I'm like, I always just try to like know what I know, know what I saw. know what I think could be possible from what I saw, know what I am shocked by, and I try to make sense of it all.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
But it sounds like from the point where I am checked out, moving forward, that drugs were a very common, constant state from the testimony and from people that were living there that are speaking with us. It just sounds like that is something that was getting very out of control.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
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That's tough. For me as a woman, I find it very hard to think that because you're either on the side of the victims or you defend the bad guy. Right. And as women, we don't get a lot of. we don't get a lot of rope to say, well, I believe these four things that the person said, these two, I saw some things where I know that those two are probably not fully the truth.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
And I could believe this, but she could be lying too. Like I'm never given the grace of being able to dissect anybody like that. I just have to make a blanket statement because I feel as a woman, especially in the celebrity world, you're either with women or you aren't. And we kind of have to be in these lanes and it makes dissecting things a bit difficult. And also because there are so many,
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headlines and journalists being so irresponsible you almost fear that the one thing you say that is a dissection gets carried off into the sunset when you dissected it properly and then you're on this side or you're on that I'm being told that I'm on sides that I haven't even dissected yet I'm scared to dissect But I could.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
I could absolutely dissect and I could absolutely pick all kinds of things apart. I do it every day since since all of this started. But but I don't I don't feel like there's any room to do that. And that's a problem. I think we really need to figure out as a society, because that's why there's such extreme palpable reactions to this case.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
There are some people that are just blanket saying Cassie is lying. There are celebrities that are people that are known in the industry that were around and they're just suggesting that. Then there are people that are fully with her.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
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There's a lot of really palpable feelings toward it because it seems like according to her testimony, there's proof that there was days that that were, you know, OK, or that maybe that somehow in the messages, it suggests that there was an agreement on certain days. And then on certain days, it seems like it got out of control and it was not wanted at all.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
We see force as such a...
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
action word but when I think of it in the making the band context I just did what he said I don't feel like anyone was giving me an action but when he said go run Central Park till somebody drops that's just what we did we just had to we just knew you had to that's what you had to do when I think of it now that was there was force in that there was coercion in that there that wasn't something I wanted to do you know like there was there were those elements there but when you're young and
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
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And because of the way we define these words, it's very difficult to understand that force factor and to verbalize it clearly to people. Because you're not looking at it like that when you're in that environment. It's just that environment is so far from anyone's healthy, natural state that when you're in it.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
And like I said, when it's good, you feel like, oh, my God, I'm living in this cool place that nobody understands. Everybody wants fame. It's not even fame. I've seen fame at all levels. There's a lot of fame that's completely normal. This is something else. The life over on that side is just in extremes. I remember at one point being on Scott Storch's yacht that they had seized at one point.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
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It's on the internet. It's this gigantic, shiny yacht that's got every bell and whistle on it.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
Yeah.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
And we had like been in his home recording and then we were all out on the yacht with Puff. And I remember after that we had gotten sent home for a while and I went home to my sorority and I was like, wow, everybody over here is real boring and this is real stale and I want to go back over there where everything was like.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
The lifestyle, and it's not just a wealthy lifestyle, it's like extravagant and at a drop of a dime Diddy will stand up and suggest that everybody goes somewhere and that's just what we do. Like it was just very... Intoxicating. Yeah, without even being on drugs.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
I didn't feel that way.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
What I'm learning as I talk to more people is the degrees of that are different, right? Like what you're willing to do. It depends on how you grew up. It depends on your experiences that you saw as a child. It depends on what you've normalized in life versus what you haven't. I was always known to like talk back to him.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
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That's not necessarily a natural state for anyone else in my group to have done that. And everybody's got different circumstances that we were raised in. So the levels in which we fought that I'll do anything card is different. But we're not different in regards to being under the blanket of being victims to it and experiencing the overall understanding of it.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
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However, the levels to which people will go as we're dissecting even within my own band, it sounds like there are levels to which one of my band members may have gone that just are foreign to me. I would never.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
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And remember, he's iconic in a culture as well. He's a huge, iconic figure. Correct.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
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You'd be surprised.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
You know, people knew who he was. I'm admitting them into the Arwing. I've never dealt with anything like that. You're paranoid of somebody. If you have that in you, you're going to be paranoid.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
It was a mask.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
And she said- Is that what she said it was?
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
Who were the twins?
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
You're talking about Diddy's daughters? Diddy's twins.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
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Hold on, what he's discussing in regards to Vlad TV is that's one of the interviews that the boys did. He had to leave gaps within that interview, and they decided to fill those gaps. It's kind of what I've experienced this past week.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
As you guys know, we started this out, and we all have this intention to talk our way through to the end of this trial and hopefully see justice for whatever is proven and whatever the jury decides— Even you, you had situations that were just made up out of nowhere. So did I last week. Q's discussing one in which he couldn't say certain things because he's honoring a contract.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
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And within that, people decided to fill in the blanks. So he discussed an email. He had tears. People put it together that he's crying over an email and what it like basically tried to like.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
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Did you have clothes on?
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
Without all of those pieces put together, you just spend every single hour of every single day, unless you find a way to distract yourself, trying to figure out what you were in. Q, you say, now I'm wondering what my group was.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
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Oh, just that introduction alone just gave me, like, stomach flips. You feel that?
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
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I know things to not make sense. You know, I experienced that a lot. But but to hear the levels of like, I don't know, it sounds that sounds like orchestration almost, you know, like have him explode into these like narratives about me that I had to carry. Puff left it on, you're being fired for being raunchy, promiscuous, bad for business.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
None of those things were accurate to me, are accurate to me, were or are accurate to me. And yet I had to then come up from under that. You guys understand what it's like to come up from under something? It's damn near impossible. I don't know that you ever do. I'm waiting for the day. I still can't. As of this week, even when we announced the podcast, it was... She's testifying. We love her.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
Yeah. Yeah. It's heavy right now.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
Now she's doing a podcast and she's refusing to take the stand as if I have any ability to take a stand as if I can walk up to the court, jump on in the stand and say, hey, everybody, Aubrey's here. I even see sites saying that I'm I'm supporting Diddy.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
I know like I knew when Q was coming on, like he really wanted to address what a specific outlet was like the narratives that they were pushing on him because he couldn't open up and talk about his full story. And I know how frustrating that is because it builds and builds and builds and and you you start to feel like you're like sinking.
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Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
What is it like to watch it from your perspective as his mom?
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Wait, let us get a mic.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
You're saying like a substance was found in there?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
S4: EP 2 — Cat and Mouse
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
S4: EP 2 — Cat and Mouse
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
S4: EP 2 — Cat and Mouse
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
S4: EP 2 — Cat and Mouse
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: Donielle Pt. 1 & Pt. 2
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: Donielle Pt. 1 & Pt. 2
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: Donielle Pt. 1 & Pt. 2
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: Donielle Pt. 1 & Pt. 2
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: Donielle Pt. 1 & Pt. 2
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: Donielle Pt. 1 & Pt. 2
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: Donielle Pt. 1 & Pt. 2
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: Donielle Pt. 1 & Pt. 2
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: Donielle Pt. 1 & Pt. 2
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: Donielle Pt. 1 & Pt. 2
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 24 - Deb
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 24 - Deb
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 23 - Dawn
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 23 - Dawn
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 23 - Dawn
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 23 - Dawn
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 27 - Abby
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 27 - Abby
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 27 - Abby
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 27 - Abby
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: EP 10 - Torrah
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: EP 10 - Torrah
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: EP 10 - Torrah
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: EP 10 - Torrah
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
Introducing the Burden of Guilt Docuseries
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Introducing the Burden of Guilt Docuseries
It wasn't all bad. But I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.