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ICE Student Arrests, HHS Cuts, Stefanik Nomination Pulled, China Trade City

Fri, 28 Mar 2025

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The Trump administration has revoked hundreds of visas of foreign students, including PhD student Rumeysa Ozturk who was detained on the street by ICE agents. The Trump administration plans to cut 20,000 jobs from the Department of Health and Human Services. President Trump pulls Elise Stefanik's nomination for UN Ambassador to keep her in the House, protecting the GOP's razor-thin majority. And, NPR looks at how U.S. tariffs are putting pressure on Chinese businesses, with some raising prices and others making trade-offs to stay competitive.Want more comprehensive analysis of the most important news of the day, plus a little fun? Subscribe to the Up First newsletter.Today's episode of Up First was edited by Eric Westervelt, Jane Greenhalgh, Jason Breslow, Reena Advani, Arezou Rezvani and Mohamad ElBardicy.It was produced by Ziad Buchh, Milton Guevara, Aowen Cao, Nia Dumas and Christopher Thomas.We get engineering support from Neisha Heinis, and our technical director is Carleigh Strange.Our Executive Producer is Jay Shaylor.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

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Chapter 1: What sparked protests over ICE arrests in Boston?

2.895 - 7.259 A. Martinez

Protests in Boston over the arrest of a Tufts University student by ICE agents.

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9.801 - 15.726 Michelle Martin

When immigrants are under attack, what do we do? Is the Trump administration targeting students just for criticizing Israel?

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15.926 - 27.617 A. Martinez

I'm Amy Martinez, that's Michelle Martin, and this is Up First from NPR News. The Trump administration plans to cut 20,000 jobs from the Department of Health and Human Services.

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27.897 - 35.344 Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

We have two goals. The first is obvious, to save the taxpayer money. And the second is to radically improve our quality of service.

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35.565 - 38.788 A. Martinez

Can they really cut that deep without hurting critical services?

39.128 - 63.728 Michelle Martin

And President Trump keeps House Republicans' slim majority intact by pulling Elise Stefanik's nomination for U.N. ambassador. Plus, Steve Inskeep is in China, where he's seeing how American tariffs are changing business in one of the world's largest trading hubs. Stay with us. We'll give you the news you need to start your day. Secretary of State Marco Rubio says the U.S.

63.788 - 69.931 Michelle Martin

has revoked hundreds of visas as part of a crackdown on student activists who opposed Israel's war in Gaza.

70.211 - 94.219 A. Martinez

Outside Boston this week, about 2,000 people took to the streets to call on the government to free Tufts University student Rumesa Ozturk. Immigration agents in plain clothes and face masks arrested Ozturk off the street and plan to deport her. She's the latest foreign-born student taken into custody as the Trump administration goes after university protesters.

94.579 - 103.226 Michelle Martin

NPR's Adrian Florido has been tracking these developments, and he's with us now. Good morning, Adrian. Good morning, Michelle. So, Adrian, tell us more about Urmesa Ozturk and what happened to her.

Chapter 2: Why is the Trump administration cutting HHS jobs?

172.042 - 188.645 Marco Rubio

The activities presented to me meet the standard of what I've just described to you. People that are supportive of movements that run counter to the foreign policy of the United States. If necessary, and a court compels us, we'll provide that information. But ultimately, it's a visa. Judges don't issue student visas. There is no right to a student visa.

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189.15 - 194.152 Adrian Florido

Ozturk, after her arrest, was quickly flown to a detention center in Louisiana, Michelle, and her lawyer is fighting to free her.

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194.592 - 214.558 Michelle Martin

And, of course, I think many people may remember that Mahmoud Khalil was arrested at Columbia University three weeks ago on similar accusations after the Secretary of State decided to revoke his green card. Now, let me remind here that he is a legal permanent resident, not a student visa holder, and he's married to an American citizen. Other students and scholars have also been pursued or arrested.

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214.978 - 217.799 Michelle Martin

So how wide is this dragnet?

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218.519 - 225.762 Adrian Florido

Well, yesterday Rubio said that he has revoked hundreds of visas, many of them student visas, making those people immediately deportable. Here he is again.

226.042 - 239.328 Marco Rubio

We are not going to be importing activists into the United States. They're here to study. They're here to go to class. They're not here to lead activist movements that are disruptive and undermine our universities. I think it's lunacy to continue to allow that.

239.798 - 257.615 Adrian Florido

Rubio is delivering on President Trump's promise, Michelle, to deport non-citizens whose activism he claims supports Hamas terrorism and is anti-Semitic. Trump has taken special aim at universities, saying they're infested with radicalism. He's demanded that schools crack down on protests and is pressuring them with funding cuts or threats of funding cuts.

258.235 - 270.046 Adrian Florido

Student activists say this is all about muzzling dissent and free speech and that these deportation arrests are about spreading terror and punishing students for their political beliefs. And they say that the arrests are unconstitutional and lawyers are fighting them.

270.466 - 272.568 Michelle Martin

And what might be next for these students who have been targeted?

Chapter 3: How is President Trump affecting UN ambassador nominations?

Chapter 4: What is the impact of US tariffs on Chinese businesses?

431.696 - 447.521 Selena Simmons-Duffin

It looks like the steepest cuts are coming from CDC and FDA, also a lesser known agency called the Administration for Community Living, which helps seniors and people with disabilities live independently. They do work like meal delivery, transportation support for caregivers.

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448.161 - 468.625 Selena Simmons-Duffin

Under the plans, that agency will be dismantled and its, quote, critical services will get spread out over a few different agencies. So employees whose jobs are getting cut could get notices as soon as today with the cuts effective in May. And HHS did not respond to NPR's request for an interview with Secretary Kennedy or give answers to a list of questions about the plans.

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469.225 - 475.106 Michelle Martin

So presumably some people do support these plans. So what do Kennedy's supporters or supporters of these plans say?

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476.218 - 494.073 Selena Simmons-Duffin

Republican lawmakers have been fairly quiet so far, especially compared to Democratic members of Congress who have quickly put together press conferences, quote, sounding the alarm about this plan. Senator Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, the Republican chair of the Health Committee, did not respond to NPR's request for comment.

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494.353 - 504.962 Selena Simmons-Duffin

What Republicans have said is that the details aren't out yet, that they believe there is administrative sprawl at HHS, that it can be streamlined, and that they trust Kennedy.

505.442 - 508.946 Michelle Martin

That is NPR health correspondent, Selena Simmons-Devon. Selena, thank you.

509.506 - 509.947 Selena Simmons-Duffin

You're welcome.

517.805 - 522.349 Michelle Martin

Republicans on Capitol Hill have worked quickly to confirm President Trump's cabinet nominees.

522.57 - 540.907 A. Martinez

Yes, some have faced contentious battles. Others have sailed right through Senate votes. There was only one pick left to appear in front of the Senate, and that was New York Congresswoman Elise Stefanik, President Trump's choice to be ambassador to the United Nations. But that changed yesterday when he pulled her nomination, saying he's asked her to stay in the House of Representatives.

Chapter 5: Why are foreign students being deported by the US government?

758.979 - 773.262 Steve Inskeep

Well, we've been visiting the source of your stuff, Michelle. Things like hairpins, pots and pans, toys. You've got a grill, don't you? You got a grill? I do. And pots and pans. Okay, well, we saw a place where they sell enormous numbers of grills.

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773.662 - 794.773 Steve Inskeep

A lot of that kind of consumer stuff comes to America through a Chinese trading city called Yiwu, Y-I-W-U, Yiwu, where thousands of wholesalers ship products from nearby factories. Our tour through this area gave us a little bit of news, how some Chinese businesses are responding to those tariffs, and also a picture of life.

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795.273 - 806.543 Steve Inskeep

This international trading market is like a shopping mall next to a shopping mall next to a shopping mall. And I walked through with our colleague, Rina Advani, and we recorded as we went. Let's just listen to a little bit of that.

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807.324 - 808.165 Kathleen Sebelius

They're all made here.

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808.743 - 810.964 Steve Inskeep

So there's an umbrella store, nothing but umbrellas.

810.984 - 817.606 Kathleen Sebelius

And there's yoga mats, chairs, it looks like parasols, all sorts of things here you can find.

818.407 - 843.338 Steve Inskeep

Light bulbs, like a light bulb store, that's what they sell. Shop after shop after shop, and then we settled in at a display room for hardware. I've been going around the store just writing down things that are for sale. Spades, saws, staplers, caulk guns, garden shears, wire cutters, bolt cutters, garden hose nozzles.

843.438 - 848.184 Michelle Martin

Okay, Steve, sounds like a shopper's paradise, but what did you learn about tariffs?

848.903 - 866.768 Steve Inskeep

that the Chinese suppliers of our goods are dealing with those tariffs in different ways. The hardware store seller who's selling screwdrivers, jackhammers, any number of things, says she thinks that her tools are in demand and that American consumers are just going to pay more. She's not changing her prices.

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