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Gambling with Memes

Sun, 30 Mar 2025

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What do Moo Deng the pygmy hippo, social media sensation Hawk Tuah, and the President of the United States all have in common? They've all inspired highly valuable, highly volatile memecoins. The memecoin began as a sort of joke cryptocurrency, but it soon became very real.On today's episode of The Sunday Story, we turn to our friends at NPR's Planet Money to help us understand the phenomenon of memecoins. What are they, and how did they go from a one-off joke to a speculative frenzy worth tens of billions of dollars? Who are the winners and losers in this brazen new market?Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

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Chapter 1: What are memecoins and why are they significant?

0.609 - 22.114 Ayesha Roscoe

I'm Aisha Roscoe, and you're listening to the Sunday Story from Up First. So there are some things in this world that I just have a hard time getting my head around. And, you know, I've got to say one of them is cryptocurrency. And the longer it's around, the weirder and more complicated it seems to get. It's all a bit daunting to me.

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22.375 - 49.041 Ayesha Roscoe

But for some of my colleagues, explaining new trends in the economy is what they do. A few months ago, Planet Money host Alexi Horowitz-Gazi came across a viral video that clarified something about the explosion of a type of cryptocurrency called meme coins. These are highly valuable and highly volatile tradable currencies that have cropped up on the Internet over the past decade.

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49.641 - 58.135 Ayesha Roscoe

And anyone can make one. Here's Alexi talking about the video he saw and the story of one particular meme coin.

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Chapter 2: How did a 13-year-old create and profit from a memecoin?

59.349 - 73.181 Nick Nevis

On the night of November 19th, 2024, this baby-faced kid, he looks around 13 years old, used a new online platform to launch a brand new cryptocurrency into the world. We're not using his name because he did all this anonymously.

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73.902 - 96.157 Nick Nevis

The cryptocurrency he created is what's known as a meme coin, which is a kind of joke currency, something that doesn't hold any inherent value besides what other people on the internet are willing to pay for it. The kid named his coin Gen Z Quant. He spent a few hundred dollars to buy up about 5% of the total supply of his new coin. And then he also started live streaming on the platform.

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96.538 - 100.84 Nick Nevis

Somebody else recorded the live stream, which is why in the video you can hear the kid and a couple other voices.

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Are we bonded yet, or what's good?

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103.501 - 122.445 Nick Nevis

In the video, you can both see the kid's face and a chart showing the coin's price. Within seconds, the list of people buying the coin starts to stream in, and the little green price line on the chart starts shooting upward. Like a rocket ship trying to reach escape velocity on its way to the moon. At first, the kid seems surprised.

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Wait, what?

124.325 - 149.875 Nick Nevis

Wait, I'm so confused. But then he gets this kind of devious grin on his face. His cheeks start to get a little flushed. He moves his cursor over to a sell button on the website. And with one click, he cashes out the entirety of his holdings in Gen Z Quan. Some 51 million tokens for a cool $20,000 or so. There's a murmur of surprise from other people watching the live stream.

150.135 - 176.48 Nick Nevis

In the chat, a little burst of fire emojis starts popping off. And the price of Gen Z Quant then immediately collapses. The green line on the price chart turns red and takes a nosedive. And for a moment, the kid again seems shocked at what he's been able to do. Holy f***! Holy f***! And then the kid makes it clear. He is not, in fact, so confused. He seems to know exactly what's happening.

177.041 - 195.781 Nick Nevis

He extends both of his middle fingers to the camera and utters a line that's become kind of infamous in the crypto world. Thanks for the 20 bandos. Thanks for the 20 bandos. Thanks, in other words, for the $20,000 or so that this group of total strangers on the internet had just transferred right into his account.

Chapter 3: Where did the idea for Dogecoin originate?

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375.779 - 388.196 Ayesha Roscoe

We're back with the Sunday story. Today, a deep dive into meme coins from our colleagues over at Planet Money. Here's NPR's Alexi Horowitz-Ghazi with freelance reporter Nick Nevis.

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388.561 - 407.13 Alexi Horowitz-Ghazi

Hello, Alexi. Hello. Yes. Over the past few months, you and I have been on a deep dive into the world of meme coins. We've been spelunking in the crypto mines. We've been getting lost in them because over the past decade, meme coins have gone from a one-off joke to a speculative frenzy worth tens of billions of dollars.

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407.89 - 439.176 Nick Nevis

Today on the show, the story of the meme coin casino. How a few technological leaps and cultural shifts helped turn a seedy internet backwater into a giant cryptocurrency gold rush. OK, so in order to tell the story of how we got to this moment where we are constantly awash in new meme coins, we have to begin at the beginning. And in the beginning, of course, there was Bitcoin.

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439.696 - 450.948 Alexi Horowitz-Ghazi

Bitcoin was launched in 2009 and it was pitched as a sort of utopian alternative to government backed currencies. It was a way for people to pay each other without having to rely on the existing financial system.

451.288 - 470.425 Nick Nevis

But in the years after its launch, there was also this whole wave of often sketchy new Bitcoin copycats. And this is where you start to see this pattern develop that's characterized the world of cryptocurrency ever since. A cycle of grand utopian promises followed by a period of frenzied speculation and outright fraud.

470.905 - 478.389 Alexi Horowitz-Ghazi

And this was the seedy state of crypto that inspired what is widely considered to be the first meme coin, Dogecoin.

478.849 - 498.019 Nick Nevis

The story starts back in 2013 with a guy named Jackson Palmer. Palmer was an Australian product manager at a tech company, and he believed that there was something fundamentally useful about what crypto promised to do. But when he looked around at some of these speculative new cryptocurrencies, he saw that people seemed to be using crypto as a kind of cash grab.

498.359 - 501.842 Nick Nevis

Basically, some people were running what are known as pump-and-dump schemes.

Chapter 4: How did Ethereum change the landscape of cryptocurrency?

678.38 - 682.801 Nick Nevis

What do you do when you're not digging into the smarmy back corners of the crypto world?

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683.263 - 688.127 Zeke Fox

I've got three little kids, so I like to hang out with them. And I hope they never get into meme coins.

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688.948 - 708.764 Nick Nevis

Yes, keep them quarantined. Zeke says that first revolution that helped spawn our meme coin filled moment was a cultural one. The one where Dogecoin helped marry the world of memes to the world of crypto. But the second revolution was a technological leap. It came a few years later with the invention of a brand new blockchain called Ethereum.

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709.386 - 732.078 Alexi Horowitz-Ghazi

So a blockchain is basically a ledger that everyone can see, and it keeps track of how many tokens someone has of a given cryptocurrency. It used to be that in order to make a new cryptocurrency, you had to code up a new blockchain. So Bitcoin had its own blockchain. Dogecoin had a different one. But Ethereum made it so that you could keep track of multiple cryptocurrencies on the same blockchain.

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732.558 - 736.921 Alexi Horowitz-Ghazi

You could just create a new coin right on top of Ethereum's underlying infrastructure.

737.481 - 754.746 Nick Nevis

And this new Ethereum blockchain helped set off a massive surge in new cryptocurrencies starting around 2017 or so. They were called initial coin offerings or ICOs. And these coins were often framed as useful new technologies, cryptocurrencies that would have some sort of real world utility.

755.131 - 771.906 Zeke Fox

This was the time when people were still really pitching blockchain as like the solution to all the world's problems. So in general, these ICOs were like, it's the blockchain for dentists, or this is going to be the blockchain that helps track agriculture.

772.267 - 774.268 Nick Nevis

It's Bitcoin for farmers. Yeah.

776.143 - 786.776 Zeke Fox

But people are basically trading them just on hype. And studies afterwards found that something like three quarters of all the ICO's initial coin offerings were scams or fraud.

Chapter 5: What role did COVID-19 play in the rise of meme stocks?

915.825 - 917.586 Nick Nevis

Crypto winter, some might call it.

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917.646 - 918.126 Zeke Fox

Yeah.

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920.767 - 933.692 Nick Nevis

So how do we go from crypto's dark night of the soul to an era teeming with more meme coins than we can keep track of? And who are the winners and losers of this brazen new world? That's coming up after the break.

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1010.205 - 1024.29 Nick Nevis

Okay, so at this point, we've seen the same pattern play out over and over in the world of crypto. There's a rush of utopian promises, followed by a speculative rush of shady investments, followed by a sobering collapse as all the sketchy stuff is revealed.

1024.831 - 1036.215 Alexi Horowitz-Ghazi

Dogecoin, you'll remember, was first invented as a cheeky response to the wave of sketchy Bitcoin copycats. And you can think of the current memecoin moment as a sort of like doubling down on the joke.

Chapter 6: What is Pump.Fun and how is it influencing the memecoin market?

1261.765 - 1263.966 Zeke Fox

Uh, it's this, it's got a martini.

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1264.266 - 1265.826 Nick Nevis

It's a squirrel with a martini glass.

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1266.126 - 1269.127 Zeke Fox

Wow. This seems like it has a lot of meme coin potential.

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1269.488 - 1270.288 Nick Nevis

Definitely.

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1271.088 - 1272.529 Zeke Fox

So what should we call it?

1273.049 - 1277.17 Nick Nevis

Well, there's either animal spirits or there's PM squirrel coin.

1277.47 - 1281.011 Zeke Fox

PM squirrel coin. Okay. So the ticker will be PMSC.

1281.171 - 1281.651 Nick Nevis

Naturally.

1281.912 - 1286.333 Zeke Fox

For the description, this is the planet money squirrel. Does that sound good?

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