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Birthright Citizenship Arguments, Trump's Mideast Trip, Sean 'Diddy' Combs Trial

Fri, 16 May 2025

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The U.S. Supreme Court seemed divided as justices heard arguments debating how lower courts should handle President Trump's executive order on birthright citizenship. Trump heads back to Washington after four days of pomp in the Middle East. The first week of the federal criminal trial of Sean Combs featured testimony alleging a pattern of control and violence.Want more comprehensive analysis of the most important news of the day, plus a little fun? Subscribe to the Up First newsletter.Today's episode of Up First was edited by Krishnadev Calamur, Jacob Ganz, Roberta Rampton, Ally Schweitzer and Alice Woelfle. It was produced by Ana Perez, Nia Dumas and Christopher Thomas. We get engineering support from Neisha Heinis, and our technical director is Carleigh Strange. Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

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Chapter 1: What constitutional issues surround birthright citizenship and President Trump's executive order?

2.338 - 6.082 A. Martinez

The Constitution guarantees citizenship to anyone born in the United States.

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6.182 - 13.228 Steve Inskeep

President Trump tried to overturn that right and asked the Supreme Court to limit the power of judges to stop him. What are the arguments?

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13.528 - 34.261 A. Martinez

I'm Ian Martinez, that is Steve Inskeep, and this is Up First from NPR News. President Trump basked in the luxury offered by foreign governments. He also used U.S. troops as the audience for a campaign rally-style speech. What did his Mideast trip accomplish for the United States? Frank Ordonez traveled with him and has an assessment.

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34.341 - 49.191 Steve Inskeep

Also, Sean Combs' former girlfriend testified about their 11-year relationship. Cassie Ventura described a pattern of violence and control. What's the evidence that the record executive abused his power? Stay with us. We've got the news you need to start your day.

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125.595 - 130.777 Steve Inskeep

Judging by their questions in oral arguments, the Supreme Court seemed divided yesterday.

Chapter 2: How did the Supreme Court justices respond to arguments on birthright citizenship?

130.957 - 142.242 A. Martinez

Yeah, they went back and forth with lawyers for more than two hours about birthright citizenship. Lower courts have found it was unconstitutional for President Trump to try and erase that constitutional right by executive order.

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142.462 - 152.086 Steve Inskeep

NPR legal affairs correspondent Nina Totenberg says the government advanced a different argument. Hi there, Nina. Hi there, Steve. So, Nina, what was the president trying to do, or his lawyers, anyway?

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Chapter 3: What was the government's legal position on limiting birthright citizenship?

153.166 - 171.893 Nina Totenberg

The Supreme Court ruled unanimously 127 years ago that the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, which was enacted after the Civil War, says unambiguously that all babies born in the United States are automatically U.S. citizens. President Trump, however, has always had his own interpretation.

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172.293 - 190.886 Nina Totenberg

So on his first day in office this year, he issued an executive order declaring that the children of parents who entered the U.S. illegally or on a temporary visa are not entitled to automatic U.S. citizenship. Three different district court judges ruled that the executive order violated the Constitution.

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191.166 - 211.112 Nina Totenberg

In addition, they issued temporary nationwide orders called universal injunctions that temporarily barred the enforcement of the Trump order anywhere in the country while the cases litigated in the appeals courts. The Trump administration, claiming that the judges had exceeded their authority, then went to the Supreme Court asking it to block those nationwide injunctions.

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211.192 - 222.587 Steve Inskeep

Yeah, I guess the argument is that the ruling in a lower court should only apply to the case that's in front of them. And in fairness, some justices do not seem to have liked nationwide injunctions in the past.

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223.083 - 235.972 Nina Totenberg

Correct. But yesterday, they didn't seem so certain, especially after Trump's Solicitor General, John Sauer, reiterated the president's view that the 14th Amendment only applies to former slaves and their children.

236.213 - 254.004 Nina Totenberg

Justice Sotomayor asked whether if a new president ordered the military to confiscate all guns in the country, would the course have to sit back and wait until every person whose gun is taken files a lawsuit? Justice Kagan then followed up asking Sauer about Trump's birthright executive order known as an EO.

254.365 - 265.551 Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection)

Let's just assume you're dead wrong. How do we get a single rule of citizenship that is not the rule that we've historically applied rather than the rule that the EO would have us do?

266.007 - 284.163 Nina Totenberg

Later, when Solicitor General Sauer hedged on whether the administration is committed to abiding by any court ruling, Justice Barrett leaned forward in her chair asking him whether the administration would abide by appeals court orders. Sauer responded this way. There are circumstances when it is not a categorical practice.

284.563 - 293.571 Steve Inskeep

Interesting that he is questioned there by a Trump appointee. He says, maybe we would follow appeals court orders, maybe not. How did the justices respond to that?

Chapter 4: What questions did the Supreme Court justices raise about nationwide injunctions and executive orders?

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What do hospitals do with a newborn? What do states do with a newborn?

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306.839 - 313.703 Nina Totenberg

The federal officials will have to figure that out. Replied Sauer, we just don't know. Justice Jackson then interjected.

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314.104 - 328.113 Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection)

Your argument seems to turn our justice system into a catch me if you can kind of regime where everybody has to have a lawyer and file a lawsuit in order for the government to stop violating people's rights.

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328.473 - 340.864 Nina Totenberg

When Sauer suggested that litigants could bring class actions instead of individual lawsuits, lawyer Jeremy Feigenbaum, representing the state, said that would produce, quote, unprecedented chaos on the ground.

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341.285 - 347.991 Steve Inskeep

Nina, sometimes you can listen to the justices' questions and predict how they're going to rule. Are you able to predict this time?

348.391 - 348.571 Nina Totenberg

Nope.

349.832 - 353.055 Steve Inskeep

We'll just have to keep listening then. NPR's Nina Totenberg, thanks so much.

353.475 - 353.836 Nina Totenberg

Thank you.

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What did the United States gain from President Trump's first state trip overseas in a second term?

Chapter 5: What insights did NPR legal correspondent Nina Totenberg provide about the court's division?

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I've been doing this for four days. I leave now and get onto a 42-year-old Boeing. But new ones are coming. New ones are coming.

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390.982 - 406.906 A. Martinez

President Trump has talked about accepting a luxury Boeing aircraft from the Qatari royal family to use until a new fleet of planes is ready for Air Force One, raising concerns about ethics and security back home. He's also coming back without much to show on the biggest diplomatic challenge in the region, the war in Gaza.

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407.006 - 420.17 Steve Inskeep

NPR White House correspondent Franco Ordonez has been traveling with the president. Such a whirlwind trip, Franco, that when I asked you a moment ago, where are you, it took you a couple seconds to recall, which is perfectly understandable. We're glad you're with us from where?

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420.806 - 443.029 Franco Ordonez

I am in Abu Dhabi, in the UAE. Got it. And what struck you from this trip? Well, I mean, what struck me from this trip is just how dramatically the leaders pulled out all the stops for Trump. I mean, you had the fighter jets escorting Air Force One as it landed in Riyadh, and later in Doha. You had the military receptions, the Arabian forces, you had the camels.

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443.169 - 457.479 Franco Ordonez

And the president really saw him to love it all. But I was also struck by how little discussion there was about the crisis in Gaza, where Israel really keeps escalating its strikes, and it is promising an even greater offensive once Trump leaves.

457.619 - 459.16 Steve Inskeep

Well, what did the president focus on?

Chapter 6: What were the key outcomes and observations from President Trump's Middle East trip?

460.063 - 481.898 Franco Ordonez

Well, he focused on business. I mean, in his first big speech on the trip, he said he was not there to lecture the region on how it should handle its affairs. But Trump ultimately could not entirely avoid the Gaza crisis, which he just noted is the biggest issue affecting the region right now. And yesterday, he again suggested that the U.S. take over Gaza and develop the land.

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482.338 - 488.262 Franco Ordonez

He was actually at a business roundtable in Doha, and he told reporters that there was nothing left to save in Gaza.

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I think I'd be proud to have the United States have it, take it, make it a freedom zone, let some good things happen, put people in homes where they can be safe. And Hamas is going to have to be dealt with.

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504.775 - 518.278 Franco Ordonez

Now, Steve, it's an idea that Arab nations, including his host this week, have strongly opposed. And I'll just add that he did offer an olive branch to Syria, a diplomatic one, agreeing to lift sanctions at the request of the Saudi's crown prince.

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518.438 - 530.34 Steve Inskeep

OK, so there's Gaza, there's Syria, a separate issue. And then there's the matter of the war in Ukraine, because the president said he might go to Turkey, where some of his officials are trying to negotiate an end to the war. Is he going to stop there?

Chapter 7: How did foreign leaders treat President Trump during his Middle East visit?

531.394 - 554.359 Franco Ordonez

Well, I mean, it doesn't look like it. Russian President Vladimir Putin didn't show up, and Trump said he doesn't think anything will happen until he meets with Putin directly. Trump did say this morning that they will meet as soon as a time can be set up. He mentioned, actually, that he may have gone today to Turkey, but he needs to get back and meet the newest member of the Trump family.

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554.799 - 556.679 Franco Ordonez

His daughter, Tiffany, just had a baby.

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556.859 - 558.86 Steve Inskeep

Okay. Any other lasting takeaways for you?

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Chapter 8: What concerns arose about ethics and diplomacy during Trump's overseas trip?

559.963 - 581.389 Franco Ordonez

I mean, one thing I'm really still processing is this speech that Trump gave yesterday to service members at an Air Force base outside Doha. You know, usually presidents don't get too political when they're talking to troops. But Trump gave what amounted to a campaign speech. I mean, he called the Biden administration evil. He said the troops were making America great again, using his slogan.

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581.769 - 589.291 Franco Ordonez

He walked onto the stage to his campaign music. He walked off his stage to the campaign music. So it was just very unusual for a president.

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589.611 - 592.136 Steve Inskeep

Franco, thanks so much for the insights and safe travels home.

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592.997 - 593.899 Franco Ordonez

Thanks always, Steve.

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594.3 - 609.139 Steve Inskeep

NPR's Franco Ordonez in Abu Dhabi. In this country, the sex trafficking trial of Sean Combs began this week.

609.499 - 617.905 A. Martinez

So far, three witnesses have taken the stand. One of them, Combs' ex-girlfriend, Cassie Ventura, testified that their relationship was marked by violence and blackmail.

618.045 - 630.534 Steve Inskeep

NPR's Isabel Gomez Sarmiento has been in the courthouse and joins us. We will be getting into allegations of physical and sexual assault in the next three and a half minutes. Isabel, good morning. Good morning, Steve. What does the prosecution case amount to?

631.052 - 645.58 Isabella Gomez-Sarmiento

So basically, prosecutors are alleging that Combs forced two of his ex-girlfriends into these highly orchestrated sexual performances that were fueled by drug use. They're saying he ran a criminal enterprise that not only enabled but concealed those sex crimes along with other illegal activities.

645.66 - 648.962 Steve Inskeep

Well, A mentioned Cassie Ventura. What have you heard from her?

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