Training Without Conflict® Podcast Episode Fifty-Eight: Jan Van MarenIn this episode, I have a conversation with a good friend and excellent helper Jan Van Maren. For those who know him, he needs no introduction, but for those who don’t, he is a highly respected world-level IGP helper from the Netherlands. He was the helper at the 2017 WUSV World Championship and was also brought in to be helper at the 2017 Brazilian IPO Championships. I had a great time with this conversation and I am sure you will love it as well!Enjoy and don’t forget to comment!Ivan Balabanov is a 2-time World Champion dog trainer, Ot Vitosha Malinois breeder, trainer of Premier Protection Dogs and founder of the revolutionary Training Without Conflict® dog training system.For more information about Ivan Balabanov's Dog Training School and information on how to train your dog using the Training Without Conflict® system, check out: https://trainingwithoutconflict.comhttps://malinois.comhttps://premierprotectiondogs.comPlease like, comment, and share with your dog friends💪🏼
Chapter 1: Who is Jan Van Maren and what is his background?
And today my guest is Jan van Maren from the Netherlands.
Jan's coming now quite regularly to us, helping us prepare our dogs in protection as a helper. Today we had the first day of training and we have two more to go. How are you feeling? How is with the time change and everything doing good so far?
Yeah, it's been good.
You're always good at that time.
Yeah, yeah. I have no problems with jet lag and stuff.
So before you came, where were you before you came here? What did you do? Did you travel somewhere?
No, I didn't travel somewhere. No, I've been home now for a half year because our little girl was born.
Yes, the kids.
Yeah, the kids.
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Chapter 2: What is the experience of Jan as a helper in dog training?
So for the long bite, the long bite is quite an exercise. Not really complex, but a lot of things happens in a very short amount of time. We have to deal with different things. So the mentality of the helper, is he ready? But what exercises can we teach to make it better? In the Netherlands, we teach helpers to make rotations. That is very good for the eye-hand coordination.
Rotation meaning?
Yeah, the spinning, yeah. But not like a helicopter, but stepping away, make an explosion of power. with the dog on the ground and turn it to the other way and do that a couple of times. It helps a lot with eye-hand coordination, with your footwork. What helps in that kind of exercises, because a lot of things are happening, a lot of techniques are in one time.
And also very important with teaching a helper the long bite is not stepping back.
Yeah.
Well, there's a reason for it. If you step back with catching dogs, for most dogs it's okay because you're going backwards, sleeveless, a little bit in motion, but it's prey drive. Sure, sure, yes. Every movement backwards is prey drive, is giving the dog more energy, more motivation to get the sleeve. In terms of doing competition work, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So if we prepare helpers to do competition, nothing may go backwards. Everything must be offensive. You are the leader. You are going to dictate the fight. So stepping backwards is not good.
And I know now some of the helpers that are listening and the handlers that are listening for sure are going like, whoa, going too strong at the dog. How do we prevent the dangerous collisions and stuff? How do we, you know, and sometimes, of course, this can happen no matter what. But what is the what kind of drills and suggestions? How do you?
Yeah, so the benefits of stepping into the dog. So as I put your right foot in front, as it gives you the opportunity to move your hips away. So you can be a small person with the sleeve high, with the stock in front, because the whole posture will make it possible to catch the dog on a good way.
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Chapter 3: How has the role of helpers changed in dog sports?
What do you think about the active and silent guards? What do I think about? Like some trainers, some judges. don't like silent guard altogether. Some think it has to be active. Some judges recognizing the silent guard, when the silent is not necessarily a guard, but it's just, I'm just sitting here waiting. I'm not looking away, but I'm sitting and waiting.
Or if it's a active guarding, well, maybe the barking is just kind of, it's very... active but there is no demand and like like well do you have anything it's the same problem in my eyes so um a silent garden can be active as well for sure
That's the whole difference. If a dog is just sitting on the ground with his ears half back, then it's not active. Then it's forced to guard in silence. Well, if a dog is with the ears up and with a lot of, well, intensity. Yeah, for sure. Nothing. For me, for me, that's okay. I think the silent.
Kind of like that dog that Theo Sporrer had at that Satsit last weekend. It was all silent. It was amazing. I mean, it was amazing. Like really, really cool to watch. I don't, and I think it's hard for judges when you see a dog that comes in the blind and makes really, let's say, good rating of barking, and then all the rest of the attacks, everything is silent.
But you know why it's silent, because the dog just doesn't have that confidence to go, you're mine. It's a tricky thing with the sport. It's interesting.
It's important for judges that they understand that kind of things. That's why it's important that the judges also are still active with dogs. Yeah. I'm happy in the Netherlands that the most judges that are judging are also handling dogs. I can really appreciate that in a judge. If they are competing high level or not, well, that...
But they're still in the game.
They're still in the game. They're still working with them and they experience how difficult it is to get somewhere.
Because it's easy to forget what you just said, what it really takes to appreciate when somebody comes on the field with their dog, you know?
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Chapter 5: How do different breeds affect training techniques?
Yeah, it's unfortunate. Yeah.
Yeah. But when a ban is coming, it's always the question how much attention you must give it. So if a lot of people are going into protest, maybe you get the wrong attention. So it's a very difficult discussion.
In the States, they try all the time. But I don't know, somehow we have... from different like pet trainers, hunters, sport trainers. And we kind of, at that time we come together and we say, Hey, no, not everybody agrees with that. And, and the politicians in the beginning, they're like, oh yeah, let's make the band because it seems like everybody wants it.
But the moment they see that it's not everybody. then politicians, they want to be liked from every side. So they're like, okay, this is not something we decide yet. And that's been the case for many years now. And I think we're getting even stronger to protect how we train here. Do you feel that...
it could change back in in europe or it's not possible anymore no no i think also the politics have to work so hard to get it through um the ethical discussion that they probably get to change it back will be Well, not killing them, but that will be not good for their career.
Yeah, I can see that. It's crazy.
What about IGP as a whole? Do you think that's going to get banned?
Well, in the Netherlands, it depends what Germany is going to do.
Yeah, Germany is always a big factor.
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