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835: Children of Dave

Sun, 18 May 2025

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Boen Wang has a theory that a lot of the misery in his life can be traced to a single moment that happened years before he was born. So he makes a pilgrimage to see if he’s right. Visit thisamericanlife.org/lifepartners to sign up for our premium subscription. Prologue: Ira talks about what it’s like to go back to 1119 Bayard Street in Baltimore. (6 minutes)Part One: Boen visits Norman, Oklahoma, where he was born, to meet the man he thinks changed his parents’ lives—and his life, too. (31 minutes)Part Two: Boen’s friend, Andrew, and his parents take what he learned in Part One, throw it into a blender, and push puree. (20 minutes)Transcripts are available at thisamericanlife.orgThis American Life privacy policy.Learn more about sponsor message choices.

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What is the significance of 1119 Bayard Street?

953.784 - 972.671 Boen Wang

When I thought about the future, I pictured myself getting frozen fish nuggets from Trader Joe's, frozen hash browns and tartar sauce from Giant Eagle, and eating them together as the saddest fish and chips in the world while watching through all of Twin Peaks. Which is what I did my first semester in grad school, living with Craigslist roommates in a single room in Pittsburgh.

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973.806 - 998.638 Boen Wang

I read an interview in The Cut with a, quote, 58-year-old virgin who said that the worst part about his life is, quote, laying alone at night, falling asleep, and then getting up in the morning and remembering you're alone. I read that, and I was like, yep, all right, here we go. At age 25, I started dating my partner and now fiancé, Grace. They're the first person I ever dated.

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999.179 - 1007.903 Boen Wang

We saw the movie Challengers the other day. The horny Zendaya tennis movie about three tennis players who fuck each other while fucking each other over.

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1008.704 - 1015.107 Grace

On the drive back from the theater, Grace was like, Wow, horny Zendaya tennis movie sure was horny, don't you think?

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1015.543 - 1025.795 Boen Wang

And I was like, uh, well, I just really like the soundtrack by Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross of Nine Inch Nails. They also did the music for The Social Network and Gone Girl and The Watchmen TV show.

1025.956 - 1031.808 Grace

Right. But the movie was also like really horny, right? Did it make you horny? Uh, maybe.

1031.828 - 1042.853 Boen Wang

I don't know. It's just that Nine Inch Nails actually released an album of instrumentals in 2008 entirely through a Creative Commons license, so you don't have to pay any licensing fees. I actually use some of their songs in my podcasts.

1042.953 - 1050.116 Grace

Bowen, did the horny Zendaya tennis movie make you horny? Why are you being so immature about this?

1051.724 - 1073.24 Boen Wang

I don't know what exactly happened in this moment, but I felt like a child. I felt swallowed by an overwhelming feeling of shame. Shame about sex, about sexual desire, and simply being a sexual being, for having a body. For a long time, I wished I didn't have a body, that I was a floating consciousness, freed from the shame and guilt of the flesh.

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