We leave the normal realm of human error and enter the territory of huge breakdowns. Visit thisamericanlife.org/lifepartners to sign up for our premium subscription.Prologue: Jack Hitt tells the story of a small-town production of Peter Pan in which all the usual boundaries between the audience and actors dissolve entirely. (6 minutes)Act One: Jack Hitt's Peter Pan story continues. (18 minutes)Act Two: The first day on the job inevitably means mistakes, mishaps, and sometimes, fiascos. A true story, told by a former rookie cop. (13 minutes)Act Three: Comedian Mike Birbiglia talks about the time he ruined a cancer charity event by giving the worst performance of his life. Here's a hint: He improvised. About cancer. (10 minutes)Act Four: Journalist Margy Rochlin on her first big assignment to do a celebrity interview: Moon Unit Zappa in 1982. Midway through the interview: fiasco! (7 minutes)Transcripts are available at thisamericanlife.orgThis American Life privacy policy.Learn more about sponsor message choices.
Chapter 1: What happens when a small-town production of Peter Pan goes wrong?
I don't think she had ever directed. and she claimed to have acted, and it was never really quite clear just what her credentials were. But she had managed to convince the local theater department of this college that she should direct a production of Peter Pan.
When he was in the 10th grade in 1973, Jack Hitt saw her production. And like everybody else in town, he heard about it for weeks beforehand.
Slowly but surely, you know, you began to hear, you know, sort of rumors about this production. For example, I know that they had spent a lot of money... renting these flying apparatuses out of New York. And apparently there's like one company and a handful of these apparatuses. And so to get them was a major coup.
This is a story not just of a mediocre play or a terrible play. When it comes right down to it, it's not even a story about a play. This is a story about a fiasco and about what makes a fiasco.
And one ingredient of many fiascos is that great, massive, heart-wrenching chaos and failure are more likely to occur when great ambition has come into play, when plans are big, expectations great, hopes at their highest.
And what you have to understand is that everybody in this sort of community understood that there were And there was certainly a sort of air of everyone sort of reaching beyond their own grasp. Every actor was sort of in a role that was just a little too big for them. Every aspect of the set and the crew. And, you know, rumors had sort of cooked around. You know, there was this huge crew.
There were lots of things being planned.
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Chapter 2: How does ambition lead to chaos in performances?
See, but this, in fact, is one of the criteria for greatness, is that everyone is just about to reach just beyond their grasp because that is when greatness can occur.
That's right. That's right. And maybe greatness could have occurred.
Well, today on our program, what happens when greatness does not occur? What happens, in fact, when fumble leads to error, leads to mishap, and before you know it, you have left the realm of ordinary mistake and chaos, and you have entered into the more ethereal, specialized realm of fiasco.
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This is American Life. Today's show is a rerun, a really fun show that we thought would be fun to run this holiday week. And we begin our show with this true fable of Peter Pan in Act One, opening night.
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Chapter 3: What are the signs of an impending fiasco in theater?
the little boy, is sort of being flung around a little too hard.
Well, he has the least mass to resist whatever the machinery is doing to him.
Right. Okay, so and? And so he's flying around in this circle, and the audience sort of sees this coming, and there's a real sense of pain and gripping of the chair and white knuckleness as the kid suddenly does just a,
an enormous splat into the wardrobe I mean and it's clear that he's hurt you know and he comes off of it sort of you know a little dazed and then of course he's jerked up in the air a little bit and often a little too high so that he's suddenly sort of in the workings he's sort of He sort of left the stage itself. He's now up there with the lights, you know.
And then all of a sudden he just sort of... Suddenly he would just plummet back down to the stage and be caught up just before he hit the floor. And... It was hard to watch because, as you can tell, it's an incredibly funny moment. But like I say, the audience was still in this very forgiving mode. And no one said a word. We just all sat there sort of holding our breath.
And there's that weird tension of being in the audience thinking, oh, oh my goodness, they have gotten off to a very bad start. Oh, this is not good. Right. And we feel for them.
May I just interrupt for just a moment to just say now, at this point, because after all, we are not just joined here together on the radio, you and I today, to laugh at the foibles of the unfortunate. No, no, we're here to enumerate the qualities of a fiasco. At this point, we are not yet. In the territory of Fiasco.
No, no. Because, you know, like I say, audiences are forgiving. And, you know, one or two mistakes, even big ones like this, they're going to let that ride. Yes, they are. We did. We did. We were very good.
So we are not yet at Fiasco. We are at a sort of normal level of mishap. Right. Right.
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Chapter 4: How does the audience react to a live theater fiasco?
And I think Tinkerbell must have had an appearance in the first act, but it was somewhere in here that people just started laughing at this. Then another thing that happened was later on in this scene, if you remember, Wendy gets trapped on an island. And and she she spots a kite that's floating by and flying by and she's supposed to grab it and attach it to her back and fly off. Right. Right.
Well, of course, the kite is attached to the flying apparatus line. And it gets closer and closer to her. She's standing on this little paper mache hill. But the flying apparatus people can't quite get it close enough to her to reach. So she has to step out into the waters that she's just told us is filled with crocodiles to grab it. She finally gets the kite.
And when she yanks on it, it pops off the flying apparatus. And the hook goes zinging up into the lights and catches. Yeah. So now there is this big loop of wire hanging in front of the stage. And there's Wendy holding the kite. And she ad-libbed as best she could, as I remember. She sort of said, on second thought, maybe I can swim.
And with that, she walked off the stage sort of motioning her arms like you would do the swim, the dance in 1965. Oh. So she does that. At this point, I mean, the audience, the actors are just falling apart. They are so frightened of the audience. There are just belly laughs rolling up to the stage from the audience. People are howling with laughter at every mistake.
And now any small mistake just takes on these... You know, it's just any instigation for laughter is just enough for this audience. And now the old people have given it up. Everyone has quit being nice. Now there is just this kind of frightening roar that comes from the audience every time there's a mistake.
Well, what happened? At some point the audience turned and realized, oh, wait, I realize what's going on here. This is a fiasco.
Yeah, this is a fiasco. And what's really interesting about a fiasco is that once it starts to tumble down, the audience wants to push it further along.
Oh, they get hungry for more fiasco. Oh, yeah. If this play proceeded perfectly, they would be disappointed.
Oh, it would have been a grave disappointment had there not been just one more mistake after another, one more embarrassment after another. Now the reason they're there is to chronicle these embarrassments. This is why I have remembered this play for 25 years. ¶¶ Towards Act 3, the director had decided that she wanted to break down the fourth wall.
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Chapter 5: What role does human error play in creating a fiasco?
Like, I've said this before, but a few years ago, I was moving a new bed into my apartment, and this woman who lived in the building opened the front door for me with her key, and she goes, I'm not worried because a rapist wouldn't have a bed like that. That's how she started the conversation. Now, what I should have said was nothing.
What I did say was you'd be surprised, and there's nothing you can say after that. You're just like, see you around the building, you know, that kind of thing. I've thought about this a lot, and I think there's something wrong with my brain where I don't have an on-deck circle for ideas. It's just, batter up, you know?
And a lot of the ideas are bad, and they're at the plate going, I don't know about this one, Mike. And I just turn into this drunk Little League dad. I'm like, you go take some cuts, son. As a comedian, when people laugh, it's very exciting. It's a very neat thing. And when they don't, it feels like you're performing jazz. Because they're kind of bobbing their head and looking to the side.
And sometimes that's okay. I'm like, I like jazz. But then I get worried because I'm like, sometimes jazz sucks. What if I'm the Kenny G of comedy? What if I think I sound like this? And in fact, I sound like this. So I'm on stage at the charity golf tournament, and I'm just Kenny-G-ing it up, you know? Just for ten minutes, just... Just blowing that horn, you know, and...
And I don't want to fail. I mean, that's a really important point in this story is that these are good people and I want to succeed for them, but I just can't, you know? And so I think to myself, why don't I cater my material to this specific event? And everyone has been talking about cancer. I know. I know. I'm in the future also.
I had that thought on stage for about one second, and then batter up! I said to the audience, a true story, I said, I went to the doctor and they told me there was something in my bladder. And whenever they tell you that, it's never anything good. You know, like we found something in your bladder and it's season tickets to the Yankees. That was the response I was hoping for.
At that point, I just threw in the towel. I mean, I was just devastated. I thanked the audience and apologized simultaneously, which I've never done. I was like, thank you, sorry for ruining your event. And I just kind of walked off. And I was so upset, and I walked over to Joe. And I go, Joe, we are leaving. Now. And that's when Joe said, and I quote, Mike, I can't.
They're just about to start the raffle. And because everybody laughed, my odds are amazing. Amazing. And that is the worst show I have ever done in my entire life. Yeah.
Mike Birbiglia, in addition to touring and having specials on Netflix, he also has a podcast about how to write stories and jokes. I've actually been on it a couple of times. It's called Working It Out. You can find it wherever you get your podcasts. Act Four. Fiascos is a force for good.
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Chapter 6: How do fiascos become memorable experiences for audiences?
Yeah. No, it was really – and I have to say that, you know, it was a very embarrassing experience and it completely made me feel close to them. Yeah. It was so interesting when Moon's father died a while ago, I bumped into her somewhere and we both burst into tears. I mean, I really felt like a little sister of mine had a loss. The starting point was, you know.
That moment.
That moment.
Yeah. To me, the thing about it that's useful is that it shows the useful purpose of a fiasco. That is, when social order breaks down, that can be a force not just for chaos and for entropy and for evil, but in fact, that could be a force for good. Right. It can bring people together.
Right. You know, it was actually this huge success to me. I'd never been sent out, you know, under these kind of circumstances before. And I remember we beat the local paper. The Herald Examiner followed us a week later. And so we had the first story, and it was sort of considered the definitive one because we had this glossary of terms that I had made or put together.
Valley-speak terms.
Valley-speak terms. And then it was syndicated.
And most of the quotable stuff that you ended up using in your story happened after squirting the coffee through your nose.
Exactly. It's a technique I don't suggest anyone try. For years afterwards, Moon would send me postcards. And on the postcard somewhere would be a picture of a nose and there would be liquid coming out of it. Sort of like my logo.
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