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Chapter 1: What are the main topics discussed in this episode?
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Victor how are you doing today I know you're on the east coast as everybody can see I'm in I'm not home I'm in Naples Florida and I'm in a hotel room and I'm at the Bradley Foundation meeting and I have to go to speak to a Scott Atlas event so I'm kind of I brought a carry-on on the plane and I am trying to get my computer it's on a pillow my microphone I brought kind of a
Ad hoc is what I'm saying today, but I hope it works.
It'll work just fine. No worries. So, Victor, just very quickly, we just recently had that jet turnover. I was wondering if you had any thoughts on the Toronto airliner that came in for a landing. We're having so many air crashes and air incidents, I guess I should say.
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Chapter 2: How is DOGE influencing current policies?
And then on the way back to take off here to where I flew into the Naples, it was very sunny. Um, there does seem to be a little tentativeness about everybody though, the air travel business in general. I just noticed that everybody's on edge and, um, Our planes circled once or twice the runway, and I don't know whether that was just to take extra caution. But it does seem that.
But Donald Trump has not removed air traffic controllers in the tower. That's another point that was falsely alleged by Chuck Schumer.
Yeah. OK, Victor, let's go on then to a lot that the Trump administration is doing. So Doge is out looking and its targets are the big things that Americans are worried about because they're sort of what do they call that? Entitlement programs rather than discretionary spending. And that's the Social Security Administration, the IRS. And
Elon Musk has come out to say that there are millions of people over the age of 100 that are receiving checks. The IRS seems to feel that there's going to be a bunch of layoffs this coming week and that the feds fired a large part of the, I think it was just federal employees last week, just to show a few of the things that The advice of Doge seems to be getting done.
And I was wondering your thoughts on Doge's progress so far with all this information.
For example, Mr. Bove, the Deputy Attorney General, was supposedly going after his enemies. See, that's what they're saying. They're going after enemies. But when you look at the people in the FBI hierarchy or the DOJ that are supposedly innocent and they're nonpartisan, they have a whole record of being punitive.
As far as Eric Adams goes, that was the contention point that the indictment against him was dropped by the FBI. Trump acting DOJ and Pam Bondi. And then the question arises, why was he indicted at the time he was indicted by the Biden DOJ? And the obvious answer was, is he bucked them in a loud fashion on dumping illegal immigrants into Manhattan. And he was no longer on the team.
He had been very, very adamant. Remember those film where he was film clips where he was welcoming illegal aliens with
bottled water and then he he saw that it was a multi-billion dollar boondoggle and when he saw that he was out and so they were the ones that were politicizing him i don't know if he's guilty or not of taking turkish money in exchange for quid pro quo favors but i do know that the biden administration would have not indicted him for that had he not fallen out of favor
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Chapter 3: What is the controversy surrounding Social Security and IRS actions?
And that's what they do. And then they say that they're professional and they're not worse. Yeah. So there's going to be two big things you have to be careful about. One is the Defense Department and one is the IRS and one is the. Social Security and Medicare, especially. They've got to go after people who have done things wrong and not just be punitive.
And they have to explain it, explain it, explain it, explain it. I think the press secretary, she's doing a very good job. My only suggestion to her would be. At certain times, I would throw back the question to these hostile reporters. What is the alternative? What is the alternative? We're running $2 trillion debts. Where do you want to see the...
We're already paying 38% income tax, and in many states it's 12 or 13, it's 50%. We've already said you cannot write off the SALT tax more than $10,000 a year. What do you want to do, all of you? Because you always say you want to cut waste and fraud, but you never do.
So tell me exactly what you want to do other than just raise taxes to 60 or 70 percent of a person's income and destroy the economy. She needs to do that.
And there is no alternative.
There is no alternative.
No.
If we just went back to the budget pre-COVID 2019 of six years ago, we'd be fine. We'd be fine.
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Chapter 4: How does Victor Davis Hanson view the U.S. strategy in Ukraine?
He doesn't know how many people he can have a great day at the pizza parlor and 100 people can come in. He can have two people. Two people. But he had to stay there for 10 hours. But one day he'll make $8 an hour. The next day he'll be $100. That is the uncertainty that most people have. And to just act as if you have a God-given birthright to these jobs.
And then most people who are on salary, they go into their office. And if they're late or they do something, the boss fires them. And there is no appeal. They're gone. Jamie Dimon, the head of, as we talked about, Morgan Chase Stanley. Is that what it was? Yes.
He gave a big rant about how angry he was about this, of these employees that were not coming in and had a sense of entitlement and how he was going to stop it. So my point is that a lot of these federal workers – can go back into the private sector.
And I think they will see what a great thing they had, but I'm not, I'm not, I don't get the idea that they have a lifetime tenure and it's, you know, not when so many people have such a tenuous day to day existence. I'm sorry, but I'm more worried about the people that have to pay their taxes.
Well, let's now then turn to Donald Trump, and he's done something extraordinary this week, earlier this week, and that is to hand the Ukraine a contract that agrees to American rights to resources in the Ukraine. to the tune of about 50%, if I'm understanding things right, which is a lot of Ukrainian resources and a lot of money. And Zelensky is, of course, shocked. And he's so shocked.
First off, he's not going to sign this contract. And second, he's refused to go to Saudi Arabia for the talks on peace with Russia.
Yeah. So Donald Trump wants some rare earth concessions. If I was Zelensky, I'd sign it because that would get a huge American company on the ground in Ukraine and it would give income to Ukraine and you would get other, if it was secure and there was peace, you'd get other foreign investment if a big American company was there. But it's not the key issue. The key issue is
that Zelensky has taken $200 million. He says he doesn't know where some of it is, but we think we've given him $200 in military and economic aid. And we don't have a strategy from the Biden administration. Nobody knows what the strategy is. I think I do know. It's something along the line.
We're going to give Zelensky enough money so he is not going to lose, but we're not going to give him enough munitions to kill. Because the war is unwinnable. Because Russia has four times the population, 10 times the GDP, 30 times the territory. But we're going to give him enough not to lose. And the strategy, and this is not my strategy, this is the Biden previous administration strategy.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of Trump's Ukraine contract?
Victor, let's go ahead and take a break and then come back and talk a little bit about Hamas and their hostage deals with Israel and the West. Stay with us and we'll be right back. Welcome back to the Victor Davis Hanson Show. Victor is on social media. His ex-account is at VD Hanson. So please come join him there or on Facebook at Hanson's Morning Hub. So Victor...
Speaking, I mean, you went into Obama and he had all sorts of red lines. Donald Trump put up a red line for Hamas to get the hostages back last Saturday, and they didn't manage to do that. So Trump's red line is failing. But I was wondering your thoughts. They have promised six hostages this Saturday.
As a general rule, I don't believe in red lines by anybody. And that was a thing on the hotel I'm in. Sorry about that. So when Obama gave a red line and said, if I see WMD moving around, he didn't do anything. Trump said that he was going to stop the war in the first day. You couldn't stop the war the first day. That was rhetorical excess.
When he said that by noon on Saturday, I knew what was going to happen. They were going to meter out some hostages to get by that deadline because they did believe that he was going to unleash the IDF or they were going to bomb or something. But in general, you shouldn't give any red lines unless you plan to meet them. And usually Donald Trump was pretty good.
When he said he was going to do something to Soleimani or Baghdadi, he did it. When he said he was going to bomb the SHIT out of ISIS, he did it. When he said he was going to corral Iran and maximum pressure, did it. So he's got to be very careful because the MAGA people, the MAGA agenda, they don't want to get into – on the ground in Gaza. They feel it's a hellhole. They can't stand Hamas.
They just want the Israelis to take care of it. And so what is he going to do to get the hostages? I mean, you can bomb the rubble more, right? Or you can send special forces to take out the Hamas, what's left of the Hamas leadership. But all they would be doing is asking the Israelis who they are. The Israelis know much better than we are. So basically you're saying to Netanyahu, do what you want.
And maybe he should. But then Netanyahu knows that he has restrictions. It's not Hamas. It's public opinion, the hostage family. And Hamas, why is Hamas metering them out? Because let's be honest, they have killed a lot of hostages. The ones that have survived have said they were beaten, tortured, starved.
It's kind of ironic to hear from the UN and all the leftists how starved the Palestinians are. And every time I see a picture of Hamas people or Palestinians in Gaza, they look pretty well fed. And when I look at the hostages, they look like Holocaust victims. The only people being starved were the hostages. But they don't have a lot of hostages. They've let some go.
I don't know what they say, 80 or something. I'm under the unfortunate impression that a lot of them are dead. So in their mind... you're going to do this for over a year. So you let out one, and then you just say, the Israelis did that. They broke this. They violated that. And that goes on like you're buying a rug from them. And then maybe in three months, they let another one out.
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Chapter 6: How does Victor Davis Hanson perceive the Western response to Putin?
If you go to an anti-abortion office and you say, how dare you take a woman's right away, you're not going to have anything done to you. That's exempt. So that's what we're talking about. And that's what J.D. Vance was talking about. I think a lot of people and by the way, the 60 Minutes clip that I saw, they were admiring what Germany was doing. They want to do it here, too.
And they have been doing it here. They remember the FBI. Everybody worked with Facebook.
They worked with Facebook and they worked with Twitter to make sure that none of us got the message three days before the last 2020 debate and about 12 days, 14 days before the election that Hunter's laptop and all of the incriminating references to the big guy, Mr. 10%, paying his utility bill, all of the cocaine use, all of the nudity, all of that,
We were supposed to think the Russians did that. And the FBI was insisting social media. Mark Zuckerberg testified to that effect. That's what they like. That's what they like. And they do not want a freewheeling, open society. And so that was what J.D. Vance was saying. He's saying how you people, you know, you keep saying that Russia, Russia, Russia.
Well, yeah, I don't like Russia either, but you're employing the same tactics and we can't get along with you. And defend the West when you're eroding it. And again, it's what he was doing. He was telling not just MAGA and not just those ministers, corrupt though they were, he was telling the people in the populist parties of Europe, you are on the right track. Secure borders.
legal only immigration, rearming, deregulate, detox, more personal freedom. And if you were to do that, we would be closer than ever because that's what we're trying to do. And the Biden nightmare that we lived through is now your ongoing nightmare. You haven't gotten rid of it. And that is what got them all so angry. But, uh, misinformation.
And the other thing about Germany, they've never had free speech. The Weimar Republic had restrictions. Anybody, if you were Hitler in 1932, three or 29, I shouldn't say 32, go back to 26, 27, 28, you couldn't speak. They went after you. And maybe that was good. Or maybe the idea that you were
outlawing Nazi speech made him into a martyr and made him neat to hear because it was so edgy and outlawed. And when Hitler took over, he did the same thing. He outlawed all speech, and they labeled with German terms that were equivalencies, disinformation, hate speech, Jew speech, all that stuff.
You'd be much better off just opening it all up and letting people say whatever crazy things and hoping there's enough of us in the marketplace of ideas to stop it, unless that somebody gets on and says, I want to kill that person, or I want to overthrow this government, and this is how I'm going to do it. But that's not what we're talking about.
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Chapter 7: What are Victor's thoughts on Hamas and the hostage situation?
get rid of the tunnels, and then it's right on the Mediterranean, and you make just an antiquity, you know, Gaza was one of the wealthiest cities in the Roman Empire, that whole area of the West Bank. Let us then... make a Dubai or something, international capital, and then we'll only let people back in who are non-terrorist. We will have border passport control.
We will give preference to Palestinians, but we will not let everybody back in who has a history of war. That was the idea. And, you know, Egypt and Jordan want no part of it because... They have restive populations in their own countries. And so now Egypt is massing tanks on the border in Sinai, kind of saying to Israel, maybe we'll replay this.
I don't know why anybody would take that credibly, because they're dependent on the goodwill of the United States. One of the things Trump did when they went after USAID was, I think, immediately put off limits so you can't touch it, the $2 billion or so we give Egypt. And we do a lot of other things in favor of Egypt. We give them intelligence, satellite intelligence. We back them up militarily.
So the idea they were going to attack Israel, they would fare worse. If you look at the militaries the last time they met in 73, Egypt has vis-a-vis Israel has become much weaker. Israel is much stronger. So that would be a one-day war. And they're not going to do anything but The bottom line is they don't want to get involved with it.
And I don't think the plan is going to work because it requires too much lift from the United States. I wish it would. I wish, you know, that you would rebuild this. And I think if you...
Ask a Palestinian living there today in the rubble, and you got the Hamas revolver away from his head, and you said you won't be identified, and you put a tent around him and said, what do you think, with a voice disguiser? He would say, you mean you're going to build a nice apartment and it's going to look like the Paris suburbs or Dubai? Yeah, count me in, but not publicly.
No, and Egypt could never help to make that happen.
It reminds me, the first time I went to Israel, they were demonstrating, as I said, along Sharon's Wall's trajectory, and Sharon came up with the idea that they were going to go around key areas of Jerusalem that they needed, and East Jerusalem, and include it in the Israeli—it was de facto Israeli, but to concede—
an approximate commiserate level of territory they were going to carve out from 67 Israel that no one had ever disputed after 47 to the Arabs. So when I was driving along, my driver, we drove all along this very long drive along the proposed final parts. I said, wow, these people are really angry at the Israelis. They stopped traffic and they're all demonstrating.
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Chapter 8: How does public perception affect international diplomacy?
They just roll down the window. And so he said something and he spoke Hebrew and somebody came over and said, yeah, we don't want to be on. We don't want to be with Arafat. We want to stay here and get it's peaceful. We have good schools. We get pensions. We have government jobs with Israeli government. But if you told somebody that on a campus today, they think you were crazy.
While all this is happening in Colombia, we're still starting to see some of these demonstrations. There was a park in, I don't know if it was at Queens or Bronx or someone, and violent pro-Hamas demonstrators went right into a traditional Orthodox Jewish community and started trying to provoke them, get in fights, etc., etc., etc., and
I think that's a very unwise idea if I were them because we have already established the principle in the United States that the United States government, when there's a demonstration that it doesn't like, like January 6th, that they take all their security cameras and then they do all of their voice photo reconnaissance or recognition, picture recognition, and they start indicting people
And they'll go through all of those violence. If they see anybody who is starting to provoke a fire to use violence, they will collate that individual's name with their visa status. And if they're not a U.S. citizen and they were committing a crime, then they're going to be deported. It seems obvious to me that that's what they're going to do, and that will create deterrence not to do that.
You don't do that when you're a guest in somebody else's country. It's fine to demonstrate, but not violently. Not violently. I led tours, and once we had a very good friend of mine, a wonderful person, that somebody ran up and said a policeman was talking to him.
in Germany by a cathedral and somebody had insulted his wife and he had scuffled, I think it was with a Palestinian protester in Germany. And so I walked over to talk to the police person. But my polite suggestion was that if you were in someone else's country, that you withstand the provocations and not reply in kind because you're a guest there. And that's always worked well for me.
And I've been, you know, in a lot of countries and I've lived almost three years abroad. And the cardinal rule is always the prime directive to use Star Trek terms. The prime directive is never, never attack the law enforcement or the laws of your host. Because if you don't like them, you can leave. And I lived under a Greek dictatorship.
The Papadopoulos regime and then the Ioannidis, and they were pretty awful. 73, 74, then the socialist PASOK that were pretty awful. So you don't ever criticize and say that you know better what your host should be doing. You just never do that. And by the way, mentioning Greece... A friend wrote me and pointed this out, and I looked at it. USAID had for years...
in Cyprus, in Greece, been trying to force down American cultural values through left-wing Greek and American fronts like LGBTQ and forcing the Greeks to accept, even though the Poles were very much against it, gay marriage, for example. And so some of you who are very angry and say that Trump should have no business with USAID.
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