The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Tue, 25 Mar 2025
Most people struggle to fall asleep fast — tossing and turning for hours. What if you could trick your body into deep sleep without popping pills? In this episode with Dr. Brian Mogen, we discuss this game-changer device! It’s called Hapbee — a wearable that beams compound signals like melatonin into your body. This isn’t just cool science — it’s practical. Imagine slipping on a necklace, hitting a sleep setting, and drifting off in minutes. Want better sleep without the downsides of meds? Check out Hapbee — it’s like biohacking your brain with a push of a button. HAPBEE - FEEL BETTER & PERFORM AT YOUR BEST: https://bit.ly/4a6glfo Join the Ultimate Human VIP community and gain exclusive access to Gary Brecka's proven wellness protocols today!: https://bit.ly/4ai0Xwg Connect with Brian Mogen: Website: https://bit.ly/4a6glfo YouTube: https://bit.ly/4hI3su3 Instagram: https://bit.ly/41ZuLu7 Facebook: https://bit.ly/41WHcXv TikTok: https://bit.ly/4hKhPhB X.com: https://bit.ly/4iTDgy9 LinkedIn:https://bit.ly/41YIUYq Thank you to our partners: H2TABS - USE CODE “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4hMNdgg BODYHEALTH - USE CODE “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF: http://bit.ly/4e5IjsV BAJA GOLD - USE CODE "ULTIMATE10" FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3WSBqUa EIGHT SLEEP - SAVE $350 ON THE POD 4 ULTRA WITH CODE “GARY”: https://bit.ly/3WkLd6E COLD LIFE - THE ULTIMATE HUMAN PLUNGE: https://bit.ly/4eULUKp WHOOP - GET 1 FREE MONTH WHEN YOU JOIN!: https://bit.ly/3VQ0nzW MASA CHIPS - GET 20% OFF YOUR FIRST $50+ ORDER: https://bit.ly/40LVY4y VANDY - USE CODE “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF: https://bit.ly/49Qr7WE PARKER PASTURES - PREMIUM GRASS-FED MEATS: https://bit.ly/4hHcbhc AION - USE CODE “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4h6KHAD CARAWAY - USE CODE “ULTIMATE” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3Q1VmkC HEALF - GET 10% OFF YOUR ORDER: https://bit.ly/41HJg6S BIOPTIMIZERS - USE CODE “ULTIMATE” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4inFfd7 RHO NUTRITION - USE CODE “ULTIMATE15” FOR 15% OFF: https://bit.ly/44fFza0 Watch the “Ultimate Human Podcast” every Tuesday & Thursday at 9AM EST: YouTube: https://bit.ly/3RPQYX8 Podcasts: https://bit.ly/3RQftU0 Connect with Gary Brecka: Instagram: https://bit.ly/3RPpnFs TikTok: https://bit.ly/4coJ8fo X.com: https://bit.ly/3Opc8tf Facebook: https://bit.ly/464VA1H LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/4hH7Ri2 Website: https://bit.ly/4eLDbdU Merch: https://bit.ly/4aBpOM1 Newsletter: https://bit.ly/47ejrws Ask Gary: https://bit.ly/3PEAJuG Timestamps: 00:00 Intro of Show 00:53 Dr. Brian Mogen’s Background 01:56 Novel Applications for New Implants in the Spinal Cords 03:44 Science Behind Hapbee Technologies 21:51 Recording the Molecular-Level Energy 24:15 Developing the Technology into Consumer Products 34:40 Sleep as the Core in their User Base 38:00 Improving Sleep Quality with the Hapbee Devices 41:04 Visual Design of the Devices 43:53 Compounds Utilised in the Technology 50:00 Making an Impact with the Hapbee Technology (on Sleep, Mood, Performance) 54:48 Award Received for being the Most Effective Tool for Suicide Prevention 59:38 Advancement of the Base Research 1:02:06 Bio-Stacking Definition and Practices 1:10:10 Connect with Dr. Brian Mogen and Hapbee 1:11:40 Final Question: “What does it mean to you to be an Ultimate Human?” The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka Podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing or other professional health care services, including the giving of medical advice, and no doctor/patient relationship is formed. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast is at the user’s own risk. The Content of this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their health care professionals for any such conditions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is Hapbee and how does it work?
Chemotherapy is really awful for people to experience, especially for brain cancer, because you need to take such high doses that it can get through the blood brain barrier. Well, here's a technology that can pass through the blood brain barrier.
It seems to me too, the applications are so vast, especially for addiction, for example. Have you looked at any implications for addictions like smoking, vaping?
We're starting to look into veterans health being integrated as part of their treatment plan of not being able to sleep or struggling with alcohol or other addictive problems.
In terms of the sleep realm, there's people that struggle with sleep. Talk about some of the compounds that you have for sleep and what you're seeing in the community that's using these so far.
There's kind of two areas that we've really seen improvement in and surprisingly one.
Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm your host, human biologist, Gary Brekka, where we go down the road of everything anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. And today's guest is a fascinating guest. You know, when I was... Using his technology, my wife and I have been using it for quite some time. My staff has been using it for quite some time.
You might have seen it on my Instagram. I really wanted to go down the rabbit hole of the science. And so I contacted the company and they said, we'll bring the scientists in, we'll fly them in, put them on your podcast so you can ask them whatever questions you want about the origin of this technology, which I think you're going to find fascinating. But...
First of all, welcome to the podcast, Dr. Brian Mogan. Thank you so much for having me. I forgot to even introduce you. But you're a distinguished biomedical engineer with a strong foundation in neural engineering and biomedical sciences. What I found fascinating when I was digging into your background was that you earned your PhD in brain-computer interfaces from the University of Washington.
This is the first time I've ever... I didn't even know that was a thing. No offense. There aren't that many of us. There's not that many of you. And you focused on translational neuroscience, microfluidics, and electronics hardware contributing to advancements in neural implants and brain-computer interface technologies.
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Chapter 2: Can Hapbee technology help with sleep and addiction?
So, I mean, before we talk about the stuff that really freaks me out, I mean, let's talk a little bit about the implications for something like that in spinal cord injuries, which is where a lot of your research was focused, right?
Yeah, it was on applied or novel applications for new implants in the spinal cord and implants. I think the big takeaway that a lot of people miss there is the vast, vast majority of spinal cord implants aren't a full transection. There aren't that many people that get a full cut through their spinal cord. There's a lot of residual function.
So we were looking at approaches for how can you harness and retrain and use neuroplasticity approaches that work in the brain and in neurons in a dish. How can you take that into spinal cord stimulation to strengthen?
So, you know, in the spinal cord, I think of it like thousands, literally millions of tiny, tiny, tiny little hairs kind of all bound together and they're sending information, you know, back and forth to the brain. Some of it's motor, some of it's coordination, some of it's sensory.
But you're saying that there's some of these pathways, let's say, that could get damaged that deal with motor activity and... And you could use a sensory pathway to maybe send motor information?
Or even the motor pathway doesn't get damaged 100%. It gets damaged 25%, and that's enough to affect the way you can walk or the way you can use your hands. And you can take the remaining 70%, and people are doing spinal cord stem cell implants to try and regenerate and improve that. But our thinking was, can you also use electrical stimulation to just retrain
what is still functional and take that and enhance the functionality kind of is this kind of the just by way of background you know my personal story with his technology is really fascinating so I'll just throw it out there I was in Dubai several months ago on an unrelated trip and
one of the sheikhs of Bahrain, Sheikh Nasser, contacted me and said, hey, there's a group over there that happens to be in Dubai right now that I want you to meet with. And there's this really interesting technology that I've been looking at. I'd love for them to come to your hotel while you're in Dubai.
And if the Sheikh of Bahrain calls you and asks you to take a meeting, you kind of take the meeting. He's an amazing guy, by the way. And Sheik Nasser, if you're listening, shout out to you, brother. He's a two-time world champion in this incredibly difficult distance horse race. His family is an amazing family. He's crazy about human performance.
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Chapter 3: How did Dr. Brian Mogen's background contribute to Hapbee?
Yeah, I had been following the technology for a little while because it was on, you know, when you look at PMF, when you look at transcranial magnetic stimulation, when you look at TACS, there's electrical stimulation. There's all these modalities. And here's one that, while it is also magnetic, is very unique. Most of these technologies, right, are fairly single-use.
When you think of a device for a specific purpose, it's a vagal nerve stimulator for X. There's a protocol for X. If it's on your neck, it's for X. If it's in your ear, it's for Y. If it's mediated through your median nerve on your wrist, it's for Z. But this is a technology platform that... can be multifunctional, right? The same piece of hardware can be used for multiple different use cases.
Wow.
So now someone's in the lab, they have some alcohol, they record the, well, I keep saying electrocardiogram,
smog for lack of better words they record this cloud this field that is the the way that the molecule of alcohol is resonating and then they take that recording and then they they return that that uh recording back into the body and the person is under the influence of alcohol or feels like they're under the influence of alcohol and when they turn it off they're no longer under the influence
Because I've actually heard of you guys having parties with these things where you put them over everybody's head and everybody gets a little dose of alcohol and everybody's kind of social and buzzing around. And then when it's time to go, you shut it off and give everyone a little caffeine and out the door they go and you're bone sober and your blood alcohol level zero or near zero. And...
You're not under the influence of anything.
Yeah, we did a pop-up activation actually earlier this year. We ran the world's first completely non-alcoholic bar in Dublin, Ireland. Literally people came in and you put this necklace over their head? I can see the Irish going, fuck that, mate. And our hypothesis was if we can convince them that they're enjoying the sensations, a group of people with a very specific view on...
how you're supposed to imbibe if we could get imbibe you're not very popular over there they take their beer very seriously in ireland if we could convince them yeah that the experience of using happy alongside uh you know traditional na beverages was was enjoyable you know we felt very confident we can convince anybody so how did that go did you actually have it at a pub Oh, yeah.
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