Dr. Brian Mogen
Appearances
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Chemotherapy is really awful for people to experience, especially for brain cancer, because you need to take such high doses that it can get through the blood brain barrier. Well, here's a technology that can pass through the blood brain barrier.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
And I think an important distinction is we're not looking at like a specific frequency. It's not melatonin is five Hertz and CBD is 10 Hertz or 200. It's, Each of them is a very complex waveform. You're not listening to a single tone in these recordings.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
It's an entire symphony that's capturing parts of all of that movement and exactly what parts of the molecule the recordings are, we don't actually know yet. But you're getting unique, very complex recordings. that are unique to each compound.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Yes, every time you record melatonin, it's the same fuzzy noise, but it's different from the CBD fuzzy noise. Wow. It's not quite as clean as the nice sine waves you see in neural entrainment products or the model you have. It would be nice if it was that way, but it's not.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
So step one was really just being able to record and see in the signal processing world that you're getting different recordings in this machine from different compounds. Yeah. That's... That was a nice little scientific jump. Yeah, I mean, that's massive. And then the next piece was, well, what happens if you can build a correctly shaped antenna that can replay that recording?
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
And again, think inputs and outputs. We can record the compound, but what happens when we...
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
projected to transmit it yes and and for a large class of of molecules non-covalent uh interactions if you think back to high school biology that that ball and stick model the receptor and ligand the the lock and key when they go in together and interact and something happens when these non-covalent interactions the lock and the key never actually touch they just trade electrons in the right pattern and if we've now got this recording
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
of a compound that we know from traditional cellular biology methods is a non-covalent interaction usually. What happens if we replay that field over biology? Does it respond as if the drug were there? So that was the second piece was, okay, now that we're projecting these with a correctly shaped, sized, right amplitude, covering the right biology field,
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
can you start seeing biological outcomes and effects?
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Yeah, and these recordings are being done very close to the noise floor on the signal processing side of what we're doing. There's all sorts of techniques to try and clean up these very messy recordings to make them better and better.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Yeah, and actually the building the hardware and the product I'm wearing right now, we have two products we've built around this for actually being able to transmit these products. The physics of the...
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
transmission are much easier than the physics of the recording oh wow yeah there's a basically all all of our products are engineered to have an antenna that creates the right shape uh and the right amplitude uh so your speaker analogy earlier was, was kind of close on the, the volume is an important factor.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
It's gotta be within a fairly narrow range, but also the shape of the field where the volume is correct. Yeah. Is also important. So just kind of, building out the electronics around creating the right size fields in the right places so that they cover the relevant parts of your body while you're using them.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
It's, I think the key point there, that is a wild thing to say a little bit, but also remember, we know in these non-covalent interactions, the lock and the key don't actually touch. Yeah. Right? They just trade electrons in the right pattern to trade some information. And then that exerts. And move, and that, that is what unlocks the receptor, it changes the conformation, and
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
The vast majority of the interactions in our body, unless we're looking at metabolizing something and physically breaking a bond to make energy, are non-covalent. Most of our signal pathways are non-covalent interactions.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Wow.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Some people have actually already done this.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Yeah, there are human beings with those implants right now, and I spent a long time, almost eight years, studying all the different ways that you could record brain activity, decode it, signal process it, and turn it into action for electrical stimulation for either changing the way the brain was wired to itself or controlling how your hands and arms move through stimulating your spinal cord.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Yeah, and I think there are a couple of points you made that are worth touching on. And in the evolution of the technology, we've seen this also, right? Like the field is wide open in terms of going through all of the possible ways of showing replicating every single – like we're just starting out on that journey. We haven't been around that long.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
There are multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical companies that – are working on every mechanism of every drug known to man. And we've had to take a very limited subset so that we can kind of get to market and bring people this, bring the technology.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
yeah so uh first i i wasn't around for for all of that i got brought in uh basically at the start of the let's let's turn it into consumer products so uh the origin of the technology really went from we can record these things in uh in the lab uh okay we are starting to see biological effects. What would be a really good candidate for proving the technology out first and foremost?
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
And the road that that group of scientists went down was chemotherapy is really awful for people to experience, especially for brain cancer, because you need to take such high doses that it can get through the blood brain barrier. Well, here's a technology that in theory we can,
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
pass right through the blood brain barrier without you having to take high doses and it's controllable and it's localized and the cellular mechanisms for how those drugs work are fairly well understood. Can we step through
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Recreating the effects of a brain cancer drug and go to market that way Wow and in the consumer space, so there's a big body of Academic research on on that those set of specific pathways right and then The story, as it was told to me, was one night while they had the machine, it's a very expensive process to cool the machine down and keep it cool. It's not always going.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
So you do recordings in batches. But somebody had brought in some alcohol. So somebody went rogue and decided, well, what if the machine's already on? What if we just... I just happen to have some whiskey. What if we just record it? Yeah. So they recorded the alcohol.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
So they recorded, recorded, and then, you know, a couple weeks later after the processing, somebody decided, well, we don't really know what's going to happen, but can we just give it a try? Yeah, play the freak movie. Go rogue again and give it a try. Yeah. And it didn't take very long for those guys to realize that, oh, no, I... I feel, a couple of drinks in, five minutes in.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
This is definitely an alternative to what people are doing right now. That was about the time I had been finishing my PhD. I was doing another startup earlier on in the physical therapy rehab space. I got a call one day saying, hey, I think we're going to try and spin this out into a consumer product.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
You know, electronics, you know, a little bit of software, you know, you know, recording stimulation, closed loop technology. You want to you want to come do this? Yeah. Were you, like, fascinated by it?
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Yeah, I had been following the technology for a little while because it was on, you know, when you look at PMF, when you look at transcranial magnetic stimulation, when you look at TACS, there's electrical stimulation. There's all these modalities. And here's one that, while it is also magnetic, is very unique. Most of these technologies, right, are fairly single-use.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Yeah, it was on applied or novel applications for new implants in the spinal cord and implants. I think the big takeaway that a lot of people miss there is the vast, vast majority of spinal cord implants aren't a full transection. There aren't that many people that get a full cut through their spinal cord. There's a lot of residual function.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
When you think of a device for a specific purpose, it's a vagal nerve stimulator for X. There's a protocol for X. If it's on your neck, it's for X. If it's in your ear, it's for Y. If it's mediated through your median nerve on your wrist, it's for Z. But this is a technology platform that... can be multifunctional, right? The same piece of hardware can be used for multiple different use cases.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Wow.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Yeah, we did a pop-up activation actually earlier this year. We ran the world's first completely non-alcoholic bar in Dublin, Ireland. Literally people came in and you put this necklace over their head? I can see the Irish going, fuck that, mate. And our hypothesis was if we can convince them that they're enjoying the sensations, a group of people with a very specific view on...
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
how you're supposed to imbibe if we could get imbibe you're not very popular over there they take their beer very seriously in ireland if we could convince them yeah that the experience of using happy alongside uh you know traditional na beverages was was enjoyable you know we felt very confident we can convince anybody so how did that go did you actually have it at a pub Oh, yeah.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
We took over on the south side of Dublin an NA bar for about 60 days. Yeah.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Yeah, it was already a pub that had a strong NA.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Yeah, mate, I want to participate in that one. There were certainly people that walked in the door that were very confused.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Yeah, we did questionnaires before and after, and then just general, did you? What did you feel? Describe it. Did you feel something? How confident were you? And also, did you enjoy the experience also?
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
So we were looking at approaches for how can you harness and retrain and use neuroplasticity approaches that work in the brain and in neurons in a dish. How can you take that into spinal cord stimulation to strengthen?
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Technology without an application isn't a really great technology.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
We're starting to look into veterans health being integrated as part of their treatment plan of not being able to sleep or struggling with alcohol or other addictive problems.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Thank you. Thank you.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Thank you. Thank you.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Or even the motor pathway doesn't get damaged 100%. It gets damaged 25%, and that's enough to affect the way you can walk or the way you can use your hands. And you can take the remaining 70%, and people are doing spinal cord stem cell implants to try and regenerate and improve that. But our thinking was, can you also use electrical stimulation to just retrain
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. actually use the product today uh and and kind of go from there so that's why we've got a wearable we've got a slide in your pillow or under your pillow sleep pad and like the piece from there next is what are the the tools now that you can control this digitally by delivery but also digitally by
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
all of the factors that you have available to you as part of building a healthy digital habit on your phone, right? You can choose when to use compounds. You can build schedules. You can like, how do we tie this into everyday life and behavior? And we've started with just giving people free reign control of push play and go.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
And for me, the future is really coming back to what are the pieces of closing this loop? There are a lot of, especially in the biohacking space, there are a lot of measurement. There's a lot of inputs. We've got the difference of wrist-mounted wearables and finger-mounted wearables and chest straps and respiration. There are a lot of things we can measure
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
There are a lot fewer things that are outputs and closing the loop. I see Happy very much as playing nice with all of these different output and input technologies. How do we take your sleep data and not only tell you what's... wrong, right? There's a lot of interpretation of wearable data now, but there's not a lot of actionable output.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
So on the sleep side, melatonin, anadenosine, CBD, THC, alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, and theobromine, the caffeine analog that's in chocolate. Okay.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Yeah, just because of the way we think the product works. We would expect there to be a little bit of desensitization over long-term use and time.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
And as soon as you take it up, like this is the perfume you can take off.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
I think we're going to continue to see it jumping through sleep on the, on the consumer side. Oh man, my audience is like really, really interested now. Sleep is the one where it's easy for somebody to use the product for 30 days, line up your usage against your sleep latency score or your overall sleep score, uh, and, and prove to yourself that it's working and it's working for me. Um,
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Broadly speaking, we're also seeing a bunch of applications. Our content is loosely bucketed around sleep, mood, and performance.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Yeah.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
So in sleep, it's melatonin and adenosine.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
or you can set it so that it turns off while you're asleep. Oh, so it actually gets you into sleep and then it's in the sleep and you can, can build out the content structure so that you have full control over when and when and where things are broadcast.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
And we have seen in the user base so far, right, like people like me and my own personal example.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
I drink way too much coffee in the morning, and the caffeine signal is not particularly notable to me because I have a higher caffeine tolerance than myself. we would expect and do continue to see personal tolerances and responses varying just like the source compounds would.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Yeah, we're starting to look into that area more. Where we've seen on the mood side has actually been in veterans' health. And we've done a bunch of work with a veterans' reintegration group just up the street in Florida here on using Happy as an on-demand tool when... folks who are struggling with reintegration coming back in can turn to a modality to turn on or off a sensation.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Yeah, and provide for compounds not in our library, an alternative for people to turn to when times are tough. We received an award for being the most effective tool for suicide prevention from this group that works with very at-risk veterans. The Gray team coming through on being integrated as part of their treatment plan of folks who need a tool to turn to because they're not sleeping.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
And it wasn't that it was one specific. For each person, it was individual. Their problems were coming from not being able to sleep or struggling with alcohol or other addictive problems and being a tool in the toolkit that you could turn to on demand and over a guided path. period of time during reintegration give them the power to really help those folks.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Yeah, and I firmly believe sleep will continue to be the starting point for most people. What we're seeing uptake more on the performance side is actually coming in professional athletes.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Yeah, and this is something I wouldn't have guessed at the start of the company coming in, but a lot of the professional athlete use of the product, whether it's NBA players, whether it's Premier League soccer teams, whether it's NHL teams, has been around pre-match warm-up and education. These guys that...
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
are either very nervous before games and need to relax or folks who are too hyped up or are not hyped up enough and need a boost early on. So on the sports performance side of kind of our...
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
professional athlete uptake it's been around uh pre-game management uh and then also sleep and travel on you know guys taking five flights a week to go play trust me i know how that is like the wild sleep schedules in the professional sports worlds um
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
So between that and then the third piece we'll see is during film review, sit down, focus, put on nicotine, make it through 30 minutes of film study, make it through reading a playbook, make it through listening to the coaching report before moving on. So.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
that there's there's certainly frequency oh yeah a world there we've we've done kind of pilots in in two places actually a dentist's office uh for folks who have significant anxiety in the in the waiting room uh and then also uh with this veterans group folks that have so much physical pain they can't come they can't come in to do a workup session without getting that
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
treated and addressed early on and being able to do CBD delivery for them before they start the rest of their protocol has been the starting point of that in our journey.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Yeah, so on our side, there's been kind of two pieces. One is core technology on the recordings of the drug, the advancement of the base research. And then the other side is the applied science of animal pain studies, animal...
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
And in our case, that compound is CBD and the CB2 receptor pathway that's mostly in your spinal column.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
That's exactly right. Yeah. So there's the basically just go through the recording process, go through some animal validation work, maybe some cellular validation work, and then bring it onto the platform.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Yeah, I think predominantly what we see is people will start either with the sleep pad for sleep only, and then they'll realize that, oh, I can expand use with a wearable during the day. Or we'll see... people who come onto the neck band start using it for sleep and expand to be two product users.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
There's kind of two areas that we've really seen improvement in and surprisingly one.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
I felt it right away. It was before we were even on camera, I think.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Yeah, and what we've seen from everything from small molecules to short-interfering RNA to big molecules, still microscopic, but relatively large. These recordings are very unique, compound by compound. So in theory, yeah, we should be able to do a whole bunch of this stuff.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
On using the Happiest platform, absolutely there is. So you have to play with it a little bit. You have to play with it a little bit and we'll see customer onboarding. This is where people say, I'm... very sensitive to caffeine. And people will turn it on and have an unpleasant experience. 15-ish, I forget the exact number, but a significant percent of people are aversive to caffeine.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Biologically aversive to caffeine.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
You're not going to get it from me.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
And there will be similar biological profiling on receptor availability. Like we would expect there to still be personalized responses.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Or something else. Yeah, it's very much a personalized output.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Yeah, I mean, I think... at least we certainly like the, the reason for bringing it out into the consumer space, as opposed to just keeping it medical only was very much like how quickly can we affect everybody's lives? This is, this isn't something to be held back.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Yeah. No, it's just developed and iterated from... They're like, yeah, we're looking for submarines.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Yeah, I think the easiest place to keep track of us is just our website, happy.com. H-A-P-B-E.com. Yeah, it's always a tough one to tell the people.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
this would be the most appropriate yeah i think uh what we've really seen is if you're having trouble falling asleep in those first early stages like that's the most clear grab a sleep pad flip it onto melatonin adenosine and knock yourself out like literally knock yourself out um
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
be improving right whether that's a small change or a big change and and the other is agency being able to do it in the way that you want to do it and You know, when you combine those two things, whether it's being better to try and live healthy for longer, whether it's to try and be smarter or do better at work. Like those two principles, I feel, generally cover all aspects of of life.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Well, thank you very much for having me.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
places where it has application so yeah i think that's a great transition because a lot of my you know before this job research the startup also is i was thinking a lot in terms of inputs and outputs you can read the brain activity decode it and then stimulate the sensory output or the motor output and i think we can carry that concept through to what happy is doing now
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
And that's what this device is called. It's called a HAPB, H-A-P-B-E. H-A-P-B-E-E, HAPI Technologies. Yeah, so we've been around a few years, but the technology itself actually has come through several stages of development and tends almost $80 million in funding over decades.
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151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
15 years of development in a few different stages Wow in this start in spinal cord injury Yeah, totally totally unrelated. Yeah, the technology itself and and I'm one of the co-founders of the happy Building consumer facing neckband where I'm not one of the original Inventors 15 years ago. I wasn't that old. Okay, I
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Yeah, you look pretty young I'm not gonna do the math on yeah, that was 15 years ago but yeah, there was a a group In the US Navy decision in California that was using this new technology called squid magnetometry superconducting quantum
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Inferometry devices basically a way of measuring the smallest magnetic fields that we can measure inside of Just in general you take a set of electronics You have to get liquid helium and cool the sensors down to absolute zero so you can record the tiniest little movement It's a quantum sensing device and they had built these arrays that they were using to try and sense military targets
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151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
moving around in the Pacific Ocean, like really shielded nuclear subs, battleships, thousands and thousands of miles away.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
you probably know where all of our enemy subs are off of our coast even if the enemy thinks that they're shielded from us is this got the kind of technology yeah it was it was technology in that realm of trying to detect the tiny magnetic fields you give off a magnetic field is created every time an electron moves so as even you know these these fields are very tiny uh they're always present there's not a lot of shielding you can can do from that and
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
The core technology itself was being applied in a military application and kind of this splinter group of research scientists in that group said, well, we're looking for really big things really far away. What if we rebuilt the machine slightly and instead looked for really tiny things really close up? We know that the electron cloud of drugs is fairly consistent.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
If you think of a drug molecule moving, your high school biology ball and stick model is pretty rigid. But in actuality, it's a jiggling, twisting, flexing molecule. cloud of electrons moving.
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151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Yeah, in the history of Happy, there have been kind of two big scientific, I would say, inflection points. So the first breakthrough being, okay, we've rebuilt this recording machine in the lab. It's really fancy. It can detect some of the smallest magnetic fields ever recorded. What happens if we put... a drug or a compound or a molecule in a biological saline. Melatonin.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
151. Dr. Brian Mogen: CTO of Hapbee Discusses the Science of Biohacking Sleep
Put it in a life-like situation and apply a voltage and line them all up. So basically you can line up all the molecules in solution at a certain concentration and then record...