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20VC: Affirm Max Levchin on Why Grading Talent by Letter (A or B) is Total BS | How to Create a Culture of Post Mortems and Writing | Why You Should Only Study Failure Not Success & The Biggest Surprises Scaling to $18.7BN Market Cap

Wed, 05 Feb 2025

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Max Levchin is one of the great founders and technologists of our time. As the Founder and CEO of Affirm, he has built am $18.7BN monster in the buy no pay later space. Prior to Affirm he was one of the original co-founders of PayPal. Max is also the co-founder and Chairman of Glow, a data-driven fertility company. Max is also an immensely successful angel investor with a portfolio including the likes of Yelp, Pinterest and Evernote.  In Today’s Episode We Discuss: 04:19 How to Hire the Best People in the World 05:05 How to Manage Extreme Personalities 08:18 Biggest Lessons on Trust and What Happens When Lost 12:05 Is Grading Talent A and B Players Total BS? 15:31 How to Think About Calculated vs Uncalculated Risk 27:18 How to Create a Culture of Post Mortems: Step by Step 32:08 Why Every Person Must Write and How to Create a Writing Culture 36:01 Leadership Lessons from Layoffs 38:38 Is Affirm Losing or Beating Klarna in the US? 47:03 Peter Thiel or Elon Musk: Who Would Max Rather Start a New Company With? 48:37 Quickfire Round  

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0.049 - 15.907 Max Levchin

I think Opinionated is exceptionally valuable. The hard red line for me is always, once I can't trust you. The story about knowing the letter grade of every person you hire in your company, whether it's 2000 people like a firm, but that's just silly.

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16.147 - 35.781 Harry Stebbings

This is 20VC with me, Harry Stebbings, and today we have an incredible guest. Simply put, Max Levchin is one of the great technologists of our time. As the founder and CEO of Affirm, today he's built an $18.7 billion monster in the buy now, pay later space. Prior to Affirm, he was one of the original co-founders of PayPal.

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36.062 - 44.048 Harry Stebbings

Max is also the co-founder and chairman of Glow, a data-driven fertility company. He's also an extremely successful angel, with a portfolio including the

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46.169 - 69.232 Harry Stebbings

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69.332 - 89.792 Harry Stebbings

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90.212 - 110.392 Harry Stebbings

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110.592 - 127.932 Harry Stebbings

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128.112 - 150.841 Harry Stebbings

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151.081 - 171.933 Harry Stebbings

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