The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 9: The Science of Intuition: Consciousness, Intention, and the Edge of Reality
Sun, 11 May 2025
What if your body could sense the future—or your thoughts could subtly shape the world around you? In this episode, Ky sits down with inventor and consciousness researcher Adam Curry to explore the science behind Psi phenomena. They dig into wild but well documented experiments and discuss how intention and belief might actually influence physical systems, like random number generators and even a color-shifting “mind lamp.” Adam also shares how his app Entangled is using quantum data and global participation to study collective intuition—and how AI might help us understand, not replicate, consciousness. This conversation is a fascinating look at the strange, powerful possibilities of the human mind. Thank you to our wonderful sponsors for sponsoring this episode. Visit liquidiv.com and use code TAPES at checkout to get 20% off your first order of Liquid I.V. Visit AncientNutrition.com/TELEPATHY to get 25% off your first order. Visit Quince.com/tapes for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. Visit HelloFresh.com/TAPES10FM now to get 10 Free Meals with a Free Item For Life. Visit Graza.co and use DOCKET to get 10% off of the TRIO. Get 15% off OneSkin with the code TAPES at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: Who are the hosts and guests on this episode?
Hi, everyone. I'm Kai Dickens, and I'm thrilled to welcome you to the Talk Trax. In this series, we dive deeper into the revelations, challenges, and unexpected truths from the telepathy tapes. The goal is to explore all the threads that weave together our understanding of reality, science, spirituality, and yes, even unexplained things like psi abilities.
If you haven't yet listened to season one of the Telepathy Tapes, I encourage you to start there. It lays the foundation for everything we'll be exploring in this journey. We'll feature conversations with groundbreaking researchers, thinkers, non-speakers, and experiencers who illuminate the extraordinary connections that may defy explanation today, but won't for long.
In this episode of The Talk Tracks, I sit down with Adam Curry, an inventor, researcher, and all-around deep thinker who spent years exploring the edges of human consciousness and psi phenomena.
We talk about wild but well-documented experiments showing how our bodies might sense the future before it happens and how AI could actually help us understand what consciousness really is rather than becoming conscious itself. It's a fascinating, mind-bending chat that might just change the way you see reality.
Well, Adam, why don't you start by introducing yourself and how did you, you know, what are you doing in this space right now that might be of interest to people?
I'm Adam Curry. I'm something like an inventor, something like an armchair scientist, something like a science consciousness researcher. And I've been involved in exploring particularly psychokinesis, telepathy, and so forth for about 20 years. My current focus is a project called Entangled, which you can think of as a kind of way to advance or democratize psi research.
And also thinking about the applications of or the implications of Psy to artificial intelligence and some of the deep questions surrounding AI systems.
Wonderful. And, you know, it's always interesting to find out how people got into the field of Psy research. Was there an event or a moment in your life that made all of this seem possible and interesting to you?
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Chapter 2: How did Adam Curry get started in psi research?
When I was 15, I needed a job, and I ended up going to a bookstore, and I saw this book kind of pulled out of the section of books, and it was Superlearning by, I think, Sheila Ostrander and Nancy Schroeder. And I thought this book was cool. It was all about how to accelerate your learning. So I read this book and I looked at what else the authors had written.
And I saw that in the late 70s, they had written a book called Psychic Discoveries from Behind the Iron Curtain. So these were two journalists that were, you know, kind of doing what you're doing, but a long, long time ago in the Psy research stuff. And so I read that and learned about remote viewing and this whole Psy research program, which, of course, was really cool.
A few weeks later, I met a friend's dad and he started bringing up remote viewing to me. And I said, I know about that. I just read this book about it. And he said, great. How about you come work for me this summer? Your job will be A, to learn and teach yourself to code and manage my website and to learn remote viewing. And you can be like my personal remote viewer.
I started going to scientific conferences that were composed of people, you know, sort of professional academics and others who are interested in the science of anomalous things. So telepathy and that whole world of unexplained things.
And was blown away because I found that there were remarkable people from very prestigious universities who had basically hit upon a treasure trove of exciting things. And so that kind of gave me purpose.
What a great story. I love it because it's really like your curiosity led you down this path from a single book. And I want to come back to the story. We'll come back to you in a second. But you brought up the research that's been ignored or kind of dismissed or not even looked at that is pretty... conclusive or at least exciting.
Are there any studies that have struck you that you've come across where you think, good grief, I wish everyone in the world could see this? Or how is this not more out there? Or maybe it didn't even get published and you think that's a shame that you'd want to share
I'll tell you about one class of experiments that is particularly exciting to me right now. So these are a class of experiments that you could call pre-sentiment studies or pre-cognition studies. And these have been done for about the last 20 years, and it goes something like this.
If you're a Psychology 101 student, one of the experiments that you often will do is looking at galvanic skin response or subconscious reactions that are measurable to stimuli. So you would attach some kind of measurement device to a subject's finger, and then you would randomly show images, some of which are meant to be scary or provocative.
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Chapter 3: What are pre-sentiment or precognition studies and their significance?
How would you define consciousness, Adam?
I appreciate the easy questions. So consciousness to me, it means different things to different people. To myself, I think of it as the nature of the first person perspective. So for example, there is something called what it's like to be Adam. I'm having an experience of being me. I have intentions. I have emotions. I can see colors. I have different tastes and senses.
And that whole subjective world is my consciousness. And there's also something called what it's like to be Kai. So what that is and where it comes from is the big question. So to me, what is consciousness is to answer that, you have to answer those two questions. What is it and where does it come from?
There's a category of experiments with random number generators that I think can help people understand the mystery of consciousness. In this experiment you have a physical random number generator and this machine is producing a random string of ones and zeros. You collect enough of this and you see that sure enough there's a 50-50 distribution of ones and zeros.
Usually these are interpretations of something intrinsically random like quantum events. And then you ask a participant to attempt to influence the output of that random number generator in one direction or another using only their intention. So they might pick more ones or they might pick more zeros. And then you collect the output of that.
And at the end of the trial, you see statistically what happened. Was there more ones or more zeros? Well, You can do this many times, as many labs have, and you find that there is an anomalous relationship between the intention of the operator and the output of the random number generator.
So most famously, this experiment was done at the Princeton Pair Lab by the then dean of the engineering school, Robert John. That project led to something called the Global Consciousness Project, which was this idea of spreading random number generators around the world to see if they could measure something like global consciousness.
And this experiment is interesting to me because it gets to the heart of what consciousness is, meaning we don't know, but it's doing things that's telling us something about it ontologically. If consciousness was just an illusion produced by the brain, Why does it have this apparent influence relationship with something outside of the brain?
How in the world could it affect something outside of the body? Okay, well then, if it is affecting something outside of the body, maybe consciousness is, like many people are starting to suspect, something more intrinsic to the fabric of the physical universe.
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Chapter 4: How is consciousness defined and explored by Adam Curry?
So these are the types of far-out, slightly ridiculous experiments that I'm interested in doing, but... You know, that characterizes any kind of moonshot project.
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Chapter 5: What are random number generator experiments and what do they reveal about consciousness?
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So what have you learned working with scientists like Dean Radin and Robert John around the relationship between consciousness and physical reality?
Well, the one thing I've learned about the relationship between consciousness and physical reality is that it's not so easily reducible. We're kind of coming out of this morass of reality. materialism, this sort of metaphysical framework that says that the only things that exist are physical things.
And if a phenomenon is not currently explicable in terms of known physical things, then it's not real, it's an illusion. That's almost certainly false. It's even kind of false just logically. If it's an illusion, what's experiencing the illusion? So it implies the existence of the thing that it's trying to argue against. The world has really come around to that in the last 10 years.
There's kind of a springtime happening in the world of consciousness right now, led by philosophy departments in universities around the world. There's dozens of theories on the nature of consciousness. The ones that seem to be sticking around are something like consciousness is somehow fundamental and biology is involved in some sort of dialogue with it.
Biology might not be producing it, but it is decoding it somehow. It's maybe allowing it to shine through. A classic metaphor is something like a television set. If you're only looking at the screen of the TV, you think that the programming is being produced by the pixels on the TV, but the information's coming from invisible TV signals in the sky.
I think there's a couple of very good theories that are emerging, too. Hameroff and Penrose's ORCO-R is looking very interesting.
And both of that theory.
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Chapter 6: How can collective consciousness and the app Entangled be used to predict future events?
You have to go down a level or two deeper than intention into the realm of the subconscious mind. And what I mean by subconscious is the part of our psyche that exists and is operating things, but of which we're not or very rarely aware. consciously. And it's a bit of a hand-waving on my part because we don't really know what the subconscious is.
I personally believe that it is the subconscious that is connected somehow to the fabric of physical reality. In other words, it is somehow in the domain of the subconscious through which the information processing of psi or telepathy or PK is happening, and it bubbles up to the conscious mind. So in that subconscious realm, you also have deep-seated beliefs.
And those deep-seated beliefs can be things like, I want Psy to be real or I don't want Psy to be real. I will be afraid if Psy effects show up. Or I will be happy if psi effects show up, or psi is totally normal, or telepathy is totally normal, or, you know, these types of deep-seated psychological things of which we may or may not even be aware.
And this, I believe, is where it's sort of the determining factor for whether or not the anomalous effects show up. One is meaning and the other is sort of like deep psychology stuff. So one might set an intention, which is good. But the question is, is that intention actually aligned with deeper parts of your psyche? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.
That's something to sort of be aware of, work to do. The problem gets trickier too when you're talking about doing scientific investigations because the experimenters also have a subconscious mind and also have internalized belief systems and also have meaning surrounding the outcome of events and so forth.
And that can become confounds too in their ability to do things like proof studies, replications. It works both ways. So I don't know what to do about that. How do you shield against something like deep-seated belief systems having an effect on the outcome of the experiment or meaning having an effect on the outcome of the experiment? I don't know.
I think it's probably the first step, though, is just to be aware of these types of things being confounds in experiments. Intention is important. It's not the only thing going on, though.
Super interesting. It is quite a challenge to overcome that. So, but with that in mind... Do you think that we can change an outcome in the past or future with our consciousness?
Well, it seems like we can change outcomes with our consciousness somehow, outcomes in the physical world. So we can change them in the present according to the pair work and others. We look at the random number generator research, outcomes change. Can we change things in the past? Maybe. Or in the future, maybe. And here's what I mean by that.
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Chapter 7: What have scientists like Dean Radin and Robert John taught us about consciousness and reality?
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Just moving on to the Collective Consciousness app a little bit, could you explain what that is and how it works and what role it's playing in the data collection process?
The Collective Consciousness app, or Entangled as it's called, is a, it's meant to be the next stage of sci research or my interpretation of the next stage of sci research. It's a mobile app that you download. And when you do that, you're connected to a stream of quantum bits. We've got a laser setup that's producing random numbers.
And we produce random numbers at a rate of one bit per second per user. So every user on the network is flipping a quantum bit once per second, 24-7. All of this data is collected. in a way that allows us to ask questions, to pose questions to each user, and get answers. And the answers come in the form of the bits that are flipped by the users.
So let's say that we're interested in predicting an earthquake. Will there be a large earthquake happening tomorrow? Well, you can, with Entangled, you can pose that question to each user and say, if you think that there will be an earthquake tomorrow, flip the first bit of each hour. And then what we do is we collect that.
And if there's a significant effect one way or the other, we register that as a yes or no prediction. So in this way, we can advance SCI research in ways that have never been possible before in terms of its scale and in terms of its automation.
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Chapter 8: What role do intention and belief play in influencing physical systems and psi phenomena?
So what I'm calling T is basically an approach to evaluating machines and AI in terms of their ability to do telepathy, to respond to the future. Remember how we were talking about the anomalous presentiment response? It seems like biological life itself has an adaptive advantage to respond to unpredictable future events. Well, maybe the machines do too.
So can you develop a test that could evoke that possibility or assess that potential in the machine? Meaning if the AI or the machine reacts to an unpredictable future event in a way that is meaningful to it, meaning there's some sort of incentive structure, penalty or reward system, something like that, and it performs at a level equivalent to what we know of humans,
Well, then it's demonstrated something really interesting. You can have all of the computer processing power in the world, but if you can't operate telepathically like basic humans and animals can, then you're not yet sharing in that divine spark that makes us special.
But if we can develop a test that's sensitive to that, you know, a new heuristic for the new century, then we can start to this path of knowing ontologically what's really going on with the machines as they approach something like consciousness.
You know, when you think maybe 50 years in the future, though, right? I mean, we've been kind of like marred in materialism for so long. Do you think we truly are moving our way into a post-materialist paradigm in terms of science? And that we'll look back in 50, 100 years and think of the materialists hanging on with their fingernails right now will feel like flat earthers?
Dean Radin has a funny take on this. He says, first they ignore you, then they fight you, and then they say, you were right and I knew it all along. I guess what's happening is the incentive structure is changing for scientists. There's this great phrase in the Bitcoin world that says everyone gets Bitcoin at the price they deserve. So Bitcoin's been around for a long time, right?
And in the very beginning, if you were early, like if you're really innovative, you had the opportunity to buy it cheap. However, if you didn't read the white paper and you didn't understand it and you dismissed it or maybe you even attacked it, you said it's magic internet money, it'll never work, all these things.
Basically, there's an opportunity cost there for arrogance and for being too close-minded. And I think something like that is true for anomalies research in general. There's an opportunity cost for ignoring this stuff, but there's also an incentive structure for the innovative people, particularly in the academic world, to pick this stuff up.
Because the formative ideas for the next century, or however long the next phase is going to be, are developing now. There's immense opportunities for new discoveries and for new ideas and theories. And I think that's happening in the academic world right now. And we're replacing this sort of like moribund, anachronistic perspective on the world with something much more exciting.
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